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			== Competition on the pastirma and sujuk market ==

			The same user opened two articles ''Miran Pastourma'' (this one) and ] on two pastirma and sujuk artisans (later businessmen) from ], ], lately. (Thanks.) Both people were ethnic ] from ]. Both first came from Kayseri to ] and moved their pastirma-sujuk business. One (the latter) stayed in Istanbul and continues business since 1920 there. The other, for some reason moved to Athens in '''1922'''. According to the article, Miran came ('''escaped''') to Athens ''allegedly'' (I added) due to something horrible which I will not write down here because I do not agree with the term used in the article; so let me write it in ]: 1915 "Ermeni tehciri". Now I am very confused: Two families of Ottoman Armenians move from the Turkish city of Kayseri to the Turkish city of Istanbul in the same years. One family sets up their pastirma-sujuk business there and achieves a great commercial success. The other, for some reason, "escapes" to Athens only two years after the first family sets up its business in Istanbul. Could the reason of the escape be "competition"? If there was such a great risk for pastirma and sujuk producers in Istanbul in the 1920s why did not the Apikoğlu brothers not escape out of Turkey together with the Miran family and open a "charcuterie" say in ] or ], where there is a large Armenian community, who, like all other Ottoman people would make a good client market for the pastirma and sujuk, Kayseri style? I removed the so-called reason of Miran's "escape" from Istanbul from the article because it did not seem convincing to me for the above explanation. My edit was reverted and nobody made an effort to "seriously" source that "story". Could it be possible that Miran invented an escape story so that the people of Athens would have more sympathy to his "charcuterie" and buy more pastirma and sujuk from Miran's place? Please add reliable sources that Miran ''really'' "escaped" from Turkey for the reasons claimed in this article. --] (]) 17:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Did you know... that Miran Pastourma has been serving Pastourma in Athens for over 90 years?

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Competition on the pastirma and sujuk market

The same user opened two articles Miran Pastourma (this one) and Apikoglu Brothers on two pastirma and sujuk artisans (later businessmen) from Kayseri, Turkey, lately. (Thanks.) Both people were ethnic Armenians from Ottoman Turkey. Both first came from Kayseri to Istanbul and moved their pastirma-sujuk business. One (the latter) stayed in Istanbul and continues business since 1920 there. The other, for some reason moved to Athens in 1922. According to the article, Miran came (escaped) to Athens allegedly (I added) due to something horrible which I will not write down here because I do not agree with the term used in the article; so let me write it in Turkish: 1915 "Ermeni tehciri". Now I am very confused: Two families of Ottoman Armenians move from the Turkish city of Kayseri to the Turkish city of Istanbul in the same years. One family sets up their pastirma-sujuk business there and achieves a great commercial success. The other, for some reason, "escapes" to Athens only two years after the first family sets up its business in Istanbul. Could the reason of the escape be "competition"? If there was such a great risk for pastirma and sujuk producers in Istanbul in the 1920s why did not the Apikoğlu brothers not escape out of Turkey together with the Miran family and open a "charcuterie" say in Salonica or Marseilles, where there is a large Armenian community, who, like all other Ottoman people would make a good client market for the pastirma and sujuk, Kayseri style? I removed the so-called reason of Miran's "escape" from Istanbul from the article because it did not seem convincing to me for the above explanation. My edit was reverted and nobody made an effort to "seriously" source that "story". Could it be possible that Miran invented an escape story so that the people of Athens would have more sympathy to his "charcuterie" and buy more pastirma and sujuk from Miran's place? Please add reliable sources that Miran really "escaped" from Turkey for the reasons claimed in this article. --E4024 (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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	{{dyktalk\|22 January\|2013\|entry=... that ''']''' has been serving ] in Athens for over 90 years?}}		{{dyktalk\|22 January\|2013\|entry=... that ''']''' has been serving ] in Athens for over 90 years?}}
	{{oldafdfull\| date = 30 January 2013 (UTC) \| result = '''speedy keep''' \| page = Miran Pastourma }}		{{oldafdfull\| date = 30 January 2013 (UTC) \| result = '''speedy keep''' \| page = Miran Pastourma }}

			== Competition on the pastirma and sujuk market ==

			The same user opened two articles ''Miran Pastourma'' (this one) and ] on two pastirma and sujuk artisans (later businessmen) from ], ], lately. (Thanks.) Both people were ethnic ] from ]. Both first came from Kayseri to ] and moved their pastirma-sujuk business. One (the latter) stayed in Istanbul and continues business since 1920 there. The other, for some reason moved to Athens in '''1922'''. According to the article, Miran came ('''escaped''') to Athens ''allegedly'' (I added) due to something horrible which I will not write down here because I do not agree with the term used in the article; so let me write it in ]: 1915 "Ermeni tehciri". Now I am very confused: Two families of Ottoman Armenians move from the Turkish city of Kayseri to the Turkish city of Istanbul in the same years. One family sets up their pastirma-sujuk business there and achieves a great commercial success. The other, for some reason, "escapes" to Athens only two years after the first family sets up its business in Istanbul. Could the reason of the escape be "competition"? If there was such a great risk for pastirma and sujuk producers in Istanbul in the 1920s why did not the Apikoğlu brothers not escape out of Turkey together with the Miran family and open a "charcuterie" say in ] or ], where there is a large Armenian community, who, like all other Ottoman people would make a good client market for the pastirma and sujuk, Kayseri style? I removed the so-called reason of Miran's "escape" from Istanbul from the article because it did not seem convincing to me for the above explanation. My edit was reverted and nobody made an effort to "seriously" source that "story". Could it be possible that Miran invented an escape story so that the people of Athens would have more sympathy to his "charcuterie" and buy more pastirma and sujuk from Miran's place? Please add reliable sources that Miran ''really'' "escaped" from Turkey for the reasons claimed in this article. --] (]) 17:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)