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FYI, "Bouvet", a French warship, was the first ship sunk (by a mine) in the campaign. I did not quote that part not to let you claim "I was talking about '''British''' warships. As you may see, the first British ships sunk were also as a result of hitting seamines and not for "The first person sinking them by artillery fire". Now I am waiting for the POV user to correct their edits (and not to tell me "WP is not an RS either" because that article, compiled from reliable sources, has not been written by editors who promote to "General", captains of their POV choice. --] (]) 22:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
FYI, "Bouvet", a French warship, was the first ship sunk (by a mine) in the campaign. I did not quote that part not to let you claim "I was talking about '''British''' warships. As you may see, the first British ships sunk were also as a result of hitting seamines and not for "The first person sinking them by artillery fire". Now I am waiting for the POV user to correct their edits (and not to tell me "WP is not an RS either" because that article, compiled from reliable sources, has not been written by editors who promote to "General", captains of their POV choice. --] (]) 22:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
:Writing General instead of Captain is an honest mistake. Besides, we are not talking about the first ship sunk by mines, we are talkimg about the first ship sunk by man. It is believed that he was the first, if not, one of the first, to sink a British ship. ] (]) 22:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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(See the other two in Anti-Armenianism article.) So we have the youngest general of modern Turkish history here; who left, according to the sources, the Turkish Army and joined anti-Turkey forces un his 20s (or teens?). I propose we add to the article he was the youngest general of the modern Turkish army. --E4024 (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Unreliable sources and the first battleships sunk at the Turkish straits
Editing Ottoman Turkey articles using sources like "Genocide Museum of Armenia" webpage would predictably not give the best results. Therefore claiming that "(General! Torosyan) is considered the first person to sink a British battleship." is quite problematic. Especially so if even the referred unreliable source only says "It appeared thatCaptain Sarkis Torossian was the first who destroyed a British warship during the Dardanelles/Chanakkale battle in early 1915." (I bolded weasel speech.) FYI, our Gallipoli Campaign and especially the Naval operations in the Dardanelles Campaign articles clearly show that the first warships to be sunk trying to pass the Turkish straits in WWI were sunk by "seamines", not artillery fire. Those mines were laid by the Ottoman minelayer Nusret.
Read as I quote from the latter, more detailed text:
"The British pressed on with the attack. Around 16:00, Inflexible began to withdraw and struck a mine near where Bouvet went down, killing 30 crewmen. The battlecruiser remained afloat and eventually beached on the island of Bozcaada (Tenedos).
Irresistible was the next to be mined. As she began to drift helplessly, the crew were taken off. De Robeck told Ocean to take Irresistible under tow but the water was deemed too shallow to make an approach. Finally at 18:05, Ocean struck a mine which jammed the steering gear leaving her likewise helpless. The abandoned battleships were still floating when the British withdrew. A destroyer commanded by Commodore Roger Keyes returned later to attempt either to tow away or sink the stricken vessels but despite searching for four hours, there was no sign of them."
FYI, "Bouvet", a French warship, was the first ship sunk (by a mine) in the campaign. I did not quote that part not to let you claim "I was talking about British warships. As you may see, the first British ships sunk were also as a result of hitting seamines and not for "The first person sinking them by artillery fire". Now I am waiting for the POV user to correct their edits (and not to tell me "WP is not an RS either" because that article, compiled from reliable sources, has not been written by editors who promote to "General", captains of their POV choice. --E4024 (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Writing General instead of Captain is an honest mistake. Besides, we are not talking about the first ship sunk by mines, we are talkimg about the first ship sunk by man. It is believed that he was the first, if not, one of the first, to sink a British ship. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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