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Link, Hero of Wind 01:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Dystopian Fiction

Yes, that sounds like a good idea to me, and I'll probably assist with subcategorizing the articles as well. Beno1000 14:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

===>Oh well I noticed that it was to be done, and took it upon myself to do it. If "Myself, and possibly someone else, will be going over those again eventually, which really just made twice the work for everyone in the end," that's probably the sort of thing you want to mention on the talk page or somesuch, or else I wouldn't have moved them all myself. If you don't fix it, I will. C'est la vie. Same thing is true of the bot - I have no idea if it exists or is doing its job properly. I came, I saw, I recategorized. -Justin (koavf), talk 12:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Band templates

Just wanted to say you've done a great work categorizing these and increasing my workload! Circeus 01:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Categorization

If Misplaced Pages:Categorization guideline is any hint, we want to use only the most specific cat. navigational templates should probably be divided by subject (while a division by type such as footer/series/other) is possible, they would way too big categories. Circeus 12:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Standardization

For the most part, I only merge the discography stuff, clean up some links and implement a standard style and colors (for articles that are not band templates stricto sensu, I use the genric footer style with #ccccff). Your Leeb-Fulber thing looks okay, if a bit big, but I guess that's to be expected in that case... Circeus

Album infobox

I've thought about it, it just seems as if we're getting bogged down trying to think about every possible permutation of artist/type/chronology, etc. Do you think it might be easier to make 'artist' and 'chronology_artist' two independently declarable parameters? And maybe we could provide a means to let users type in for themselves "Soundtrack to the film Wonderwall by George Harrison", or whatever? Flowerparty? 02:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops, didn't mean to post this in two places :) Flowerparty? 03:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I dunno where you took this thread to, but since I'm here I'd like to support that idea. Space for example is by Jimmy Cauty aka Space, but it's unlikely that if he releases any more albums they would use that moniker. It would in that instance be preferable to be able to assign the value "Jimmy Cauty" to 'chronology_artist' whilst retaining "Space" as the artist. (Sorry I can't at this ungodly hour think of a better example - i.e. someone who actually has more than 1 album!- but I'm pretty sure there are examples out there :)). --kingboyk 07:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Template talk:Album infobox - something of a backwater, alas. It's the same deal with Frank Zappa LPs, some of which are credited as being with the Mothers of Invention, but all of which should have a "Frank Zappa chronology". Flowerparty☀ 11:48, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

What about moving this discussion to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Albums? Jogers (talk) 12:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Cat sorting

I'm not sure I agree with the way you're sorting those Peel recordings. If you look at Category:Peel Sessions recordings it looks like some of the titles have just been assigned a letter at random, since there's nothing to explain that they're sorted by artist. Best to sort by the title of the LP, IMO.

On an unrelated note, I've left another comment at Template talk:Album infobox. Apologies for not replying to your last message there for a couple of days, I needed to think. I hoped someone else might have commented by now - it's frustrating waiting for feedback, no? :) Flowerparty? 02:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Replied

...at User_talk:Kingboyk#Yeah.2C_about_that... no need for a further reply, although of course if you have one it's welcome! --kingboyk 07:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

No image history

It's on the Commons. ed g2s • talk 12:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Erasure singles

GAH! Don't tell me there's a different single infobox template! *sigh* Ah well, I know better - I should have checked before I started all of this. Well, the info is all there, if you're really feeling motivated, feel free to update the infoboxes and add any edits. I'm really just writing very basic stuff so far. Good luck with the older singles search! -- eo 04:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to remember where I got that infobox template... I guess I just swiped it from an article I came across earlier today. And yes, the U.S. tracklistings need to be added... I have a mixture of US/UK singles in my personal collection so once I get all the song articles created I'll go back and tweak stuff. Most of the time the US versions just mash together the same stuff that the UK record companies spread out over multiple discs. -- eo 05:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Dark Tower

Good add about the illustrators, thanx. I only have one book the rest I did as audiobook. ;) -- RevRagnarok 13:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The KLF

Hi. We're discussing how to proceed with chronicling The KLF's singles over at Category talk:The KLF, and we would welcome your input. The issues we have are: a) do we document all of the singles, or just the biggest hits and otherwise especially notable songs? b) how will we do the chronology when some of our articles (e.g. What Time Is Love?) cover more than one single, and when some of them don't have articles. User:Vinoir has suggested a new footer template, I've been thinking of substing and hacking the infobox. A third party's contributions would be very helpful. Cheers. --kingboyk 06:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Singles, the next step

Hi there... not sure what you mean about "completionist" singles. Isn't a single a single? Regarding your Pet Shop Boys plans: besides going through their singles discography in chronological order, what other singles would there be?
FYI: Not sure if you have a copy... or whether it is even valid to use as a source... but the Alternative B-side compilation has a Q&A interview with Tennant and Lowe that gives a lot of insight and background info on all the singles and their B-sides. -- eo 23:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

OK I see what you mean now. I'm wondering, however, if it would make sense to just do a full singles discography set of articles because of the collectibility of PSB in particular. I'm thinking this also based on this text from their main article:

The vast array of Pet Shop Boys remixes have made them one of the most collectible bands in the world. Collectors relish the assortment of triple-vinyl limited editions, unique artwork sleeves, and multiple compact disc singles...

PSB seem to fall into that singles-completist category with artists like Depeche Mode, Erasure, Bjork, New Order, Smiths, etc., etc. What do you think? -- eo 13:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Sure, didn't know they were being listed there. For the by nationality category, though, the only thing I would say is that Misplaced Pages does actually have a pretty explicit rule against applying a category to articles or categories before it actually exists; whenever you do get around to it, you can slap it on wherever it needs to go, but there's a pretty explicit rule against letting a redlinked category sit on an article for much more than a few minutes. But knowing that, next time I'll go the next step myself :-) Bearcat 06:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Those album infobox TfDs

It may be a good idea to convert the articles using the templates before we list them for deletion. I'll do it soon.

I fixed the problem on my talk page by making the artist parameter optional. Thanks for pointing this out. Jogers (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I would just convert the articles using the obsolete Template:Kalnoky album infobox and then redirect it to the Template:Album infobox. This is what I did about Template:Various artists album infobox. The templates we are talking about are obviously redundant and are not widely used so I wouldn't worry too much about procedures.

We could still use Category:Various artists albums without the template but personally I don't find it very useful. Jogers (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Various artist albums

Just because they can't be found in albums by artist categories like other albums. --Easyas12c 07:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Song infobox

So I admit I kind of lost interest in this infobox for a while, but I'm thinking it's still worth implementing, at least for songs that aren't singles. Do you have any specific objection to this moving into the template namespace? If not, I'd welcome any further feedback you might have, particularly with respect to anything that might be difficult to fix once the template is in use in articles. Flowerparty☀ 19:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

template cats

Your system looks good, though I'd probably have used a little less categories (categories with less than 20 or so elements are practically useless). You might want to group the countr navigational boxes under a "navigational boxes by region" cat, which can receive supra-national stuff. Note that templates like {{Italianmusic}} already have a specific: they are called Musicboxes.

It's generally more practical to split a category that is too large than tostart by ategorizing into small units. 23:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Indeed, if I categorized these, I would use "musicboxes" for the country-specific ones (in adition to the appropriate country cat)
• Right now, I'd leave the country-based cats where they are, if only to avoid moving them too far back in the category three, as they are relatively recent creations. You can always put them both in the continent and region cat. (a are case of exception for me, as I usually spendmy time removing such cases lol)
• As I said above, I'd sort em in the broader cat for now and then see whether a split of some sortis appropriate. Templates can be much harder to sort sensibly, as there are so many different types. I ended up removing quite a few infoboxes from the country-based nav. templates. Circeus 15:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Album infobox advanced usage documentation at WikiProject Albums

How do you like an idea of splitting the advanced usage information into a seperate section like this? Jogers (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)