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Fl review page

I left a question for you at the review page. --TIAYN (talk) 08:43, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Seriously.

Your issues on Latin Grammy Award for Best Singer-songwriter Album and Bruno Mars discography were fixed and capped by you over a month ago, with no further comments from you. Statυs (talk) 04:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

And your point is....? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we're gonna need some new FL directors since the current ones aren't doing their jobs. Statυs (talk) 14:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I wouldn't close either of those, for the same reason I expect TRM is not doing so. The Grammy Award has two supports and no opposes (at least 3 is expected at FLC), while Bruno Mars has three supports and a possibly actionable oppose. Neither are ready to be promoted, and TRM generally doesn't post supports (so that he can still close the nomination when the time comes?). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• I am aware that 3 supports are expected at FLC. You can understand my frustration when issues were raised and fixed, and several users never left their support or oppose. One of them being a director, and another someone very involved in FLC. As for the Bruno Mars, the oppose is inactionable; the user in question has been taken to ANI two times in the past month for making personal attacks against myself and several other users. All of his issues were fixed, apart from his dislike of the word "atop", which isn't a reason to oppose an FLC. Statυs (talk) 15:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I can understand your frustration, but you could always seek more input from other editors within relevant Wikiprojects, for example, that's what other editors have done whose nominations have stalled. And yes, Crisco1492, I very rarely support lists for the reason you've given. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:50, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my comment came off a bit harsh. You supported a previous FLC of mine, and hadn't noticed that it's rare you do. My aplogies. I generally don't like canvassing for comments, but I guess at your suggestion I will. Statυs (talk) 00:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Or perhaps others will be driven to review your noms if you review theirs? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• I don't know what's worse, the fact that you had to use ANI and previous incidents as an excuse to call my oppose unactionable (whereas the oppose is based on the list's poor writing), or your spelling of the word. Till 10:24, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

POTD

I appreciate your concerns with regards to the POTD scheduling process, but I would like to point out that you are attempting to add a lot of process to something which has been fairly informal over the years. And this is fine, as long as you are willing to be the one to administer it. I have no problem stepping aside as informal POTD director if you want to fill that role, but what I don't appreciate is someone creating more work and then leaving others to do it. So if you want to set up something to ensure that only images used in high-quality articles are scheduled, keep track of the ones that are skipped, and set up a formal request process like TFAR, then by all means have at it. I realize that reading this it probably comes off as snippy, and I don't intend to create a "If it's not by my rules, then I'm not playing" kind of tone, but doing POTD and OTD both daily is quite a bit of work for me and I'm not particularly eager to do more. Regards, —howcheng {chat} 17:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, the concerns need to be addressed one way or another and if that results in you packing it all in then that's your choice. That's why I'm trying to formulate an RFC, to see how best to go forward with it. In the meantime, I suggest you simply select better articles for POTD, and avoid stubs and articles plastered with maintenance tags, and definitely avoid articles in which the blurbs you create are unreferenced. This is an encyclopedia, not a gallery. If editors want just images to be promoted on the main page with no consideration to the encyclopedic content of an article, Commons is the place for that. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

JSTOR

Hi there. You're one of the first 100 people to sign up for a free JSTOR account via the requests page. We're ready to start handing out accounts, if you'd still like one.

JSTOR will provide you access via an email invitation, so to get your account, please email me (swallingwikimedia.org) with...

• the subject line "JSTOR"
• your English Misplaced Pages username
• your preferred email address for a JSTOR account

The above information will be given to JSTOR to provide you with your account, but will otherwise remain private. Please do so by November 30th or drop me a message to say you don't want/need an account any longer. If you don't meet that deadline, we will assume you have lost interest, and will provide an account to the next person in the rather long waitlist.

Thank you! Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 20:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Steven, have responded accordingly. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

You read the book, you saw the film... I've nominated you for...

I thought that you deserved something a bit extra for all of the amazing work you've done for the project. I've nominated you for a gift from the Wikimedia Foundation!

Page lurkers, if TRM ever helped you with something, please take a look at this nomination. --Dweller (talk) 15:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I very much appreciate the nom and also any support henceforth forthcoming....! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, just had a phone call from Chelsea F.C., turns out they need a hand until they can sign Pep. "I am just going outside and may be some time"... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Simple Misplaced Pages

Greetings TRM, I have been considering editing in Simple Misplaced Pages since it seems my participation here in the english one is not really wanted or needed anymore. I have already read through the instructions I could find there and I see you are an Admin and edit periodically so I hope you don't mind me asking a couple questions.

1. How do people even find it? I only know about it from my work here but it seems as though if it is catering to people with a minimal understanding of English its pretty hard to find.
2. I have read through the instructions I could find but I was wondering if there is anything else I should know if I start editing. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Kumioko (talk) 19:32, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey Kumioko. I've had a few years of experience over at Simple, but not all of it good, to say the least. Email me, it'll be easier to discuss things that way! All the best to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I sent you an email. Thanks for the insight. I've already made a few edits and created a few articles, categories and a template. Kumioko (talk) 19:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Greetings again. Sorry to keep bothering you. I'm still interesting to hear your thoughts on editing in Simple if you have the time. Kumioko (talk) 01:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Mahjong_Titans_7.png

Interested in an old-version image delete. Need the smaller, NFCC-compliant one, and the non-free template compliant text. This edit summary sums it up: "(WP:RV: ignoring a portion of WP:NFCC per WP:IAR)" --Lexein (talk) 11:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Have reverted and left user a message. Let me know if any further trouble occurs. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Have deleted old versions per CSD F5 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:41, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you. I wonder if I should avoid further interaction with that editor, or go after these for size reduction per WP:NFCC: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3AListFiles&limit=500&user=Dogmaticeclectic --Lexein (talk) 11:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• If you want to shrink them, I'll delete the old versions. If he keeps reverting, I'll warn him (and block him if he doesn't get the hint) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok. He correctly complained about loss of transparency, so I'll be careful to preserve that at least. --Lexein (talk) 12:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, I've watchlisted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I checked the screenshot and apparently, Microsoft's license grant applies to it. So, I changed the license tag. Now, I know the image is still non-free, but given the facilities of Microsoft license grant, you can ease up on the resolution (size and color depth) requirements.

Please don't take me wrong: This user (User:Dogmaticeclectic) has a very wrong perception of what WP:IAR is, I don't deny that. (WP:IAR does not say "ignore all rules until your heart's content"; there are good essays on WP:IAR.) Minutes before beginning his activities on this issue, he nearly started an edit war on Windows XP Professional x64 Edition article, which, with some due diligence, I averted. But in case of this image, since its use does not constitute fair use (despite its non-free nature), we can ease up on the resolution requirements.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 12:51, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, it's either completely free with a CC or GFDL license, or it's non-free. There's no in-between AFAIK. I'm not being rigidly "in bounds" per NFCC, either, just resizing so the bot doesn't tag it <160K pixels. The text is still perfectly legible. All done with the set listed in the link above. --Lexein (talk) 12:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

The template you (edit: Codename Lisa) added says "... the use of this screenshot in Misplaced Pages must comply with Misplaced Pages Non-free Content Criteria policy.", which unless made explicit elsewhere includes the resolution. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC) Edit13:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. That is completely true. I only mentioned it because I believe you also know that Misplaced Pages rules are not etched on stone and sometimes a compromise is a good way of ending a dispute. I though perhaps you appreciate knowing that since the copyright laws do not bother, you have more liberty here to act as you see fit. I assure you, I myself am in no hurry to go against a community consensus or invoke an IAR (in absence of consensus). Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:05, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The WMF indeed handed down the current WP:NFCC as more strict than U.S. copyright and fair use, and as the closest thing to stone tablets I've ever seen around here, out of legal necessity and the need to protect the project and the foundation. Fair use means use by non-copyright holders in such a way as not to damage the copyright-holder's ability to profit from their work even as we massively republish. Non-free image resolution minimization is (IMHO) our only totally effective tool to accomplish that. We have to do it, or we can't claim to be supporting the principles of fair use.

Microsoft's automatic permission for republishing screenshots can't trump our policy to minimize. I see reductions as intended to be legible, but bluntly unusable for infringement. This puts a slight burden on uploaders not to upload fullscreen screenshots, because the reduction will always be illegible. --Lexein (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to all for all the help. BTW I agree with, and commend Codename Lisa for bringing up, the MS screenshot license template, with our NFCC res proviso. I wish it contained a hard link to the MS policy on that. Any chance of that?It contains three, all hidden as plainlinks and or subheadings - bogus. I've commented about that there. --Lexein (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! --Lexein (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)As a quick note; the microsoft license states "Do not use portions of screen shots." Do we have any clear evidence that this is not a cropped screen shot? It would certainly appear it at a casual look. Harrias 17:51, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

For File:Mahjong Titans 7.png the game is the product of interest, and it is uncropped. Here, the fact that it's running under Windows 7 is secondary to the fact that it is a screenshot of the running game. In my opinion, MS is not requiring that whole desktops be captured and kept in toto. The Windows OS has a built-in capture current window to copy/paste buffer keyboard shortcut (Alt+PrtScrn) which meets the definition of "screen shot". --Lexein (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay, that's great. Thanks for the information! (Alt+PrtScrn might get some usage now..) Harrias 21:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Actually, to get good screenshots of Windows 7 and Windows Vista, you'd need specialized screenshooting utilities. Metadata suggests a good many of these screenshots are taken with either Shotty or Window Clippings. But in Windows 8, Alt+PrtScr is just super. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC

I did not know about those tools - live, learn, repeat! (made an insertion above) --Lexein (talk) 09:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

FL review page for List of Presidents of Vietnam

I've done it the best way I know how.. --TIAYN (talk) 14:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

1983 European Cup Final

I have the image of 1983 European Cup Final in my PC; how do you create a new page? --Stephan Sensuality (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Try WP:IMAGES? The Rambling Man (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Main_characters_of_One_Piece.png edit war

There's an edit war (history). I side with the original "2009" User:Goodraise image, but for a reduced size, as done. Feel like helping out? --Lexein (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Amazing User Barnstar
		Congratulations, The Rambling Man! I have decided to award you this barnstar because of your simply excellent contributions to the English Misplaced Pages. Thank you very much for all of your hard work here. You truly deserve this, and please enjoy it. Cheers! TBrandley 05:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Gracias. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, but I wrote the article and promoted it to GA, so don't want no red images, that's why!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

A new sport peer review

Here. Tnx. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ranji...

The article could do with your talents, footnote stuff and some of your lovely chart work? --Dweller (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Euroscar

I have fixed all your initial concerns except the ones about sourcing. I am unable to discern whether or not those two are or aren't reliable sources; they appear to be foreign equivalents to the American sports site Bleacher Report. The problem is essentially the same problem with why I laid off editing the article for three months: that there doesn't appear to be a lot of sourcing (English or otherwise) for this. If those aren't reliable (and, like I said, I'm not sure myself; nor am I sure on the reliability of B/R), then the article can't get to FL. If they are, it's sourced enough for FL pbp 18:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy December!

The Holidays are coming up... enjoy this lovely brownie as your first treat! Statυs (talk) 02:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

FLRC

May I recommend keeping the Ashley Tisdale discography FLRC page still open as the article still has multiple prominent issues (such as vandalized chart positions). The nominator seemed interested in improving the list as well. I would however, recommend that you look at the Foo Fighters discography FLRC page as the article was last edited a while ago (on 9 November) and still contains multiple issues. Till 09:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

WT Cric .

There was a discusion on WT cric regarding the good faith editting of articles which have been prepared by user Blackjack. Please do not instinctively, with the greatest respect, act as his policeman. It would appear that any edit of his work is reverted irrespective of the author. I believe that the hundreds of links to From Lads to Lords refer to a dead link. Should that be left? You see the problem I hope. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.2.105.34 (talk) 13:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Two things you can do instead of that, (1) tag it as dead to see if someone can find an archive of it or (2) find an archive for it, which I did in a few seconds. Cheers! Also, could you point me at this "discussion" I seem to have missed at WT:CRIC? Thanks again!! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The discussion is here. It isn't really much of a discussion though! It's a fair point that there is an assumption of bad faith from any IP editor who makes a change to 18th century cricket articles, but BlackJack also makes a good argument (albeit aggressively phrased) that perhaps more attention needs to be paid to these articles. I'm also very ponderous about why From Lads to Lords is considered a reliable source: I've read a few discussions about it, but I'm not convinced it would stand up at a FA discussion. Harrias 15:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I got it. Thanks. In any case, my marvellous solution has rendered the original edit moot. Funny how all the good faith IPs are around or about the same locations as those made by the bad faith IPs though.... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Nelly discography FLC

As this is clearly going nowhere, I'm willing to back down on the n/a template point. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

		The WikiJaguar Award for Excellence
		For your recent assistance responding to the request I left on someone else's talk page, I award you the WikiJaguar Award for Excellence in talk page stalking efforts. (Blocking an anonymous vandal) Fanthrillers (talk) 20:30, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages "server logs"

Hey. I'm dealing with an ip-hopping stalker. I thought he disengaged years ago, but now he has returned in the guise of 86.163.5.195‎. You can see his previous handywork here. Look for IP's that start with 86, 81, and/or leave "rv v" in the edit summary line. When I reported them to the their ISP, BT, I was asked for "server logs". It got very confusing, as I was told that for all intents and purposes, the contributions list of user were the "server logs". I am about to contact them again about this user, and I'm wonder if you would be willing to help if they request such stuff again. WP:ANI and WP:RFPP have failed to yield any results, the first one referring to the latter, and the latter denying protection because it was a "content dispute". As I see it, there is no content dispute when an editor does not speak, but only reverts the one he stalks. Eik Corell (talk) 21:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I sympathise entirely. Are there specific articles that this IP vandal may be interested in? We can protect those, or worst case, I can add them to my Watchlist so I can revert vandalism immediately. Let me know. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

MLB hitters with two grand slams in one game FLC

I've responded to all your comments regarding the FLC. Could you look over it again and strike out any comments you feel have been resolved? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: NFA for Best Actress FLC

Which one are you referring to? —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 12:58, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Angus Loughran

I was going to use this source material, but I thought you might enjoy it even more than I. --Dweller (talk) 11:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Get over it?

What part of WP:NOTFORUM has discontinued to apply? Ryan Vesey 21:46, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

It's someone's opinion. It's NOT A BIG DEAL. If you wish to censor that then it's up to you. I honestly think your rapid censorship says it all. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The fact is, the opinion doesn't belong where he posted it, and neither does your comment "Another day, another shooting. Right to bear arms strikes again". The section is for discussing the ITN issue, not making your comments on gun control. Ryan Vesey 21:51, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Whatever, it's a comment on the number of "shooting" articles we get from the US. This is a notable one. And an example of where piss poor gun control results in the death of lots of children. More power to the "right to bear arms" eh? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not about to go and remove the material again; however, It's pretty sad that you're sitting there as an administrator of 5 years, fully aware that the comments are not in line with policy and haven't removed the comments yourself. Ryan Vesey 21:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

It's more sad that 20-odd kids have been shot to death. I don't really have the appetite for a meaningless debate with you right now. You're process-mongering and it's entirely pointless. Please find somewhere else to focus your energy. By the way, me being an admin has no bearing on this, I'm commenting purely as an editor. Your desire to censor other editors is very telling. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Telling of what? I was acting in accordance with policy. This is not censorship and I would have had no problem with the discussion taking place on your or his talk page. Ryan Vesey 22:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

As I said, I have no appetite to debate this with you. Another 20 kids innocently murdered. If you wish to censor people's opinion, that's yet another symptom of the major problem that the right to bear arms exemplifies. Your legacy. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I was done commenting as you said you had not appetite for debate, you then continued to add to the comments. What do you mean by "my legacy"? Your idea that I am censoring gun control comments is false. I also closed out forum conversation here and I started a discussion supporting inclusion of information on gun control (which didn't exist for the longest time at 2012 Aurora shooting) at Talk:Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting#Nadler, Gun control, and all that Jazz since information on it had been removed as POV. Ryan Vesey 22:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, when I originally suggested you "get over it", I now really mean it. You censored an opinion on the "second amendment" or whatever, as a result of the "nth" shooting in the US this year alone. Today 20-odd kids died because the "amendment" to the "US Constitution" demands the right to bear arms. I'm not at all interested in your edits elsewhere, my life is too short to go chasing after your edits. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Herbie Hancock discography

Hi Rambling, i need of a your suggest about this problem. It's clear that DavidCane has neither time nor desire to follow this discussion. You just think that he answered after near a month despite my invitations in talk page (without answers). Since then, i invited him other times, but no one answer. Since then, his edits were all for WP:London in several talk pages and for many hours per day (at this point, i think that he had time for an answer, also only in talk page). Now, it seems to be absent (his last edit is dated 12nd December) and the discussion has stalled. How can i do? Should i really restart a nomination cause a person? I read WP: Consensus and the introduction claims that “Consensus on Misplaced Pages does not mean unanimity (which, although an ideal result, is not always achievable);”. Theoretically, if the situation persists the discussion could end here with consensus. I can wait another week, but not another month. I gave him all the willingness and the availability (like you can read on his talk page), but if the other part can't be present in the discussion because lack of time and/or desire, maybe he should have the good sense to withdraw himself from the discussion. I don't know what you will suggest, anyhow, i think that should be right to have a time limit for the answers in discussions to avoid these problems. SJ (talk) 02:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Simone. The problem is that the nomination has insufficient supports to be promoted, despite David's comments. It should either be restarted or archived in my opinion, but you could see what the other FL folks think, like Giants2008 or NapHit? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Civility

I just wanted to you let you know that your comments in the thread Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Error_and_desperation in response to Maile66 come off as extremely rude. It is possible you are not aware of this, hence this message. If necessary, please review WP:CIV. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 03:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Imagine my surprise to discover that you are an administrator, a bureaucrat, and an Online Ambassador. Based on your behavior, I find that absolutely incredible. Viriditas (talk) 03:53, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I for one think you are overreacting. Till 07:05, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

The comments aimed at Viriditas (talk · contribs) weren't that bad, but the criticism coming at the hook is rude for someone's work (in this case, mine). It was clearly a good faith nomination, and I was trying to improve this site and to say bad things like "was not only the most boring DYK that I've ever seen". You should have a least had the proper mind to leave me know you are remove my own hook from the main page, and your reasons why. I'll leave a more detailed reply Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know#Error and desperation, please see that. It appears to violate WP:CIV somewhat. TBrandley 07:45, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you all for your valuable and insightful input and suggestions on how to improve my behaviour. I shall most certainly be reviewing my ongoing contributions to this project in light of the criticism here. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:42, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Oops, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I meant that I thought Viriditas was overreacting about your comments about the hook which I didn't really find uncivil. Till 12:20, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

No, it's fine, the response above was to those who criticised me. I'm really going to work on my attitude here, especially as I have the tools to protect pages and rename people. I'm going to try to do better, I really am. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Crystal Dynamics video games

Hey RM; I know you watchlist all the FLCs you leave comments in, but it's been three days and I have adressed all your initial concerns. Anything else you'd like to note? Thanks :) — ΛΧΣ 04:51, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll get back onto it soon, just spent a few days finishing up work for the year. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:43, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured list removal candidates/Jessica Simpson discography/archive1

Hello, can you please take a look at the above FLRC when you get a chance. Thank you in advance. Till 12:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)