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	:(ec) Guanaco, I don't agree with the removal of the comment, but could I ask you to tone down your comments a bit? Calling people "" and ideas "", and then times is inappropriate; remember that discussion should always come first, and that you should extend ] and civility as much as possible. I know that this is a heated debate, but such remarks tend to antagonize the situation further. Thanks! ] <small>(])</small> 17:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)		:(ec) Guanaco, I don't agree with the removal of the comment, but could I ask you to tone down your comments a bit? Calling people "" and ideas "", and then times is inappropriate; remember that discussion should always come first, and that you should extend ] and civility as much as possible. I know that this is a heated debate, but such remarks tend to antagonize the situation further. Thanks! ] <small>(])</small> 17:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
			::I assumed good faith, but my assumption was disproved. Certain users are bullies, and certain ideas are bullshit. I have expressed this in more politically correct terms in the past, and I didn't seem to be understood, but out of respect for your request, I will try being politically correct one more time. —]] 18:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

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Note: If you are here because I reverted an edit by OrphanBot on your talk page, you may be interested in discussion at Template talk:PD-CAGov. Please disregard the messages that I reverted. —Guan aco 23:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

See the histories of /archive and the /archive2 for old conversations. For more recent conversations, see /archive3.

Katelyn Faber

Could you weigh in at the bottom of the Talk Page for Katelyn Faber regarding the inclusion of an image of her? User:Tufflaw, who unsuccessfully tried to have the entire article deleted back in December 2005 insists on censoring/deleting it for extremely specious reasons, and I've been asked to gather a consensus. Please read the bottom two sections of that page. Thanks. Nightscream 18:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Totalbox

Thanks for reverting. John Reid 22:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out
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Note from the editor
Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log)
Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen.
Signed...
Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for adding the photo of Caroline_Thompson to Deceased_Wikipedians. --Alabamaboy 21:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn't add it; I only added {{clear}} to fix the formatting. —Guan aco 22:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Re MarkSweep, did you know about his deletions of Chechnya-related userboxen?

They were {{Template:User independent Chechnya}} and {{Template:User Russian Chechnya}}. BTW, I think highlights rather than the full text of WP:UBD#* would be more effective. StrangerInParadise 06:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for fixing my comments at the RfAr. I believe MarkSweep is way out of control. There's a line to be drawn and he's past it. — natha(?)nrdotcom 12:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

While in the course of investigating some requests at wikipedia:Requests for Checkuser, it was discovered (and later confirmed) that you were behind a string of grossly inappropriate sockpuppets, including (but not limited to) User:Your continued donations keep Misplaced Pages running!, User:A. Beesley, and User:AIDS reappraisal. user:Jack Bauer, Misplaced Pages admin, user:Jack Bauer vs. Chuck Norris, user:Nina Myers vs. Misplaced Pages, user:Tony Almeida on a wikibreak, user:Walt Cummings, Wikimedia steward. Since the subtle approach was ignored, I'm asking you plainly - do you have anything to say in response? Raul654 05:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice the talk message. I would have explained it there, but I logged out before I received the message. The accounts were a test of Curps' bot and the other methods of dealing with borderline-inappropriate usernames, impostors, and vandal accounts; it's good to know that these are being handled seriously. I am trying to coordinate the efforts of Curps and the freenode channel #vandalism-en-wp (CVU) to make the system more efficient.

I am curious how this came up at wikipedia:Requests for Checkuser. I am not responsible for any of the usernames listed there. —Guan aco 21:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Nobody on #vandalism-en-wp knows anything about this "coordination". Kelly Martin (talk) 00:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

One of my ideas is to filter accounts that will be autoblocked by Curps from the account creation reports, preventing wasted effort and channel spam. Accounts like "Crups on wheels" would not even appear in #vandalism-en-wp, but no such plan is actively being implemented yet. —Guan aco 01:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Then by all means, please direct us towards some user who can vouch for the fact that your sockpuppetry was done in good faith. Raul654 02:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you looking for hard evidence or users who trust me? The only thing concrete I can find for now is Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith. Please review that page before posting here again. —Guan aco 03:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

You said you were coordinating your efforts to test the various bots, so presumably somebody knew of your activities (As Karynn said, nobody in #vandalism-en-wp has heard of you). We are looking for one of those people, so they can confirm your story - please direct us to him/her. If you cannot provide such a person, we cannot help but face the possiblity that you are lying to us Raul654 03:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I will ask a few people to confirm that I had discussed the coordination idea. If I had been acting out of malice, I would have actually vandalized Misplaced Pages. I could easily write vandalbots or secretly add inaccuracies to articles, yet I continue to clean up vandalism, with the exception of today. Today I have been unable to rollback actual vandals; please unblock 68.103.186.123 to remedy this. —Guan aco 03:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

(As Karynn said, nobody in #vandalism-en-wp has heard of you) - If no one in there has heard of me, then I cannot confirm anything with anyone. —Guan aco 03:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

C ould you please just tell us who you discussed the coordination idea with. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 06:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to subject anyone else to this lynch mob. I will ask them myself. —Guan aco 20:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

- brenneman 07:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Main Page

Wait...there were goatse images?! What? Hah — Ilyan e p (Talk) 05:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Your barnstar award to Sjakkalle

Dear Guanaco: Although I wouldn't presume to censure when or under what grounds people award barnstars to other users, the widely accepted practice when encountering administrative action is to discuss the matter with the administrator who carried out the action, not simply revert the action; doing so is widely considered "wheel warring", which is frowned upon by both the Arbitration Committee and the community at large. Such reversion is, besides, discourteous and liable to increase editing temperature, which is not what administrators should be encouraging on Misplaced Pages. I do think it is inappropriate that you awarded Sjakkalle a barnstar with the reason "I award you this Editor's Barnstar for your efforts in reversing unfair actions by other administrators" as you are essentially attempting to encourage wheel warring amongst administrators which is not acceptable on Misplaced Pages; you did so under my request that he follow standard levels of courtesy in letting me know he reverted my administrative actions. WP:POINT violations are not acceptable under any circumstances, in my view. I would ask that you show slightly more sensitivity to the needs of community versus your own ideals of what constitutes unfair action on the part of other administrators. Please think over this, and try to please remember that Misplaced Pages is meant to be a collaborative effort where people work together and discuss, not where people attempt to create battles with one another over decision making. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 22:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Barnstar Brigade
The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Misplaced Pages, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Misplaced Pages has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated."
Stress Alerts
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Information
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The last AC meeting (full log)
The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Misplaced Pages. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly.
A plea from the editor...
The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there.
Signed...
Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

My talk page

Thanks for blocking those guys, I was at my wits end. pm_shef 04:14, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Let me know if they return. —Guan aco 04:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Spam

If you check Saxifrage's or Sam Blannings talk pages you will see that I am actually using the Bold-Revert-discuss method to try to get the link added. There was a message posted about the link in the talk page that was not responded to and Sam said that after a week I should add the link and see if a USER protests the link being added. Thanks for understanding. Also, if you were to look at what Pro-lick actually posted it was vadilism. I have been reverting those pages to an appropriate page for awhile now, and have been thanked by admin for doing so. I'm trying to edit wikipedia in an appropriate manor now, please help me. (Emoholic 16:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC))

Lou Franklin block

I assume you're following his Arbitration... you should probably mention your block over on the workshop there. Georgewilliamherbert 07:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The block has been reset to a week anyway. —Guan aco 21:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Final decision

The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Guanaco, MarkSweep, et al case. Raul654 00:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Feeling stressed?

Cheer up. Let the guys with the sysop tools take care of the vandals. Now you should have plenty of time to do some "real" editing. I suggest taking some time to work on developing the content of some articles. And, of course, if you happen to run across one of those pesky little vandals, just report it to AIV. --Tantalum T e lluride 05:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Desysopped

Please refer to as proof that you are no longer an admin and should therefore no longer mention yourself as a current admin. --69.117.7.63 02:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

Please put all tasty Easter wishes here!

Happy Easter from someone you not long ago blocked apparently without thinking twice. But let the bygone be bygone. All the best from your Friendly Neighbour 12:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC).

Arbitration

Based on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Guanaco%2C_MarkSweep%2C_et_al You are no longer an admin, and therefore I removed your name from the mediation committee.--Freestyle.king 07:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

That seems untoward. I don't see anywhere on Misplaced Pages:Mediation Committee that adminship is a requirement, nor on Misplaced Pages talk:Mediation Committee that this has been discussed. - brenneman 07:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Neither could I. I've reverted Freestyle.king's edits until he can show there's either consensus for Guanaco to be removed or that there's a rule stating mediators must also be sysops. —Locke Cole • t • c 07:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

This removal seems to be based on a personal vendetta. —Guan aco 00:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

A false assumption.--Freestyle.king 04:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Guanaco

I saw you on the stress list at Esperanza. I just wanted to let you know that I know how nasty it can get around here. I'm on that stress list, too. I'm new but have had a large group of mean manipulating people come down on me for making some edits on their page.

One was an admin. I told her what I thought about the way she was acting and now she's probably watching me or somehting. Not that I care what any of them think, because honestly, I don't.

I don't know what's going on around here, but I don't like it. There's definitely a big group of people that like to swarm in on certain others and harass them till they finally drive them out.

I'm getting tired of it already and I haven't been here long at all.

Anyway I hope you feel better and it works out well for you. If you need anything please leave me a message anytime.
peace Maggiethewolfstar 05:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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Hi

You might want to take a look at the NAMBLA page. There's another dispute regarding the categorization. And will beback has, as usual, opportunistically decided to champion the cause although he raised no complaints about the categorization for the past two months. It seems as though editors are trying to insert changes to the categorization without first reaching a consensus on the issue. Corax 01:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Guanaco, I also invite you to look over the matter. The more experienced editors the better. Cheers, -Will Beback 08:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching
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Stressbusters
The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome!
Note from the editor
As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log)
Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon.
Signed...
Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

np

Hopefully it help, at least a little! Comments welcome at Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#CSD:Tx. — xaosflux 00:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Withdraw

This might be interpreted as a personal attack - . Please consider withdrawing it. --Doc 17:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I will not withdraw it. It is not a personal attack; it is an impersonal attack directed at users who try to defeat Misplaced Pages's consensus-based decision-making process. If it offends you, I ask that you seriously reconsider your decision to edit Misplaced Pages. —Guan aco 17:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Knock it off. Let's debate the issues and not attack people, personally or otherwise. I've reverted it for you. --Doc 17:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If you don't like my comment, respond to it. Do not delete my comments. —Guan aco 17:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

(ec) Guanaco, I don't agree with the removal of the comment, but could I ask you to tone down your comments a bit? Calling people "bullies" and ideas "bullshit", and then reverting several times is inappropriate; remember that discussion should always come first, and that you should extend good faith and civility as much as possible. I know that this is a heated debate, but such remarks tend to antagonize the situation further. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 17:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I assumed good faith, but my assumption was disproved. Certain users are bullies, and certain ideas are bullshit. I have expressed this in more politically correct terms in the past, and I didn't seem to be understood, but out of respect for your request, I will try being politically correct one more time. —Guan aco 18:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)