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Regular edis versus minor edits

Marking this as a minor edit isn't actually the best use of the minor edit feature. Minor edits - which change nothing of another user's words or intent - are typically reserved for correcting spelling, indenting and typographical or formatting sorts of mistakes. No harm done this time, but you need to be very cautious about marking significant edits as minor. Some users have the feature enabled in their wiki which overlooks minor edits. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Young Justice revert

While uncited (and therefore unusable in the article), I would not classify this edit as vandalism. I know that the new users making these sorts of changes are frustrating, but this sort of stereotyping tends to scare off potentially useful, productive editors. Just a thought. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from Jack, but this "MetaGene" issue has gotten out of hand; I've looked for it on the internet, and I believe it started here, and it just keeps popping up from IP's. They may mean well, but these well-meant edits are bringing down the article as a whole; and other IP's need to know why it doesn't belong. Vandalism may be harsh, so I'll just rollback and talk on the IP's page for uncited content. Grammarxxx

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GAN Jon Huntsman, Jr.

I will be reviewing the article shortly. Right now I slapped a template on the review page as a place holder but I will probably not being using that one for the review. In general the article looks clean, well written and orderly. References, at a glance look fine and the one claim I checked used primary and secondary sourcing, placing the primary behind the secondary. There will probably be a few issues but nothing major from what I see. One thing you may wish to fix before the review begins are the images. The last one has an issue. While the license, author, date, etc seem fine (flickr upload confirmed) the summary is a propbelm and contains promotional linking to a website that is neither the source (it is a flicker source) or the author itself. (as the author is the account at flicker) and appears to only promote the webiste itself. Also, for some off reason someone wrote Copyright of this website which puts a bit of a questionmark on it visualy, even if not accurately.--Amadscientist (talk) 18:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, will start the review tomorrow. Been busy in RL.--Amadscientist (talk) 04:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I am unable to return to Misplaced Pages for a length of time that would allow a thorough review. I will be removing yself from the reviews i have begun.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Very well, can you at least ask another reviewer to take up this nomination? It has been up a while and I would really like to have this listed as a GA. Grammarxxx (talk) 03:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Tip O'Neill

Hi Grammar, I see you have nominated Tip O'Neill for GA. I am not a reviewer but I see that much of the article is not referenced. Right off this bat this would mean it would not pass a GA. It may well be worth reading the GA criteria and working up the article accordingly. There are over 300 articles waiting for review, some going back to May, so my advice would be to withdraw your nomination for now until the article looks very likely to pass. I hope that is helpful. Best wishes and happy editing. Let me know if I can be of assistance. Span (talk) 23:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Span, thanks for your input, I have retracted the nomination. I was planning to cite more sources before the nomination, but I guess I was being anxious. Thanks again, Grammarxxx

It looks like it will be great. Good luck and happy editing. Span (talk) 10:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ben Quayle

I just saw how you classified my contribution to Ben Quayle's page as vandalism. Of course it was no such thing. To update the most recent election results from past tense to present tense is not the act of a 'vandal'. Then I looked at your history and saw that you use that term freely and often, and have been taken to task for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YingYang2 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Well YingYang2 I hope you'd be able to see it from my point of view: someone updates a politicians electoral history without any citation, and looking at your contribution history, you're not a normal contributor either; and looking at your talk page, you're no stranger to accusations of vandalism. I'll just say this, whenever updating an article, a citation isn't such a bad idea; and when accused of vandalism, perhaps look back on why someone may have thought that, instead of running to their talk page to steam. --Grammarxxx

Again, not true. You're the first person to claim vandalism on my part. And I didn't come on here and 'steam'. You seem to prefer hyperbole to facts. I don't live on Misplaced Pages like some others, but my contributions are no less important than yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YingYang2 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Sunni Islam

Hi, There is no religion called "Sunni Islam". Sunni Islam is a branch of Islam, it's not a religion. so please undo your change on Keith Ellison, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thexyster (talk • contribs) 11:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello Thexyster, whether or not Sunni Islam is a religion, it is the branch to which Keith Ellison belongs. I will not revert my change because it more clearly defines what his religious preference is, and as an encyclopedia, this information must be available. --Grammarxxx

OK

OK I made another change on Keith Ellison I hope we both agree on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thexyster (talk • contribs) 08:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

This is an excellent compromise. --Grammarxxx 18:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Revert

• Gillibrand

Hello Gram, I don't really understand your quite important revert. < -- --> is I guess an entempt to do a < ! -- hidden comment or paragraph title -- >. It's a rare practice bu I already met it in other articles and use it myself too (sometimes) to give hidden indications to futurs editors. In short, I quite think there was no content to delete, just some copyedit to do. Cheer~ Yug (talk) 13:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yug, I know what they were for, but just reading them it felt to me that they were permanant sections. For instance, in the intro there was personal hist., electoral hist., viewpoints and so on; almost as if that those sectons could never be removed. Although I'm sure you are correct, that mainly new users would have abided by them, I hold that <-- -- > just meerly clutter up and confuse the process, except when conveying serious information. --User:Grammarxxx 17:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Answer viewed. I still favor a keep: aside the < -- --> issue, you also pruned a lot of content. I don't really understand the rational for that. The author of this content should have been contacted and asked to source it. And even unsourced, it's sound correct enough to simply add the template: . Yug (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Please read WP guidelines and stop posting nasty notices

Grammarxxx; I am assuming you are not aware of WP policy, otherwise, what you are doing would constitute a WP:PA. Any time, ESPECIALLY when entries are set up as !votes, suspicious behavior, such as multiple new accounts all !voting in an unusual way, all in support of each other, a tag or warning is allowed. That tag can be WP:SPA, or include an accusation that an individual editor is manipulating accounts, HOWEVER, guidelines direct that the least accusatory notice be used.

In this case, which was only somewhat set up as a !vote, the observation was made that, while editors disagreed on how much coverage there should be of the Warren gaffes, there was unanimous consensus that the previously stated position of one editor that it should be excluded was illegitimate (that editor declined to express an opinion directly on the RfC). Within a short time THREE editors newly appeared on WP, all precisely registered !votes to exclude (the only such !votes, in WP style), and all ceased editing within hour(s) online. Noting suspicious behavior is allowed. Please refer to

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christopher Murphy

MPs are always notable. Evidence that they were an MP is sufficient, and the official source is enough. Of course it would be good to find newspaper articles as well. Why not look for them. DGG ( talk ) 05:46, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

So simply being elected to Parliament secures him an eternal article on Misplaced Pages, even though his history isn't properly documented? What would it take to have it deleted, because it sounds like that to me. --Grammarxxx 4:04, 1 October 2012

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Kirsten Gillibrand

Nice job on helping get Kirsten Gillibrand to GA status. I just noticed that I welcomed you here three years ago; glad to see you're still doing good work! All the best - Kafziel 03:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! You are the person to welcome me, talk about a small "world". I just started up "real" editing this year, and I'm happy with the work I'm doing. Thanks for reviewing Kirsten Gillibrand, I've also nominated Martin O'Malley, Cory Booker, Rahm Emanuel, Jon Huntsman's campaign, for GA and Jon Huntsman, Jr. for FA if you'd like to look at them. Thanks, Grammarxxx 04:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

John Lynch

Dear Grammarx,

Sorry about that. I shouldn't have made the Ovide changes, but couldn't resist. About John Lynch- I actually thought more links would be helpful! Sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hansye42 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Martin O'Malley

I'm sorry, but where can one find mention of O'Malley's religious beliefs? I did 2 quick scans of the article, but I could find nothing at all. Could you perhaps give me a specific section to read? 69.121.17.200 (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

In the "Same-sex marriage" section, in the letter from Archbishop Edwin O'Brien, it reads "As advocates for the truths we are compelled to uphold, we speak with equal intensity and urgency in opposition to your promoting a goal that so deeply conflicts with your faith"; it also links to an article clarifying his religion. When deleting information from an article, it takes more than just a quick scan or two, to do a good job. Grammarxxx 19:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this, and I'm sorry I made that edit in haste. Happy editing! :) 69.121.17.200 (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: David Chiwanga

Hello Grammarxxx. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of David Chiwanga, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 02:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries

Just a friendly request to look at the {{db-a10}} template that you applied to the April, May, and June articles — these are splits of the massive Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 article, and the template notes that splits of large articles aren't eligible for deletion under this criterion. As far as I can tell from his edit summaries, Jax 0677 created these pages with the explicit purpose of reducing the size of the yearlong article. Nyttend (talk) 15:09, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Ivy Experimental High School

You recently tagged this article for speedy deletion using CSD#A7 and CSD#G11. However, that criteria explicitly excludes educational institutions, and high schools are generally considered notable per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES so I have rolled back the {{db-a7}} and {{db-g11}} tag and replaced with other tags. --Ritchie333 09:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Rahm Emanuel

Hi. A note off the review page. Thanks again for your work on this. The mayor section looks great. I've enjoyed collaborating with you. Sorry I have not had more time to put in, I've been distracted. Neither of us is the main editor of this, and there's a lot of refs, so the only thing I'm worried about is cv. What do you think? We'll wrap this up his week. Thanks again. Hugh (talk) 07:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

For your quick action here. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 14:03, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox response

Bah, sorry for the tardiness. I'm about to nod off and I have a Christmas party to host when I awaken but I will try to respond sometime tomorrow and if not, try and prod me and I'll get get to you ASAP. Best regards! Therequiembellishere (talk) 08:19, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, yeah sorry. I get caught up and forgot about responding.... About the immediate edits I'm making right now with the "Formatting infobox" edit summary, all I'm doing is moving to the state/district sections in a way that they can be seen as members-elect without the office section mess. Now as to the previous edits you originally referred to, I'm fully aware that these are people but if our criteria for relevant information on persons' infoboxes is every possible facet of information we have on them, it would defeat the purpose of the box itself, which is to provide a quick summary of a person's offices and biographical information which have an impact in that daily, public life. Their families obviously impact decision-making in some way but on a private, unofficial basis and can be easily expressed in the prose of the private life section in the article itself. Particularly if their spouse and children fail notability themselves, then they lack necessity in the box. The residences are the same but even moreso, imo, because it's highly fluid for politicians and not easily supported by reputable citations. Therequiembellishere (talk) 00:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Cdtew. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Stuart Firestein, and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, Cdtew

Mart Laar

Giving undue weight to obscure events is a violation of BLP policy, perhaps you should get up to speed on this policy before mis-representing my revert as "Not adhering to neutral point of view on Mart Laar". 87.208.192.123 (talk) 09:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Your first removal of the content you called it "Irrelevant," and now you say it's a BLP violation? The info is essential and will remain there. I suggest you recognize you have some bias, (it being the only article you've ever edited) and stop insulting the intelligences of users before you are blocked. Grammarxxx 09:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Things given undue weight generally are irrelevant by definition, so my position has been consistent from the start. How is this information in any way "essential" when English language sources do not deem it relevant enough to mention it? 87.208.192.123 (talk) 09:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you actually asking me why worldwide news isn't translated into English? Are you trying to say that news in foreign languages has no relevance in the English-speaking world? I could tell you it's essential because it gives insight into his attitude towards his opponents, but I seriously doubt anything will help you see reason. I'll just tell you that because that information it portrayed in a neutral way, it will remain in the article. Grammarxxx 09:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Darren Tighe

I contested your CSD on Darren Tighe because:

• A7 requires nothing more than the assertion to importance, which is distinct from notability.
• You used {{db-band}} which makes no sense.
• This is an older article with a significant revision history by multiple editors, which is normally not considered a good target for speedy deletion.

If you have concerns about the person's notability, the indicated thing here is to PROD it, or take it to WP:AFD. Cheers. §FreeRangeFrog 10:47, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

87.208.192.123

87.208.192.123 continues his trolling on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard and http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mart_Laar He is editing just one article and all his edits are attempts to remove "bad" information and discredit me and my work on restoring NPOV there. Anything we can do to stop him? Tõnu Samuel (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

The only thing that can be done is to let it take its course. IP is a highly partisan "editor," with whom no one agrees with due to their inability to understand policy. IP is a liar or either from a blocked account (or both), and eventually all of their edits will be reverted. Thankfully there are editors like you to call out their BS, and keep Misplaced Pages the respectable and trustworthy encyclopedia it is. Grammarxxx 21:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

hmmm, apart from the problematical issue of canvassing your support for an ongoing discussion on a notice board, don't you think your rather strong declaration of me being a "liar" could be construed as a gross and unjustified personal attack, given that you have absolutely no evidence? On the contrary, atleast three editors supported my position on the article talk page so your contention "whom no one agrees" falls rather short of the truth of the matter. Cheers, 87.208.192.123 (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)