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| * '''Comment''' - '''All''' the TRNC places in Misplaced Pages are written as their English (actually names that are derived from Greek or Latin) correspondence. Take Nicosia for instance, the article name is neither the Greek (Λευκωσία) nor the Turkish (Lefkoşa) name. Moreover, TRNC is very much a de-facto state (no one recognizes the authorities of TRNC but Turkey). That's why all TRNC place names are not in Turkish in Misplaced Pages. But they are indeed displayed in Turkish next to the Greek and English names (in the beginning of the articles and infoboxes). | * '''Comment''' - '''All''' the TRNC places in Misplaced Pages are written as their English (actually names that are derived from Greek or Latin) correspondence. Take Nicosia for instance, the article name is neither the Greek (Λευκωσία) nor the Turkish (Lefkoşa) name. Moreover, TRNC is very much a de-facto state (no one recognizes the authorities of TRNC but Turkey). That's why all TRNC place names are not in Turkish in Misplaced Pages. But they are indeed displayed in Turkish next to the Greek and English names (in the beginning of the articles and infoboxes). | ||
| Also, @]: I can understand that you want to push a Turkish naming agenda here, please don't. Until TRNC is recognised by the rest of the world the Turkish names will always remain de-facto. I, myself, also recognise the sovereignty of TRNC but it does not change the fact that it's a de-facto state. Also you made a careless totally destroying my nota bene! --<font style="Ubuntu: ridge 2px #FF0000; background-color: #551A8B">''' ] '''</font><sup> ]• ]• ]</sup></small> 13:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | Also, @]: I can understand that you want to push a Turkish naming agenda here, please don't. Until TRNC is recognised by the rest of the world the Turkish names will always remain de-facto. I, myself, also recognise the sovereignty of TRNC but it does not change the fact that it's a de-facto state. Also you made a careless totally destroying my nota bene! --<font style="Ubuntu: ridge 2px #FF0000; background-color: #551A8B">''' ] '''</font><sup> ]• ]• ]</sup></small> 13:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
| :Are you a State or an International Organization to recognise or not a State? BTW I did not ask from you additional arguments on your choice of name, I made a procedural question to all, especially the admins... --] (]) 14:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Disambiguation?
It seems many cities have a Varosha quarter, and the word means "city" in Hungarian (see Talk:Lovech#Varosha). How about making it a disambiguation page? --Cameltrader 20:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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This island never been Greek in history Ottoman empire allowed Greeks to live in this island thats the reason this island have Greek citizens but because of past Greek revolution in 60s and Makarios and Solmon lots of innocent cypress Turks were murdered. United Nations and UK only watched. Turkish Republic was the one of guarantor Nation others were Greece and UK but in the past, Island owners were Ottoman Empire it mean Turk , Turkish Republic want to help from UK to protect Turks who living in island but UK didnt care finally Turkish army attacked the island because of protect cypress Turks. And no one expect they can conquar Island . USA blocks selling gun to Turkish army even all of this They won the war. But world dont want to accept lots of Turks were murdered on this island if you search you can see one of Turkish army doctors family were murdered to slay I mean his wife and his little children whatever this Island were directed with cypress Greek and Turks were represented minority they were accepted this eventhough there was no solution and Turkih Republic were rights on this Island they used this right.So THERE IS NO INNOVATİON! They can live in Varosha easyly but they forbiden to protect it . I hope world search this cypress problem on lots of sources because, dont know clearly all facts and things. Turkish Republic always one of stepbrother to Eu and USA, but it's land and it's army always necessery to use from EU and USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.103.24.76 (talk) 23:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Needs sources!
This article needs sources badly, and is possibly not neutral.
"During its heyday the Varosha quarter of Famagusta was not only the number one tourist destination in Cyprus, but between 1970 and 1974 it was one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world, and was a favourite destination of wealthy, rich and famous stars such as Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, Raquel Welch and Brigitte Bardot."
Really? In a quick google search, I couldn't find any proof for those celebrities being in Famagusta at the time, nor that the place itself was such a hotspot in the 70s. All I could find was random blogs rephrasing or quoting precisely this paragraph from Misplaced Pages. It's quite a statement and thus needs to be backed up. Same for the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.16.112.153 (talk) 11:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Requested move
 | The request to rename this article to Varosha, Famagusta has been carried out.
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Marash, Famagusta → Varosha, Famagusta – The article was moved from Varosha, Famagusta to Marash, Famagusta by User:E4024 at 22:12 (GMT+1), 20 November 2012 without any discussion. This is a controversial move. I am requesting that the article be moved back to Varosha, Famagusta in line with WP:Naming Conventions until a genuine discussion has taken place. Even the move within itself is not consistent as the Turkish name of the place is Maraş (or sometimes referred as Kapalı Maraş) not Marash as suggested by User:E4024. -- Iñfẽstør 21:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
AS per above, moving the page with no discussion is unacceptable. Someone change it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.251.63.26 (talk) 22:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
(Edit conflict in indent order)
- This is the English Misplaced Pages; we do not say "İstanbul" but Istanbul, or not "Paşa" but Pasha. No conflict at all... --E4024 (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
- The change of the title from Varosha, Famagusta (11,200 hits) to Marash, Famagusta (4 hits) is unjustified and controversial. Sad to observe that E4024 is pushing an agenda, merely an attempt to Turkification of what the international community considers as occupied territory of a sovereign state. 23x2 φ 22:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
- Please do not personalize things. (Your participation in WP is more controversial due to suspected socks but that I am following separately.) Simply look at the sign board (road sign) provided in the article, in Turkish, in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus sovereign territory.... --E4024 (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
- The change of the title from Varosha, Famagusta (11,200 hits) to Marash, Famagusta (4 hits) is unjustified and controversial. Sad to observe that E4024 is pushing an agenda, merely an attempt to Turkification of what the international community considers as occupied territory of a sovereign state. 23x2 φ 22:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe that the page moving done by E4024 is POV imposing and controversial. Administrator intervention should be requested to reverse the POV imposing bad faith edit by E4024. --Car8025
- I think that that admin intervention would be necessary to remove your personal attack. What "bad faith" are you talking about, your false accusation towards me? --E4024 (talk) 23:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Its quite clear from the comments above and below whether its a bad faith edit or not. Changing an article name just like that because you consider the Turkish name as the dominant one is not what I would call a good faith edit. Besides that, I remember a few days ago when you actually considered the sources by nebilla as "perfectly sourced arguments " in the Cyprus dispute page while he/she just chose specific half sentences from sources which supported the exact opposite, to force his/her opinion on the Legality of the Turkish invasion. This was enough to understand the quality of your edits on the Cyprus problem. --Car8025 —Preceding undated comment added 23:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
- Support - From what I have seen, Varosha is prevalent in reliable English language sources.
- Comment / support. First-language English speaker here. I've read/heard of Varosha, Famagusta, but not Marash, Famagusta (or Maraş, Famagusta). 213.246.91.158 (talk) 07:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Question Before moving the page to another name, I saw no previous discussion about this issue; so made the move without hesitation, as a non-controversial issue. Once I made the move a discussion has been requested and a user (later) reverted my move. Have we discussed enough? Should we not have to wait for an uninvolved admin to close the RM discussion? I am a bit confused... --E4024 (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - All the TRNC places in Misplaced Pages are written as their English (actually names that are derived from Greek or Latin) correspondence. Take Nicosia for instance, the article name is neither the Greek (Λευκωσία) nor the Turkish (Lefkoşa) name. Moreover, TRNC is very much a de-facto state (no one recognizes the authorities of TRNC but Turkey). That's why all TRNC place names are not in Turkish in Misplaced Pages. But they are indeed displayed in Turkish next to the Greek and English names (in the beginning of the articles and infoboxes).
Also, @E4024: I can understand that you want to push a Turkish naming agenda here, please don't. Until TRNC is recognised by the rest of the world the Turkish names will always remain de-facto. I, myself, also recognise the sovereignty of TRNC but it does not change the fact that it's a de-facto state. Also you made a careless edit totally destroying my nota bene! -- Iñfẽstør 13:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Are you a State or an International Organization to recognise or not a State? BTW I did not ask from you additional arguments on your choice of name, I made a procedural question to all, especially the admins... --E4024 (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)