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Would the editor who has now twice deleted only Jewish information from the article please explain the reasons for his/her actions? Regards, ] (]) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Would the editor who has now twice deleted only Jewish information from the article please explain the reasons for his/her actions? Regards, ] (]) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I did not delete "Jewish information" from the article-obviously you're trying to inflame this and suggest something about my motivations when the fact is that the information is incorrect and unsupported. I deleted claims that are incorrect based on scholarly sources such as Potichnyj, Shtendera and others. Perhaps you don't read Ukrainian, so you can't appreciate that the actual movement of UPA in the Lemko Tactical Sector -based on archival records captured by Poles and later compiled by Yevhen Misilo, Potichnyj and others for example - shows another story. You also wrote that "Ukrainians" robbed Bukowsko Jewish homes. How do you know that Poles didn't also do that? You prove that they didn't and I'll concede - but you can't. Things like that aren't easy to prove. I didn't turn around and say "Poles robbed the Jews" - I just removed the biased statement that had no legitimate source to back it up.
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I removed the part about "Ukrainians robbing Bukowsko" because there is no documentary evidence provided here that this occurred, and if it did occur (and it was only Ukrainians), no context was provided to prove that.. As an avid reader of both holocaust and Ukrainian historical literature, I'm well aware that there were such things going on in Poland and Ukraine, but it seems that the placement of this phrase was (a.) something of a non-sequitor; and (b.) not substantiated. It's pretty well known that during the holocaust in Poland, non-Jewish neighbors who witnessed the expulsions of Jews from their homes would often loot the houses afterward - that includes Ukrainians AND Poles. You're talking about poor people who didn't have anything and who knew that the Jews were probably not coming back. (Sad, but true - and something different than implying that Ukrainians were the only ones looting.) So the author is very sure that no Poles or other ethnic groups participated? Highly doubtful. No documentary evidence substantiates that it was ONLY Ukrainians who robbed Jewish homes. Perhaps there's some kind of testimonial evidence - meaning that someone once upon a time said that it was the Ukrainians who did it, and only mentioned the Ukrainians. Not good enough to pass the evidence test. As an ethnographic researcher I can tell you that individual memories are sometimes unreliable when it comes to pointing out perpetrators of war crimes, which is why documentary evidence is needed to reinforce it.
Whoever did that, well obviously, it was a reprehensible action. However, I don't think that unsubstantiated statements like that should be included. Another overall problem with this article is that it was written in passive tense. Other than the unsubstantiated finger pointing at the Ukrainians - subjects (e.g. Nazi Germans) aren't readily identified. Perhaps stating that the Nazi German Einsatzgruppe units were responsible for the killings would be a good start. Corinna Caudill (talk) 02:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC) Corinna Caudill (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Selective deletion of Jewish information
Would the editor who has now twice deleted only Jewish information from the article please explain the reasons for his/her actions? Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I did not delete "Jewish information" from the article-obviously you're trying to inflame this and suggest something about my motivations when the fact is that the information is incorrect and unsupported. I deleted claims that are incorrect based on scholarly sources such as Potichnyj, Shtendera and others. Perhaps you don't read Ukrainian, so you can't appreciate that the actual movement of UPA in the Lemko Tactical Sector -based on archival records captured by Poles and later compiled by Yevhen Misilo, Potichnyj and others for example - shows another story. You also wrote that "Ukrainians" robbed Bukowsko Jewish homes. How do you know that Poles didn't also do that? You prove that they didn't and I'll concede - but you can't. Things like that aren't easy to prove. I didn't turn around and say "Poles robbed the Jews" - I just removed the biased statement that had no legitimate source to back it up.
