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Heartfelt sigh of the week:

"I find that the more this is discussed the less I care."

Arbitration Committee

You don't know me but it's impossible not to know (something about) you here. Would you consider running for the committee this time please? You've got the experience, brains and sensibility, and the latter, particularly, is badly lacking there. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 00:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Actually I was just getting here for the same reason Bish. I saw NYB's post here, and after running through a few folks I complete my journey here. I think we all know that is where you should be. You have a wonderful combination of common sense, insight, honesty, integrity and it is all tempered by such a huge heart filled with compassion. You have the time served, you've suffered the time in purgatory, you've been witness to so much history - your insight would be invaluable at Arbcom. Please consider an honest run at it? I know the history of Bishxxx humor and all - but I ask this without any intent of jokes. Please think about it? Please? — ChedZILLA 03:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for the kind words, but please see my incidental self-declaration here. Also, my wikitime is simply too limited in recent years. My wikipatience always was. Lately, Darwinbish has been dropping hints all over the place that she wants to run, but I'm frankly not sure she'd have even my vote. A suggestion: you might want to go pester User:Worm That Turned to run again this year. He's a very calm, insightful, and experienced guy, who was beaten to the post last year by a mere 0.5% by Jclemens. IMO things might have been a little different here if it had been the other way around. And, importantly, Worm doesn't seem to be as burnt-out as the rest of the universe of calm, insightful, and experienced wikipedians, such as Heimstern, Floquenbeam, MastCell. At least a year ago, he actually wanted to be an arb. Sadly, that's getting to be an increasingly rare qualification.

P.S. By the way, little zilla, I saw a similar rousing call from you to RexxS. Good idea, except he's a member of the Wikimedia UK board.. I can't imagine he'd want that many hats, and I expect there'd be an issue of propriety, too. Bishonen | talk 10:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC).

I've thought for years that you'd be perfect for the job, and still do. Mmm. I understand about the time thing, though. It's a bit of a commitment.

I thought asking MastCell would be futile, but did anyway. (No response yet.) I'd feel a bit odd approaching the Worm because, not only does he not know me, I don't know him. Hopefully someone closer to him will ask. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• I'll think about what you have said. And by the way .. I really don't care about any of the US vs. UK stuff...— ChedZILLA 14:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Since I've been mentioned, and in case anyone's wondering about me: Burnt-out-ness aside, I, like Bish, really don't have wikitime for arbitrating. I don't know how Risker does it. Wish I could, though; I criticize so much I really feel like I ought to offer my own services instead. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

What about this: you both take it on, and MastCell, and Carcharoth, and do your best with the time you have? It's got to be an improvement on the present situation, even if you have to decline a few marginal cases. My last word. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

My ears are burning, unsurprising since a certain lady knows I watch her page! Thank you for your kind comments above, I'm pretty sure I don't deserve them but I'll certainly accept them :) As to whether I'll run or not, I really haven't decided. I've gone through phases this year of really enjoying everything wikipedia and little phases of distaste for the project. I'm astounded at some of the stupidity at Arbcom, from both the cases presented and the comments made. Especially, right now, I wonder how it can turn people I respected into people who would use a request for clarification into a ban against such community uproar. Do I want to be part of that? Would I become part of the problem?

When I drive on British motorways, there are lots of idiots in the fast lane, in their fancy German cars, tailgating and acting like idiots. I would drive my Yaris and tut. Then, my dad went sailing for a month and left me his Audi to look after. I found that everything about the car encouraged that behaviour, the comfort, the power, the silence,... It all lead to me driving faster and more aggressively. Where does the line get drawn, when sensible people become idiots. Worm(talk) 20:36, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

You're very shrewd, Worm. This is a belated reply, but I've been mulling over it somewhat, and RL kept getting in the way. Power encourages aggressive driving, yeah. Mind you, some people of no special wikiposition (I'm heroically resisting linking that to a particular one-man lynch-mob I'm thinking of right now) seem able to get drunk on road-rage even while driving a Lada. Comfort and silence are hardly among the factors encouraging obliviousness on arbcom right now! Although on their own sekrit mailing list, arbs who are so inclined can always enjoy the comfort of crowding the Yarises off the road in silence/private without fear of any comeback (until there's a leak on WR or its successors, that is). I have some experience of that. All right, car metaphor breaking down… I don't drive anything myself, I'm strictly public transport + bike, and I like to think it hasn't made me any nicer! Anyway, generally speaking, users with good judgment are more likely than others to be elected to the committee, even though the selection has been known to work badly and even on occasion disastrously. (And those I will link! There's nothing new there, after all.) The majority of arbs seem well aware of the need for resisting the temptations of office, IMO. The worst part of being an arb, it seems to me, must be the culture of silence, of "never apologize, never explain", of presenting a united front — a culture that's somewhat unravelling before our eyes right now, but which was in full force when things blew up with regard to, uh, the other arb I just linked to, and which will no doubt knit itself up again. That is one of my own strongest reasons for disappointing the cheering multitude (see, two people!) who try to persuade me to run (that, and my enjoyment of being urged, and modestly pushing the crown away), not least because I've seen how it's likely to sour previous friendships. The sheer busyness plays a part there too, of course. Take me, I've had friends… and then they were arbs for a term or two… and then… well, I won't go into it. Some of them never post here any more, and perhaps wouldn't be all that welcome if they did. (But I don't mean you, Paul! You're always welcome here!) It's a shame when that happens. :-( Bishonen | talk 16:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC).

Good to know. Paul August ☎ 20:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The cardinality of the multitude would have been greater if not for the rapidity of the wet blanket with which you slapped the idea down. (Understandbly so, as ArbCom is our own version of Wiki-22 -- we don't want crazy people to be on it, but I think you'd have to be a little bit crazy to run -- a massive unpaid time sink for the privilege of nearly non-stop abuse and aggravation.)Nobody Ent 16:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) After reading his insightful comments above, I think I may vote for WTT whether he runs or not (surely there's going to be an involuntary write-in mechanism?). I also plan on writing in Bishonen, Bishzilla, and DarwinBish (all three) MastCell, and User:Immature Basophil, so that's 6 right there. I'm sure I can think of a few others who would initially refuse but could ultimately be forced at gunpoint to serve. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Let's see, there's also User:Little Stupid, User:Darwinfish, User:Bish and chips, User:Gooch, User:Bearded Burro, User:Baby Tex and User:Floquenstein's monster. Now, THAT's an arbcom! Tex (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

And little User:Chedzilla! bishzilla _ROARR!! 10:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC).

Baby Tex will fit seamlessly, for sure. Proposed finding of fact: Horsh! And guess what, Floq, I have discovered by brilliant research that there is actually a User:Cat smell, although as you can see they (ho! hum! who could it possibly be!) don't have any userpages. And dead or not, User:Catherine de Burgh (the late) will live forever in legend and in song, and deserves all our votes. Bishonen | talk 20:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC).

• I am authorised to point out that you are mistaken Mrs Bishonen. Due to the happy miracle of cryogenics and modern science, Her ladyship is restored to full health and currently cruising on her steam yacht in the Balearics. As Misplaced Pages’s constitutional monarch and official head of state, Her Ladyship will be returning in December to appoint her Arbcom and permit their ceremonial kissing of her hand. She will also be making a Christmas Eve broadcast to the people of Misplaced Pages, and announcing her New Year’s honours list. Vera Corpus (Miss) (talk) 08:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, Miss Corpus, I suppose in a way that's good news, but… are you saying that User:Ka of Catherine de Burgh is no longer active? :-( That's tragic. Bishonen | talk 09:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC).

That's good news indeed. I always thought the ceremony of kissing Lady Catherine's hand much more salubrious than the sight of the newly-appointed arbitrators lining up to kiss Jimbo's ring. --Famously Sharp (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm feeling a little more positive towards it at least, perhaps you have turned me! I've got some real life bits and bobs happening, it may affect things - but overall, I probably will run. I've heard the downsides, and I think I can handle them. Worm(talk) 11:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thats very nice to know, Mr Worm, and I sure Her Ladyship will be very pleased to appoint you to be 2nd Wikipedian. As for you, Mrs Bishonen, I can assure you that Her Ladyship is very active indeed, but now that she's head-of-state and 1st Wikipedian, you can't expect her to descend and post on pages such as yours - allthough I beleive you did have regretable dealings with the previous, unfortunate incumbent of that high office - you may, however, post on her page and she may find the time to address you in audience. Vera Corpus (Miss) (talk) 11:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

• Why thank you Miss Corpus, though I do not expect Her Ladyship to concern herself with the likes of me. Indeed, I am personally hoping that she will time the unveiling her reanimated cadaver, the zenith of the social dilettante, to coincide with the Mayan apocalypse, whenceforth she can rule the encyclopedia with an iron fist. However, in general, my personal wishes do not come to fruition, so perhaps there will be difficulties. Worm(talk) 12:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

• Got it, Miss Corpus, the Ladyship is active. Spiffing, but I meant, what about the Ka? I fear this means we've lost her ? :-( Bishonen | talk 12:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC).

I feel this is my territory rather than that of Miss Corpus, who should not be opining on Her Ladyship’s spiritual matters. In fact, Miss Corpus should confine herself to her secretarial duties and her typewriter. At the court of Lady Catherine, we all have our areas of expertise and Miss Corpus should stick to hers limited though that is. On the subject of Her Ladyship’s Ka that belongs to the paranormal, and where the paranormal and Her Ladyship are concerned nothing must ever be presumed or assumed because both are likely to rear up behind you when you least expect it. Something Miss Corpus would do well to remember if she keeps interfering into my responsibilities and attempting to ingratiate herself with Lady Catherine. Rev Dr Augustus Deepthought (talk) 12:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure the Reverend Doctor knows his stuff, but it is most likely that the ka will have been reincorporated in Her Ladyship in order to revive her. If Imhoptep is anything to go by I think you should worry more that she'll be after various organs to replace those placed in canopic jars. I'm not sure all this zombie stuff is what we expect of the aristocracy anyway, they normally have the good grace to stay dead unless their resurrection is required for a ludicrous storyline in Downton Abbey. Yomangani 13:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, your duties seem remarkably diverse, Reverend Doctor, though I note you're edit-warring to conceal the fact. Perhaps Miss Corpus and Imhoptep are more reliable sources. Bishonen | talk 13:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC).

1. But I hope nobody who frequents this page is capable of the stupidity of supposing I'm referring to Malleus Fatuorum.

Your proposed motion

I have removed your proposed motion, as only arbitrators may propose motions. If you wish to suggest a way forward to the arbitrators, I suggest you make a statement instead. --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

? I have not proposed a motion. That was RegentsPark. I merely called for a clerk to remove it. That was sarcasm. Bishonen | talk 13:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC).

tb. - Sitush (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Well that was very careless of me not to check the history more thoroughly. --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 14:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Mmmmm..... yes. Bishonen | talk 14:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC).

Opinion?

Hi.

Can I ask your opinion about this, if you're interested? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Hm. Mmmmm. OK. Aren't you sorry you asked? Bishonen | talk 18:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC).

(P.S. Don't know what happened with the two saves. I seem to have got an edit conflict with myself.)

Not yet. I like having my mind changed. Answered there. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 18:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

More insipid than casual

Regarding the following text:

This user loves the sound of their own voice. You probably think that if you ignore them they might eventually shut up, but you reckon without their inflated sense of their own importance.

Inconveniently, the English language no longer provides its users with gender-neutral, singular pronouns. While the regal we, us, and ours might be applied to comedic effect, the pronouns they, them, and their are exclusively plural. As you have indicated you are on something of a vacation, I have ginned up some grammatically-correct options:

This user loves the sound of his own voice. Those who expect to win another's silence by ignoring him will be disappointed by this user's inflated sense of self-importance.

This user loves the sound of his own voice. Those who expect to win this user's silence by ignoring him fail to account for his inflated sense of self-importance.

This user loves the sound of his own voice. Anyone expecting to win this user's silence by ignoring him fails to account for this user's inflated sense of self-importance.

Patronanejo (talk) 12:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You're mistaken, they, them and their are not exclusively plural. They were once, but they aren't now. Is it a rule that they're exclusively plural? No. Who says they are? Not the grammarians. Ignorant schoolteachers who formed their notions on the matter long ago, possibly. It's a pity that many people seem to get their notions of "grammar rules" from that class of schoolteachers (who are in the minority, I'm sure). They, them and their may not be ideal for referring to a single person of no specified gender, but they're what we've got. Going back to privileging the masculine pronoun would be regress. In this case, since I'm myself of a determinate gender (female) it would be positively weird if the {{User:Yomangani/Gabby}} template on my userpage called me "he". If you'd like to subst it and edit it to refer to a "she", be my guest, I've no objection. Bishonen | talk 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC).

To bluntly put it: neither me or Bish follow the rules that 18th-century grammarians came up with. Yomangani 13:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

i believe you might mean "neither Bish nor I".... apologies for the intrusion. kc15:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe he didn't, Killer. Are you not used to the Yoman's manner of making a point in a way that's suitable to the occasion? Note the strange word order, too: "To bluntly put it". (Though perhaps indeed he did mean to say "the rules up with which 18th-century grammarians came.")Bishonen | talk 15:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC).

Thank you for the invitation, but I'm not that fanatical--I was compelled to visit by a mention in Encylopaedia Dramatica. By no means am I going to impose my will on another's user page, but by no means am I mistaken. This is not a matter of pedantry, or an anachronistic refusal to accept language as a fluid medium. I have no objection to the casual use of the object pronoun me in place of the subject pronoun I (as Yomangani does above), but its opposite--the use of the subject pronoun Iin place of the object pronoun me--is insipid-sounding and wrong, no matter how many times you hear people trying to make themselves appear smarter than they are.

Although schoolteachers who know the difference may well be in the minority, they are not the ignorant ones--you've got it completely backwards. Treating the pronouns they, them, and their as though they were singular is not even acceptable on the pages of USA Today.

However, you deserve an apology for my inability to determine whether your username indicated a male- or female user--ignorance is ignorance.Patronanejo (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Patronanejo, following the Misplaced Pages has an article on everything principle... Misplaced Pages has an article on this phenomenon, singular they. Perhaps you'll find it interesting, even if you do find it insipid. Worm(talk) 13:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

"inability to determine whether your username indicated a male- or female" is a damn fine case for using singular "they".  pablo 15:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not especially keen on singular they in formal writing, but it's generally accepted in common speech, and a userbox is common speech. Even the Chicago manual seems in agreement with its use in common speech (which is admittedly hardly the province of the Chicago manual). Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Shakespeare is also in agreement with the singular use. Bishonen | talk 12:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC).

Along with Jane Austen and William M. Thackery. August company, indeed. KillerChihuahua 15:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, it wasn't the province of Chicago until Chicago had the bizarre idea of getting some "language maven" who has only a hazy notion of English grammar to utter on English grammar. (See this.) Still, even the hapless Garner gets some things right. ¶ No, the place to look is the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, which points out that singular they has been with us since Middle English. ¶ To anyone who continues to bleat that they is necessarily plural and he is sex-neutral, try asking (i) how it is that the extension of a term that normally has plural reference to include singular is grammatically (or logically or whatever) more heinous than the extension of a term that normally has male reference to include female, and (ii) about the acceptability of "Ask your father or your mother if he would like a ticket for the concert." -- Hoary (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

As ever rules are more subtle than the grammarians give them credit: in that case the construct would be "either of them" for singular and "they" for plural. Nonetheless singular they left the English language and returned, and now can be used carefully where needed. Rich Farmbrough, 04:40, 2 November 2012 (UTC).

Reciprocity

Bishonen,

Please leave a warning against SM for his personal attacks or stay off my page. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:20, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Your removal of a post to your page by Scott Macdonald where he undertakes never to post on your page again with the edit summary "Don't post here again" demonstrates your battleground mentality in a nice little nutshell, KW. As for me, do not be concerned; I'll only post on your page again if I have a block message to give you, not for any other purpose. Of course you will reciprocally stay off mine. Won't you? Bishonen | talk 23:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC).

I've had no interest in you since your last accusations that I and Lihaas were supporting the Sverigedemokraterna, and you in fact suggested a mutual interaction ban, which you violated by posting more ... oh how should I say this, ..., oh ,,,Bishonenisms. I trust you can supply the diff

ScottMacdonald wrote personal attacks. If he wishes to uphold civility, then he

To answer your question, I repeat that I've no interest in you, and if you stop the questions and snide comments, I'll certainly resume the no interaction ban you originally proposed, and which I've kept. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I guess a polite suggestion didn't impress you. Perhaps you'll understand this language: don't post on my page again. Bishonen | talk 12:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC).

Harumph!

Just saw this. What am I, chopped liver? Tex (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

You're Bishzilla's friend. But seriously, you haven't been around much, have you? Bishonen | talk 15:49, 29 October 2012 (UTC).

I'm usually lurking in the background somewhere. However, RL things happening at the moment may lead to me being gone for good soon. I'll e-mail ya later. I was just hoping for more friends to come by and say hello since you were feeling lonely or something. Tex (talk) 12:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

(*disengages cloaking device*) I'll come by and say hello. "Hello, Bish! Hello Tex!" (*re-engages cloaking device*) --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Floq!  :) Tex (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Well despite all the hints, I'm not leaving. I'd have spoken up sooner, but I only just got back from two days in London, training and interviewing. I'll bring you a present later. --RexxS (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Shaukat Ali Abdul Ghafoor (2nd nomination)

Hey, Bishonen, just FYI: I deleted the page per author request (and G11, really) and closed the AfD, but I'ma pass on salting it myself, at least for now. It's only been made twice since 2010, so unless he re-creates it again, I don't think it's a huge deal. Your thoughts? EDIT: hmmm, although now that I look at it, it's pretty much the same stuff that was deleted from the first AfD... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, no, I expect you're right. I don't feel strongly at all about salting it. I just thought since the subject isn't notable, there's zero chance of a sensible (non-vanity) article ever being written about it. But I understand from the history that the author removed a speedy template from the article. Hopefully we'll be able to simply speedy it if it should come back a third time. Bishonen | talk 21:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC).

Alternative

As an Ent who is always looking for opportunities to improve his cleverness, do you have a preferred synonym/replacement/enhancement for the time honored "rope" concept? Nobody Ent 02:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, no, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Now look what you've done, you've made me use a cliché to counter yours. Have you studied the case of Penyulap? The idea of setting him up and then lying in wait for missteps is crass in and of itself. The particular problem with using the metaphor of "enough rope" is that it's an attempt to dress up an unattractive idea in a would-be clever and colourful metaphor. There are too many "time-honoured" concepts knocking about Misplaced Pages, handily enshrined in essay shortcuts and offering a cheap sheen to thoughtless discourse. The popular, perhaps once witty, "Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass comes to mind. Funny how often there's a dimension of violence involved, but that's a thought for another day. Bishonen | talk 10:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

Quite independently (because I've only just noticed these discussions...) I've just started writing a little essay on the and other contradictions on wikipedia. User:Worm That Turned/Contradictions Worm(talk) 11:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying Penyulap's tpa should have not been restored? Nobody Ent 11:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

(Ha, did you skip over my first sentence on Elen's page to get to the bit where you saw your name?) I'm unsure about restoring it without also unblocking. Actually, I wanted to make a pitch for unblocking instead, but.. well, there's been a hitch, not of a nature I want to spread around, sorry. Anyway, what I principally wanted to say on Elen's page comes in the last sentence, directed at Elen and hopefully noticeable even though I put it meekly: Pen should definitely not now have tpa easily or hastily disabled again. And any enable/disable cycle should fucking not be used as an argument against ever unblocking him, either. NE, I'm not sure you shouldn't have let this stay on Elen's page, as it inevitably involves her actions and declarations. Never mind, I expect she'll see this. Bishonen | talk 14:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

'tis the season

Of course you didn't say that, I was making a rhetorical point. What I observed is two editors I respect (RF and Elen) apparently stuck in an interaction that neither of them seemed to be enjoying and appeared to have a straightforward solution. I used the existing rope essay as shorthand for the concept that unblocks are cheap and no lasting harm to Misplaced Pages would occur if it turned out not to work.You have a valid point about the etymology of the phrase being sketchy; unfortunately WP:UNBLOCKS ARE CHEAP is redlinked and I don't have wikitime to write it today. I don't understand why folks are so concerned about blocked users posting on their talk page -- except for abuse of the unblock template the only way they can disrupt WP is if folks are stalking their talk page. Nobody Ent 16:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Some food for thought for all of you, - you played a good part in the title story ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• Bishonen, I'd really rather you didn't contact me about Penyulap (or any other user for that matter) again. It seems from your comments above that you've drawn me into this whole thing on false pretences, and your aim all along was to get Penyulap unblocked. While you must act in whatever way strikes you as right, please don't involve me again. Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't understand what you mean by the false pretences or my aim all along. It hasn't been my aim all along. I only lit on the notion that it was time to try an unblock three days ago. (And unlit from it the next day, because of an e-mail I received.) How did I draw you in, anyway? By getting RFAR'd by Jc37? I didn't do that on purpose, though I certainly appreciated the interest you showed in that case. But as you like, of course. Bishonen | talk 17:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

Given that I've now got you AND Rich having a go at me on my talkpage, is it any surprise that I'm not exactly overenthused. Elen of the Roads (talk) 18:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• • I'm not sure that Arbs get to request no-interacts. I certainly got slapped down for doing so.
  • Neither Bish not I were "having a go" simply pointing out that you seemed to been a little overenthusiastic in blocking, not for the first time.

Rich Farmbrough, 18:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

Subtle as an air raid, Rich. If you and Bish ever feel like apologising for your attack of ABF which, I have to say, really upset me when I read it, I'm sure I'll accept it graciously. Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Again I don't see where we assumed bad faith. I pointed out that what you saw as trolling clearly wasn't. And I said it is bloody hard work to get you to change your mind. If I had assumed bad faith I would have chosen a different venue than your talk page. I am sorry you are upset, though if you have trouble with people questioning your admin decisions, then you have chosen the wrong project to be an admin on. Rich Farmbrough, 04:33, 2 November 2012 (UTC).

So I guess I'm not being trolled on Penyulap's talkpage currently. I must be imagining it. Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I advised you to stop watching that page. Not the first time you have ignored my advice. Rich Farmbrough, 02:19, 3 November 2012 (UTC).

I couldn't believe you'd speak to me the way you did, Elen, after we've been good friends for years — I could feel my eyes widening as I took in your words on the screen. Perhaps it's the nature of the Internet, but it's still quite hurtful. My original post on your page (aka 'having a go at you'), apparently came at a bad time. That's a pity, but I still can't make out that it was other than mild in itself (certainly mild w r t you). Your accusations against me of deception and plotting are made out of beaten egg white and temper and bathetic wikipedia jargon ("ABF"). Anyway. This is your third post on my page after you asked me not to contact you any more, on the ground that I'd 'shown my hand' about my 'false pretences' etc. I think you're done here.

Originally I had composed a much more satisfying comment in my head, just seven words long, but, being born in a cold climate, I decided not to post it. You are an old friend, after all. Thanks for the good times, happy editing, good luck in the arbcom elections. Now sod off from my page. Bishonen | talk 02:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC).

A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks for your friendly gesture, but I haven't been able to do anything for Penyulap. I'm not hungry. Bishonen | talk 22:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC).

Cake

Some cake for you. Because I thought maybe you would like some cake. And I wanted to give you some. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you little Heim. Bishonen is in a terminal sulk, but I'll graciously have it. Pity to let it go to waste. Next time please put cake directly on my page. darwinbish 15:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC).

Request that topic ban be lifted

Hi Bishonen,

I've made a request that the topic ban be lifted . I hope I can count on your support. NinaGreen (talk) 17:57, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not getting involved with that in either direction. I wasted enough of my life with the events surrounding the original RFAR:SAQ. Bishonen | talk 20:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC).

Thanks

Thanks for the note about the alternative account and for the offer to adopt it. I'm going to decline, though, because I don't use alternative accounts. I've seen you around, too, and appreciate the good work your doing. I like your user name, too. I monitor mostly pseudoscience and fringe articles for POV pushing, and also keep an eye on LGBT related articles, especially those dealing with fringe groups. I look forward to working together with you in the future. Thanks for your help on the ACL article! Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 11:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. People who "monitor pseudoscience and fringe articles for POV pushing" are the unsung heroes of Misplaced Pages, IMO. (I can't face doing very much of it myself; I only checked out the ACL because I saw it mentioned on ANI a while ago.) Bishonen | talk 12:05, 10 November 2012 (UTC).

P.S. Hey, don't edit war! You'll be in trouble, especially now that I've reported Zaalbar to WP:AN3. Bishonen | talk 12:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC).

Roger, wilco! Thanks for the tip. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Bishy, did you get my e-mail about Rschen?--YOLO Swag (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

? No. I've got an e-mail from you fairly recently, but nothing like that. Don't quite see why you'd e-mail me about that editor, either... (and I'm not especially interested in discussing him/her, on or off wiki). Did you mean to put some other name above? I've e-mailed you, anyway. Check your mail. :-) Bishonen | talk 00:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC).

Sorry it was about Dengero. I replied to you a few days ago about some IRC evidence I uncovered. I'm not sure if you received it....--YOLO Swag (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

My Talk

I know the way of spelling of defense to defence, although, the we usually use the word defense mostly, but thanks for bringing it up!--GoShow (............................)

Safely past the danger timeline

... and you squeak by once again. You realize, of course, that I'll eventually win one way or another and that your hat will end up in that ring?  :-) — Coren  20:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Bish for arbcom! Bish for WMF chair! Bish for President! Bish for Archbishop of Canterbury! (Ok, maybe that last one is a bit much).--Scott Mac 20:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

May as well get started early

Please consider announcing your candidacy for the 2013 elections. The earlier the better, so I have time to set up and raise money for a SuperPAC. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The Archbish of Canterbury

Darwinbish takes all the compliments to herself, since she at least did offer to stand for arbcom, in tandem with her twin. She graciously offers her ring to be kissed, and is inspired to create a sock of her own,User:Archbish, to run in the 2013 election and evade Bishonen's schoolmarmish ban of the twins from wikipedia space.

• I have been commanded by Her ladyship to point out that while Lady Catherine admires your fortitude and energy, Her ladyship is concerned that you may be taking too much upon yourself and it may be detrimental to your health. Remember, Misplaced Pages already has a first lady and it would be such a pity if you were to unwittingly tread on toes and in so doing find yourself in hospital – again! Her ladyship implores you to remember your poor, frail state and leave these weightier matters to her younger and wiser head. Vera Corpus (Miss) (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, she had a head transplant? Bishonen | talk 21:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC).

I'd also have my doubts as to whether the esteemed lady in question (whom I assume adheres to the Church of England), would approve of one of her own delicate gender being installed on the throne of St Augustine. Of course, were her gracious majesty to enthrone a dinosaur as Primate of All England, this may prove somewhat less of an innovation.--Scott Mac 22:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed, Lady Catherine does adhere to rights and beliefs of the Church of England; however, Her Ladyship does feel that the church has somewhat lost its way. This is not so much because Her Ladyship disapproves of female bishops merely some of those aspiring to such high office. Most of whom Her Ladyship feels would benefit from a trip to the hairdresser and a little advice from a make-up artist and stylist. It is inconceivable to Her ladyship that those wishing to appearing the wedding photographs of others should not be an ornament to the occasion. Regarding the Archbishopric of Canterbury, as personal chaplain, confessor and spiritual adviser to Her Ladyship, I do feel I have the experience to take on the role and most humbly submit my name; that I would have to escape forego Her Ladyships gracious employment, over-patronage and proximity to Miss Corpus would be a heavy cross to bear, but one I would gladly suffer for the nation. In fact, I have already already selected our first lady bishops – such a dear, happy and joyous little band whom Lady Catherine has agreed to groom and polish to perfection. Rev Dr Augustus Deepthought (talk) 11:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Excuse I for butting in on this lovely little conversation but the Reverend needs to improve Weavers' windows as fast as a wombat drinks at a coolabah, or emus will kick his dunny door down, and Potoroos and Pademelons will take over his top paddock.--Shirt58 (talk) 14:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Where have you been?

Hey Bishy, I have been waiting for your input on the IRC evidence I uncovered before dropping the potential bombshell. Please take a look if you have time. Thanks!--YOLO Swag (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Boney. I could have sworn I mentioned IRC in my message of November 18, but I misremembered. :-( I've got to go, I'll write to you tomorrow. Short answer, though: no. Bishonen | talk 22:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC).

ANI

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Bishonen. --213.168.72.45 (talk) 18:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• KillerChihuahua 21:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Puppy not want take cosy nap in snug pocket? :-( bishzilla _ROARR!! 23:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC).
    • Nice Wolfie will accept cuddle in little killerdog's stead; offers share of yummy mammoth bone (acquired at recent Mammoth Sale). Pesky (talk) 12:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Puppy chews up "wolfie"s mammoth bone and spits it out, then jumps in well-earned pocket and curls up with the pocket fluff, various members of ArbCom, and random treats. KillerChihuahua 15:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC).

Wolfie grins in delight, having already saved the lion's share for 'zilla. The lion was not impressed by this, but having caught sight of wolfie's teeth and IQ, decided that discretion was the better part of valour, and agreed that 'zilla could have his share.

Wolfie subsequently invites Crippen round for breakfast ... it's so nice to have a friend for breakfast Pesky (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Wolfie adds, whilst pinning Crippen under humungous Wolfie-paw and administering forcible shlurpy faced-wash, that people (human, canine or otherwise) will neiver fwetten nor fwiten Wolfie's 'zilla, else dire and dretful fings might happen, such as bath, or seeing vet. And vet might choose to administer correction normally reserved for admins, i.e. having "bits" removed. ;P Wolfie hopes all is now clear, Wolfie being 'zilla's self-appointed bodyguard. Pesky (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Information

I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 08:37, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not aware of having ever commented in an arbcom discussion regarding civility, MyStrat, in fact you're embarrassing me in front of my friends by saying that. I've been uncivil, yes, if that was what you meant (even though Darwinbish nowadays takes care of most of my requirements in that way). Diffs on request. Bishonen | talk 13:20, 29 November 2012 (UTC).

I am no beacon of civility, and I've made far too many mistakes. However, asking you to add your voice to the questionnaire is not a mistake. It would be a shame if a policy formed without the weight of your input. Though I understand how naive it is to place confidence in positive change around here. But I am still a bit naive, and often overly optimistic, as you are likely aware. With esteem, My76Strat (talk) 13:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

You need a new userbox, Bish. "This user has been accused of participating in a discussion about civility, but vehemently denies it". --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

And here I was hoping somebody would request the diffs..! (Being too modest to offer them unasked.) Bishonen | talk 14:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC).

Hey, I was busy on Skype! I can't do everything all at once! But now that I'm free, diffs, please! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:36, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, I recently referred to a poetic effusion in a voter guide as miserable doggerel. And this personal attack was taken to ANI here. (Hardly fair, per other things exist. Who's up for hauling Darwinbish before ANI for her latest template User:Darwinbish/anonymouscoward?) Bishonen | talk 20:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC).

I had no need to ask; my favorite diff is handily located right in your block log. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Really? I can't think what that would be. If you mean the massive penis thing, that was just a warning — not a block. Bishonen | talk 20:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC).

• I think My76Strat was referring to the recent ArbCom motion regarding Elen of the Roads. Kurtis (talk) 19:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
  • (Hi there, Kurtis, I like your voter guide.) Well, maybe he was, but surely that motion is one of the rare recent things which has nothing at all to do with civility. Pretty much unique in that way, really. Bishonen | talk 20:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC).
    • Thank you so much! =)

Actually, I think it does sort of pertain to civility, as it stemmed from the whole kerfuffle with Jclemens and Malleus. The former is actively campaigning against those who did not support banning the latter, and he's taking a pretty aggressive tone in doing so. But then again, it's only tangentially related and has more to do with respect for privacy than anything. Kurtis (talk) 20:56, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, everything pertains to it in that sense. You could say civility is the Kevin Bacon of Misplaced Pages. Nowadays few of our threads have more than one or two degrees of separation from it. Bishonen | talk 21:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC).

"fishy"

Replied on my page. Diff works for me - use 'find' for "fishy". Or do same on Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard.

As I said when I posted the diff on the page: I said "fishy" aurora because I couldn't remember the exact quote which was "fishy odor". So when I posted the diff, I quoted "fisher odor". Please read my post on that page where I gave the diff for your .

Hope this helps you out. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 14:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

p.s. It is a diff in the "usual sense" but to a permalinked page. A permalink is just a diff to specific version of the page, in case that version gets archived or deleted or something. Best, MathewTownsend (talk) 14:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

That's not what "diff" means. See Help:Diff. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

well, whatever the right terminology this **** (which is called a diff on the page: (diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)) goes to the page. If you use 'find' for "fishy", the referenced comment using "fishy odor" can be found. So I used this to give a citation for the tag. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

p.s. the complete sentence is "No doubt the fishy odor would remain throughout Elen's next term, should she win another, providing a useful reminder to her that bright lines are bright lines even when they're painted in stupid places." MathewTownsend (talk) 21:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• Northern krill (wears flat cap and drinks Newcastle Brown Ale) says
• "Don't mess with Little 'Shonen
• or Fishy twins will come and get you"

Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)