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	:::* PS: Also check out . ] (]) 11:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)		:::* PS: Also check out . ] (]) 11:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Same applies as below: ]'s albums tend to use a macron-less spelling, but at least one album contradicted this trend, and the subject's '''obvious''' personal preference was for the macron. Therefore, the subject's album covers say nothing whatsoever about his personal preferences. On the Japan Times: they '''never''' use macrons because their MOS says not to. By the above logic, we would need to move ] because the Japan Times have mentioned him numerous times as "Saigo Takamori". ] (]) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)		:::::Same applies as below: ]'s albums tend to use a macron-less spelling, but at least one album contradicted this trend, and the subject's '''obvious''' personal preference was for the macron. Therefore, the subject's album covers say nothing whatsoever about his personal preferences. On the Japan Times: they '''never''' use macrons because their MOS says not to. By the above logic, we would need to move ] because the Japan Times have mentioned him numerous times as "Saigo Takamori". ] (]) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
			:::::*Please provide concrete evidence for your claim about the subject's personal preference, or strike it as unsupported. (In the case of Kayama, the seems to be about 20-30 years old. Styles change in 20-30 years.) ] (]) 03:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''': Per ]. If he calls himself "Yuji Oda" and not "Yuuji Oda" or some other variation there should be no reason for us to use the macron.—] (]) 04:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''': Per ]. If he calls himself "Yuji Oda" and not "Yuuji Oda" or some other variation there should be no reason for us to use the macron.—] (]) 04:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
	::MOS-JA says we should use ] (including macrons) unless certain specific criteria are met: there is no evidence that the subject himself actively chooses to use the macron-less spelling. See ] for an example of where the subject '''obviously''' prefers the macronated spelling, but his "official website" include decorative roman lettering of his name that had no macron. ] (]) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)		::MOS-JA says we should use ] (including macrons) unless certain specific criteria are met: there is no evidence that the subject himself actively chooses to use the macron-less spelling. See ] for an example of where the subject '''obviously''' prefers the macronated spelling, but his "official website" include decorative roman lettering of his name that had no macron. ] (]) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
			::*In the case of Kayama, the single photo that you cite seems to be at least 20 years old. Styles change in 20 years. Surely he usually signs his name in Japanese. ] (]) 03:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support'''. The album covers in particular show how the subject of this article writes his name publicly. --] (]) 13:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support'''. The album covers in particular show how the subject of this article writes his name publicly. --] (]) 13:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
	*'''Support''', per '''', '''', , , and ''''. ] (]) 13:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)		*'''Support''', per '''', '''', , , and ''''. ] (]) 13:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Yūji Oda → Yuji Oda – This is the spelling used on his official website. By WP:JTITLE, "Use the form personally or professionally used by the person (such as on their official website or official social media profile)", this is the correct spelling for the article. Mysterious Island (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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*Support - as per WP:JTITLE#Names of modern figures. FWIW, Yuji is also used on his book 脱線者 and his albums such as Kodo, Stay Here, Screen Play, River and My Pocket. 124.85.41.37 (talk) 17:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Oppose One decorative use of roman lettering on a Japanese-language website. Doesn't indicate that the subject actively prefers the non-macronated spelling. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Surely it's trivial to research usage in reliable sources, just compare:

Template:Google RS

with

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Research it in the Japan Times as well, if you like:

"Yuji Oda" site:japantimes.co.jp
What does that tell you? That all the most respected English media and English encyclopedias are wrong, because you think otherwise? LittleBen (talk) 02:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
PS: Also check out his albums on Amazon. LittleBen (talk) 11:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Same applies as below: Yūzō Kayama's albums tend to use a macron-less spelling, but at least one album contradicted this trend, and the subject's obvious personal preference was for the macron. Therefore, the subject's album covers say nothing whatsoever about his personal preferences. On the Japan Times: they never use macrons because their MOS says not to. By the above logic, we would need to move Saigō Takamori because the Japan Times have mentioned him numerous times as "Saigo Takamori". elvenscout742 (talk) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Please provide concrete evidence for your claim about the subject's personal preference, or strike it as unsupported. (In the case of Kayama, the single album that you cite seems to be about 20-30 years old. Styles change in 20-30 years.) LittleBen (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Support: Per WP:MOS-JA. If he calls himself "Yuji Oda" and not "Yuuji Oda" or some other variation there should be no reason for us to use the macron.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

MOS-JA says we should use Hepburn Romanization (including macrons) unless certain specific criteria are met: there is no evidence that the subject himself actively chooses to use the macron-less spelling. See Talk:Yūzō Kayama#Requested move to Yuzo Kayama for an example of where the subject obviously prefers the macronated spelling, but his "official website" include decorative roman lettering of his name that had no macron. elvenscout742 (talk) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

In the case of Kayama, the single photo that you cite seems to be at least 20 years old. Styles change in 20 years. Surely he usually signs his name in Japanese. LittleBen (talk) 03:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Support. The album covers in particular show how the subject of this article writes his name publicly. --DAJF (talk) 13:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Support, per Directory of World Cinema: Japan, New York Times, Amazon, AllMusic, and Variety. Kauffner (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Note to closer - This RM was started by the sockpuppet of an indefinitely blocked editor, who further double-voted with a different sock account. Please make note of that in the closing.--Cúchullain /c 20:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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