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#'''Support''' I've dealt with INeverCry in his administrative capacity at Commons. Seems sane and reasonable. Based on his answers to questions, I have no reason to think he won't be sane and reasonable with the mop here. —] (]) 10:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC) | #'''Support''' I've dealt with INeverCry in his administrative capacity at Commons. Seems sane and reasonable. Based on his answers to questions, I have no reason to think he won't be sane and reasonable with the mop here. —] (]) 10:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
#'''Support''' More than useful on Commons --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 15:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC) | #'''Support''' More than useful on Commons --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 15:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
#Yes. Seems solid and reasonable. The only issue I saw in recent contributions was the reverting and warning an IP incident already mentioned, and INeverCry appears to have learnt from that. ''']''' ''']''' 16:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
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INeverCry
Voice your opinion on this candidate (talk page) (43/4/0); Scheduled to end 08:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Nomination
INeverCry (talk · contribs) – Hello English Misplaced Pages community. I am one of INeverCry's colleagues on Commons. Today I am delighted to nominate him for adminship here. INeverCry is a good contributor here with over 34000 edits and holds autopatrolled, filemover, rollbacker, reviewer rights. He has created 88 articles, writed 1 GA, 2 DYK. INeverCry is also an great admin on Commons with over 65000 edits and 50000 admin tasks in the last 6 months, which indicates that most of deletions are performed by him. I think he will work efficiently with files stuffs and transfer them to Commons when he has the mop. He has accepted my nomination here but I will leave him a message about this RfA on en.wiki. Thank all of you for your participation Morning Sunshine (talk) 05:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Co-nomination by Hahc21
I first came across INeverCry when my interest in free image and the policy about images arose last year. Since then, I have only been pleased by the successful work he does at Commons, and his impressive record here on the English Misplaced Pages. As an specialist in files, I believe that entrusting Cry with the tools will be more than a net positive for the project. he is a solid user with very much content and admin experience and, with our shortage of administrators recently, I am completely sure that the mop suits very well for many of the tasks and things he does. Therefore, I am honoured to present this co-nomination. — ΛΧΣ 06:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I'm honored to accept this nomination. INeverCry 08:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I'm interested in moving files to Commons. My primary activity on Commons is tagging and deleting copyvio images and handling deletion requests, and so I have alot of experience with image copyright. I would also be available to help with CSD. On Commons I delete a considerable number of test pages, vandalism pages and talkpages, user requested deletions, and promotional pages, and believe I could help with this here. I've performed about 400 blocks on Commons of vandals, copyright violaters, socks, etc, and so I could help with that. I participate quite a bit on the various admin notice boards on Commons, and could help here in that area. In my role as an admin on Commons I deal with alot of users questioning deletions or reporting vandalism and other problems to me, and I always deal with these questions in a calm, respectful manner. I would do the same here on Misplaced Pages. If given adminship here I'm willing to help where needed, and would look at other areas of admin action as I gain experience. I would also note that when I'm not sure about an issue or how to go about something, I ask other more experienced users or admins for advice.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
- A:My best single article is George Crabbe, which I plan to bring to GAN once and for all after I'm able to update it with the new 2004 bio of him. I also helped my friend User:Antiquary clean up and promote The Story of Sigurd the Volsung and the Fall of the Niblungs to GA. Mary Lamb is pretty good, as is James Hogg. I've done some work on Elizabeth Gaskell and Wilkie Collins, and I plan to do big expansions of both in the future. I usually work on Russian lit articles with my Russian friend User:Evermore2 like Nikolai Leskov and Aleksey Konstantinovich Tolstoy, and shorter ones like Georgy Adamovich. I've done some small ones of my own like Lidia Veselitskaya, and Maria Arbatova. I'm proud of the List of Russian-language writers too.
Aside from that, I've done alot of Wikiproject assessments, copyedits, other gnomish stuff, and I've created 71 writer navboxes.
- A:My best single article is George Crabbe, which I plan to bring to GAN once and for all after I'm able to update it with the new 2004 bio of him. I also helped my friend User:Antiquary clean up and promote The Story of Sigurd the Volsung and the Fall of the Niblungs to GA. Mary Lamb is pretty good, as is James Hogg. I've done some work on Elizabeth Gaskell and Wilkie Collins, and I plan to do big expansions of both in the future. I usually work on Russian lit articles with my Russian friend User:Evermore2 like Nikolai Leskov and Aleksey Konstantinovich Tolstoy, and shorter ones like Georgy Adamovich. I've done some small ones of my own like Lidia Veselitskaya, and Maria Arbatova. I'm proud of the List of Russian-language writers too.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A:I had a bit of a disagreement a few months ago with User:Dennis Brown over my reverting and warning an IP and his admonishing me about it. I had strong feelings about it, but the whole thing was handled in a respectful way by both of us. I do feel I over-reacted a bit though. I took some time off to think about it and I've taken it as a learning experience. Dennis and I have interacted a few times since then on Commons with no issues, and I would think he looks at it as water under the bridge just as I do. Other than that I'm usually very calm and collected no matter what the situation, and I do my best to be friendly and respectful with other editors. Over my 3 years of activity here, I've had a few minor arguments but nothing else I'd call a conflict.
- Additional questions from Tito Dutta
- 4. I have already supported and I don't think I am going to change my vote unless something exceptional happens. I am aware of your work (both here and Commons) for a few months now, and actually I was thinking to ask you to consider to have yourself nominated for adminship!
My only question is, you are a Commons admin too, surely you can understand adminship in Misplaced Pages will bring extra workload! (yes, I know there are few editors who are admin in both Misplaced Pages and Commons) How'll you manage so much work? This is an unpaid work after all! I am quite sure, you have already thought of it and planned something! I am interested to learn your thoughts!- A:I do a high volume of work on Commons, but lately I've been getting a bit more help on the daily DRs, which has freed up some time. I usually do a large volume of DRs and Mass DRs of out of scope images, but I can cut down on these a bit if needed as they aren't high-priority like copyvio images are. In general, I have alot of time to work on Commons and here, and will do my best to be as efficient as possible.
- Additional questions from 27.251.75.18 (talk)
- 5. You have mostly automated edits here. In past year you have identified only around 15 vandal edits. Also why would you call http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Pussy_Riot&diff=next&oldid=507333928 as vandalism? Why would you tag http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Becky_%28television_personality%29&diff=prev&oldid=501177814 as vandalism? Please tell.
- A:I've done about 15000 WP assessments, which are automated to a certain degree, but my edits to articles like George Crabbe, Mary Lamb, and Nikolai Leskov or Ivan Bunin have taken 100s of hours of time and alot of reading/research. I would say my edit count is just about even, with half automated and half not. In regard to the two reverts you refer to, I was mistaken in tagging them as vandalism, as one was a BLP issue and the other an NPOV issue as Kiefer says below. I've learned from these and will be more careful in future when patrolling RC.
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- Additional questions from Rcsprinter (gossip) @
- 6. If elected administrator, would you be willing to provide copies of deleted articles to those who request it? If so, would you do this often at WP:RfU or just requests made directly to yourself?
- A:This isn't something I intend to do right away. I'd rather wait on this untill I've had time to become more familiar and experienced with the workings of AFD and PROD, and with the deletion and undeletion policies.
- Additional questions from Fluffernutter
- 7 I read this position of yours with some worry. It's your right to feel that your privacy is so important to you that you'd resign from a position if the mere possibility of losing it came up, of course, but I want to make sure you're aware and that you've considered that being an administrator on this project can, and almost certainly eventually will, make you enemies who will make an effort to find your real-life identity. Are you comfortable with that possibility? How do you plan to cope with it if such a thing occurs - will you retain your adminship?
- A:I see that as an accepted risk attached to adminship, which I'm aware of and am willing to accept here, and have accepted as a Commons admin. The expectation for OTRS is strict privacy for volunteers and the people they deal with by email, and this was why the proposal bothered me. I've deleted around 60000 images and pages as an admin on Commons and blocked around 400 accounts, including socks, so I'm sure I've already made some enemies. If I were bothered by someone or harrassed I would, if needed, get help and advice from fellow admins, stewards, etc, or follow the guidelines in Misplaced Pages:Harassment. I would definitely keep my adminship and stand up to any harassment or attempted intimidation.
- Additional questions from Carrite:
- 8. On Sept. 21, 2012 you ran up a banner on your Misplaced Pages talk page announcing you had "Semi-Retired." DIFF. Now barely more than 4 months later you are back at WP and seeking the enhanced tool kit. What was the cause of your "semi-retirement"? What made you change your mind?
- A:This was a result of the disagreement I referred to in question 3 about conflicts above, and which is mentioned in Dennis's support vote #9 below. During this time I took a break from editing here and was highly active in my work as an administrator on Commons. As I stated above, I think it was a bit of an over-reaction on my part, but in the end I wasn't able to stay away for very long.
- 9. You are, I take it, an administrator at Commons. What is your interpretation of the oft-repeated slogan "Misplaced Pages is Not Censored" with respect to images?
- A:To me this means that images should be dealt with according to their educational value and potential use in articles, their compliance with image policies, and their copyright/licensing status, and not according to the personal beliefs or opinions of individual editors.
- 10. Do you believe that the arguments of some Misplaced Pages critics that Commons is (among other things) a warehouse of pornography with no plausible encyclopedic value has merit? If so, what have you done to correct this situation? If not, why do you think this criticism is invalid?
- A.I don't agree with this at all. I've patrolled and reviewed tens of thousands of images, and I've found explicit images to be only a small part of the vast collection of images we have on Commons. I've seen great images of everything from sports and cars to nature scenes and buildings, from animals and plants to rocks and trees, from coats of arms and maps to drawings and paintings, and images of people ranging from celebrities to soldiers serving overseas.
- 11. Have you ever edited Misplaced Pages under any other user name or names? If so, what were these?
- A.No. INeverCry is the only name I've edited under.
General comments
- Links for INeverCry: INeverCry (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for INeverCry can be found here.
- Edit stats are on the talk page. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 08:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.
Discussion
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Support
- Strong support: Excellent candidate! --Tito Dutta (talk) 08:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support experienced on Commons, and I've seen the candidate make insightful comments on the English Wikivoyage as well, so I'm sure they can understand the differences in local policies. --Rschen7754 08:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support: of course, I'm the nominator Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- support. Administrative experience on commons and writing experience here. He misused "vandal" to refer to a badly POV edit to a badly POV article on Pussy Riot, noted in an above question; unless he has repeatedly made this mistake after having been notified about "vandalism" on en:WP, one incident is not a serious issue. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- At least when I started editing Misplaced Pages, calling an edit which contained "evil Putin conspired with other anti-Western Russians" and "Putin's Moscow, full of drunkards, homeless people, criminals and Russians" vandalism would have been completely acceptable. These edits are far more harmful than "asdfghasjfnaks" style vandalism. - filelakeshoe 14:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. I stopped reading after the first sign of nationalist nuttiness and hadn't seen the ravings you quoted. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- At least when I started editing Misplaced Pages, calling an edit which contained "evil Putin conspired with other anti-Western Russians" and "Putin's Moscow, full of drunkards, homeless people, criminals and Russians" vandalism would have been completely acceptable. These edits are far more harmful than "asdfghasjfnaks" style vandalism. - filelakeshoe 14:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support - Great candidate for admin. He has his admin experience from commons and have also been doing great work in english wikipedia. I don't see any reason to oppose this editor. Torreslfchero (talk) 11:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Being an admin on commons is a good reason for me to support, though you don't have to be an admin on any wiki to move images to commons. However you have lots of experiance, so good luck. –BuickCenturyDriver 12:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support I have no problems - should be trusted with the mop! Brookie :) { - he's in the building somewhere!} 12:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- --LlamaAl (talk) 13:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support I have had a number of interactions at Commons with INeverCry a few months after we seriously butted heads here at enwp, an incident where neither of us were perfect but I accept the lion's share of blame. It would have been easy for him to take a different approach but he acted professionally towards me afterwards as an admin at Commons and I would expect no less from him here. Plenty of clue, obviously here to build an encyclopedia, and has good general experience as an admin already. Like the rest of us, he isn't perfect, but after interacting with him in both mundane and heated circumstances, I have no problem trusting him with the tools. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support, based on my generally positive interaction with the candidate, both here and on Commons.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:06, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support as co-nom. — ΛΧΣ 14:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support Unusual to see almost a thousand edits to an article by one user (List of Russian-language novelists) and a lot of these should have been marked minor (really minor), but that's no reason to oppose an RfA. Commons experience and saying he'll walk before he runs are both points in the candidate's favour, and his talk page archives show frequent positive interaction, hence support Jebus989 14:31, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, we definitely need more admins comfortable with image copyright. Support. - filelakeshoe 14:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support, excellent candidate. — Cirt (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support. This candidate would provide an important bridge between Commons and EnWiki, and would bring this project some much-needed expertise on a subject many are unfamiliar with. Their primary goal in seeking adminship reflects this. On my one encounter with this person in the past, involving an image on Commons, they responded promptly and courteously to my request, and then followed up with me when the problem recurred - really going the extra mile. --MelanieN (talk) 16:24, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support per Dennis Brown. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 16:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 17:20, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support. I see no difficulty trusting that similar experience elsewhere will allow effectiveness here. GaramondLethe 18:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support I'm tempted to oppose, simply because he's so active with deletions at Commons and because so few other people are — I don't want him to be distracted by admin tasks over here :-) This many edits shows that he's gotten a bit of experience, and his record at Commons shows that he's quite capable of being an administrator. I do hope you don't reduce your activity at Commons, but you'll do a good job here and should have the tools. Nyttend (talk) 19:15, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support I see the candidate at Commons a lot. While I'm sympathetic to the observation of limited AfD involvement, I'm also aware that candidate is mainly interested in Commons related activity, and is unlikely to be active in AfD. While we don't put limits on such activity, candidates experience convinces me that any such actions will be only be done after getting fully up to speed.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support Dennis Brown's support following a dispute (and the candidate's admission that the situation should perhaps have been handled differently) are indicative of the candidate's suitability as an en.WP admin. Miniapolis 19:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC) The underlying OTRS issue is a typical case where one can invent reasonable positions either way and the user was not the only support team member unhappy about it on grounds. Having considered that, I don't see any reason to oppose this request and therefore I'm with Dennis Brown this time
- Support per Dennis Brown. TBrandley 20:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support because I see no reason not to. The issues raised on the oppose section do not concern me. Someguy1221 (talk) 21:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support One thing that I was happy to see was that you recognized that you may not have handled a dispute in the best way possible. I'm not saying that it was good that you may not have handled a dispute in the best way possible, but at least you didn't say that it was all the other editor's fault and you were totally okay about it. I am also pleased to see that Dennis Brown himself is fine with having you with the tools. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 21:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support As sysop on Commons INeverCry is very active, just see here. If he does 10% of the actions here, my vote will have already been worthwhile. Good luck. Érico Wouters 23:21, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Strong Support Well I sort of expected to see Sven support because this appears to be a candidate right in his neighborhood. I disagree with Bwilkins on this candidate. This isn't an AFD candidate. This is a files candidate. So AFD !votes on notability should not have any bearing on the candidate. Files issues should. As a commons admin, I think this user is qualified to handle files on the English Misplaced Pages. Their assistance could be useful on WP:FfD and WP:CSD for files. It's nice to have rounded administrators, I think, but it's also nice to have admins with a specific niche. This one does and I think he'd be an asset.--v/r - TP 00:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- If I ever become a single issue voter, please shoot me. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, sure, why not? ;) Kurtis 01:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Sure, there are some animosities between en.wiki and Commons (though I've not been part of them myself). But the way to address that is by building bridges, not barriers. And from everything I see, I'm confident that INeverCry will prove an asset to inter-wiki cooperation and goodwill. Oh, and someone who understands image copyright is always welcome, in my view. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support as per Boing! said Zebedee – my thoughts exactly. Also, general breadth of experience renders INeverCry more than able to handle some extra responsibilities. Airplaneman ✈ 01:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Competent user with admin related experience. No problems here. Commons and Enwiki are similar in their admin tasks per Boing! said Zebedee. Vacation9 03:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Happy to Support; I am familiar with their work on the Commons and think they are ready to take on more admin tasks. This user is one of the people who gets it. -- Dianna (talk) 03:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Moved from 'neutral' based on the support from some of my respected colleagues. The concerns expressed in my neutral statement still stand, that is, that the candidate does not provide me with sufficient metrics to meet my criteria. On the other hand, as stated, I have no reason to believe this editor would misuse the tools or his privileges of judgement. As all admins probably do most of their serious learning on-the-job, I am confident that for what he does not know already or is unsure of, he will indeed either ask for advice or watch carefully how we do things here before acting. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- +1 Support No problems here. INeverCry is an excellent admin on Commons and the user has a lot of administrative experience. I definitely think INeverCry would be an excellent admin on the english Misplaced Pages as well. Webclient101 05:31, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support - I think his experience with files and on the Commons will make him a good addition to the admin team, and his answers to the questions are satisfactory for me. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Will make an excellent admin. Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support – I know INeverCry from Commons. He is very friendly and well competent. He has willingness to put in the extra effort to resolve your requests/needs. He understands Wikimedia tools which are almost same on all the projects. Good track record here on English Misplaced Pages, if not exceptional. Honestly, I see no reason why he should not be admin. — Bill william compton 06:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support I've known INeverCry for a while both here and in the commons. He was always nice and encouraged me to do more work. I believe he would be one of the better admins rather than borderline. Mohamed CJ (talk) 06:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Strong support. Willingness to help, full competence, lots of common sense, excellent track record, - all the good things abound. -- Evermore2 (talk) 07:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support; I feel comfortable with this user being an admin (and I would be happy to welcome them back to OTRS as well, for that matter!) Andrew Gray (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support I've dealt with INeverCry in his administrative capacity at Commons. Seems sane and reasonable. Based on his answers to questions, I have no reason to think he won't be sane and reasonable with the mop here. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support More than useful on Commons --Herby 15:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. Seems solid and reasonable. The only issue I saw in recent contributions was the reverting and warning an IP incident already mentioned, and INeverCry appears to have learnt from that. SilkTork 16:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Oppose
- Unfortunate oppose 21 !votes in AFD's does not give me the ability to see their understanding of en-Misplaced Pages's deletion processes. A lack of activity at the admin-ish areas here (AN/ANI/etc) concerns me, as it's significantly different than at Commons. The edit count here on EN is quite low over the last few months - a significant drop (likely due to duties on Commons). Speaking of Commons, it's a festering cesspool (based on the number of complaints at Jimbo's page), and something that needs significant work to bring it up to scratch - that is where I would use my skillsets if I were INeverCry. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't understand. INeverCry has done some wonderful work at Commons supporting such respected luminaries as Russavia, mattbuck and Cirt. He has an excellent grasp of Common's copyright standards.101.119.29.36 (talk) 00:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. After reading the nomination describing INeverCry's Wikimedia Commons work, and the answer to question 1, I was expecting a strong history of contribution to WP:FFD. I found one proposed deletion, one AfD !vote and (I think) a CSD tag in August 2012. There were a number of AfD !votes in July 2012 and a handful of earlier AfD !votes. I believe that WP:FFD would be the best place for INeverCry's admin skills. However he has little experience with deletion in Misplaced Pages. Axl ¤ 11:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Regretful oppose The conditions around the candidate's recent resignation from OTRS lead me to oppose. The candidate chose to give up his/her access because he/she did not like a discussion that was happening on the OTRS wiki; even though the action INeverCry disagreed with has no chance of happening, that there was even a discussion on it was enough for the candidate to decide that he/she no longer wanted to be a part of the OTRS community. While INeverCry did not to anything objectively wrong in this case, and most certainly did not break any OTRS rules, if a toothless discussion is enough to make the candidate leave a project/process, that doesn't really make me comfortable with his/her general mindset. The OTRS wiki is only accessible to OTRS members. The thread being discussed is here. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I see the resignation, but where is the discussion that led to it? NW (Talk) 16:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Sven. That there was a proposal/discussion involving OTRS admins in which the possible making of a list containing personal info, and most importantly real name info of OTRS volunteers, is something I feel was atleast partly inappropriate, regardless of the possibility of implementation or lack therof. I don't feel that OTRS volunteers should have to worry at all about the possibility of such a release of personal info. INeverCry 16:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Having seen the thread, I think it was more miscommunication than anything. --Rschen7754 17:21, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Except it's not. INeverCry just made that clear. Leaving OTRS because of a belief that a conversation shouldn't happen is exactly the reason I'm opposing. I'm not saying you have to agree with my reasoning, but it's not just miscommunication. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:21, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Having seen the thread, I think it was more miscommunication than anything. --Rschen7754 17:21, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Sven. That there was a proposal/discussion involving OTRS admins in which the possible making of a list containing personal info, and most importantly real name info of OTRS volunteers, is something I feel was atleast partly inappropriate, regardless of the possibility of implementation or lack therof. I don't feel that OTRS volunteers should have to worry at all about the possibility of such a release of personal info. INeverCry 16:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Cry is a good editor, but since he had health issues recently, I feel that all possible disputes will damage him physically and perhaps even psychically. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 17:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)- Hi GOP. I appreciate the concern, but my health is much better than it was 6 months ago due to medical treatment. I think my steady work on Commons in the last 4 or 5 months will show that I'm strong and able to handle the kind of situations you're referring to. INeverCry 18:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, fair enough. I have stricken out my oppose. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 18:21, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I see the resignation, but where is the discussion that led to it? NW (Talk) 16:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose - no confidence, sorry. --A.Savin (talk) 11:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Why not? GiantSnowman 11:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- In the absence of any further clarification, can we assume this is relevant? QuiteUnusual 11:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm. If I was braver I'd strike A.Savin's vote. GiantSnowman 12:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- I would think A.Savin is probably unaware of the damage such voting has been doing to RfA as a process. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:40, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm. If I was braver I'd strike A.Savin's vote. GiantSnowman 12:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- In the absence of any further clarification, can we assume this is relevant? QuiteUnusual 11:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Why not? GiantSnowman 11:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Neutral
Neutral(for now)Movig to support. INeverCry appears to be an excellent contributor and admin on Commons, and has impressive content work on Misplaced Pages. However, what a candidate does on another Foundation project is only part of the assessment and I need to know how he would perform if given the set of admin tools here. Hence, his contributions to the traditional admin related areas here, whether those that would require the use of tools or those that require the judgement entrusted to admins, fail to meet my criteria. This is not a statement in any way of mistrust, but I need sufficient metrics to be able to apply to make an evaluation at least on aggregate, and that especially demonstrate an understanding of CSD, PROD, AfD, and AIV. I am also concerned with the vandalism reverts mentioned by the IP user (who incidentally has only made a total of 32 edits to Misplaced Pages). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)- With CSD, we have something similar on Commons, which is the creation of galleries, userpages, and file talk pages that are promotional, tests, vandalism, etc. I delete a large number of these and do alot of patrolling of new pages on Commons, and I think that experience would help me here. As for AFD, and PROD, I wouldn't be at all heavily involved in those in the near future. My usual practices are to observe how other more experienced editors/admins handle things and be careful to learn from them, and to ask for advice if I'm not sure exactly what should be done in a certain situation. With AIV, I would be careful handling cases, and at the start leave anything I had doubts about to more experienced admins. I do have a good ammount of experience on Commons with responding to concerns at ANV and concerns brought to me at my userpage. INeverCry 17:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Kudpung, for what it is worth, my experience with Commons shows that he can be decisive but not reactionary, hesitating when he wasn't sure. Based on my experience with him, I don't think he will go maverick, and his experience in files and coordinating with Commons is sorely lacking in the enwp admin corp, so obviously he will be a net plus in that area. Commons isn't enwp, and the policies are very different but I'm confident he will ask first when he isn't sure, just as he does at Commons. My perception is that he has good clue, and that is enough to stop him from doing really dumb things until he is up to speed in new areas. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- With CSD, we have something similar on Commons, which is the creation of galleries, userpages, and file talk pages that are promotional, tests, vandalism, etc. I delete a large number of these and do alot of patrolling of new pages on Commons, and I think that experience would help me here. As for AFD, and PROD, I wouldn't be at all heavily involved in those in the near future. My usual practices are to observe how other more experienced editors/admins handle things and be careful to learn from them, and to ask for advice if I'm not sure exactly what should be done in a certain situation. With AIV, I would be careful handling cases, and at the start leave anything I had doubts about to more experienced admins. I do have a good ammount of experience on Commons with responding to concerns at ANV and concerns brought to me at my userpage. INeverCry 17:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Neutral leaning Supportfor now while I further investigate the user, per Kudpung and some of the opposes. Vacation9 20:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)- Moved to support. Vacation9 03:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)