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Personal section dates do not add up

This section does not make sense at all: "She took Mandy with her to live in the house of Faces keyboard player Ian McLagan, with whom she was having an affair, and divorced Moon in 1975, who had been dating Annette Walter-Lax since 1974. Before his divorce Moon dated Georgiana Steele, a British-born former fashion model who worked in their quadrophonic recording studio, Ramport, in Battersea. In 1976, Moon began dating Swedish model Annette Walter-Lax, and a year later Moon and Kerrigan divorced."

The dates in the first sentence are contradicted in the second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwtchable (talk • contribs) 16:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Stick Grip

There should be some mention of Moon using the non standard French grip vs. standard or matched grip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.66.62 (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Vocals

The article currently says "Moon can be heard singing on several Who tracks," including a section of "A Quick One," "Armenia City in the Sky," "Bell Boy," "Pictures of Lily," "Instant Party Mixture," "Bucket T" and "Barbara Ann."

It's certain that he does lead vocals on "Bell Boy," "Bucket T," and "Barbara Ann." I'm not familiar with "Instant Party Mixture" and I've never given "Pictures of Lily" a good listen. However, I know that he doesn't sing lead on "A Quick One" (that statement may come from my own earlier, erroneous one) or "Armenia City in the Sky" (an error from another source). And is this meant to include only lead vocals, or backing as well? 65.244.131.146 (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

He certainly doesn't sing LEAD vocals on any tracks but the three mentioned; his voice is not apparent on "Instant Party", but he could be singing backing vocals on any or all of the others mentioned. However, it was well known within the Who that Keith wasn't great at holding a harmony, and according to Tony Fletcher they would often deliberately turn his vocal mic down onstage - so, who knows! 194.82.96.254 (talk) 10:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

What about Keit Moon Drum Set's He Created —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.96.180 (talk) 13:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Tranquilizer Incident

There was no mention of the concert where Keith Moon passed out during "Won't Get Fooled Again" from taking horse or elephant tranquilizers (PCP?). After they took him from the stage Townshend asked an audience member to play the drums for them. I would put it in there myself, but I don't have sufficient information on the event. This could be put in the Trivia or the "A reputation for destruction" sections. BigSciZot 19:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

If it is of any help to you, I know the venue was called "Cow Palace", it was in 1973, and the replacement drummer was named Scott Harpin.--Bappzannigan 23:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

In fact, it's Scott HALPIN. This event is now in the article; footage of Keith passing out and being replaced at the drums by Halpin is now on youtube.com! 194.82.96.254 (talk) 10:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Excessive POV

Someone needs to re-write this article. It was obviously written by a fan and has a lot of POV!

  *The POV is restating the opinion of others.  I see nothing wrong with the article.

Virtually every Misplaced Pages article on popular music seems to have been written by fans of various artists and groups, and has excessive and egregious POV. Every group is presented as being innovative and the best ever, every singer/songwriter as being among the best songwriters ever, such opinions invariably justified with the ubiquitous "most think" or "many believe." For instance, in this article Moon, undoubtedly an outstanding and original drummer, is cited as being the first to play lead drums in an era when drums were in the background. Really? How many people who write rock music articles for Misplaced Pages know anything about jazz? How many are familiar with the careers of Jo Jones, Kenny Clarke, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Elvin Jones, et cetera? Articles on various subjects in the Misplaced Pages project are quite good, but most popular music articles are nothing but fanboy blather, have little encyclopedic merit, and need major overhaul and rewrite by people who know more about music history than just the three or four bands that they listen to exclusively 24-7.PJtP (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree not sure what POV stands for mind you but I am sure it's not good. Errors!! He said lead balloon not zepellin, the last line about 3 remaining members need to be revised and the car in the pool most likely did happen. I have a source on that and will try and find it ASAP.

Hang on, the Misplaced Pages article on Led Zeppelin quotes Moon as predicting the group would "go over like a lead zeppelin", not a lead balloon. Which one is it, Misplaced Pages?

I put this quote in to Wikiquote. I found this quote in a book. Keith Moon said: "You'll sink, not like a lead balloon, but even faster, like a led zeppelin." Therefore he used both the analogy of a lead balloon and a lead zeppelin, hence the name of the group. -The Seeker

what the hell difference does it keith moon rules make?Joeyramoney 05:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I found a site that says Moon died of an overdose from the drug Heminevrin http://www.classicrockpage.com/rrheaven/kmoon.htm Should it be changed in the article? I found two sites that coincide on the drug and I think it should be changed. It's not right to have it wrong, and I understand the site I gave may be wrong, but I think it should be looked into.

style?

Which is it? Is Moon's drumming "tight", or "anarchic and out-of-control"?

--Re style:--

"Thight" player what comes to timing, "anarchic and out-of-control" what comes to creativity and improvisation.

He was a great mix of both, watch a video of him playing my generation (i'm sure there are better demonstrations but i'm not too hardcore a fan) and you'll notice that his playing would take him all over the place but he was able to stop on a dime in a really amazing way. --Cptbuck 02:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

He knew exactly when the band needed timing from the drums, and gave them it then. The rest of it was complete mad energy.

Moon's sense of time and melodic structure were both impeccable. Every note he played was just where it needed to be. (ever listen to 'the ox' from 'the who sings my generation') ? - his playing was unpredictable and insane, and his energy was off the charts - but I'd never call it out of control.

it says "Contemporary drummers and percussionists such as Neil Peart, Mitch Mitchell, Jeremiah Green and John Bonham could all point to him as a major influence." now, most of these guys were playing the drums while Moon was still in high school. Mitch Mitchell might have been in the club circut already, Neil Peart may be the only realistic one there.

Interesting, but it is quite possible to be influenced by a younger musician after one has started a career, and excellent drummers like the ones mentioned were constantly evolving.

Led Zeppelin / Lead Balloon

According to John Entwistle the original comment was "Lead Balloon", which fits with traditional English slang of the time. It's a term that has now pretty much faded from everyday use.

The "balloon" became a "zeppelin" for obvious reasons. The name was originally going to be used by Entwistle and Moon for their own band when they seriously considered leaving The Who (sometime around 1968) due to all the internal conflict.

A keen artist, Entwistle also claimed that he'd designed a rough album cover for this project....which featured a Zeppelin going down in flames....and the next time he saw an album with this image on the front, it was a certain other band....

Bisexuality?

There is no evidence whatsoever of Moon being bisexual. The only bisexual in the Who was Pete Townshend(no he's not 76.185.106.214 20:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)). This is why I have removed the link to the GLBT category. Prairie Dog

Pete

Pete Townshend has denied claims that he is bisexual.

The rumours about Pete Townshend being bisexual originated from an interview where he described the song "Rough Boys" from his album "Empty Glass" as an account of his "gay life." Many people interpreted this as a coming-out. However, Townshend has clarified his statement as simply being a reference toward his friendships with people who are gay. He denies all accusations of him being a bisexual.

HE WAS EXPERIMENTING WHILST A YOUNG MAN sLIGHTLY GAY AND WELL INTO SEX WITH GIRLS

The Car/Swimming Pool Rumor

Another rumor thats not necissarily true about kieth is that he watched the buddy holly story the night he died. Rolling Stone's 1000th issue said that this isn't true. I don't know anything about it, but it would be worth investigating.

He did drive a car into a pond first after having an argument at tara with kim.

On Topgear (12/12/2004), Roger Daltry says (when asked about Keith Moon driving a car into a swimming pool): "I didn't see it, but I saw the bill". "I did see a bill for retrieving a Lincoln Continental from the swimming pool".

This isn't necessarily conclusive evidence, but it might be worth noting that there is still some debate about that particular event.

I saw a documentary series a few years ago called "Rock 'n' Roll Myths" that had an episode about this rumor. They talked to John, Roger and Pete alongside many of Keith's friends and employees of hotels that he had visited, but none remembered this happening. He did, however, drive his Rolls Royce into a river. There's a popular photo of this, which appears in the 'Cobwebs and Strange' section of the 'Kids Are Alright' movie. 87th 21:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't remember which site I found this on, but Roger Daltrey says that he remembered the bill being $50,000 and that or he had been living another life or something.

Autistic

From http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1399761,00.html

In this interview, Roger Daltrey speculates on whether Moon might have been autistic. Might be interesting to put in the article

"Keith was a savant," he says. "The most amazing mimic. He could vacuum a character off someone in 10 minutes and he would then become them. Not just a caricature, he'd get inside. It was scary! He may have been a little bit autistic; we didn't know about those things then. There was definitely something different in his head."

Year of birth

Ok, so I changed his birth category to match the article (1947 > 1946), and the text has now been changed from 1946 > 1947 - plaus the note afterwards now seems to suggest it might have been 1948! Is there a definitive reference out there? sjorford (?!) 11:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

If you want to know any of the above for sure, read Dear Boy: The life of Keith Moon by Tony Fletcher. Nuff said.

His birth certificate claims 1946. If there are any conjections, maybe we should scan the birth certificate on the page? I tend to believe its authenticity seeing as both his mother and sister have endorsed this date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bri2dope (talk • contribs) 21:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely 1946 - birth certificates don't lie - and the birthday party at the Holiday Inn in Flint, Michigan was therefore his 21st - can this be changed? 194.82.96.254 (talk) 10:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Goldfish

Why isn't there anythign about his Goldfish Tank from The Tommy and Quadrophenia Live! Documentaries? I believe when asked why he had the goldfish in the tank next to his drumset, he replied, "Even the best drummers get hungry sometimes."

Legovan 17:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Death of Neil Boland

Neil Boland's daughter has tried to investigate her father's death and reports that witnesses said Moon was not driving the car. See her website at: http://del_pasado.tripod.com/keithmoonwasnotdriving/Pkeets 17:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Muppet Babies

I loved the article written about Keith Moon, but I would like to add one more thing that I have heard about him that might be nice to add into this article.

I have heard from different people that the character "Animal" from the muppet babies, is loosly based on keith moon, his style of play, and his life style. after researchin i found that there is already an article that has this info in it under the title "dr. teeth and the eletric mayhem" so if possible it would be cool to link these two together somehow.

Maybe it's time for a Trivia section? With trivia sections though, they have to be watched carefully, as mundane facts and repetitive information tend to find their way into them. OsFan 22:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Biography

I've taken out a LOT of the biography section as the information was already in the article in other places. Also, a hell of a lot of it is unsourced, so I've stuck {{Fact}} tags everywhere. This needs to be sorted out sharpish. MightyMoose22 03:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Most of the "unsourced" items come from Tony Fletcher's biography of Moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.208.174 (talk • contribs)

Well that's good, but they're still unsourced. If you can give them reference tags saying which page of the book they each appear on (or at least which chapter), then they will no longer be unsourced. MightyMoose22 22:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I've got a copy of "Dear Boy" upstairs - it's a very good read and has been praised for its research. It was the first book to give Moon's correct birth date with a picture of his birth certificate. I can pull out the relevant chapters without too much hassle. --Ritchie333 20:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I corrected a few things

1. he played a Ringo Drum

2. he was also heavily influenced by the beach boys, AND played that kind of music. Here is my source - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxXwdtItXM

-TheBird

When you say he played a Ringo drum kit, do you mean one that was used by Ringo Starr? If so, that seems a bit unlikely, because at 14, it was 1960, The Beatles really didn't become popular for a few years later. JetPack 11:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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Spirit of Keith Moon

There's a song called "Spirit of Keith Moon", published by the band "Peter and the Test Tube Babies" on their 1986 album "Soberphobia". It describes a 1st person character being instructed by Keith's spirit "through the psychic telephone" to rearrange his hotel room. Where does such a piece of information belong? 82.82.166.99 11:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The pop culture section. OsFan 22:21, 10 December 2006

he used to be in the SEA CADETS AND PLAYED THE BUGLE THEM SWAPED TO PLAY THE DRUMS

SIGNED LOL: # YOUR MUM.COM

ADHD

"It is possible that Moon had undiagnosed ADHD. This affliction was known at the time, but in a much lesser degree and may have been ignored. Moon later got heavily into drugs, especially amphetamines. Amphetamines in small doses is a common medication for ADHD, as it helps the patient concentrating. Moon's dependency on this drug somewhat strengthens the theory that he had ADHD, his positive experiences may be caused by better focus and a clearer mind, in addition to the more recreational effects of the drug." Are there any references to back this up, or is it all just speculation? SilentC 02:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Moon's daughter, Mandy, also suspects her father had undiagnosed ADHD and said so recently in an interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.7.178 (talk) 14:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Keith Moon bar

Why does the bit saying that one of the bars at the London Astoria is named after him as a tribute require a citation?

Probably because somebody could be full of shit. That's why. CynicofWiki 18:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

early life

those uncited statements were said on VH1 behind the music.

Shouldn't they be cited as such? Just because you know where citations are coming from doesn't mean that everyone else does. Besides, it's the lack of citing here that leads to situations like that guy accused of killing JFK and RFK. CynicofWiki 18:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Flags

KIETH MOON was a class drummer he embedded a piece of cymbal in his left arm when he packed his drumkit with explosives and assulted the previous drummer of the who doug sandom after a disagree ment he was hurt like bad

thanks signed lol: your mum.com

Moved here from article

Keith Moon in popular culture

As of September 29, 2005, comedian and actor Mike Myers has been signed on to play the lead role in an upcoming biopic of Moon. The film has been titled See Me Feel Me: Keith Moon Naked For Your Pleasure. Scheduled for a 2009 release, See Me Feel Me will be produced by Roger Daltrey, Nigel Sinclair, and Paul Gerber.

American rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers vocalist, Anthony Kiedis, released a memoir titled, Scar Tissue. The autobiography states that as a child, Kiedis would go to clubs with his dad, where his dad would sell drugs to Moon.

On June 8, 2006, The Onion featured a Radio News piece titled, "Researchers At Keith Moon Institute Destroy Institute".

London punk band Peter and the Test Tube Babies wrote a song titled 'Spirit of Keith Moon' based on his wild personality and indulgence in destruction.

In a strip of the comic Achewood from April 2006, character Ray Smuckles finds Keith Moon's head preserved in vodka, available to buy on the fictional online-auction service, eBay Platinum Reserve. The head later comes to life and flips around in the jar before being phased out of the strip, its final fate left unknown.

Internet cartoonist Jonti Picking's 2006 series of webtoon shorts (Anything Can Happen) On the Moon depicts the deceased Keith Moon (referred to as "Moon Keith Moon") living on the moon in the form of a metal urn of his ashes, labelled with the words "R.I.P. Keith".

In the 1997 PlayStation game Gex: Enter the Gecko, the lead character Gex can be heard saying "This one's for Keith Moon!"

In the 1993 film Wayne's World 2, a veteran roadie tells how he, David Crosby and Keith Moon broke into a sweet shop in Sri Lanka to steal one thousand brown M&M's to fill a brandy glass, otherwise "Ozzy wouldn't go on stage that night".

Moon is referenced as one of the supernatural acts to appear in the television version of Stephen King's Nightmares and Dreamscapes in You Know They Got a Hell of a Band. His name was also mentioned in the original short story of the same name.

Late comedian Bill Hicks, as part of his act, once sarcastically imagined what it would be like to have 'real' rockstars endorsing products in TV commercials instead of popstars. Among those he mentioned was Keith Moon advertising Snickers.

In the TV series Psych, lead character Shawn Spencer makes a reference to him as a person who trashed his hotel room.

During a montage in School of Rock, the video shows a short clip of Keith Moon's drumming.

In the 2001 TV movie "Hysteria: The Def Leppard Story" drummer Rick Allen of Def Leppard is portrayed imitating famous drummers for his band mates. He hits the cymbals and then falls backwards off his stool as the rest of his band exclaims "Keith Moon!". Also, later in the movie, Rick Allen is shown struggling to get used to his new electronic drums since his accident that cost him his left arm and seemingly falls off his stool by accident. His band mates look alarmed until he looks up at them and says reassuringly, "Keith Moon".

In the comedy series Absolutely Fabulous, Edina remarks to Saffron, "You know, Patsy used to date Keith Moon", to which Patsy responds, "Well, sort of. I woke up underneath him in a hotel room once."

On the British automotive show Top Gear, presenter Jeremy Clarkson replicated the Rolls-Royce swimming pool stunt by driving a 1976 Silver Shadow into a newly refurbished swimming pool in his hometown of Chipping Norton. Clarkson claimed that he was inspired by Keith Moon's stunt. Tony Fletcher writes in his book "Moon, Life and Death of a Rock Legend" that the swimming pool incident never actually took place.

On Stella when the three blokes thought they were sent to heaven, David Wain wonders what kinds of "jam sessions" they might have there. He thinks "on guitar, Jimi Hendrix; on drums, Keith Moon; and on lead vocals 'the guy from Blind Melon'", referring to the ethereal tone of Shannon Hoon.

British pop singer Robbie Williams mentions Keith Moon in his song "Good Doctor" from his 2006 album Rudebox. Good Doctor is a ballad about prescription drug abuse and the exact reference is in the first verse: "Robert Williams take one Adderall with water in the morning.. As if I’m goin’ to take one tablet, I’m Keith Moon!"

Clem Burke, original drummer for "Blondie", was a dedicated fan of Keith Moon. On the week of the Who drummer’s passing in Sept. 1978, Blondie played the huge Knebworth Festival in England. After their set, Burke kicked over his red sparkle Premier drum kit, crying out, “That’s for Keith Moon!”

Neil Peart, the drummer for the Canadian rock band, Rush, developed a drum set based off of Keith Moon's drum set for the R30 tour calling it his "dream set."

In one of his books, Rush drummer Neil Peart cites Moon as one of his primary early drumming inspirations. Peart tells the story of attending a Who concert and grabbing a piece of a cymbal that Moon had smashed, which he turned into a necklace that he wore at school.

It is speculated that the Muppet Show character 'Animal' was based on Keith Moon's likeness.

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INFLUENCES:

I don't want to edit the actual KM page myself, but I am 99.99% sure that SONNY ROLLINS (cited as one of Moon's influences) is a saxophonist, not a drummer.

You can remove my post here after it's been corrected, if you like.

I haven't done this before, so my apologies for any lack of proper protocol.

thank you,

JuneNJ1 JuneNJ1 (talk) 16:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

External Link Suggestion

As an editor at Crawdaddy!, and to comply with COI guidelines, I am not posting the link to this Keith Moon interview feature from 1969. However, I would like to recommend it on its merits, and hope that an editor will find the time to examine the feature and—if he or she sees fit—post it as an external link. I appreciate your time. Crawdaddy!
Mike harkin (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

So is it John or William??

Reading the article and the first thing that hits you is the infobox calls him Keith John Moon whilst the biography section straight after the menu box calls him Keith William Moon. Someone clarify? Mabuska (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Spelling, US/UK/American/Commonwealth

Hi, this article is about an American person but at least two words are spelling spelled with -ou variants (colour, favourite). Which way should things be spelled? I'll go back and see which spelling was first. 4.242.147.243 (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. I see that it is English, too. I reverted the anon who attempted to change one spelling to American. 4.242.147.243 (talk) 03:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Claimed to be 21??

"Moon, drunk at his 21st birthday party (Moon had claimed to be a year younger than he actually was; he was believed to be 20 at the time and was proclaiming this to be his 21st so that he could drink in every state; it actually was his 21st birthday)"

This sentence doesn't make a whole lot of sense (actually it's just part of a giant run-on sentence, but who's counting?). If he was "proclaiming this to be his 21st birthday", why was he "believed to be 20 at the time"? Did they think he was lying? If it actually was his 21st birthday, then he wouldn't really be proclaiming it, it would just be a fact. I think what it's trying to say is that the others in the band thought he was 19 turning 20 when he was actually 20 turning 21. They thought he was lying about his age when he said it was his 21st birthday, but he was actually finally telling the truth about an earlier lie. In any case, the sentence I pulled that quote from contains about a paragraph worth of information and needs to be rewritten. I don't know enough about that incident to do it without possibly including mistakes.Some kind of scientist (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Relationship with Kerrigan

I think it's redudant to mention what became of Moon's marriage in the early days, and to mention what became of it, and that she remarried after his death later in the article. Isn't it possible to mention that he married and had a child with her, and later in the article, discuss the marriage breaking up and his jealousy issues? I think it's more in line with other FA (or even B-ranked) articles.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 12:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Couple other suggestions

• The paragraph about Moon getting up onstage with Led Zeppelin one time, and "hitting it off with Bonham" seems superfluous and I imagine he'd played (and acted outlandishly) in uncounted instances with various bands, but I don't see it as productive particularly in this article. Can we agree to remove this?

• Please remember that the article should be written with English that reflects the language of the UK. This includes dates.

• It isn't WP policy to use slanted text during quotes unless they are particularly important, or in singular cases, quotes from the person who is being written about, in this case, Keith Moon.

• This biographical article has two mentions of Led Zeppelin, now that I see better. Both seem like trivia more than they do essential to Keith Moon's life, and I don't see references.

• The article doesn't flow in chronological order.

• I think the fact that The Who benefited from the publicity of Moon's destructive behaviour should be reflected somewhere in the text. I saw a video on the Who's Who Tube with Pete Townshend revealing that it wasn't until he and Moon began smashing their instruments that they stood out from the rest of the bands at the time and it was a needed commercial boost at the time.

• Can we agree to archive most of these incredibly old posts that have been addressed? It would make working on the article, and not answering the oldest posts much easier. I'd like feedback. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:Bold Just go to it, man. If people don't like it, it will be reverted, and then we can discuss. 74.73.110.46 (talk) 15:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Good article

In case nobody has seen or used this first, here's a Rolling Stone article from 2008 with Daltrey discussing Keith Moon: --Leahtwosaints (talk) 01:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Video references

I noticed some time ago that the release of Amazing Journey on DVD by The Who, the "Who Tube" which can be found on their official website, full of videos, and even Modern Drummer magazine has uncounted video appearances of Keith Moon, and everyone involved with the band. Using them as references as CITE: online isn't a good idea if the information is in print anywhere. I don't have the time for it right now, so maybe someone else would be willing to root our all the dead links and tag them as such. Maybe look for a different reference not on video as reliable reference.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

References for the article

Here's something from Total Drums Magazine: Please leave references for Keith Moon's article here. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Another good reference with a quote about how Moon's behaviour meant he was passed over posthumously the first time to get a "blue plaque" : Hope some editor is interested in working these into the text! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

This reference is from The Who Tube about Keith Moon Please use! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 03:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Ken Russell anecdote

I heard a recent BBC interview with Ken Russell, where he was talking about making the Tommy film. He recounted that, in his experience, Moon had always behaved very well...except one time when Ken was in Keith's hotel room. They were sat together beside the open window in an upstairs hotel suite, and a maintenance man on the path below shouted up, "Hello Mr Moon, I'm sorry we haven't repaired your TV yet, but I'll send somebody up right away." Moon replied, "Don't worry, I'll just send the TV down..." ...and he did. Bluewave (talk) 15:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Guitar?

To my knowledge, I've never seen or read anything about Keith Moon playing the guitar, so I don't think it should be in the infobox.Zapspace (talk) 16:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

DEATH

The article mentions the WHO ARE YOU? album cover with Keith sitting in a reversed chair

"Moon died a couple of weeks after the release of Who Are You. On the album cover, he is seated on a chair back-to-front to hide the weight gained over three years (as discussed in Tony Fletcher's book Dear Boy)."

I think it is significant to note that the chair has the words "NOT TO BE TAKEN AWAY" stenciled on it. Kind of eery given the untimeliness of his death in relation to the albums release.```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evrydayboy (talk • contribs) 20:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Agreed! I believe an editor who ran through this article a year or so ago felt that by just mentioning the names of books or periodicals after entries to the text, that referencing wouldn't be necessary. It obviously isn't enough, he simply wanted to avoid having to actually find the reference and put the details in the text. That sentence is a perfect example. Certainly, mention "Not to Be Taken Away", the reason Moon is seated in such a manner, and place the reference to the book. It's really silly writing "AS MENTIONED IN... ETC." We can dispense with that by stating the fact, and adding the reference. So many photos were taken of the bandmembers by then... I wonder if we can find out if the photo was chosen prior to Moon's death or afterwards? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

'Not to be taken away' is trivia that's only worth mentioning if it has been remarked on by notable sources. The fact he was hiding weight gain (if it is a fact) is far more relevant to Moon's actual life and actual actions, without needing speculative whimsy about eerie significance only decipherable in hindsight. I think we can safely say Moon and those on the photo shoot meant precisely nothing by what was written on the chair, so it's not Misplaced Pages's job to suggest there was some kind of supernatural foresight involved. --Escape Orbit 17:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Rolling Stone rankings

No reliable sources seem to reference this, only discussion boards. 24.187.214.210 (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Enough about the toilets!

442 words of this ~4300 word article are about Moon blowing up toilets. That's a whopping 10 whole percent. I'd say that's about 9 percent too many. --Goodbye Galaxy (talk) 15:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Leave the toilets. Moon would have loved it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.42.113 (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Post Death not correct?

I'm almost 100% sure that we can not say that when Moon was alive The Who performed with only four members. It should be qualified; I know John Entwistle was the one to make arrangements for a horn section which played during some performances of either Quadrophenia (and maybe Tommy) when on tour. Check some of the video footage on You Tube to be safe. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

They played along with pre-recorded tapes (the same ocurred during "Baba O'Riley" & "Won't Get Fooled Again"). They hired a horn section and a keyboard player only after Moon's dead, that's well documented on several books (such as Anyway Anyhow Anywhere: The Complete Chronicle of the Who 1958-1978). --viniciusmc 11:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistent

Tinnitus is not related to hearing loss.

"The blast has been speculated as starting Townshend's tinnitus, though Townsend himself attributes his hearing loss to years of headphone use in the recording studio." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.10.9 (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps you are correct; however, Townshend continues to cite it as part of his hearing problems brought on by too much exposure to overly loud amplifiers. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 03:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

London 2012 Olympics

I think this ought to be removed as I doubt its veracity. The Metro link says "The band's manager Bill Curbishley told the Sunday Times..." Unless someone can find that link directly from the Sunday Times (I can't find anything on their site to indicate they published this), this has the odor of a joke that's been taken seriously by the media. Highnumber (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Reworking

This article has the potential to be a good article - I have dug out my copies of "Before I Get Old" and "Dear Boy", which are (imho) some of the best sources for the subject, and I'll hopefully start going through them soon. Sorry about the near 6 year wait ;-)

Before I do that, I'm just having a look at the sections, and there's a bit of a mish-mash of information all over the place. There definitely needs to be a split between the musical, personal / social and self-destructive aspects of his life, and I think due weight probably needs to be about equal for each of those three. A draft layout would look something like :

• Early life (school, early jobs)
• Early musical career (mostly Beachcombers, influences such as surf music and Spector pop)
• The Who

• Early days (being discovered, with due weight against varying accounts - Townshend said he trashed a dep's kit to pieces, Fletcher says he didn't, arguments / relationship with Daltrey pre-65)
• Success (early tours, Flint Holiday Inn, Smothers Brothers, production of violin on Baba o' Riley)
• Later years (passing out in the Cow Palace, not appearing on "Music Must Change", The Kids are Alright footage)

I'd leave out "Destructive behaviour" as it largely occurred while on tour with The Who, and sits within the context of that.

• Equipment

• Drums (basic summary of kits)
• Vocals (emphasise his enthusiasm for singing over competence, did he ever sing lead on anything by The Who? maybe something about talking over Townshend during song announcements)

• Other musical projects (Beck's Bolero, sessions, solo album)

• Non musical projects

• Radio
• Film

• Personal life and relationships

• Birth date
• Family (renamed from "Wife and girlfriends")
• Friends (renamed from "Hollywood Vampires" - include practical jokes with Vivian Stanshall). Put relationship with Boland in here.

• Death

• Legacy (can mostly be merged with "After death")

• Discography (Who and solo)

• References etc

No point in the quotation - there are probably better ones out there.

--Ritchie333 16:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Keith Moon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 15:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• "ginger clothes". Ginger-coloured clothes? I'm sort of envisaging a ginger bread man with Moon's head LOL.

There's an interview with Pete Townshend included in The Kids Are Alright where he describes Moon as "this ginger vision". Let me go and find my DVD copy and I'll cite it. Ritchie333 16:06, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Awesome, ginger vision sounds good!

 Done Now cited. Forgot his hair was (allegedly) dyed ginger. Anyway, it's on the film alright, Pete claiming it as gospel in front of none other than Melvyn Bragg. Ritchie333 18:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• an exaggerated accent" -what accent was this?

 Done Should be "exaggerated character performance" as that's what the source says. Ritchie333 19:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• " Moon also produced the song "Baba O'Riley"'s violin solo (which he had suggested), performed by Dave Arbus." Not exactly sure what you mean, did he produce the song or just the solo, he didn't play violin obviously, I thought it odd he would just produce a violin solo being a drummer, can you reword a little to make clearer?

All it says on the back of Who's Next is "Violin on Baba O'Riley produced by Keith Moon". I have a Classic Albums DVD where Dave Arbus actually explains the background to how Moon got a credit here, so I'll dig that out as the same time as the other DVD reference mentioned above. Ritchie333 16:57, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't find my copy of this DVD. I've made do with citing the original album sleeve (including record company's serial number) and an interview at a semi-reliable source. We might have to revisit this if the article gets nominated to FA. Ritchie333 08:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I think we're going to have to mark this as  Done for the time being. I'm amazed that Marsh's book, which is pretty comprehensive account of The Who up to 1982, doesn't even mention this. Ritchie333 19:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• "This new set widened his playing;" Do you mean broadened his playing musically or literally made him stretch further at each side on the drums, I'm guessing the latter based on him abandoning the hi?

 DoneThis is fanpov - I've simplified it to the basic facts.

• "notably the amber set in the films," what is an amber set? Amber-coloured drum kit?

 DoneNot sourced, removed and simplified. The presence of the kits on the films will also need a cite

• Wiki link Waldorf Hotel and RKO Theatre.

 DoneThough Waldorf Hilton is borderline AfDable.

• "after the incident at Newbury". Sorry, have I missed something earlier on, what incident?

 Done This was the incident described in the second paragraph of "Destroying instruments and other stunts." I assume what happened here is that that paragraph originally stated the fracas took place in Newbury, but I couldn't find a source for it, so I took it out. I've reworded the sentence in question here. Ritchie333 17:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Work outside The Who:Music section. I see you linked Los Angeles but didn't link London or New York City earlier on. I'd link them all, but can you either link the cities or not? Los Angeles is linked anyway in early career so that link can be removed in this section.

 Done New York wikilinked, London was linked at the top of the article (it's where he was born!), unlinked duplicate of LA.

• do a "treatment" for a "mad movie"" what is meant by this?

 Done No idea. I've removed these two paragraphs for the minute as they're badly source (Malleus also considered them problematic when he had a look at the article). If I can find a good source, I'll redo this.

• "Keith Moon is often cited by critics as one of the greatest and most eccentric drummers in rock music." Could use a few various sources by it just to back it up. Obviously true but you know what the wiki is likely with strong statements. If anything though I'd say it is a little undercooked as a section. As a rock drummer he is hugely influential, I think you could probably find a lot more to demonstrate his legacy on rock drumming, but not necessary for GA. I think you should mention him being voted #2 drummer at the end of the first paragraph in the lead though.

 Done I've added a few more sources, and toned the wording down, so it just mentions some critics said good things about him in a more partisan manner. Ritchie333 19:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• For the references, ensure that all of the newspapers are consistent with linking and italics. Fill out sources 29, 31, 102, 104, 120, 121, 131 with publisher info, the date in one of them also needs fixing.

 Done All of these sources would probably come up for criticism at FAC, being fansites or otherwise stuff that's not being scrutinised with a highly credible editorial control. In order :

• 29 and 31 are from WhoTabs which is self published, but only by a few select people who seem to be dedicated fans and self-check their own facts, so I'm happy to accept it. No mention of this site on WP:RSN
• 102 is a YouTube video - gone.
• 104 is from a Google Books search that annoyingly doesn't have pages on it. Publisher added.
• 120 is the ever unreliable IMDB - gone.
• 121 is a fansite - gone. In fact, doing a news and book search for "keith moon movie" reveals nothing on this project, so I'm going to declare it "suspicious" and remove all mention of it.
• 131 is a dead link - removed as the information is cited to another source.

An absolute pleasure to read, one of the most enjoyable reads for quite some time on here actually. Easily meets GA requirements and in my opinion a potential FA. Reading it again I'd say the music coverage is adequate actually and the article has a nice flow to it. Possibly you could broaden your range of sources before taking to FA, look in google books and HighBeam for anything if you haven't already just to ensure it is fully comprehensive, I did a similar thing on another lunatic. Some of the web sources I think could be replaced with better sources and I think the referencing will be a major issue if presented at FA for inconsistency. Anyway, I'll let you address these minor points first, although I'm sure if Malleus also takes a look at it he'll find a lot more than I have. I made most of the more trivial edits myself. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I should be able to close all these issues down by the end of today. I agree that it would be better to see a broader array of sources for FAC, particularly the "Amazing Journey" DVD and some other books. Fletcher is a great source, and a joy to read, but it's 15 years old and new anecdotes may have come to light since then. I see Malleus has done a few copyedits, so he's obviously interested in helping it get into shape for being a FA candidate too. Ritchie333 08:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you say "done" for each point here when it has been addressed so I know where we are? Cheers.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Ritchie333 11:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I think all the issues are resolved now, so have a look through and check there's nothing else we've left out. Thanks for getting the review done in record quick time, too. Ritchie333 19:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

No serious problems I can see preventing this from passing GA. I definitely sniff an FA somewhere down the line but I think the biggest issue will be the sourcing. Two suggestions would be to try to scout for as many sources as possible by looking in google books and High Beam research. I think it could probably be even more comprehensive. I can help you out on this if you like. The second will be to replace some of the sources which aren't as good as the books and try to replace them with better sources, but overall you're most certainly on the right track. Excellent job.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks. I've given Kim McLagan a shot in the arm this evening, and I feel Dougal Butler is getting notable enough to have his own article too. I'll take a break for a week or two, and then start attacking the sources with aplomb for FAC. I think we need Marsh, Fletcher, Barnes, Neill&Kent, and the Amazing Journey DVD (ie: Daltrey/Townshend). I would still take Fletcher as the best source, and throw in stuff from other four to complement it. Then I'll think about putting all the facts together in a cohesive narrative, get Malleus to give it a good going over (oo-er), and then, FAC it. Ritchie333 22:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

  "oo-er" is right, but congratulations anyway. I'd have to say though that Keith Moon infuriated me, and I say that as a fan of The Who's music and a fellow Mod. Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Cheers for the hand you had in this. If you haven't got Fletcher's book, grab a copy and devote a couple of evenings to digest it, it really is a good read. Some of it, though, is quite sad, particularly to see the sort of state he got himself into by the mid 1970s, and the abuse he threw at Kim is frankly shocking and unacceptable. As I was going through sourcing it, there were several occasions where I thought "what an asshole." Ritchie333 22:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't need to read Fletcher's book to know that Moon was an asshole, but this is a discussion for elsewhere. Malleus Fatuorum 23:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

1. "Researchers At Keith Moon Institute Destroy In stitute". The Onion. 2006-06-08. Retrieved 2007-04-25.
2. "The LIDO in 2005". chippingnorton.net. Retrieved 2007-04-25.
3. Fletcher, Tony: "Moon: The Life and Death of a Rock Legend

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