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POV issue

Recent expansions of this article by User:Sirjohnhackett are of an anti-Dix nature, with no attempt to present both sides of the story or any other policies than "political indictments" (without any balance) or to expand any regular biographical information on Dix which is normal in BLPs. Sirjohnhackett's attempts to purge the Christy Clark article of negative material about her have been redirected towards adding negative material about one of the leading NDP leadership candidate. COI cannot easiliy be proven (i.e. that sijohnhackett is a Liberal member/Clark campaign organizer) but is clearly indicated by the defensived edits on the Clark article here, and by the negative-addition edits here. COI means that anyone of any party editing political articles is in conflict-of-interest; not just ones connected to their own parties directly. Activity of this kind, pro and con, on all leadership articles in the current BC political climate bear close watching for COI/POV-type edits of this kind; in this case there's nothing directly wrong with the material on teh Fast Ferries or Casinogate, but adding it without adding anything else is WP:UNDUE in nature and is of course meant to have a POV impact. Fast Ferries wasn't really a scandal, and was only branded that by teh Liberal-oriented/allied BC newspapers; there was no influence peddling, graft or illegal lobbying as there was, for example, re the BC Rail sell-off under the Liberals; Fast FErries was just bad management - the real scandal is that they were pretty much given by the Campbell government to Liberal backers Washington Marine Group for less than the cost of the scrap metal, and were sold for huge profit. But the Liberal press didn't brand that a "scandal"....previous sirjohnhackett edits here attempted to say more about Glen Clark and make it sound like he was convicted, instead of exonerated as was teh actual case re Casinogate, which was another Liberal witchhunt; this particular SPA needs close watching for POV/COI activity.Skookum1 (talk) 19:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Physician, Heal Thyself

First of all, as a clear and fanatical NDP advocate, Skookum doesn't have much of a leg to stand on here. If he doesn't like a reference to the Fast Ferries Scandal (as it's been known in British Columbia for more than a decade), than he should take issue with the people who named the article in question (actually, he did).

As to the question of due versus undue weight - I think that the article is quite fairly weighted at the present time. Dix is notable mostly for his service to a disgraced Premier - I can't think of a single thing worth mentioning about his entirely undistinguished tenure in the legislature. If some other fellow can think of one, they're more than free to add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirjohnhackett (talk • contribs) 06:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

First off, I'm not an NDPer and I think both parties should go down in flames for a combination of ineptitude and dishonesty, and I think the party system in BC has failed democracy miserably and the public interest even more. I hope a third and fourth party emerge this year to turf you both into oblivion where you belong (even if it's the Tories). That being said, I have raised the issue at Talk:Fast Ferries Scandal and the rebuttal is that the "reliable sources" use the term (these being the Sun and Province who aided and abetted the Liberal witchhunt against the NDP for 1991-2001 (and since). So for now that article is what it is; but in this case this article is about Adrian Dix, and the norms of BLP call for balanced coverage; your original edit was very pointedly defamatory towards Glen Clark, who was exonerated even though you didn't say that, and obviously don't like it that he was. And what you added wasn't about Adrian Dix, either; the current edits stand because you didn't slant them directly; but you made no effort to say anything else, or add anything about what else he did while Deputy Premier, in teh same way that Christy's article contains information about her legislative and policy record. You don't like that it also will include things that you don't want known about her, but you don't WP:OWN that article and further censorship attempts for political reasons will not be tolerated by me, or anyone - I'm not an NDPer but you seem clearly a Liberal and so should read again (if you haven't already) WP:COI and WP:POV and WP:SOAP. It's a compliment to Dix, in fact, that his is the first article where evidence of leadership-campaign interference in his article by an opponent has shown up; must mean he's viewed as a serious threat....and it's such an old saw whenever the Liberal wagons are circled in defensive mode to attack the NDP record of -- 15 years ago? "Fast Ferries, Fast Ferries, Fast Ferries!!!" goes the refrain in blogspace, as if it weren't over and done with and hadn't happened yesterday, and as if they Libs hadn't pretty much given the ferries to one of their friends as a campaign-support reward....and the other refrain is "Glen Clark was in conflict of interest....yadayadayada..." wthout the same trolls ever admitting that he was acquitted and with everyone who remembers the non-CanWEst coverage of those events knowing that it was a Liberal frame-up with suspicious circumstantial evidence of collusion with the RCMP and BCTV (and the fact that retired RCMP were behind a competing casino bid to Pilarinos's).....BC politics is a can of worms, to be sure...so you should think twice about opening various cans of worms, as some of your own worms are probably in there too....Skookum1 (talk) 07:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I find it somewhat difficult to believe that someone who apparently considers Bill Tieleman a legitimate source but objects to the only two daily newspapers in the Lower Mainland can really pretend to be an objective observer of anything. Your views, in essence, attempt to substitute your own individual reality for that experienced by the overwhelming majority of British Columbians - one where Glen Clark isn't disgraced and where the NDP's destructive reign's end was brought about by "witchhunts" instead of by Clark's corruption.

I've added this to Dix because, frankly people ought to know about his pattern of plainly unethical conduct over a number of years. That's why this information belongs in this article. If you have good information - equally notable - about him, add it. But, as I said before, all I see is someone with a number of notable and public ethical lapses and an entirely undistinguished record as a legislator. I haven't added anything of this sort to, say, Mike Farnworth or John Horgan's article because I am not aware of similar conduct by them, or by any other candidate.

Indeed, your comments here reveal a very base hypocrisy. While you use the Christy Clark article in an attempt to engage in clear guilt-by-association tactics and to thereby smear multiple individuals, here you attempt to cover up or minimize the clear and admitted guilty conduct of individuals.Sirjohnhackett (talk) 07:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Pffft. How did I cover them up? You mean deleting the entry you made trying to behave as if Clark had been found guilty, when he wasn't, is that what you mean? Throwing accusations at me is unfounded; all I've done is observed that this article is not fully balanced and that your recent additions are only "more of the same" Liberal tub-thumping on pet anti-NDP warhorses of Liberal blog-trolls, and that your efforts here mirror those. The hypocrisy is yours, not mine - your only participation in Misplaced Pages so far is to try and censor the Christy Clark article, and here to add only defamatory information about a major Liberal opponent/electoral threat. And the only edits I've made here were to reverse an off-topic and not-neutral attempt to indict Glen Clark for something that he was acquitted of, and exonerated for; even the cite you provided didn't do that, but you tried to pretend it did. Give your head a shake, and read WP:BLP, WP:COI, WP:POV/WP:NPOV and WP:SOAP. If you're the Liberal party campaign worker you seem to be, you're in COI on both articles.Skookum1 (talk) 07:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing Dix from the "forgers" category is very revealing on the part of Skookum.

First of all, Dix admits to the forgery (or, "back-dating" to use the phrase used by his kindest advocates of the memo in question. And, further, your claim that Category:Forgers only includes those "convicted" is entirely false: http://en.wikipedia.org/Sir_Edmund_Backhouse,_2nd_Baronet http://en.wikipedia.org/Barakat_Fahim_Ali_Mohamed http://en.wikipedia.org/Annio_da_Viterbo#Detection_of_his_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/Benedict_Levita http://en.wikipedia.org/Charles_Bertram

Etc, etc. I'm restoring the category. And, as I said before, I'm not going to accept the NPOV tag from someone with such a clearly distorted viewpoint on the truth - to the point, as referenced above, that they apparrently refuse to accept the major newspapers in this Province as credible sources. Sirjohnhackett (talk) 08:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

They're widely known not to be credible sources about anything to do with the BC Liberals, which is why the public turns increasingly to the blogs, and to the Globe & Mail, for more complete and less biased coverage than what's available in the Sun and Province.Skookum1 (talk) 19:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

"Known" by who? You? Your current position is to reject the validity of all major local news outlets and substitute for them your own version of reality.

You are clearly a partisan advocate of the NDP, insofar as the focus of your activity is to attempt to keep (true) adverse information out of NDP-related articles while defending false and defamatory information that has been inserted into Liberal ones. Sirjohnhackett (talk) 23:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from ErinLoxam, 18 April 2011

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I uploaded this picture of him. I thought it would be good to add it to Adrian Dix's page now that he is the leader of the party.

ErinLoxam (talk) 06:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Portrait versions usually work better for the infobox. 117Avenue (talk) 06:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

 Added as requested. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Time to expand

It is time to allow changes to this article again. There have been significant developments in provincial politics in BC and this article is currently barely more than a stub.

Simple items like adding his political role as Leader of the Official Opposition and Leader of the BC NDP are both required changes. There are more significant additions required as well. Now that Adrian Dix leads the BC NDP this article simply needs much more work that can only be accomplished through community collaboration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.175.244 (talk • contribs) 8:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Restoration of balance and reasonable neutrality

I have cleaned up grammar and style where necessary, and imposed a more balanced tone. The personal background section is probably adequate, since the point is to show that Mr Dix has, like most British Columbia politicians, roots in the community he represents. I have also changed the language of the section concerning Dix's resignation from the Office of the Premier; it verged on libel as it was. I propose to add 2-3 more footnotes and references, for example, detailing Dix's university education (he is a UBC graduate), and am considering adding one or two facts (without interpretation) about legislative exchanges between Dix and the current Premier of the Province, Christy Clark.

Misplaced Pages will continue to exist long after all these people are dead and gone, so there may be little point adding much more detail than this. On the other hand, I would like to make the case that this is not a "stub" and should be promoted to a higher category of "quality" in the Misplaced Pages system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montaigne1944 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have removed all of your additions, as it was unreferenced, which is a violation of the biographies of living persons policy. 117Avenue (talk) 22:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I shall restore them all, of course, as you would expect. Now, it's true I added only four new references. So I'll add another one per phrase and clause. That will make quite a long list of references, but I don't think that will be a big problem, and anyway, the subject of the article is interesting. The difficulty will be the Misplaced Pages rule that says one is not to include original research (for example, archival research at the UBC Special Collections department, which includes references to Mr Dix's graduate from UBC). I quite like making references and footnotes, having been a professional historian for the past forty-odd years, so I don't mind. But it *will* be interesting to see how the usual rules about archivalism and and originality are applied here. I'm a little alarmed that the errors of grammar and style in the original have been left. If you are the author of this piece, perhaps you could fix them before I come back tomorrow to do the next round of detailed referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montaigne1944 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at some example featured articles, articles with long lists of references are honoured. 117Avenue (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Date of Birth

It's April 12, 1964. Here's the source: http://www.bcndp.ca/events/2012/04/26/adrians-birthday-party I'll leave it to greater minds than mind to update the entry page itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.81.148.133 (talk) 02:23, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit war re back-dated memo material

This has been reported to BLP Noticeboard and is in need of at least a semi-protect. The material added is claimed to be NPOV and is claimed to be coming from someone who claims no political affiliation, but is repeating the BC Lib talking points and even tried to use a cite that directed people to the attack ad against Dix. The re-inserted material conflates the incident, in the same way the BC Liberal ads and media hype and other internet forums/UGC spaces are doing, and it WP:UNDUE as well as highly POV and partisan in tone. I'm at my own 3RR on this so will desist though may try to get a properly worded and neutrally-cited account of his matter......that this issue is part of a highly visible attack ad campaign makes the complaint that *I* am being partisan and the person doing it claims to be non-partisan, while accusing me of being an NDP supporter (I am not an NDPer, nor will I be voting for them) all the more ridiculous. This notice/discussion is required to be posted here before I can complete the 3RR notice, which may lead to the SPA's suspension, especially if it comes out through CHECKUSER that he/she is the same as the previous IP users who have attempted to insert (and re-insert) the same material.Skookum1 (talk) 06:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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