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Notability (first raised at Talk:Aaron Swartz. He's an actor and he's listed at IMDB. Is that sufficient? Is there any of the necessary reliable independent coverage in adequate depth around to sustain a BLP? We need critics, not just IMDB. Andy Dingley (talk) 07:50, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Article says he began working as an actor at age 4. In Eleni (as the Czech Officer, see ref. 1). Questionable. -- Dervorguilla (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2013 (UTC) (sig added after edit by Evanh2008)
  • The article says that because Dervorguilla themself added that information in this edit and this edit. It's inappropriate to add false information to an article and then call for it to be deleted because of that false information. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

1. Metropolitan90’s point that Dervorguilla herself added that information is correct.  Like the other sourced information, it’s from ref 1 of 1.  If the sourced information’s false, the article gets deleted.

2. Given Metropolitan90’s point, Dervorguilla is now calling for the stub to be deleted because of the false information in the original stub. -- Dervorguilla (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Weak keep, as notability has been established by non-trivial mentions in two sources, albeit possibly not by sources that pass WP:RS. In any case, this is not a hoax, as Unsigned above seems to be implying. Evanh2008  08:26, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

“Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources,” WP:REDFLAG. Not many four-year-olds could have played the role of the Czech Officer in Eleni. Not without a serious makeover. -- Dervorguilla (talk) 09:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

And if that had anything to do with the article, that might be a compelling argument. As it now stands, the article doesn't mention him playing a Czech Officer in anything. If another source does, that's their problem. Verifiability and Notability are different policies. An article will not stand or fall at AfD based on verifiability issues (not that the problem you mentioned is even a verifiability issue, but you seem to be implying that it somehow is). Unless there is a credible reason to believe that Aaron Schwartz does not exist, and was not in Heavy Weights and The Might Ducks, this AfD should be closed per WP:SNOW. Evanh2008  09:27, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, it looks as though the Eleni confusion was brought about by confusion with another Aaron Schwartz. Evanh2008  09:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

The article now says he played the Czech Officer in Eleni at age 4 and the Forensic Pathologist in Suspect at age 6. -- Dervorguilla (talk) 11:18, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Probable Delete Playing a Forensic Pathologist at the age of SIX? No. I can accept Heavyweights as the age is about right for the part. Others are really the other Aaron Schwartz (I), who was old enough to play a night club owner in 1977. This one's a 'former actor', who became a Location Assistant - but has acting entries at IMDb up to 2012. There's a lot wrong here. (I) and (II) are mixed up, and the information that might be relevant is contradictory. Needs a complete rewrite if Heavyweights is considered enough for notability. Peridon (talk) 18:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I should have looked into the history. Changing to Revert per Metropolitan90. Peridon (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Revert to last version by Callanecc. The problems with this article stem primarily from this edit by Dervorguilla, which was made today, and which added information about, apparently, two other people named Aaron Schwartz into the biography of this actor. This is an apparent case of building the Frankenstein monster -- taking information about two or more people with the same name and combining them into the biography of one person. The actor Aaron Schwartz born in 1981 may be notable enough for an article, or maybe not, but he deserves to have his article evaluated on its own merits rather than by trying to evaluate him as though he (a) had been an actor as an adult when he really was a child, and (b) has switched to the much less prominent occupation of being a location assistant, when those jobs were actually performed by two other people. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
  • In addition, Dervorguilla also removed information from the article that mentioned the subject's other roles, such as a recurring role on Gossip Girl. (See for confirmation that that is the same Aaron Schwartz.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

1. Metropolitan90’s point that Dervorguilla removed the unsourced material is correct.

2. Dervorguilla did not add information about two other people named Aaron Swartz.  All sourced information in current article is from ref 1 of 1.  The material can be removed by deleting the article.

“Poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately….  If such material is repeatedly inserted … report the issue.” -- Dervorguilla (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

The ref is Yahoo! Movies - if that's as reliable as Yahoo! Answers I wouldn't trust it very far. Based on IMDb (which at least is maintained by performers themselves), that is a conflation of IMDb's Aaron Schwartz (I) (the elder, who played adults in the 1970s and 80s) and Aaron Schwartz (II) who was in Heavyweights and the young roles. Calanecc's version is as accurate as I think we'll get. But we need to lose that Yshoo! reference as it is junk. Peridon (talk) 22:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Keep, material is not contentious except to Dervorguilla, who is only trying to get this article deleted because he doesn't like (and keeps incorrectly removing) the hatnote on Aaron Swartz. Give it up. Yworo (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

1. Yworo’s point that Dervorguilla doesn’t like the hatnote is correct.

2. Dervorguilla doesn’t like the hatnote because “ targets a stub created in 2007.  Only one substantive edit by a clearly legitimate editor — and he acknowledges, ‘I was in his class.’  Link could be seen as promotional.”

3. The hatnote was removed by MarkBernstein.

4. MarkBernstein doesn’t like the hatnote because “it was only added recently and it seems unlikely that many people will find it useful.”

5. The article was nominated for deletion by Andy Dingley.

6. Andy Dingley’s point is that “we need critics, not just IMDB.” -- Dervorguilla (talk) 23:18, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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