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X-band

Hey thanks for the heads up on the Xband article, I added it to my watchlist, it's really been cleaned up since it's first incarseration and I would hate to see it fall back again Deathawk 20:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

I don't know whether you're one of the users who tries to avoid taking on adminship, but if you want to become an administrator, I've nominated you. The RfA is at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/InShaneee. If you want to accept, you should accept there, and then add it to the RfA page.. Hedley 23:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The Flatheads

I believe you are mistaken. Encyclopedia Frobizica has exteremly complete entries on each of the articles that I am creating and the majority of them have some relevance to gameplay. This is analogous to the articles on each and every King of Gondor or Arnor in Lord of the Rings. Savidan 03:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

you deserve it!

Thanks for your advice

Hi, Dear Inshaneee, You are right, I promise never tell it to nobody again. (I learned it from another wikipedia but 'now' I find it a bad wording). I'm trying to change my wordings that are considered by you as bad. I want to be a more better user. I should learn more about wikipedia policy. Diyako Talk + 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Music

Well, I listen to a wide variety of groups, but some of my favorite synthpop groups are Depeche Mode, Human League, New Order, Soft Cell, and lesser known groups like Empire State Human, Wave in Head, Joy Electric, VNV Nation, Assemblage 23, Felix da Housecat (technically "electroclash"), Celluloide, Tear Garden (not technically synthpop, but close). Lots of other groups, mostly obscure ones from France and Germany. As for industrial, which I used to be very much into (particularly the more abrasive underground acts) but not as much anymore, mostly mainstream stuff now like Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, even Nine Inch Nails, which are more electro-oriented. Do you listen to this sort of music as well? Thank you again for your help, by the way. SouthernComfort 13:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Music

So you've worked as a radio producer as well? That's pretty cool - always wanted to do something like that during my undergrad years, especially since Pump Up The Volume was (is) one of my favorite films. Yes, "Playing The Angel" is excellent - my favorite tracks are "Nothing's Impossible" and "Suffer Well" (as well as "Free"). I think I like this one better than even Ultra, though I haven't decided yet. ;) You should track down the remixes bootleg if you haven't already - some of the tracks are even better than the album versions, IMHO. As for "With Teeth" I think it's overall it's very good, but the only track I ever listen to very often is "Right Where It Belongs." I still prefer "Downward Spiral" (which I'm not sure he can ever top) and "The Fragile." I think I'm just more in tune with the pretentious and melancholy, brooding side of things. ;) SouthernComfort 10:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Your aditude!

Man, you have a temper, cool it. Watch you block me for saying this... MAN!

List of Arab scientists and scholars

Hi InShaneee, your neutral stance is needed here: List of Arab scientists and scholars. The Iranian editors have moved this to List of Muslim scientists and scholars, although they have themselves a List of Iranian scientists and scholars, which contains many non-Iranians scholars, which actually doesn't bother me. Thank You! Jidan 13:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Conquest of Persia

I appreciate your friendly early warnings. For all my edits, I have provided discussions and edits on the Talk page. The Iranian editor (Zmmz) has almost accepted the changes provided that it is written in a neutal language, which I accepted. Heja Helweda 02:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

RFA Support

Hi, as you know, my RFA passed (56/1/1). I would like to personally thank you for supporting me. I am not doing a mass thank you post, but I thought your comment was funny, so I wanted to drop you a quick note.--Adam 20:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Greg Lindahl bio removed.

Hello! You removed the bio for Greg Lindahl. I think Greg Lindahl merits a bio; I would be happy to rewrite the page using the standard bio format, and make it more informative and factual. I can't find reference to why the page was deleted, so I hope you will do me the favor of replying.

Thank you!

Wendy Wendy 02:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I am allowed to ask an editor about themselves

I am allowed to ask an editor about themselves. So I will. 69.196.139.250 04:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Khashayar Karimi

This user has started calling me racist again. Let me remind you that this is not the first time he's doing this. He also keeps accusing me of vandalism. Aucaman 05:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Admins willing to make difficult blocks

Thanks, Shane, I appreciate that. I also hope Gator is the last one this happens to. Lots of people would have gladly made that block for him to avoid this happening, so hopefully this list will be of help in that way. Thanks for adding your name. :-) SlimVirgin 20:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Comma

LOL, I think I got that from a "math for preschoolers" game that I had when I was a kid. :p --Khoikhoi 20:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

User:SouthernComfort

I just wanted to draw your attention to the following comments: Aucaman 09:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I need advice

Hi! I'm new here and I was wondering can I vote here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/Today? Could you answer with simple words, I am not very good at English. :) --Alfred Dengan 16:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikistalking

The point was that he keeps dropping unnecessary "responces" to my arguments in talk pages saying he's not here to "teach me" and that he doesn't want to answer my questions (although he constantly responds to them). He has also been following me around posting responses within minutes of me posting them. The best example is his clueless response here in article he's never shown interest in. Aucaman 00:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

False accusations

The latest accusation of this user against me is that I am wiki-stalking him (posted above). How many false accusations does he have to try against me before it is against WP:Civil? - K a s h 00:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Yet more accusations

He moved my answer, and then he is posting here that I shoud leave his posts alone! This is hypocracy. My reply was to another user's question and not to what Aucaman said, yet he moved it here.

And now he posted here that "once blanked a talk page"..All I did was to archive the page and this was perhaps a week or two after I joined wikipedia! I had no idea about such rules back then, to bring this up again is just hilarious! Let's not 'remind eachother' of anything, his block history speaks for its self. - K a s h 12:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Dearest InShaneee

I appreciate your informing me of WP:NPA but I can't for the life of me understand why. Please do me the favor of pointing out where exactly in my meager contributions I have transgressed. Cheers. -66.92.130.57 04:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible incivility by another user

InShaneee, I’m sorry but frequent incivilties like this by user Zora, is not fair to me. This is in regards to this edit, and this section. Please also see if the article, according to the diffs provided, does indeed need to be written in a more neutral language.Zmmz 22:23, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Acuman

This user should be banned. He has made derogatory comments, intentional fabricated controversial and untrue material into articles, and deliberately disturbed both order and balance in the Wiki-community. He has been in numerous exchanges with other users. User:Acuman also applies double standards he says one thing for others and sees himself above what he demands and ascribes to other editors. He has upset the following articles in a long list of articles tied to Iran; Kurds, Kurdistan, Persian Gulf, Persians, Iran, Iranian peoples. The editors he has allies himself with are also irrational and uncompromising racists or bigots. I demand he be disciplined. I have seen the list of controversial and flat our provocative edits and fictional claims he has made and ask that he be closely watched by administrators, all editors, and the whole community. He has acted in a distasteful manner and has not respected the rules and demands of the community. I am sorry about losing my cool but what he did was amoral and in my opinion amoral 72.57.230.179 08:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Tortuga Turaga replying to a meassage about signing

I got a message from you saying to sign my posts with four tildies. But I am not a member (I might become one) so it would only put down my IP adress and I would rather use this option: "You can also consider manually signing your posts with a pseudonym or tag such as --anon (although your IP address will still be stored in the page history if you edit without logging in)." I think a tag would be easier for someone to recognise and I prefer this method, so isn't signing myself --Tortuga Turaga with a date and time stamp okay? As I have not used this site much before and I'm not a member I don't know that much about wikipedia. Thanks for you time. Ps. Sorry about the argument in the Bionicle Talk section, I hope it's settled now. --Tortuga Turaga 19:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC) (and 217.155.115.6 if you want)

Jeff Merkey

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Another personal attack

It's the same user who was blocked a few days ago. I don't know what your opinion is on this, but I think if someone has been blocked once for personal attacks and they continue without much care they should be blocked again without much warning. Aucaman 08:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi InShaneee, don't know if you noticed, but this user 72.57.230.179 (talk · contribs) seems to be the same as earlier 69.196.139.250 (talk · contribs) and Manik666 (talk · contribs), possibly also 201.252.133.159 (talk · contribs). I'm considering bringing his case into the current arbcom proceedings, as his behaviour is so characteristic of the general climate of aggression and intimidation we've been seeing. Could you give me your opinion? (Or, if you like, submit a statement about him yourself, as you did with Ahwaz?) Thanks, Lukas 09:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

personal attack, please help

Dear InShanee,

This person Eupator in http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Bagratid_Dynasties is using personal attacks by calling me a "troll" and he also uses profanities in French language. Can you please warn him and ask him to stop making personal attacks? Thanks in advance. LD Noxchi Borz 23:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

More tools for your toolbox

Go ahead and go to my userpage and make yourself a copy of the tools and other links I have there. Martial Law 05:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Comments on my background

If I have ever given out information about my nationality, religious, or linguistic background, it's for people to ask me relevant questions where they think I might be of some help. It's not for people to go around constantly commenting on what they perceive to be my "ancestors", calling me "self-proclaimed" this or that. (<--- Last sentence) And this is not the first time this user makes totally irrelevant comments on what he perceives to be my ethnicity. I didn't bother to report the last one. Aucaman 14:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge

As you must've noticed by now we have begun merge with Misplaced Pages: Wikiproject Supernatural and I'd appreciate any help you could give being I'm about to get off and I must archive all their stuff... Mahogany-wanna chat?

Nationality

You had not informed me about this before. Plus, his nationality is the same as mine! so I have no idea why that would be a problem! -- - K a s h 17:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Hey, what do you think about Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Heavy metal in Islamic countries? I think the idea behind the article is a POV. There is no shared scene, however users of this "Metal wikiproject" are backing eachother up and I don't know how I can get some neutral users to vote there? -- - K a s h 19:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that this gang started going around nominating e.g. Metal in Iran and Pakistan, etc for AfD, when they didn't succeed, some of those articles got merged with e.g. Black Metal. Which was just riduculous to have e.g. Pakistani Black Metal on the original page. Then they decided to remove that, and make a new article, and redirect e.g. Iranian metal to there. It's just really un-necessary, and people who are voting are making it all as if its Me against the world! have a look! -- - K a s h 19:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it civil to refer to users as a "gang"?--210.211.234.53 19:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh. I don't use that word often, in Persian sometimes we use it to refer to groups. So it just came out. -- - K a s h 19:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

More tools for your toolbox

Go to my Userpage and make yourself a copy of the tools, other links found there. Martial Law 08:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Blocking Ardenn

InShaneee, Ardenn did nothing to deserve the block you just gave him. That was a legitimate rebuttal. -- OsgoodeLawyer 00:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice Site!

Hey Inshaneee, nice site you got going! Facthunter 02:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the tip, and I'll contact you if I ever need any help. Thanks again, and bye! Facthunter 03:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Question about your "Warnings" that you put on my talk page

I quote... "Please do not remove warnings put on your talk page by other users. They are there for a reason, and removing them could be considered vandalism. --InShaneee 22:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)"

Please show wiki policy that say I may not edit my talk page as I fit. If I answer the task I can edit the page. Thank you for your time. ] 22:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)]

One more thing... Can I censor a discussion page to remove other people's discussions? Because that is exactly what Viriditas is doing on http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Heaven%27s_Stairway#Ownership_of_Overgrow.com_web_site_in_dispute

User:Alienus

Hi InShaneee. I noticed that you extended the block on this user (richly deserved, in my possibly-biased-due-to-having-had-the-Alienus-treatment-previously opinion) but did not notify him. I'm not certain if you should, but wanted to let you know. Best wishes, Jakew 21:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks Warning

Regarding edits such as ], ], ], and ]: These are considered personal attacks and will not be tolerated. Misplaced Pages is a friendly environment and this type of behaviour is unacceptable. Please refrain from it in the future. Yofoxyman 03:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee,

I dont usually report people, but this one has gone too far and is irking me:

User:Timothy Usher is calling me an "anti-semitic" (on Talk:Iran-Iraq War) just because I provided American and Israeli sources stating that Israel supported Iran in the war against Iraq. I think that's a clear attempt of abusing WP to slaner people.

Thanx.--Zereshk 17:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikistalking

Please take a look here, a suspicious user with two or more IP addresses is harassing me.Zmmz 20:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User talk:MSTCrow

What a charmer. Jkelly 01:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's a reminder to me to keep things in perspective. That said, I do wish that there were a more efficient way to rid the project of users who flat-out disagree with WP:CIVIL. One could spend a lifetime writing up ArbCom cases and never empty the bucket. Jkelly 01:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee, I don't want to get into any sort of "wheel war," but I do think that a 48-hour block is a bit long for what is, after all, a fairly mild personal attack. Would you consider shortening it? ➥the Epopt 02:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

question

I was wondering if there was any way to find out why the Vernon Buckley pages and The Maytones pages were deleted thanks. I dont see how they could be considered non-notable. See here. ] Could you maybe consider these for undeletion? Please reply on my discussion page. Thanks a bunch. Chinamanjoe 03:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

They are clearly notable. Check out this long article on all music: Chinamanjoe 03:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Hi InShaneee (thanks for blocking that one vandal, by the way) and sorry for butting in guys. Chinaman left a message on my talk page about this and I was wondering if you nominated the article for deletion?--Primetime 03:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't. Chinamanjoe 03:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Hmm. I would probably restore it and nominate it for deletion so as to get community views on the application of policy in this case. It can also give Chinamanjoe some time to dig up some info on notability for the bands.--Primetime 03:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

- ::That wouldn't be particularly hard considering a simple google search clearly shows they were popular enough to have a bunch of articles written about them in reputable sources. Chinamanjoe 03:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• • I can't recreate the article because I'm not an administrator. I won't push the issue, though (I didn't even write it). Chinamanjoe, if you would like to have the article restored, nominate it on Misplaced Pages:Deletion Review or do as InShaneee just recommended and list it on Misplaced Pages:Articles for Deletion.--Primetime 03:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Image protection

Greetings,

User:Pecher insists on marking the following two images for deletion, despite their PD status, which I have explained to him/her.

Image:Kalimi mashrutiat.JPG

Image:Kalimi iran.JPG

Would you please see to it that he/she does not delete the images? Pecher is currently engaged in an edit war with several users on the Persian Jews article.

Thank You.--Zereshk 15:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have provided the info in Farsi. It was scanned from a hard copy of the picture that I edited and uploaded myself.--Zereshk 16:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have provided a second source. Now I hope you will help out with this.--Zereshk 16:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I provided a third source from the Library of Congress. The images are from media (newspapers) that no longer exist. If I translated the names, you couldnt do a search on them, the names all appear in Farsi format. That is why the LOC does not translate the names either, it only provides transliterations.

Regardless, I'm hoping that 3 sources is enough. It's overkill if you ask me. Point is: the images can be verified to exist. Pecher just wants to get rid of these images for POV reasons.

Thanx again.--Zereshk 16:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Username

Hey I changed my username, is it possible for you to block my old username (perhaps forever) until I would like to use it again? old username: User:Khashayar Karimi, Thanks -- - K a s h 19:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

OK.. By the way did you ever get my email regarding the Persian anon comment? You never responded -- - K a s h 20:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

I received this comment from you on my talk page not long ago:

"hreats against other users are patently unacceptable. If you continue to act beligerently towords (sic) other users, you may be temporarily blocked from editing."

I just wanted to say how effective your admonition not to threaten people was, especially since it was accompanied by a threat. Even though my putative "threat" was nothing more than a quotation from the The Juggernaut Bitch video itself (which I can now only assume that you have not even seen), I can understand how people might be put in fear that I might credibly "hit with own pimp" if I see them on the street. This is made even more credible by the fact that I have no idea what any of these people look like, nor where they live, nor what their names are. I can see why you're such a highly regarded editor. Oh, it's spelled "towards" by the way. "A" and "O" are so close on the keyboard, I can see how you got them confused.RiseAbove 19:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

List of "All your base are belong to us" external links

Before you unilaterally decide to delete List of "All your base are belong to us" external links again, please bring it up for discussion first. The page is under construction and was created as the result of discussion on the main article's talk page. Even for a self-proclaimed Deletionist, that was a rather poor decision on your part. ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:58 (UTC)

WTF?? Give me a break! ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 19:59 (UTC)

Seriously, what's your problem? You delete a page that's in progress, marked as "in use", then you want to hide it from anyone who visits the main article and thereby discourage discussion of your inappropriate action? That's beyond abusive, IMHO. ⇒ B.Rossow _contr ], ], ] @ 20:30 (UTC)

3RR

Were you aware that in reverting Brossow (talk • contribs) at All your base are belong to us (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), you violated the 3RR? Though his constant addition of that article was misguided, it was also not simple vandalism. I don't think you should be blocked for it, as you were obviously acting in the best interests of the encyclopedia, but I do think you should be more careful in the future. Cheers! —BorgHunter (talk) 04:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Where is Acuman???

Update me on the situation? 72.57.230.179 04:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

More of the same

• New user in town: . "Aucaman's agenda"?

• Also this. (Normally I'd report them to WP:AVI but I thought it would be faster here.)

Aucaman 06:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

This user is spamming users talks:

There is another 10 or 20 more. See Special:Contributions/Aucaman

It seems like recruitment for a "battleground"!! I can not comment on which type of users he is targetting his message to.

With the same message. He has explained why he is doing it at: :

"I'm asking a lot of outside users to comment. Hopefully no one will get away with nonsense."

This is regarding the same old dispute, which is resulting in him getting blocked from editing Iran-related articles:

By arbcome arbitrators reads: "Though my considered opinion as an arbitrator is that the proposals I made for banning Aucaman from all Persia-related articles are the least controversial ones, and will have no problem passing. So you should have no worries there."

-- - K a s h 08:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, it looks like it has been dealt with: -- - K a s h 08:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Harassment?

Do you think the user Viritidas is in involved in harassment by stalking me on the boards? He seems to have found a new topic to harass me about at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Simonapro ] 11:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

Civilty warning?

Excuse my apparent lack of perception, but I can't see how my comment on Aucaman's addition to "Persian people" was uncivil. Please elaborate. -- Bobak 16:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

His edit was fallacious and I demonstrated with his words immediately followed by why; it wasn't an unsupported ad hominem attack. The only reason a person could come up with such a questionable statment (with no evidence) is to make history fit into somekind of agenda (and I don't believe the word agenda by itself is a pejorative term as you seem to take it) --and while I'd normally give the benefit of the doubt, after seeing the tremendous amount of of material available on that very discussion page, as well as Aucaman being brought before ArbCom and the evidence presented, et al --I feel I have a grounded basis for my statement, a statement that was crafted to not call Aucaman any particular name, fill-in-the-blank whatever personal agenda that may be guiding him. So, again, why is this uncivil? I wasn't being a dick, but when a man clearly has a view against my entire peoples, I think I can certainly call him out on what is a well-documented agenda. Again, to review the points on Misplaced Pages:Civility, I did not belittle Aucaman, I did not call him any names, I did not call him a liar (I'm sure he may believe some interesting thoughts), however I did identity the user who had made a highly questionable edit after apparently making a string of them and I cannot help if such a thing would offend him --as you can probably see he is easy to offend. I disagree with this statement that I acted uncivilly and do not see how it stands in light of the preceding. With respect, Bobak 16:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

So let me get this straight, are you now telling me that discussing your accusation at me is grounds for being blocked? I thought this was a civil discussion but I guess I now know not to offend you. -- Bobak 17:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. You may want to be little careful about how you craft your short responses. When you stamp a person an "uncivil" actor and then immediately start talking about temporary bans, you imply something quite immediate. As an admin, you may be making stronger warnings than you may realize. It's like a cop waving his finger at you. You don't know quite how serious he's being, and it can make a lot of difference, eh? ;-) -- Bobak 17:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

None taken. -- Bobak 17:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply

You're probably right. It was more of a childish retaliation to having been reverted with rollback . I hate it when people do that. Telex 16:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration with regards to User: Simonapro

Please see. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration ] 17:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

There is a new section called Arbitration. It states:

"InShanee. Without insulting me or claiming that I am attacking you, can you kindly, in good faith, explain your statement "...has done nothing but troll (primarily on Talk:Heaven's Stairway, reverting anyone he disagrees with, and insulting and threatening anyone who attempts to open a diolouge with him (this being the latest result of that)." with references to other articles where I have done this and where I have threatened or insulted anyone else on another article. Could you also explain why asking for arbitration is insulting and threatening?" You can answer on mytalk pages as the arbitration commitee will be viewing that. ] 21:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

Persian

Sure thing, please do what you feel is best. I'm not offended but appreciate the message just the same =) · Katefan0 /poll 21:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I want to remind you not to be Block Happy

Pleasea remember you are here to be an admin. and not a slave master. I still say keep an eye on Acuman. Did you see the new Aryan controversy. It does prove that he wanted established definitions to be changed to his liking. Anyways, I am civil and everything I was blocked for is questionable and so are your methods, but as always I opt to cooperate with you instead of engaging in counter productive behaviour. I have even allowed for you to do unpunished for your questionable blocks and methodology. 72.57.230.179 00:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Cilivity

Accusing me of spreading hatred is not acceptable as per wikipedia policy either. I never accused anyone or mentioned any user of any racism, nor did i make hateful statement, i merely spoke the truth. Please try to be respectful towards other users intentions in the future. Administrator have to follow the rules just like the users. --Darkred 01:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol, i am sorry i just read your both messages, you are warning me? for what?, in the Frye page i reverted moshes vandalism based upon his lie that they came to an agreement i have clearly explained that on the talk page. I have some days ago reported him for vandalism. Now i am warning you, follow the rules yourself before accusing me of breaking the rules, go ahead and block me for a rule i did not break, when i get unblock i will report you for taking sides, falsly accusing and abusing your administrative powers. --Darkred 20:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

And i give you the very same last warning, Stop taking sides and abusing your power. user moshe have clearly lies about the agreement of calling Fyre, and it is there for everyone to see in the talk page, again i have reported him and have said that he have lied and then vandalized. If you still want to take sides go ahead, use your power to block, i will not respond to your threats, i will come back and will report you for abusing your powers. Like i said admins have to follow the rules just like everyone else. Please try to be cooperative. --Darkred 20:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I have now reported you for admin abuse, like i said in the report i will not respond to your threaths, if you want to talk in a civil manner without threatheing to block me i am willing to do so as well, but until then i will not read or reply to your threathening messages. --Darkred 07:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Edit summaries such as this and this seem highly inappropriate to me. Could you talk to this user about these? Aucaman 19:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User: Darkred

I really do not understand what I did that warrants the attacks and aggressiveness coming from User: Darkred, as you can see on the Richard Nelson Frye talk page, nobody expressed discontent with my phrasing until the arival of Darkred. He has since leveled all sorts of abuse against me, I might be more understanding if I had more previous encounters with him, but I have only run into him one other time and it was after he had already started his angry accusations against me on the above article.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 23:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note this: Thank You.--Zereshk 03:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Well what can I do when he is unblocked? He reverts every single day multiple times but is always careful not to violate the 3RR. I feel like I have been extremely patient to the point of excessiveness, I never respond rudely and answer all of his accusations on the talk page. He doesn't even follow a coherant argument, he just says the same thing over and over again, the only thing that changes is that he seems to get more angry with every post, . I would appreciate any advice that you could give me.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI

User:TShilo12 has restored all of User:Aucaman's mass-spamming of user talk pages, which had been reverted by User:Cohesion. --ManiF 08:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the support on my RfA!

That was quite the page deletion you did there

You deleted my Misplaced Pages:Lol page mere seconds after I created it. I didn't even have time to re-edit it and sign my name. Truly an epic page deletion! RadioYeti 00:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

I accepted the arbitration as it seemed a controversy we could make progress with. Please continue with a request for mediation though it the other party agrees. Fred Bauder 02:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Clarification request

Hi. According to User:Simonapro: "Turns out on the arbitration request that InShanee knows Viritidas. I think it would have been better for all concerned if a neutral moderator had been involved. ] 20:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)] . Could you clarify for me if this is true or not? I apologize if my memory is faulty, but to my recollection, this talk page post is the first time I have ever contacted you or "spoken" with you. If this is not the case, please correct me. —Viriditas | Talk 05:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Darkred once again

As soon as Dark red became unblocked he went straight to the Richard Nelson Frye article and reverted the same damn edit he has a thousand other times before . As you can see his edit summary was "Rv, see talk" however I suppose he expects me to read what he has already written since he has not added anything new. This is becoming ridiculous.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• I also wanted to draw your attention to this comment. Other than spending most of his time analyzing and commenting on Moshe's ethnic background (which is not related to the dispute they're having), he makes this statement: "i am sure you are just as sweet a girl or woman as my girlfriend was". Note that "Moshe", "Constantine", and "Hassan" are all male names (and considering this user's linguistic background he should very well be acquainted with the name "Hassan"). This might be an attempt to get Moshe to overreact. I certainly don't want this user leaving similar messages on my talk page next time he comes across one of my edits he doesn't like. Aucaman 13:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, these reversions of his talk page taken together seem to cross the line of talk page vandalism, which I warned him of prior to the second; and refering to others' edits as "profanities" is certainly uncivil.

Ciao, MARussellPESE 18:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Went ahead and warned the user about all of the above concerns. --InShaneee 18:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

A sort-of-barnstar for you

		The "Patience of a Saint" award
		For tirelessly pursuing your admin duties, even in arenas where some editors may refuse to heed Misplaced Pages's policies regarding civility, neutrality, and reversion, I award you the (first ever) "Patience of a Saint" award. Misplaced Pages doesn't have a canonization process, but if it did, all you'd need to do now is perform a few Wikimiracles, and you'd be a shoo-in. Keep up the good work! Cheers, JDoorjam Talk

Wasn't that also the founder of the Order of the Adminims? :-) Lukas 20:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

And what that picture really wants to teach us all is to always look very carefully at our cluestick, to check whether we are holding the right end of it. ;-) (Saying this because I've always very much appreciated your efforts, even though I've sometimes disagreed with your decisions. Keep it up!) Lukas 11:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Try to be civil

Like i said above i am not going to even bother reading your threaths, abuse and harassment, and have not read your last message. This is the last time i send you a message. Like i said in the report i will never give in to your abuse of power, send how many warning as you like, block me as many times as you can. I will not read or pay any attentions to you or your threaths. Good luck. :) --Darkred 18:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Darkred

... I already blocked Darkred for two weeks for this latest bout; hadn't gotten a chance to report it at AN/I yet. JDoorjam Talk 20:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

POV screed

What do you think about this:Bush family conspiracy theory? I think it's a WP:NOT, WP:NPOV, WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:OR violation.

Diyako/Xebat/Retau

Hi, I suspected that this user is a sockpuppet since Xebat was blocked by you for two months or something and now the arbitation has banned him for a year, the user check for it says it's possible but I am not quite sure where to go from here? The only reply he has given so far is which doesn't say much, he is not even denying it. -- - K a s h 17:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

To be honest I think he is using tens of more usernames and IPs to "contribute" but perhaps I am just all worked up under stress from exams -- - K a s h 20:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV dispute on animal hoarding

I was trying to discuss. Look at this page. Who is doing the discussion here? Does Zoe know anything about this topic? Can you please explain to me what the other side of the issue is? --Brianbeck 01:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

   That's precisely the problem that occurs with hoarding! Did you check any of the links? Should I list the exact instances? --Brianbeck 01:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
   Isn't that a factual dispute and not a POV dispute? --Brianbeck 01:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made some changes and now request removal again. See also that someone else posted on the discussion to request removal.

BuddhaWheel

I appreciate that BuddhaWheel is a product that we sell, but when my article was first deleted I took out everything that was not strictly factual. Can you please explain why it was still not allowed to stand? Thanks, Steve

Beeflin 19:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Leave my talk page alone

If you're leaving a message, fine.

If you're being a flunky of DakotaKhan, stay off my talk page. ForgetNever 19:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, personal attacks from a guy who's about to violate the seldom-heard-of 5RR Rule on his own talk page. User starts an edit war, gets in a fight with one admin, then three, then five, makes personal attacks, exhausts absolutely everyone's patience... I think I've seen this one before, and am pretty sure I remember how it ends. JDoorjam Talk 19:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation

I am reporting hereby the violation of 3RR. 1st revert, 2nd revert, 3rd revert by Holy Ganga who has begun a unnecessary revert war in Pakistan article. Please take action. Anwar saadat 20:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Hussey's General Store

This article was deleted initially with the explanation that it was "advertising". I disagree with the action on the grounds that it is a notable organization in the state of Maine especially for being the largest store in a state of several million people, and is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Ben Tibbetts 23:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You reverted my edits

here. May I ask why? If you compare the bottem of the page on your version and mine, you'll notice the Wikiquotes box runs a little into the other box. I added two spaces to prevent this-is there a policy against it? --69.145.122.209 02:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) --69.145.122.209 03:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Multiple copyright violations and blanking notices from talk page

Benzee has been uploading some 140-odd images from WWW, adding fake tags and passing them onto Wiki as legitimate ones. He is a well-known vandal Prin who was already blocked for indulging in sockpuppetry. See Naan Kadavul, Cumbi, R.Madhavan, The Man's Plans and Yellow.

He edits the user page of his puppets signing interchangeably. I tried to tag the images. But he has reverted them all and blanked the notices from his talk page thrice. , and .

See images he uploaded violating copyrights.

What should be done to deter him? Anwar saadat 12:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Registered vandalism

I felt obliged to bring this to your attention . Miskin 14:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

oki

I don´t see anything wrong with that I wrote, but oki I will be more careful with my writing..

OtrO DiAOtrO DiA 15:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see my reply on ANI board. Tnx.

Please see my reply on ANI board. Tnx.

Lynch Mob (band)

FYI, I've undeleted this, see my comments on Talk:Lynch Mob (band). Friday (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Have you looked at the talk page

Of nakba day ?

For days I have tried to present there sources, alternatives etc...

Evetually it detoyorated into an edit wat (which I was not pasrt of) on the exact number of vilages destroyed in the 1948 war. There is a different article to cover that topic. Ever since I made my edit (and declared on talk that I will not make any other edit to this article until mediator is found) things calmed down except a revert by the parime editwarrior Ian.

In any case, what i disagree with you is that you shouild look at the whole issue and if someone close to the issue (like ramaliite who disgree with my edit) tells you that my intention are not malicious you should take this into consideration. I think it was wrong on Tony to intevine the way he did. Zeq 19:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

User:tasc

InShaneee, can you go soft on Tasc? I'm an uninvolved party who stumbled across the discussion on AN/I since I had seen a disturbing pattern by User:Ardenn on an article I actually know something about. Seems Ardenn behaved in a similar way and swooped in to an article where Tasc was active, tagged it as not npov or disputed (I forget which), and true to pattern was quite contentious about it when Tasc wondered what was going on. Tasc was provoked (perhaps that was Ardenn's intention, I am not sure) into a somewhat uncivil reply which prompted your involvement, and the situation deteriorated from there. I was originally going to ask you to reduce the block, since 48 hours is a long time for provoked incivility, even if combined with smart-alecky replies to you. If Tasc has been sending you abusive emails, you're probably not terribly inclined to do that, but can you at least just ignore them? Let Tasc calm down, and when he returns to editing let's see if something needs to be done with the underlying issue, which I think may be Ardenn, though I may be wrong. I've left a calm-down message on Tasc's page. Thanks, Martinp 00:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Storahtelling

Hi, I saw Storahtelling on Newpages, and I don't think it's speediable. The article claimed the group has toured throughout the U.S. and internationally; if it were a band, that would qualify it for WP:MUSIC. Could you please undelete it? Melchoir 02:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) ...Thanks! Melchoir 02:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The Marianas

I provided a citation for my statement about reproduction in the Marianas Islands; I hope that's good enough. DS 19:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Check out Life Online with Bob Parsons. Misplaced Pages is tonite. Ardenn 00:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC) Template:Utverylong

Changing userboxes at most a content dispute?

You claimed that vandalizing Template:User Christian was at most a content dispute. If I changed the Template:User WPCVG into a long rant against computer and video games (with an offensive animated graphics to add insult), would you call it a content dispute? And if I did less and changed the userbox only at one user's page (yours, of course!), would it be less than a content dispute? Don't worry, I do not plan to vandalize your page. I just try to show you that changing the message hundreds of users have chosen for their userpages is no content dispute. It's multiple vandalism of userpages. It's so obvious to me I can't see how anyone may disagree. If you do disagree, I believe it's time to copy the sourcecode of all the userboxes I use directly to my userpage. Otherwise, I can have soon "content disputes" on my userpage every day. Friendly Neighbour 18:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Prometheuspan

One of the warnings on this users talk page states "This is your first legit warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. --InShaneee 02:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)" It is signed by you. Did you actually insert the "first legit warning" business or was this the user's doing? If you didn't then that's vandalism of a warning isn't it? --Strothra 21:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

?

What is the problem?

new article

I just created a new article for 2001. I noticed that you were quick to "move pic to fix formatting." Just wanted to let you know, I appreciate the quick attention. Thanks. Jason Palpatine 00:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I DID NOT WRITE THE BELOW ITEM!!!!!! and I don't know who did. Jason Palpatine 01:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Umm...

Why did you delete, and then protect, the article I re-wrote (after you origanly deleted it) about the band "Fuck on the Beach"? This is a real band. The link I put in the article was put there to prove the existance of the band. The band also meets two of the criteria listed in WP:BAND I am not someone who is just writing random nonsence to be funny. The band is listed in the article for "power violence" but did not have an article assosiated with the band. I realize that the article had little information in it, but it contained all the information I knew. If you had allowed it to stay up for more than 5 minutes other people may have added to the article. You have made me angry.Seizurebot1011 01:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Heja helweda

This user is questionning my value of judgement over a non-reliable, "translation" of a non-verifable source, by saying this:

"Sorry. But you are not in a position to question the scientific value of a Journal published on the history of the Kurds. Are you specialized in this field (Kurdish history)?"

Can you please remind him that..this is not how wikipedia works? apparently my long explanation of it and SouthernComfort's , wasn't enough, and he has put the information back in the article, for the 5th time in the last month -- - K a s h 01:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Willy on wheels!

His block was still there, but his Talk page wasn't protected, so he could edit it all he wanted. It is now protected. User:Zoe| 02:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I did because it belongs to User: Linuxerist as well, and he is a good ccontributer, so he would be blocked as well, they are brothers. Whopper 12:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Togrol

I am speechless by this user, he first started by comments such as where he said the term "Iran" is outdated now..

Please read the edit summary :

"Your censor and anti-Turkish behavior is embarassing. another intersting thing in Iran is they skill in 'art of censor' which made them universally knwon!"

and

and :

"Turks ruled Iran for thousands years".

His contributions are..again un-labellable! . -- - K a s h 12:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Timothy Usher is making personal attacks and accusations against user:Zereshk

He is singling him out and making speculations that are degrading to the editor's integraty. 72.57.230.179 19:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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72.57.230.179 19:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee,

I direct you to User talk:129.111.56.195, where Zereshk has conceded that he was the user behind these comments and stated that he’d merely forgotten to log in, an explanation inconsistent with his wilful signing of comments as “anon observer”, , .

Zereshk has affected an inappropriately threatening tone on my User talk page: . He boasts of editors being banned, and characterizes my identification of his anonymous posts with his regular username as hostility towards and an attack on him.Timothy Usher 21:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee,

This user has called me an anti-semite, and you did nothing about it. I find that highly interesting that you forward me a warning instead. I suppose I have to take some action regarding this matter, as it puts you in a questionable position.

Nor do I concede that that IP number was me. Tim did not post the entire message that I wrote there. He posted you part of it. He is therfore being untruthful to you (i.e. lying). This is the entire sentence I wrote to him:

"An IP address by itself is not an "account". Sometimes, I may forget to log in, like everyone else, when editing. Sometimes, WP keeps throwing me out for some reason, so I have to keep logging back in. And sometimes, the anon user is not me, because I often use public terminals, and there are many other people at U of Texas that share the same ideas I do. Im sure you realize that UT is the 3rd largest university in population in America (over 185,000 students I presume).--Zereshk 21:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

There are hundreds, if not thousands of WP account holders from my domain, and 10 times as many IP addresses in the U Texas system, where I write from.

I urge you to reconsider taking sides with Tim. Admins are prohibited from doing so.--Zereshk 21:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee, you have absolutely no evidence to explain or justify yourself in warning me. I challenge you to provide evidence that this post is considered an attack. And you still have not issued Tim a warning for calling me an anti-semite, nor for leveling a false accusation against me. I'll be waiting to see how you handle this matter.--Zereshk 21:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I did in fact post you the link on April 25th on your talk page. And you did nothing about it. See here: Or: Link of anti-semitism remark by Tim in response to my comment/edit.

And secondly, "being argumentative" is no reason whatsoever at all to issue someone a warning, nor does it constitute a personal attack. That's taking things a bit too far, and you know it. That's why we have talk pages: To "boldly" argue on the article.

As for him falsely accusing me of sockpuppetry (which IS considered an attack), here is the link. He has even made a WP category called "sockpuppets of Zereshk" against me. (see the top of the anon user's page). That is considered slander, and is a highly offensive form of attack against other opposing users.--Zereshk 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Zereshk, I have no problem with you exposing Aucaman’s sockpuppetry. My issue was with your own use of sockpuppetry, which I solved by signing your comments for the anon IP and identifying it with your regular username. Despite the dishonesty of your explanation and your inappropriate threat on my user talk page, I did nothing to take it any further until I was compelled to defend myself against 72.57.230.179’s complaint on this page..

You complained to Pepsidrinka and InShaneee that I’d called you anti-Semitic , , , but the edits about which you’d complained, , discussed passages in the article, not you personally, which may be one reason (in addition to your failure to provide diffs) why your complaint was ignored.

See Talk:Iran-Iraq War#Possibly selling weapons through Israel? for the discourse context in which these comments appeared.

You then stated on the talk page that I’d called you anti-semitic which I denied, and apologized for any impression to the contrary .

I am very surprised to learn that you've been harboring this perceived slight.

And I’m baffled by your claim that “, Tim, have been an ally and backer of Aucaman,” with whom I’ve had very little contact, and as to why you now feel you must take a “position against .”Timothy Usher 22:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee, you need to pay attention to the article's history and talk page more closely before brushing me off. Tim's "anti-semitic" remark came as a direct response to my edits, and nothing else. I dont know why youre defending him so actively.

Secondly, I am still waiting for you to show me evidence on where exactly does this post contain an attack or an "uncivil" remark. Your response of it being an attack merely on grounds of "being argumentative" is t-o-t-a-l-l-y absurd. Arguments are in fact allowed on talk pages. Furthermore, Tim is ignoring WP:AGF by assuming that whatever anon user posts something against him must be a sockpuppet of me, merely because of my position in the article.--Zereshk 22:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Please unblock me

I am a veteran (>1000 edit) Wiki User. For some strange reason, you have me blocked from working on the main body of a page I just created Lou Graham, yet I can edit other pages and the templates in this article. I don't understand how or why this happened.--Hokeman 20:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I just tried it four times, + loggged in/out. It says that you are trying to block a troll named GOH in redlinks.--Hokeman 20:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

• Hooray for InShaneee. The old Hoke is back in business.--Hokeman 21:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you Mediate?

I do not want an edit war to start, but my edits which I was verifying were reverted without plausible cuase. I am engaged in diolgue and reaching out to the other party. 72.57.230.179 20:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Timothy Usher

I'd have to strongly disagree with your blocking Zereshk. Timothy Usher has a history of directly engaging Zereshk in arguments, and he was clearly goading him by going to User_talk:129.111.56.195, User:129.111.56.195, Talk:Persian Jews, and Talk:Iran, posting allegations of sockpuppetry. As there is no legitimate reason for Zereshk being blocked, I suggest that it be undone. Best, SouthernComfort 23:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The matter can be easily resolved. Check Zereshk against IP records. If there is no match, then he has a right to be angry. If there is a match, he is still not necessarily guilty of any "offense" unless he is trying to skirt a ban - which, in this case, he is not.--88.111.63.92 23:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Read the histories and you will see that user:Timothy Usher has some sort of anamosity against user:Zereshk. i think he should be unblocked. 72.57.230.179 04:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee, I think you need to carefully look at the history between these two users, Timothy Usher has been following Zereshk around on several pages, taking shots at him and failing to assume good faith. --ManiF 04:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Utterly false. SouthernComfort likewise has baselessy accused me of having “a disturbing obsession with ”. I've never "taken a shot" at Zereshk, much less followed him around. Asking for the diffs seems superfluous at this point, but what's the harm in it...diffs?

Note that both SouthernComfort and ManiF are on probation by the ruling of ArbCom.Timothy Usher 05:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Timothy, the fact that you are changing the topic to probation, only proves my point that you constantly fail to assume good faith. I am not the only one to have suggested this, I just came across a similar complaint against you, by several other users who are totally unrelated to this case, on another discussion page. --ManiF 06:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice wikistalking, ManiF, but I'd think twice before hitching your wagon to this wan star. Another editor is putting the case together as we speak. The record shows that I've made no findings of sockpuppetry without very good reason. And while I agree with WP:AGF, and follow it as a matter of prejudice, truth be told, nearly (as it's possible I'm forgetting someone) the only people I've ever heard invoke it were gaming the system, or defending someone else who was. Have you yourself assumed good faith? Has SouthernComfort? Has Zereshk?Timothy Usher 09:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

First of all, it's very low of you to bring up the issue of probation and striking out at us because of it - this is against WP policy. See Misplaced Pages:Probation for more details. Secondly, any cursory examination of Talk:Persian Jews will reveal your bias against Zereshk, by constantly supporting the violation of both WP:V and WP:NPOV by Moshe and Pecher who remove legitimate sources (in line with WP:V) in an effort to cleanse the article of any POV that they disagree with. (supporting the inclusion of a Biblical legend that has no factual basis in history) .

That and the fact that you went around posting allegations of sockpuppetry on several different talk pages rather than go through the correct channels (CheckUser request, for instance) speaks volumes. SouthernComfort 09:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright, neither of you have any reason to be involved in this, so unless you're following Tim around, I'd appreciate you taking this elsewhere. --InShaneee 14:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Jtdirl

Hi this user is being uncivil, first he went on a spamming talk pages of others: , , , .

Claiming:

"Iranian monarchists seem to want to ensure the article is an OTT hagiography and don't like even mild criticism being added in."

Since then it was OK since we were discussing things in the article's talk page, but then he has started to personalize the matter where in the article's talk page he keeps commenting about me:

"It would be nice if Kash was constructive for once in this page rather than just deleting thinks that don't reflect his opinion"

"Kash's behaviour is getting odder." "Kash's antics here are increasingly bizarre."

Instead of actually discussing my concerns which I have put in the talk page Talk:Reza_Cyrus_Pahlavi#Title, Talk:Reza_Cyrus_Pahlavi#"No evidence has been produced" and Talk:Reza_Cyrus_Pahlavi#Wordings which I had done for every single one - and he chose never to respond to them, he keeps calling my name and personalizing the matter. Can you please remind him to be WP:Civil and WP:AGF as well as stop making this a personal matter? -- - K a s h 23:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

IN RE: WAMC

InShaneee, regardless of any bias you perceive in my WAMC.net Web site, how can the information posted to the WAMC article not be considered reliable if it is wholly based both on WAMC's own IRS tax filings (referenced by two of the links posted on the Wiki entry), and on eyewitness interviews with current and former WAMC employees?

What's the point in having any article posted anywhere in Misplaced Pages if Wiki admins are only going to allow posting of information favorable to a subject, and refuse to accept independently verified information just because it comes via a Web site some on Wiki consider biased? I personally believe The New York Times to be biased on a LOT of issues, so why shouldn't Wiki disallow The Times as a source in articles covering those particular issues? Request that you reconsider your rv of my material. Thanks. Fungible 15:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC

InShaneee, the problem with your line of reasoning on this is that the whole purpose of my WAMC web site -- the whole purpose of any muck-raking investigative Web site -- is that it is devoted to exposing fraud, waste, and abuse -- in this case at public broadcaster WAMC. I have chosen public broadcaster WAMC as my 'specialty'. Therefore, by definition, most if not all of what will be reported on my Web site is going to be articles discrediting practices at the station which are found to be bogus or abusive or illegal or wasteful. The manner in which you are choosing to interpret Wiki policy would have the effect of deleting from Wiki any sources of information that came from independent Web sites dedicated to exposing fraud, waste, and abuse -- meaning just about every single investigative journalist not connected with a major news outlet. Your policy would theoretically delete Matt Drudge's 'scoops'! Once again, I request you reconsider and rv the deleted material. Thanks for your time on this.Fungible 16:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee, it sounds to me as though you have not even read the article cited in my WAMC post.] In my article that is published on my Web site, I have discovered and produced evidence of what appears to be an open-and-shut case of income tax evasion involving WAMC. I quote extensively from the US Tax Code, from IRS' own Web site, as well as from a number of other tax-regulation-oriented Web sites. Plus, I provide links to those reference Web sites so people can see the quotes used. In addition, via links, I post photocopies of pages from WAMC's own IRS Form 990 return. Please read the article first before denying an editor the ability to post relevant investigative material to a Wiki article on grounds that you believe the Web site too biased. Thank you in advance for taking the time to read the article, and when you are finished, please again reconsider and rv the deleted material. Thanks. Fungible 19:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Inshaneee: Please note Jango Davis' entry on the WAMC Discussion page at 22:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC). Please also provide me with a link to the Wiki policy to which you specifically refer. I am trying to come up with a metaphor for what you are telling me. Here's one off the cuff: The equivalent of what you are saying would be for example that Wiki has a new policy not to link to racy TV channels because they run XXX movies and the policy is not to link to or to promote porn. But then what if some time the racy channel decides to run Casablanca every Wednesday at 9PM, then that would mean you still could not allow a link to that movie on that channel on that night at that time because of the policy that the channel was generally too racy. This is only a metaphor but if what you are saying is Wiki's actual current policy, then not only would I be disappointed, but also then it sounds to me that Wiki may have a bad, bad case of "Political Correctness" and "Let's only say nice things". Also, I have to point out that it will drastically hinder original source material from anyone who might be savvy and energetic enough to go out there and dig up new and perhaps damaging material about politicians, public figures and celebrities. i.e.: What if I was in the right place at the right time and got a clear photograph showing Congressman Patrick Kennedy hitting that police barrier the other night in Washington DC. Let's say I also got photos of the cops talking to him, and also a clear photo of him stumbling and red-eyed when he got out of the vehicle, etc.. And let's say I posted the picture on my theoretical Web site that is dedicated to just showing various Kennedys in compromising circumstances. Your no original source policy from negatively perceived Web sites would prevent that critically important photo from appearing on Patrick Kennedy's Wiki article (unless of course I sold it first to NBC or Fox who posted it on their Web sites). Thanks in advance for getting me the link requested above; and also please let me know to whom I should e-mail to escalate this whole issue because I would like to see this policy changed because it reaks of censorship (and as I said PC). Fungible 00:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Civility

If you read that user's edits you'd see that calling then "bizarre" is an understatement. He repeatedly deleted citations and neutral edits to replace them with extremely POV hagiographic edits lacking citations and contradicted by evidence. He posted {{fact}} templates where citations did exist, because the citation didn't match the POV he had repeatedly tried to add in. He has attacked those toning down hagiographic edits and accused them of bias. (I've been acccused of bias even though I have added in edits both supportive of, and critical of, Pahlavi, and added numerous citations into an article which previously had no citations. His behaviour has been criticised widely for such actions. At this stage debating the issue is impossible when the only issue is the conduct of an editor. It seems to be a problem all over with that editor. No amount of politeness seems to get through to him. It is only bluntness that seems to make him notice. FearÉIREANN\ 17:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If he doesn't like bluntness then he better change his behaviour. If he acts bizarrely then I will say it as bluntly as necessary. The problem is with him. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and let an agenda-pusher push his POV edits and vandalise pages. If he doesn't like it, tough. FearÉIREANN\ 17:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Your issuing of threats is being reported. You have a history of threatening users. If you wany to act as a puppet for vandals then you clearly are unfit to be an admin. FearÉIREANN\ 18:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Go off and fight some vandals (for a change) instead of defending them. That is supposed to be job of an admin. Do you even know what being an admin is about? Looking on the evidence of your page, you seem to prefer issuing threats to genuine users. FearÉIREANN\ 18:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Hi, InShaneee. I think you're correct. Constructing such comments in an already touchy situation is unfounded, and certainly unnecessary to diffuse the conflict. It wasn't so much I was angry when I made the comment, its simply that the original post compounded with the additional trolling has been completely unacceptable, and the only way I thought viable to defuse that blatent lie was with a flat-out denial. We are not a troll haven. The original post should have been to discuss comprimise and work to better the article, not to inquire for punishment on the opposing side of a debate. That's not what WP:AN/I is about at all.-Zero 18:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:Emmaroberts

Oh, that's a good point. Thanks. :)--Sean Black 19:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the comment. It would be helpful to take a look at the discussion going on in the History of the Kurds. The problem is the other editors simply remove cited material simply because it does not match what they perceive as truth. I have asked them several times to include their own POV or their sources in that specific paragraph to make it more neutral. Unfortunately, they just want to remove it altogether. The section (Kurds and Zoroastrians) is based on an article from International Journal of Kurdish Studies. The opposing editors claim that it is not a good source, which seems like judging a source just because its contents does not match their views. So the basic problem is that they reject the source. That's why I made that comment. What I meant was none of us were experts on that field so we had to rely on academic sources (articles, books,...) not personal opinions. I would appreciate your feedback.Heja Helweda 20:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Administrators's noticeboard

If you have not seen it already -- - K a s h 20:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah well no one is always right but this time you definately was! :) -- - K a s h 20:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

...And now for something completely different. Since your talk page is very active, would you like Werdnabot to automatically archive it. If so, let me know, and it'll archive all sections older than x days to y page, every 12 hours. Werdna_T@CL 23:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, there's a bot for that? Sure, I'd love that! I've been simply deleting really old discussions, mainly because archiving is a pain. What do I need to do to 'sign up'? --InShaneee 23:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Add {{subst:User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Template|age=(age in days of oldest message in discussions to archive)|target=(insert a target)|dounreplied=(do not insert a value here to have it archive only discussions with >1 timestamp (i.e. replied discussions).)}} Werdna_T@CL 00:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

So just to make sure I've got this right...I'll need to periodically change the second value to update archives...will I need to create the archives myself, or will the first instance do it for me? And what should I do with the last value if I want it to archive everything? Thanks in advance, this is gonna save me a lot of time! --InShaneee 00:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

1. Yes, you will, unless you want them by month, in which case use (!month) as a semi-variable for the current 3-letter abbreviation for the month. 2. It'll create the archives for you; 3. It will archive everything with a timestamp (otherwise it wouldn't know how old everything was and would be confused as to when to archive. Werdna_T@CL 00:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

firstly, use (!month), not !month. Secondly, you need to give the full pagename.. i.e. user talk:Inshaneee/Archive/(!month)06. Thirdly, you can just change the (!month) to {{CURRENTMONTHABBREV}} in the template. Werdna_T@CL 00:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Attacks on Greece666

A newish user Greece666 has received a raft of uncivil comments on User talk:Greece666. A comment from a neutral party would be useful there. I am really getting tired of Miskin and company's ad hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees with them, notably non-nationalistic (or anti-nationalistic) Greeks. --Macrakis 05:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Hay

I want you to award me a medal or tow and also how do I get help?72.57.230.179 02:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

My block of a user you just warned

Hello, InShaneee. Without knowing anything of the background, you saw that User:Dweec was adding links to a website, and you rolled back his edits and gave him a nice, kind, polite, gentle warning. I came along tonight, saw what the website was, blocked Dweec indefinitely, and deleted and partially restored all the pages where he had added the link. If you're interested, you can find out more here and here. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 00:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Your reply to Terryeo

Nicely done, hit the proverbial nail square on the head! Just need to wait for those faxes now huh? :) - Glen _C (Stollery) 18:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on my talk page

Greetings, and thank you for your comment. I understand and appreciate your concern. Shervink 19:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)shervink

Reversions of Scientology

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on a page. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. -- Jpierreg 20:00, 16 May 2006 (GMT)

3RR does not apply when reverted vandalism - Glen _C (Stollery) 20:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Shane (I kinda knew that but thought I'd "watch ya back" so to speak)... I got my eye on the article now anyway :) - hey did you know this page is 170kB! - Glen _C (Stollery) 20:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You would think that in 170 KB, the words Hubbard used to introduce the term could be used, wouldn't you? But instead the term Scientology is presented as a group of beliefs. That wasn't Hubbard's introduction of the term. Beliefs apply to churches, a philosophy (Scientology, Buddhism, etc) contains ideas or tenents or proposals or axioms or theories, but not "beliefs".Its possible I didn't sign this post yesterday when I made it. Terryeo 03:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

User InShanee has in fact reverted back 3 times from the following fairer introduction:

Scientology is a system of beliefs and practices created by American writer L. Ron Hubbard in 1952 as a self-help philosophy. L. Ron Hubbard is mainly regarded by many of his critics as a pulp fiction author.

>> Back to the least fair introduction:

Scientology is a system of beliefs and practices created by American pulp fiction author L. Ron Hubbard in 1952 as a self-help philosophy.

We don’t even know the real name of this “John Attack” (noms de plume)

Now! what looks more like vandalism ?

Here below are links to L. Ron Hubbard's different works:

linkspam removed -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Jpierreg 05:40, 18 May 2006 (GMT)

The real name of "John Attack", as you misspell it, is Jon Atack. HTH, HAND. -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Jon Atack is a "noms de plume" -- Jpierreg 14:53, 18 May 2006 (GMT)

"Nom de plume". Not "noms de plume"; that's making it plural. Why are you so eager to spread the false claim that Jon Atack is a pseudonym? Are you under the illusion that it would somehow make a difference in whether his work can be cited? -- Antaeus Feldspar 15:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Why are you so eager in sourcing pure calumnies --as a reference-- and from this false source ? -- Jpierreg 01:33, 19 May 2006 (GMT)

You left me confused

I've got to say, Shaneee, you left me confused. On one hand you present that certain lawsuits create truth, therefore Clambake.org's presentations are valid. You use the second person plural for that, as if you are a contributer to lawsuits, clambake.org and to the Dianetics and Scientology articles. On the other hand, you haven't edited much in the artlices and when I put the most commonly used official scientology sites in an answer, a site quoted in many of the articles, you make it sound as if I am presenting some revelation or new information on the discussion page. What really confuses me though, is your promise that you would have enough control to "fix up" things. I really don't follow you on that one at all. Terryeo 06:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

"When I put the most commonly used official scientology sites in an answer" -- gee, Terryeo, you seem to have left out the part where you told the anon "Scientology as presented on Misplaced Pages is not 100% factual and you can't depend on it to be. Too many editors work too hard hard to present controversy" just before presenting the "most commonly used official scientology sites". Do you suppose that could possibly have something to do with it? -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

In that article, Scientology at that time, that is exactly correct. The first two sentences of the article present "Scientology is a group of beliefs" or something similar. And that is a false statement. The Church of Scientology may propose beliefs. The philosophy of Scientology does not. It presents information. It is written in books. "Beliefs" are actions that occur in the mind of man, not statements on a page. Scientology is statements on a page. There is the first inaccuaracy. And honestly Feldspar, who could possibly believe that "a glowing mass of entheta" (as your compliment describes it) could ever be 100 % accurate? Entheta, by definition, contains some kind of lie. Terryeo 03:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Same old word-games, Terryeo. Scientology is a system of beliefs. Scientologists believe them, the rest of the world doesn't. End of story. As far as "Entheta, by definition", go back and look up your own definitions. The Scientology glossary says entheta is "enturbulated theta (thought or life): it especially refers to communications which, based on lies and confusions, are slanderous, choppy or destructive in an attempt to overwhelm or suppress a person or group." "Enturbulated" in turn means "turbulent or agitated and disturbed". So your claim that entheta contains some kind of lie by definition is completely false; information which is completely 100% factual is still considered "entheta" by Scientologists if it makes them feel "turbulent or agitated and disturbed." Which is why many of us are proud to make "entheta" available to the public; we do not share the Scientology belief that how a piece of information makes you feel is more significant than whether or not it is true. -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I explained this to him, but he's clearly not here to help the site. --InShaneee 19:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

You did explain to me and I replied to you that I understood why you did what you did. You are utterly and completely mistaken though, about "he's not here to help the site". It is nearly a personal attack to state that InShaneee. We might have vastly different views of a subject and we might disagree whether "Scientology is a secretive religion" or "Scientology is a relgion with some secrets", but that isn't the issue that you are confronting me about. You are confronting me about Misplaced Pages becoming a more popular, more relied upon website. You are mistaken to state that I am not here to contribute. Terryeo 03:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Terryeo, if it's a "personal attack" for us to state that you are not here to contribute, then you'd better get cracking and take down your page which personally attacks us by alleging that we are here to spread controversy rather than contribute, hmmm? Hmmmm, maybe I should bring that to the ArbCom's attention, that you consider such a statement to be a personal attack on yourself but you created an entire page for no other purpose than to make that personal attack upon others... -- Antaeus Feldspar 14:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

User dispute

Would you mind looking into a user dispute? I have a rather lenghty evidence I posted at ANB/I that has been siting there for some time now.

I believe user:Moby Dick is also stalking me. An arbitration hearing found Davenbelle to be stalking. I feel User:Moby Dick is a user:Davenbelle sockpuppet and hence is attempting to evade arbitration restrictions.

I assumed you would volunteer to investigate. --Cat out 19:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you think he's a sockpuppet, I'd think the first place to go would be RfCu... --InShaneee 23:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok done, see: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Moby Dick --Cat out 09:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Anon using sock puppets to vandalise

Hi Shane, where would I notify of a user doing the above? User:65.189.204.197 & User:65.25.1.215 tag teaming on C.C. DeVille amongst other articles. Thanks in advance, - Glen _C (Stollery) 00:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

God bless! :) - Glen _C (Stollery) 01:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

3-RR question

Is finding different ways of saying the same thing, and adding them to an article, considered reverting? For example, supposing an editor inserted into the article the following statement:

About his own religious stance, he said: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

and somebody deleted it. Next the editor inserted:

"Some say Hitler wasn't a Catholic, but he was faithful to the Church his whole life",

and someone else deleted it. Then the editor inserted,

"The Führer remained loyal to the Vatican for all his days "

and that too was deleted. Then he inserted,

"The faith with which Adolf was raised never left his heart,"

and again it was deleted. Has the editor inserting the statements made any reverts at all, for purposes of the 3-RR rule? Please reply here, I'm watching this page. Drogo Underburrow 01:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tila Nguyen

I see that you added a cleanup tag to the Tila Nguyen article without explaining what makes it read as an ad. Can you please check Talk:Tila Nguyen#Cleanup notice? --LBMixPro 02:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Werdnabot malfunction

Hey -- Werdnabot recently created a page !month that looked like an archive of your talk page. I cut & pasted the content to the redlink at the top of this page, because I figured it should go there... but you might want to check it. Mangojuice 03:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Civility

You are suggesting that I lack civility in my discussions, im sorry but what do you call this? : "I'm not sure if English is your first language or whether you have cognitive issues but the meer suggestion that a new user such as yourself that jumps into controversial topics might perhaps be a sockpuppet is not only not a personal attack but a daily occurance on wikipedia. Fear not, this is not turkey or mongolia. You are innocent until proven otherwise.--Eupator 15:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)" or this "That bullcrap was merely copy pasted from already discredited propaganda websites. The scoundrel didn't even bother to paraphrase that baloney.--Eupator 17:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)" or this "So Lucifer, you mean to tell me that in this freedom of speech paradise anyone can go and burn the turkish flag in ankara like we can do here in the US with our flag? Can the average Joe deface an image of your God ataturk like we can do in Europe or the States with our leaders images and whatnot? Go feed your crap to someone else troll and enough of this irrelevant spamming. This is not a discussion forum.--Eupator 18:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)" Lutherian 05:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

can I get an answer pls? Lutherian 17:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

--Eupator 17:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

In the 18 hours since his warning, Lutherian (talk • contribs) has managed a few more personal attacks and incivilities. This attack, this incivility, this trolling, this trolling, this incivility. I'm not exactly brimming with good faith, true, but I cannot identify a single good-faith, constructive edit by Lutherian. Ever. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of civility, I’d like you to take a loot at the following excerpts that user Fadix (talk • contribs) frequently uses in the discussion pages. Clearly, Fadix has an attitude problem; he/she’s aggressively pushing his/her POV in Armenian Genocide article and constantly making personal attacks and falsely accusing other editors who happen to hold different views other than his/her own. I’m a recent victim of his/her accusations. I’m just going to give examples from one discussion Fadix is involved and how he/she kept accusing me being some other user. If need be, I can provide many other examples his/her accusations to other users.

“That's simply non-sense.”

“...stop pulling my legs and pretend that you are actually saying something.”

“Stop wasting my time with made up things to pretend that you have anything valuable here.”

“If you don't know of what you are talking about, just don't talk about it.”''

His false accusation about me (being user Torque or an anon user) and also about others:

“Twisting my words again? If you don't want others suspecting you and really await from people to check the history of contributions and making the differences between all the different IP addresses you would have used your other logins. Also isen't it amazing that this new anonyma you are is so obstinently trying to discredit Dadrian with the materials used by our dear pall Holdwater AKA Torque? Well, I do admit I think it's my pall Torque there. :) And his pall, or else why would all those anonymous users had attempted to get my friends tallarmeniantale website back down here reinculding it repeatdly in the article? Why would it be else, that Mr. Deepblue add this mistakes which is proper to Holdwater in the article about Dadrian claiming that he bases his cases on the Andonians, when he wrote a single paper on the subject . :) I see that you still like to use your favoured term 'onus' back from the forum genocide.com. :)”

A part of my response included “Unless you can prove that I made the above edit about Dadrian as you accuse (or unless you apologize for your mistake), I declare you as a psycho paranoid liar.” by Deepblue06

He admitted his mistake with no apology but continued to accuse me being another user, being user Neurobio this time: “Yes indeed it was a mistake, I was addressing to 82.145.232.143, AKA Lutherian who obstinently in the past tried re-adding tallarmeniantale website. I got mixed up between both usernames. My Mr.Deepblue should have been read as Mr. Lutherian, and my belief about you should have been Mr. Deepblue=Neurobio.”

Fadix clearly has an attitude problem always using an aggressive attacking tone and making impossible for others to contribute to the article by constantly pushing his POV. Looking at his/her other edits in discussion pages might quickly reveal his/her attitude problem. Deepblue06 21:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment

The said person is a not a wikipedia user.--Eupator 18:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

The policy states "other (Misplaced Pages) contributors". Maybe you should modify it... Such as? I'll take my chance with an RFC any day over lack of respect towards trolls.--Eupator 20:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

You need to a be a little more clear, which users? A troll by default is also a user.--Eupator 20:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

What if they are a troll and trolling? You yourself have accused other users of trolling or being a troll. Here's one example: I'm sure others can be found.--Eupator 20:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Uhu. So now we determined that we can use the word troll and trolling but we can't throw it around in a debate (I don't recall debating with a troll), is there a procedure or a policy that scrutinizies the issue at hand in regards to when and where it is proper to accuse someone of trolling?--Eupator 22:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

We were making some headway there but now we're back to where we started. Let me be more blunt, is it a) I can use the word and you cant or b) I regret using the word in the past and promise not to ever use it again.

--Eupator 22:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well that's your pov, in an attempt (as poor as it may be) to be balanced; however, it can easily be shown that I wasn't the only one to refer to the said user as a troll or his actions as trolling and that there is a growing consensus among others.--Eupator 22:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about butting in, but I agree with Eupator. Lutherian is jabbing where the skin is thinnest; he's obviously here to get a rise out of people. Hakob 22:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

You can agree with him if you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that he is wrong. Even if you are being provoked, there is no excuse for making personal attacks. --InShaneee 23:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Once again, show me where I have disrespected another user in a manner that you haven't done yourself. This is borderline harassment.--Eupator 23:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Fine, it appears that there's no reasoning with you regarding this matter, i'll drop a line when the user whose only contributions are shady reverts and provocations on talk pages eventually gets banned. I'll leave with the satisfaction of having pointed out the hypocrisy that you yourself have accused other users of trolling in the recent past.--Eupator 23:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Characters of Megatokyo

The merges put on the page don't make much sense because the new versions were exact copies of the orriginal. Then the old character page had all of its links removed and was left alone. So merging it would be pretty pointless. I mean this in no offence I just wish to point out why I am against merging the articles. Sorry if this annoys you Vcelloho 23:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

==Accusations of personal attacks==

Hi, please read WP:NPA. My comments that I was disregarding another user's comments are not personal attacks. Please remove the comments from my talk page or reply on my talk page if you feel they should stay. Paul Cyr 02:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

1. Atack, Jon (1990). A Piece of Blue Sky. New York, NY: Carol Publishing Group. ISBN 081840499X.