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ArbCom Clerks, tiny suggestion

Hi,

I may be the only person who nitpicks about this, but (whereas it's April) I think it is time that the conditional sentence regarding the March re-evaluation of the Clerks Office is modified. Personally, as someone who was initially skeptical of the Office, I must admit it seems to have performed well. The final judgment is reserved to you ArbCommers, obviously, and I have contacted you because you added the text regarding the re-evaluation originally. My concern is especially that newer editors might find the outdated text confusing. Best wishes, Xoloz 04:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

And, on a completely different matter, I'm trying to figure out the implication of your having User:David Gerard played by a dead man, Vincent Schiavelli, in Misplaced Pages: The Movie. :) Xoloz 18:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

My opinion of the clerk's office is that it has been a limited success, and that the limiting factor is the small number of clerks (who are now swamped, as is much of the arbcom). Raul654 10:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, there are plenty of pending applications remaining. Either ArbCom could do the job of choosing them, or a new Head Clerk could be appointed. I might suggest former Arb. Mackenson for the position, since he has the advantage of recent community approval; or, alternatively, ArbCom could open the position of Head Clerk to willing b'crats, to expand the pool of potential holders for that office. Xoloz 13:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and about Vincent Schiavelli - he's the only person who could successfully replicate the self-image David Gerard tries to project ;) Raul654 10:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Microsoft as a front-page FA?

Probably a crazy idea (think of the vandalisms!) but I have managed to clean up all the daughter articles, and the main one is even 200% better then it was a FA time. Any thoughts? If not, could you critique the article for me? I could use some more suggestions on how to improve it :). Just another star in the night 23:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have nothing against putting this article on the main page, although there's a relatively large backlog of computer-related main page FA requests (Rule of thumb - computer, sci-fi, and war related requests are always backlogged). Raul654 10:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, OK - sorry about that - I didn't know :). In that case feel free to take your time, no rush :). Just another star in the night 14:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Arty Spotting

Not to be confused with spotting a stain.....

Article request - Artillery spotting

You said: "I saw your comment to Looper5920. I have an article request that seems right up your alley. I'm putting the finishing touches on Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima (it will soon be promoted to featured article). On the FAC page for that article, it was mentioned that we don't have an article on artillery spotting. Would you be interested in writing one? Raul654 02:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)"

SimonATL 05:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC) replies in a stream of consciousness, multi-tasking sort of way: Looper - Yes, I'd be interested but Artillery spotting is only part of a much larger picture. What used to be called in WW-II, "artillery spotting" today is considered under a much larger category of Fire Support Coordination (FSC). This would be a much more useful article and here's why. FSC includes traditional "artillery spotting," Naval Gunfire (NGF)and forward air control (FAC). So you can clobber the "bad guy" from land, sea or air and such an article could be broken up into 3 separate parts plus a part on how all three are put together. We could put a redirect for "artillery spotting" right into that article. What do you think? I take it you're a historian, but perhaps, not formally trained in some of these things? I slaved through a friggin YEAR in the classroom at Quantico, VA and then out at the US Army's School of Artillery at Fort Sill, OK. I've been out of touch with some of this stuff as I retired in 98 with 22 years. But the good thing is that the Arty School puts out a GREAT technical mag on Artillery topics and since it's government property, I could draw heavly on it. Also, the same for the other areas. Another thing to consider is the evolution of the whole deal. From some little turk gunner with his little quadrant in a direct fire mode poundin the walls at Constantinople to the Napoleonic age, when things got better organizationally, to the US Civil war with its Federal (Yankee) iron rifled artillery kicking the crap out of Confederate brass canons with their defective fuses at Gettysburg, to the late 19th century when (yes, its hard to believe) the dang French (although they're quite clever in the engineering field historically, right?) invented a pneumatic recoil mechanism that allowed a cannon to recoil, recover from that and go back into almost the same position, allowing for much better control, to target acquisition by binoculars and balloons to locating the enemy by sound ranging, flash ranging and finally modern radar. So, its a fairly complex subject. But looking at your background in engineering, you'd really get off on it cause its a perfect melding of science, technology, mathematics (gunnery) and "violent execution" by artillery, the "King of Battle" as the "red legs" out at Fort Sill are called. Lots of rambling here, but you get my point. A quite interesting topic. Another consideration. To do this right would really require extensive graphics - you know, parabolic arches and stuff and maps of the spotter, the target, the battery and how all that comes together in the Fire Direction Center (FDC). By they way, looper, with your great math/tech/science background you would have been like #1 in your class at Fort Sill in the Basic Officer Course (BOC) and the Field Artillery Cource (FAC). Seriously, you would have sailed thru that stuff. They take the math brainiacs and put them RIGHT in that FDC where they call the shots and the Army LOVES the HELL out of good gunnery officers. You have NO idea how much and how FAR these guys can go. I was more music/art than math/science, so I had to "make" myself study the stuff, but I got good at it, actually and became an FDC inspector for a time, double-checking for their accuracy.

So, let's discuss the breadth and scope of this stuff. By they way, I couldn't help but notice that you're kind of at the top of the wiki food chain and probably inhabiting some secret temple on Wiki Mt. Olympus. Just how did this stuff evolve as far as it has? Its really quite sophisticated, IMHO (well, Marines have a hard time being humble) anyway, how do people become editors, admins and the like?

I've written a fair number of articles, including some totally new stuff and my background in ancient civilizations, Latin, some Greek, etc, has been helpful - dude - even Wiki articles in Latin! Anyway, as a medieval (sp) dude stuck in the 21st Century, Wiki is right up my alley, and unlike too damned many people, I can actually write a coherent English paragraph and some Spanish and French too boot.

Do you dudes have like Wiki conventions where you wear like the wiki version of Star Trek costumes and have Wiki groupies and hangers on? I mean what's the extent of this wiki culture? Call me some time. You can email me at SimonATL (at) yahoo.com cause I'd like to take about 20 minutes to get my hands around this whole wiki universe. I've been too busy editing in English, Spanish and Latin to notice much of the background wiring in the walls and cultural/political stuff like that.

Hey, you're the featured article guy. Then you'll notice how much I've expanded the Theodore Roosevelt article and ALL the TR-related articles, subject matter wise, much more interesting photos. Others like that Lee guy did the footnoting. I also added the entire section on his trip up the River of Doubt in 1913. And know what, because of all that work, and my writing an article on the Theodore Roosevelt (TRA) organization and on TR's great-great grandson, Tweed Roosevelt, I came to the attention of the Roosevelt family and they invited me to become a member of their Strategic Advisory Board to look at how IT and the Web can help them. So, you see, sometimes there are unintended consequences and I'm SURE you've had yours. Do like have Wiki groupies? Just kidding! Anyway, I'll help, but I've burned up so much time, I'll have to allot my hours, dig? thanks SimonATL 05:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC) All I understand at this point is that this dude had a great idea. I think Misplaced Pages is right up there as on of THE single great invention - as in the IP protocol, the Web, Web browser and Google/search and people like Bill Gates and Larry Elison (sp), ok, I'm lying about those two!.

PS - Dude, I clicked on your fan club link and nearly fell off of my chair laughing my proverbial ass off - that's funny as hell!

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:SimonATL"

First, I think you might have me confused with Looper5920 - he's a totally different user ;) The reason I mentioned him in my message was your comment, where said to him that you were an artilleryman, is why I thought my request would be up your alley.

I'll defer to however you want to write the article - you're the expert so it's only proper that way. As I said on the featured article candidates page, I know vanishingly little about the subject, so I will not be of much help in writing it. I wasn't even aware the term itself was dated, but your idea of making artillery spotting a redirect to the more modern concept of Fire support coordination strikes me as a good one. If you think structuring the article chronologically would be the best way of doing it, that's the way it should be done. However, scope should definitely be a consideration - you don't want to replicate the contents of, for example, the artillery article. Now if you want illustrations and diagrams, you *cannot* go wrong with Inkscape - it's free, powerful, and fairly easy to use (especially if you spend 15 or 20 minutes doing the interactive tutorials). I'd be willing to try my hand at doing the illustrations for such an article, if you provide me with descriptions of what the illustrations you want.

To answer your other questions - I'm not a historian, but american and (modern) military history is a hobby (Besides CNN/MSNBC, the history channel is probably the one I watch most). And yes, I've been to Wiki-meetups. With one exception ("Wikimania" - the world-wide Misplaced Pages meetup organized by the Foundation) they tend to be small affairs of about 5 to 15 people, usually done at a restraurant over lunch or dinner. You can see a list of previous ones at wikipedia:meetup. Nobody dresses up, unless wearing my Misplaced Pages hoodie counts.

As far as the culture, Misplaced Pages has evolved as a true meritocracy - someone who shows himself to be capable of doing a job well tends to be left in charge of that job (And, as David Gerard noted - "On Misplaced Pages, the reward for a job well done is another three jobs.") In my case, for example, when we switched over to the current main-page layout in early 2004, the featured articles suddenly went from being a rather obscure backwater area of wikipedia to being very prominent. There were the obvious short-term needs (like some way of saying which article was going to be on the main page for each new day) and then there were the less-forseeable long term needs (for one person who could offer an authoritative opinion on featured-article related issues). I sort of "fell into" that role - I started doing it, no one complained, so I kept doing it. Misplaced Pages's culture has been influenceed by a multitude of other factors too, some philisophical, but many stemming from the specific experiences of the project (case and point - the arbitration committee). I'd be happy to go on about the subject in private.

When I put it on the main page, I did notice the TR article was quite good, although I didn't check to see who was responsible. Excellent work - I'm glad to hear they like it too. Raul654 08:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article

When the Joan of Arc article is featured on the main page on the 16th, I assume it will be protected from editing? The current main-page article, Equal Protection Clause, is being swamped with vandalism which began promptly after it was put up on the main page at 0:00 UTC.

I thought the procedure was to lock such articles during their 24 hours of fame, in order to prevent this problem?

No, we avoid protecting the main page featured articles (unless it is absolutely, positive necessary). See user:Raul654/protection for the explination. Raul654 12:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it may be necessary for the upcoming Joan of Arc article, which receives a fair amount of vandalism, insertion of strange ideas, etc, even under regular circumstances.

Well, that's par for the course. Absolutely, positively necessary means something along the lines of 5 or 10 vandalisms per minute using the log-in-log-out vandalism technique, sustained for the better part of an hour. (And if that sentence doesn't make sense, trust me, it's not a common situation) Raul654 13:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• Would have to agree about the definite increase in vandalism. The minute the article on Theodore Roovevelt was featured, ka-blam, a zillion vandalizations. Equally interesting, on the next day, the vandalism was greatly reduced. I think its some juvenile, "look what I can do!" thing. SimonATL 01:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you feel actual physical nausea every time this comes up again, Mark, or is it just me? ;-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• Probably just you BoG. You're not feeling nauseous are you Marcus Pelargonium (as we don't say in the old homeland). Anyhow, you know my views on the subject - I just shudder with horror when I envisage what will happen to BP on the 21st, is it fair to an old lady like HM? - ("God Save Her" indeed - she will need all the help she can get) which brings me neatly to Sanssouci can we have it soon - it's a real Wiki collaboration of minds and strangers. All that Wiki should be! Per favore. Li elemosino (as we do say in the old homeland) ;>D Giano | talk 18:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

BoG - repeatedly typing "No, see user:Raul654/protection" has caused me one type of physical pain ;) Raul654 00:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Fpopages

Template:Fpopages has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (I am telling you because you have edited it). Batmanand | Talk 22:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC) Sorry rush of blood to head. Ignore it. No longer listed. Batmanand | Talk 23:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Please come up with some award like the Purple Heart

But not the actual award. Think about it! It always given from a wound to a US service member and, unfortunately, it often is given for some horribly agonizing injuries suffered by good men and women in the service of the US military. Can't we use something else? I don't think its continued uses says much for our sensitivity to other people's pain. Sure, we use the word in the course of everyday conversation, but let's not trivialize it. No amount of Wiki "pain" and "suffering" can even approach what I've actually seen in the lives of some of these people. Consider our own article (that I assisted in developing), for example on Lewis Puller the triple amputee son of Marine, Chesty Puller who, despite his best efforts, couldn't overcome his Vietnam war wounds or the other scars that experience gave him. Let's come up with something LIKE it, but not it. Maj Simon USMCR. Thanks. SimonATL 01:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with your assertion that it trivializes others' pain, but I have gone ahead and removed it anyway. Raul654 18:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Spring celebration / Easter (as your preferences and beliefs dictate)

Guqin Recordings II

I've recorded and added three of my recordings to the guqin article. Hope they are fine. I might add more later when I get the time. --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 16:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Exellent. Raul654 11:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm very glad to see you got some sound samples on Guqin. I had a couple of questions - (1) Did you have any problems taking hte samples you recorded, converting them into ogg, uploading them, and linking from the article? Is there anything in the documentation that could be improved? (2) Now that I can hear what a Guqin sounds like, I am extremely curious - what would Pachelbel's Canon (my favorite piece of classical music) sound like on the Guqin? Raul654 11:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

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• There weren't any problems recording, converting and uploading the recording. I used Audacity. Mostly copied what other articles have done to link them to wiki. As for transcription of Western pieces into Qin music, that is easier said than done. Transcriptions from other genres into Qin music usually yields poor results; like trying to fit a square into a circle. --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 11:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Learning to use Vandalproof

I just didn't catch it! I was reviewing the VandalProof recent changes screen & this edit popped up so I reverted it. I have a dial-up (=very slow) connection because of which I didn't probably didn't see that edit in the recent changes refresh.

Thanks

Srikeit 18:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

(P.S I think your talk page archiving is long overdue. I just say this as my dial-up took nearly a minute to load your page!)

Torchic FAC

Dear Raul, an article I nominated recently (which has received a lengthy debate) was removed from the nomination page, among others. I was rather suprised, I didn't find out myself, someone actually told me. The nomination was too short to reach consensus and, after shorting out some problems, was beginnning to receive support. Apologies if you feel like I'm blaming on you, I noticed your never left an edit summary so it easily could have been a mistake, but it just isn't right. If you could please revert this it would be deeply appreciated. Cheers, Highway 10:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the the lack of an edit summary - I occasionally forget to leave one when promoting or removing nominations from the FAC. Also, about notification - I usually leave facfailed tagging to others.

Beyond that, the discussion was on the FAC for 5 or more days, which is the standard length of time an article stays on the FAC before being removed. I also must disagree with your assertion that it was reachign a consensus - there were numerous objections, and I didn't single a single support. Consequently, I do not think putting it on the FAC would be productive. I suggest you resolve the objections that have already been made (to the various objectors' satisfactions) and then renominate it at a later date. Raul654 11:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you actually see how many of the objections were "this isn't notable"? Highway 11:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I did see those, and I didn't take those into account. There were, however, numerous legitimate criticims made. Raul654 11:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The remaining objects were by Titoxd, who is on wikibreak, and the others were all being discussed. Highway 11:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, those problems might be under discussion, but suffice it to say, there are a lot of them and the article is apparently in need of a fair bit of editing. Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Torchic is already one of the longes,t most drawn outpages I can ever remember seeing on the FAC. FAC is not the place for doing significant overhauls of articles. So, as I said, please address teh problems that have been cited, and then renominate it again later. Raul654 11:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

All the problems had been fixed. Fine, I don't care, apparently Pokémon FACs only pass on the third attempt. Highway 11:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I also object to this being closed so early. If the discussion is long and ongoing, that's not a bad thing. Everyking 08:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Featured List canidate

Hi. Raul, could I ask you take a gander at Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of Mega Man weapons (2)...? I seem to have fixed everything amiss that's been brought up with the list, only to see no one has changed thier vote. I contacted them both on thier respective talkpages, but no sucess. Could I ask you to intervene...? I truly believe this list to be fit for featured list status. -Zero 11:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rudeness and WBT

I am not being rude. Personally, I believe that at this point most of the objections are picky and simply adding "extra spice". I am attempting in every way possible to address these objections, no matter what my opinion on them may be, that being good or bad. However, although I'm sure you're not interested, and will ignore this, I should alert you that HeyNow10029 and I are experiencing an edit war at Kelly Clarkson, and I think her objection is based on this, as it was last time. If you require elucidation that this may be the reason, see her comments at the current FAC for WBT. She is ignoring my suggestion and ranting about the bolded comment I made. Thank you and thank you, regardless of your decision(s). —Eternal Equinox | talk 00:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please don't misconstrue what I said. I objected and gave reasoning for my objection, you're taking all of this way too personally and making allegations against other people, it's uncalled for. HeyNow10029 00:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Candidate for spam blacklist

Raul, several anon IP's are persistently attempting to replace the official link for the Russian G8 summit with a link to a domain squatter ; can http://www.g8stpetersburg.com/ be added to the spam blacklist? For now I have the article semiprotected but would rather not have to do that for long. For more details see WP:RFP and the G8 article. · Katefan0/poll 16:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

barnstar

The Barnstar of Diligence For your amazing effort in raising (pun intended) Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima to a FA status. Superb work. Hbdragon88 05:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I added some refs and then went on vacation - when I came back, I was stunned at the added information and references to the article. Superb work. - Hbdragon88 05:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture to Commons?

Hi, I am translating the article about Attack on Pearl Harbor to Norwegian, and would like to use this map of the air attacks, is that possible? Can you move it to Commons? Ulflarsen 18:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I found the pic (plus some others) on Commons, so I managed myself. Ulflarsen 14:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Request

Hey there. I am going to be giving a presentation giving a general overview of wikipedia at a university nearby. Hopefully this will increase the popularity of tr.wiki as well as other wikis.

I was told that you are practicaly an expert in giving presentations explaining wikipedia so I was wondering if you could hint me where to start. Hopefully you wont find my direct aproach unconfortable.

--Cool Cat 01:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it depends very much on the point you are trying to make. I always start out with an introduction of what Misplaced Pages is and a general overview of how it works. Important points to make are:

• Misplaced Pages is a popular internet encyclopedia website. It is run by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation.
• Misplaced Pages is based on "wiki" software. Wiki software was invented by Ward Cunningham while on a trip to Hawaii. Wiki is hawaiian for "quick" (it's also the name of the bus service he used while on the trip). Wiki software is excellent for collaborative document editing.
• Misplaced Pages's model is counter-intuitive, or (as one unknown person put it), "the problem with Misplaced Pages is that it only works in practice. In theory, it's a disaster". However, numerous external peer reviews (Misplaced Pages:External peer review) have shown that our content is, on the whole, comparable to most other accepted sources.
• One of our primary missions is to make everything open and freely redistributable. That is to say, you can download the whole database and use it for more-or-less whatever purpose you want.

Beyond those points, it really depends on what the purpose of your talk is. I usually mine as a question-and-answer session. Raul654 16:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I want to prepare a powerpoint presentation. I was wondering if you had some I can disect. I'd love to have varisous statistics and graphs. --Cat out 11:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not, but there's a page on meta where others have put theirs. I cannot remember where it is off the top of my head. Raul654 13:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Presentations and m:Presentations. Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent :) Raul654 20:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

FARC

Yes, sorry. Obvious oversight that. Marskell 15:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Featured content

Hello Raul654, I have left a short note at the end of featured content's talk page. You might want to voice your opinion on the matter. Shyam 19:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

Why did this FAC fail? Every objection was dealt with and there was lots of support. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 20:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right - I made a mistake. Raul654 20:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

So how long will it stay listed? It seems like the conversation has died down. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 20:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll look at it again soon - I'm not going to let it hang there forever. Raul654 20:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Singapore

Just noticed that the FAC nomination for Singapore was just removed from the FAC list and no promotion nor archival occurred (though I asume that the latter was intended?). Tganks. — TKD::Talk 18:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Hrm, I don't see it in the archive - I'll take a look into it. Raul654 17:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. I had meant to restart the nomination (I wasn't happy with how it was proceeding). Raul654 18:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

FA Policies

I think you're really going to have to weigh in on the discussion, and decide if the procedures that Featured Article selection runs on are Policy, Guidelines or Essays. Since people are treating them as "policies which don't need to be policies". --Barberio 19:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Replied on talk:WIAFA. Raul654 18:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

delete

am i allowed to delete things off of my talk page? Slasher600 02:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Raul654.jpg

Just a note: A vandal messed with the image, and, as such, OrphanBot took note and tagged it as having no source. You probably want to retag it as {{GFDL-self}} or provide source information to keep it happy. — TKD::Talk 11:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Chicken in the pot believed compromised

SlimVirgin 04:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC) שכחתי את לחיצת היד הסודית אז זה צריך להספיק

Ambitious work on {{Template:Communism2}}

Although it may be ill-guided, I am working on making all Communism-related articles use the template I recently created of {{Template:Communism2}} rather than the traditional {{Template:Communism}}. Please assist me in making this change, as for some reason v-protection is used against {{Template:Communism}} and I cannot edit it. Thanx --NicAgent 22:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note re Brad Patrick

Hopefully he will be in a position to say yes to that latter request. Pcb21 Pete 16:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking O^O

It wasn't just his attempted DOS. Read his contributions. See also, . --Gmaxwell 21:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

He's wrong about Danny, but people aren't blocked for being wrong. I don't appreciate his edits wherein he implicitely called me a liar, but I'm being forgiving here and I hope he'll stop.

As far as the blacklist workaround, I've already reported it on bugzilla. He changed the links on that talk page so the page was editable (it was triggering the blacklist). I was going to remove (or otherwise break) the links myself, but he beat me to it, so I don't see any harm in what he did. (Frankly, I wish he had let me know this weeks ago so I could have gotten it fixed the first time around.) Raul654 21:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

(conflict) Oh, I see how you missed this before ... he removed the prior warning . OH. Did you read the link? he restored the links back to the article several times after he was instructed to discontinue. --Gmaxwell 21:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The timeline, as far as I can tell, is that I added wikitruth to the blacklist (16:22, 26 April 2006 UTC), he edited the wikitruth talk page so that it wouldn't trigger the blacklist (thus allowing people to edit it again), and you warned him a few minutes later. Avoiding the blacklist is bad, but I don't see any repeat offenses, and I don't think doing it so as to allow people to edit the page is bad (I was trying to do the same thing myself, although I would simply have broken or removed the links). Raul654 22:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure he did, . --Gmaxwell 22:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hrmm... that's problematic, but (IMO) I don't think it warrants a permanent block. Protecting wikitruth (which someone did) was a good call, and perhaps it might have been a good idea to give O^O a short cool-down block. Permanently blocking him is (again, IMO) not a good idea - it seems like an overreaction against someone who was espousing an unpopular (and wrong-headed) opinion. As I said below, I'm trying to calm the situation down, and this isn't the way to do it. Raul654 22:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I removed Wikitruth from the blacklist

Hopefully you arn't too offended - I did it in order to kill this overly-useless edit war fow now. People will resist less when there is something more definate. If you have a problem, let me know. As a side note keeping up with this site is as hard as keeping up with the latest programming language at times... so, I'll leave it to you for now. Just another star in the night 22:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Had you actually been interested in ending the editwar, as opposed to pushing your position, your actions should have been to simply do nothing because the page had been protected. Instead you unprotected the page to restart the conflict and sabotage the efforts to get a discussion going, then used that as an excuse to revert an edit made with the support of our attorney. In any case, it doesn't much matter because you're not going to be allowed to pull a stunt like that. --Gmaxwell 22:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Take it easy, Gregg. Amgine has reverted the blacklist on meta. I'm ducking out there and probably from the wikitruth talk page too - apparently my actions have inadvertantly started a forest fire, and I'd prefer it if everyone calmed down. RN - ditto - while well-intentioned, I think your actions are only going to inflame the situation. Raul654 22:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Very well, I wish this thing would end - it is very distressing. Just another star in the night 22:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry for distressing you, but I believe your actions were really out of line. It did not appear to me that you had any intention of discontinuing, but now that you've made it clear that you will I apologize for being so blunt. --Gmaxwell 22:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Now if only the rest of this situation could be thusly defused... Raul654 22:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Gmaxwell. Also, Raul if you think I was really out of line and it would help the situation I can submit myself for deadminship, as I don't use the extra abilities much anymore anyway (although I guess that would remove my meta adminship too....). Just another star in the night 23:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely not. I don't expect admins to be perfect; merely be able to recognize that they might have made a mistake. That's exactly what happened in this case. Raul654 23:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Cydebot bot flag

Hey there, Cydebot (talk · contribs) has been approved for a bot flag and I was wondering if you'd do the honors. Thanks. --Cyde Weys 22:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Raul654 23:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! May Cydebot delete a thousand userboxen in your name. --Cyde Weys 15:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Stability

Can you please come up with a stability requirment that is comprehensable to you, and does clearly state what you mean by stability? At the moment, it's a self referentaly defenition. --Barberio 19:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not see what is wrong with the current "Doesn't change much from day to day" defintion. It is most certainly not self-referential. Raul654 20:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that you're not making any exceptions for what you've said in talk page discusions on what would be acceptable. For example, at a plain reading, the section does bar current event articles even if they are updated in a reasionable manner. --Barberio 20:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

If a current events article is being in a "reasonable manner" (by which I presume you mean far, far fewer edits per day than, for example, this article) then I see no way that that requirement could bar them. However, the other requirements also specify that it doesn't omit any significant facts/details, which are often lacking from breaking events. Raul654 20:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

If it fails on the other requirments, then it fails on the other requirments. But it shouldn't fail due to a vauge application of the 'Stability' requirement. --Barberio 00:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You are the only person who appears to think it's vague. In point of fact, stability issues do not come up often, and when they are valid, it's usually abundantly clear that an article is not stable. Raul654 03:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

FARC and FAR

I was wondering if you had any comment on the current suggestion to merge WP:FARC and WP:FAR. There's a lengthy discussion on the FARC talk page at present and some significant (though not unanimous...) support. Marskell 21:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I saw the discussion, but I haven't been reading it closely. I am hesitant about the proposal - it seems like it might be a case of burning down the house to roast the pig. Raul654 08:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you do it up with pineapple and veggies...

The verbiage attending may seem to make it more complicated than it would be in practice. The quick notes in favour: solves the review period on talk page issue; should be less antagnostic; the weird act of nominating for removal something that you don't actually want removed would be avoided. Nothing actually gets nom'ed for removal. It gets brought up for review, with removal being one possible outcome. Marskell 14:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's a summary User:Marskell/Featured Article Review. When I first wrote it it was longer and really didactic but I've edited so that it's not straightjacket (I hope); obviously any detail can be changed, but the basic idea is to bring the review period into the process. For example, Worldtraveller's comment that he didn't want to wait longer to actually starting getting feedback wouldn't be an issue. Note, there are two alternatives for the last section. Marskell 19:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that makes it much clearer... I'm starting to warm to the proposal. Raul654 20:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I do have to say this seems incredibly obvious in hindsight. FARC isn't working as few are following the guideline of working things out on the talk page first. In a single page we can handle improvement and removal with the minimum of process and the least hostility. There are minor details to work out, but it seems a step ahead. - Taxman 23:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

And glad you found the Userpage more enlightening. I think I may have come out of nowhere and been over-eager, making it seem radical. At essence it's simple: as Tax says, improvement and removal in a single page. Marskell 14:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Arb Case Mistake

Hi, im confused about something said in a report on the Arbirition case against me.

In this report, it states that i had warred on Gothic Metal, and been placed on Probation. It also says i violated WP:CITE. I want to know how this came about, when both myself and User:Parasti provided diffs to me citing sources. It also says this as a 'finding of fact'. In which case, here is the speficic sections which falsly accuse me of not providing sources, and the evidence that supported this, and the accompnying diffs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Leyasu#Failure_to_cite_sources_and_original_research

Finding Of Fact Contrary To Provided Diffs

Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence, taken from Parasti's Evidence. Diff from Evidence, taken from Diff from Evidence, taken from Leys Evidence. Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence taken from Leys Evidence Diff from Evidence, Diff from Evidence, taken from Leys Evidence

I even went as far as to quoting and explaining the sources on the talk page, .

I got all these diffs from the archive of the Arbirition case, Here.

I just want to know why all eight claimed i provided no sources, even though another involved party provided diffs of me providing sources, and i repeatedly gave diffs of me supplying sources. Im not having a go, im just confused how 8 Arbirrators managed to claim a 'finding of fact' despite over 10 diffs from two different users =\ Ley Shade 15:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't participate in your case. However, your edits to the page do not contain sources, and the link you provided to the talk page (the one you claim contains your sources) doesn't actually contain sources either. Raul654 15:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for information.

Hello,

A year ago this week, you redirected Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Arbitration Committee noticeboard to its parent page. I was looking for all possible discussion boards within the "project space" when I noticed this. Could you please explain to me the rationale for this decision? You made a reference to Requests for Clarification in the edit summary; however, I could use some clarification on that. Cheers. Folajimi 15:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Requests for clarification is a section on the main RFAr page - see here Raul654 15:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this considered the new notice board? Folajimi 16:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand the question. The arbcom noticeboard was shortlived, and was used exclusively to do what hte current requests for clarification section does - allow people to request clarification of our rulings. Raul654 16:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You did an excellent job answering a question you did not understand! :) My intent to include it in the list of noticeboards used for the project is pointless since its raison d'être has been Overcome by events. At any rate, thanks a lot for your responses; it is greatly appreciated. Cheers. Folajimi 17:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Bob McEwen

Greetings, Raul!
Hope this message finds you well. I've put a notice on the talk page for Misplaced Pages:Tomorrow's featured article asking that my suggestion Bob McEwen not be featured until I can update it. I have been working on other things since it achieved featured status and there is material from the campaign that should be included. In addition, next Tuesday is the primary election and I'd like to include that as well. I will let you know when I add this additional material. PedanticallySpeaking 15:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Ironically, I was considering asking you about this. (Was it this edit that dropped the hint?) I was going to schedule for May 8 (and even did the write up, which is sitting here on my desktop ask I type this), but I saw that there's a primary on the 2nd so I didn't feel comfortable scheduling it until the article is updated. Raul654 16:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Heinlein Template

Hello. I'm not going to change your edits back again. I would just like to understand further what this policy is, as obviously edit summaries can't explain what you mean exactly. The reason I ask is because I have added this to other templates and will take them down if I am conviced that it violates policy. Thank you, Chuck 18:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Aside from creating an Encyclopedia, Misplaced Pages's main mission is to make the database re-usable outside of wikipedia (for other sites, like answers.com, for example). This necessitates keeping Misplaced Pages-related designations ("metadata") out of articles and templates used in articles. While the policy hasn't always been listened to (e.g, in the case of stub tags), I do try to remove any new instances I see - in this case, the Heinlien template. Raul654 18:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me...thanks, Chuck 23:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Featured article question

Good day Raul. I read your comment on the AfD for the PATRIOT Act article concerning using an article's featured article status as a basis for an AfD vote. Would you please elaborate for me? I'm unclear what you are referring to when you said "That perspective turns wikipedia policy (that any AFD-survivable article can be featured) on its head."

My vote was not saying that articles that are kept after an AfD vote can become featured. It is the other way around here -- a featured article being sent to AfD. Though I'm active on Misplaced Pages, I confess that I have not spent time in the featured article area, so I'd appreciate more information.

When I saw the article on AfD, I looked at the article and saw that it had featured status. From the featured article page, I read: "The featured articles are what we believe to be the best articles in Misplaced Pages. Prior to being listed here, articles are reviewed at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style according to our featured article criteria." I interpreted that to mean that the article had been reviewed, and consensus had been reached that it not only qualified for inclusion in Misplaced Pages, but it was one of the better articles in Misplaced Pages.

From the time of reaching featured article status to the time of AfD tagging, the article had only 3 edits - fixing linking to the House of Reprentatives and Senate judiciary committees, and "have an adverse effect of" to "hurt". So, to me, it was essentially the same article that reached featured status.

I look forward to learning more. Thanks. —ERcheck @ 23:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The policy we have adopted, vis a vis featured articles, is that any article that can survive AFD can theoretically become a featured article. It seems absurd then, to use an article's featured status as a defense against being deleted - it turns that policy around 180 degrees. Raul654 00:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Respectfully, I don't agree that it turns around the featured article concept, but rather honors it. Even though you don't expect to have FA act as a screen for an article being encyclopedic (i.e. not AfD), there is still peer review and consensus of those who participate that the article is a good article, in fact , as described in Misplaced Pages:What is a featured article?, "our very best work." It would be unseemly for an article that was given FA status to then be deemed worthy of deletion — would make that bronze star meaningless. If an article is one of the "best articles in Misplaced Pages", one should be able to assume that means it meets all of Misplaced Pages's policies — NPOV, verifiability, and No OR — and be worthy of existence. (I see that a number of Wikipedians who have weighed in the article also see FA status as important in their vote.) NPOV and verifiability are explicitly mentioned in the FA criteria. In the specific AfD that brought this up, the nomination is based on OR, which I would expect to be addressed by FA review. I acknowledge your objection, but also have a basic faith that those who review FA are steeped enough in Misplaced Pages policies to take note of OR. —ERcheck @ 01:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

As I said on the AFD page, the FAC checks for most things - including NPOV, NOR, 'etc - but the articles there are *assumed* to be "encyclopedic" (because I DO NOT want the FAC to became a second AFD). This assumption only makes sense if we are willing to, in principle, allow AFD nominations independent of the FA process (e.g, where FA status is not used as an argument in favor of inclusion). Raul654 01:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome Message,

Excuse me, May I ask you about something? I have a question about the way of finding new Wikipedian to send welcome message. Because I want to give new person(Who becomes wikipedian) a welcome message. Please, COuld you explain to me how? I will wait for your response. Daniel5127, 01:42, 2 May 2006(UTC).

Replied at User talk:Daniel5127#Finding new users to welcome. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Rick Block stole my thunder :) Raul654 02:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Fan edits

Greetings Raul! A few months ago I ventured into the dark, murky world of Resident Evil article editing. Resi has a massive fanbase as you are probably aware. At the time I completely rewrote and cleaned up Nemesis (Resident Evil) it was fairly good. More reliable, canonical content would have been appreciated, sure - but it was good. I speculated that it would be flooded with misspellings, misinformation, speculation and other such evil phenomena...anyway save for the occansional visit I left the article alone for awhile, and just now got around to a decent examination. The cynicism was justified, as a fully fledged comma whore has canvassed much of the article, as have dozens of other eager fans just wanting to make a difference. Now aside from a bit of sneak vandalism (now removed), these guys/gals have edited the article in good faith. Always assume good faith; Nemmy's article is a fine example of the workability of this assumption!

However, I was pondering the situation to myself as I partially cleaned up the said article - If an article subject is popular...but most of those likely to edit have good intentions but aren't experienced with Misplaced Pages/grammar...then what is the answer? I could camp the article, however many of the canonical details I put in are edited by misinformed persons, Ie. Whether the Raccoon City explosion was nuclear or not - it was not, as established in Outbreak...but lots of fans have not played Outbreak. Then theres time issue and other such considerations. There must be countless thousands of articles like this. Thus...seeking enlightenment this acolyte Wikipedian humbly requests a brief council with an admin. What is the answer? Is there an answer? Please do tell... - D-Katana 21:31 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/National Collegiate Athletic Association (Philippines)

Just asking why was it removed from the WP:FAC page. I didn't see either on the featured or failed logs. Was it failed? Circa 1900 02:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Oops - a mistake on my part. I have restored it. Raul654 02:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Circa 1900 03:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

$ ping

- Taxman 22:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thug Ride, again

Someone has added Thug Ride to the FAC list again, this time tampering with the previous vote history . Dmoon1 15:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

regarding "civility"

I was disgusted, but not terribly surprised, to see that six members of the Arbitration Committee -- Dmcdevit, Fred Bauder, JamesF/James D. Forrester, Sean Barrett/The Epopt, Charles Matthews and Jayjg -- condone hate speech and hateful epithets directed at the mentally disabled, and consider condemnation of that hate speech to be unacceptable behavior on Misplaced Pages -- behavior, in fact, so unacceptable that they say they find it a compelling reason to punish me.

I was a bit more surprised when an earlier form of this letter (differing only in describing the status of the pending arbitration, aside from this paragraph) was banned without explantion from the Misplaced Pages mailing list where such topics could supposedly be discussed. But I was appalled when discussions on that list, regarding a named editor, turned to open derision of the editor's supposed emotional/mental impairments, and that one Arbitration Committee member participated in the abuse.

As someone who has been involved for more than thirty years, professionally and nonprofessionally, in attempting to protect and to advance the rights of the mentally disabled, and as someone who for many years has served, and continues to serve as a guardian for such disabled members of my community. I find the use of such epithets grossly offensive; they are clearly inconsistent with Misplaced Pages's supposed commitment to civility. They form no part of civil discourse in any circumstances. They are particularly deserving of condemnation because they are directed toward, in very real terms attack, and have the greatest tendency to injure, a class of people who are less able, sometimes unable, to defend themselves, to resist the impact, or to respond on equal terms.

It should be no secret, no obscure facet of social fabric, that the mentally disabled, particularly the mentally retarded, are at greater risk than almost any other segment of a society. More likely to be the victims of physical attacks. More likely to be neglected by governments, particularly when their needs are greatest. In the relatively rare instances when they have substantial assets, they are more likely to have their assets stolen, particularly at the hands of those actors on whom a government has conferred power over them. They are more likely to be degraded and exploited by industries which purport to protect them and to serve their interests. More like to be the victims of sexual assaults, particularly of organized, group sexual assaults.

The casual use of such hateful epithets does not only harm the individuals it targets. It causes pain, often great pain to many others. It regularly inflicts pain on those with brothers and sisters, with parents, with children, with friends, with acquaintances, even with clients, who are abused and dehumanized by such behavior. It regularly inflicts pain on so many of those who deal, day by day, with lesser mental and emotional impairments, whether they choose to acknowledge those impairments, publicly or privately, or not.

I am quite proud that a self-styled community which apparently condones such behavior and condemns opposition to it finds me such a danger to it and its values that it is preparing to forcibly separate me from it. Nothing I have contributed to this curious place makes me more proud, and I doubt anything else could.

Monicasdude

Not licensed, no rights released

I haven't looked thoroughly at your situation (I am currently on break from the Arbitration committee as this is the buisiest time of year for me) but a quick look at the findings of fact shows that your comments have, in fact, been uncivil. The decision cites deletion-related discussions in particular. Personally, I avoid AFD like the plague, and my life has been significantly happier as a result. Might I suggest you redirect your energy into a more productive, less-confrontational area of wikipedia? (For example, the featured article canddiates page, where you have a track record of giving useful feedback). Raul654 18:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Two things

I was interested to read about the CFP-2006 conference in WP:SIGN/News and notes. Is there a transcript or a report or notes or something available somewhere?

You may be interested in these links on "How to Place a Company in the Misplaced Pages"(!) Gratifyingly, the results seem to be "you need to be NPOV" and "you need to be notable". Examples referred to are LabVIEW (kept, NPOV-ised) and Dollar Rent a Car Los Cabos (deleted via AFD as non-notable/advert). -- ALoan (Talk) 15:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

About the conference - better. I believe all the events in the grand ball room (including Vinge and Godwin's speeches) were video captured and webcast. I don't know where you can get a copy - I can email Lenny and ask. Raul654 15:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

About the companies-in-wikipedia - it does please me that they are afraid of using us as a PR tool. I hope the politicians take the hint. Raul654 15:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Coolcat,_Davenbelle_and_Stereotek

Hi, I think you may want to take a look at this as I feel Davenbelle may still be lurking. --Cat out 09:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Dilbert-IIT

Raul, you'd uploaded this image: Image:Dilbert IIT.jpg. It's very compressed and ugly. Is it possible for you to get a .png version instead? (Plz reply on my talk) =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it is not possible - I found that one on google images. It's too bad - I was actually looking for the one where Asok says he'll refrain from gratitious uses of his mental powers, like heating his cup of tea by holding it against his forehead ;) Raul654 15:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I wish we could get the image of the heating the tea cup one though. It's such a famous one! =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Egyptian soliders after crossing the Suez canal.jpg

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions. 01:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Raul654 01:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Add more informations on UN

Hi, Raul654. May I ask you about adding the article on UN? I think that there must be important world in article UN. Maybe, Someone already mentioned before. How about this sentence in article UN. UN was established in 1945. About establishment. Is it ok to add the information about establishment in article UN, and how United Nations UN was formed. That's all I ask you. Please, reply my question on my talk page. Thanks. Have a great day. Daniel5127, 03:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, You mean the establishment of UN is mentioned in History article in UN.

Daniel5127, 03:55, 14 May 2006(UTC).

Public Domain Music

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sound/list Hi, I want to use some of the music from the sound page in my film, but I'm not sure how to go about crediting the people that put it up or the license holder of the different pieces. Could you give me any help? Thanks for any help you can give me. Mattel84 15:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, first, I should mention that most of the music there is *not* in the public domain. It is copyrighted, and the terms for reuse are set in the license granted by the copyright holder. (See wikipedia:Copyright FAQ). What you have to do in order to comply with the license very much depends on which license the work(s) use(s). For the creative commons works, I suggest you look at the creative commons FAQ (and this answer in particular). Beyond that, I'm not a lawyer so I don't like to give legal advice. Raul654 16:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Electrostatic induction

I can see from your profile that you are an "engineer" of sorts - perhaps you can help expand that article, which is in need of more information by an expert. Thanx --NicAgent 21:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do - but definitely not before the 24th. Raul654 22:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Highway's RfA

FAC on zoophilia

I see we're both working on this article. To avoid mis edits I figured I'd mention where I'm at, give you a heads up.

I'm not as clued in on style, the areas I'm looking into are content and struucture. So for example, citations, and moving legal and religion out to their own articles. A draft of the "legal" is at http://en.wikipedia.org/User:FT2/draft_laws but I'm not happy with it, the content is good, the structure's not unreasonable, but the flow is somehow diabolical right now. I haven't moved the core content over yet. Could you look at this and see if you're able to help knock it into shape a bit, before I go further? It'd be appreciated :)

As for the rest, I'll look at your edits tomorrow, and if I see anything positive to add I will, obviously.

I'm still apprehensive on the article's FAC-ness, but I am assuming you wouldn't be putting this work in if you thought it was pointless. So if you can, I can too. I'll do the best I'm able. Its been a tough and initially unfamiliar subject to research well, though. FT2 (Talk) 02:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit - Would it make sense to move the bibliography to a separate article? "Bibliography and reference sources on zoophilia"? It's quite sizable in its own right. How does that go down, style-wise? FT2 (Talk) 04:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

No, keep the bibliography in the article. Raul654 04:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Question on FA about "offensive" topics

Mark,

I recall that there have been quite a few debates about whether articles about "offensive" (primarily sexual) topics should be able to gain featured status, and if so, whether they should be featured on the Main Page. However, I'm not sure what the outcome of these debates has been and I haven't found clues in the policy pages either. Do articles about "offensive" topics receive any kind of special treatment when it comes to featured status or Main Page content? Thanks,--Eloquence* 09:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

No to the former, yes to the latter. In other words, as far as awarding featured status, the rule we have adopted is that any article which could survive a trip to AFD could theoretically become a featured article (for the purpose of FAC, we simply assume that anything that is nominated could survive AFD).

As far as main page content, there are a *few* featured articles (there's no official list anywhere - it exists solely in my head) that will never appear on the main page. As of now, there are about 4 articles that fit this bill, sort of. Misplaced Pages will definitely never appear as a main page featured article because I consider it to be extremely gratitious self-advertisement. Caulfield Grammar School (a run of the mill high school) I am very hesitant to ever putting on the main page because I believe it very likely to inflame the high school deletionism/inclusionism wars; Hopkins School (a somewhat more notable high school) I am a bit hesitant about putting on the main page but I might give it a shot for May 30th which has been requested by the article's author; Memory Alpha I am still undecided about for reasons that are valid but hard to describe (basically it amounts to the fact that it would be confusing and/or look bad that we are advertising a relatively unimportant site, and another wiki at that, and one affiliiated with Wikia at that) Raul654 14:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

PS - I was pleased that the Prostitution in the PRC article (the FA from 2 or 3 days ago) was well received. I don't think I saw anyone complain about the racey content. Raul654 15:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)