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Sports betting forum

Hi John, you might be interested in the following that I wrote in the 6 May 2006 entry for Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review:

I would like to request that this article be restored.

On 15 January 2006, administrator FCYTravis, nominated the article to be deleted.

The result of the debate as announced by administrator Johnleemk on 20 January 2006 was to keep the article without any qualifications.

FCYTravis ignored the result and speedily deleted the article on 21 January 2006 ].

Critic 20:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPOVUW

I updated all the applicable links per Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion/Redirect Archives/April 2006#WP:NPOVUW .E2.86.92 Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view. The only ones I left were links that were specifically talking about the redirect itself. I think it's ready to be deleted now. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 17:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Defacing pages

I am not defacing pages. I am trying to shed light on so called facts given on this website which clearly are not true. Chinamanjoe has been spreading lies throughout this website and it is quite easy to prove that he is lying. He claims to be the great-nephew of Annie Besant, however if he were he would be over 90 years old. However on the Justin Besant page, (Chinamanjoe is Justin Besant) he makes not that he is a high school student with a few albums recently put out. There is no possible way that these two facts could both be true. Also, all of his albums are named things like Stuart or Nubice, which are both inside jokes from his high school. When searching up Justin Besant on google, you will find that the only records of him are on sites which are self-editable such as wikipedia and last.fm. There are also recent pictures of him on his last.fm website which will help support my claims. Chinamanjoe has also been deleting talk from the discussion pages in order to keep these truths about him from being put out. He is continually deleting all evidence that proves that he is not who he claims he is. I am just trying to correct the facts on this website and I am in no way vandalizing. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yofoxyman (talk • contribs) 18:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

vandalism

It's my messages that are being removed from the discussion pages. Not the other way around.

are you dumb

what the fuck are you talking about. don't do what again? expose the truth and then have someone delete my messages?

obviously i have clicked the link. but you're being dumb. that is one instance out of about 30 that have happened this morning and i was merely replacing what someone else had written there in the effort that someone like a moderator would notice. now clearly one has, so instead of focussing on the one tiny issue at hand here, why don't you come out from under your rock and take a look at the big picture

Opening cases

When you open cases please use the templates at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop and Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Template/Proposed decision. Fred Bauder 16:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Whatever it takes, please fix it. I'm tired of having to put the correct template in by hand. Fred Bauder 16:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks re Hero game

Thanks for alleviating my ignorance about redirects and so on. There's a lot to learn around here! (Also, would you mind deleting User:Chris Chittleborough/Hero (game) for me? Thanks.)

Cheers, CWC(talk) 17:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure, always a pleasure. Next time just stick {{db-author}} on something you wrote that you want deleted. Johnleemk | Talk 17:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for Arb.

I came across it by snooping in this twit's edits and mail. ]. Never been near adulterer Jim Nussle since. He seems to have refreshed it since. He and TonySidaway (or the some such) are a pair of Dubuque trolls.

If you read it carefully, I seem to have defaced articles on the Julien Dubuque Bridge. My response is that this is an accusation by someone suffering from auditory and visual hallucinations (do read the history). Do read Black Hawk Bridge, as I am interested in Mississippi River crossings. Have I vandalized the JD bridge article?

He's a whack job.

Also see User talk:Dual Freq --FourthAve 08:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

rfa

Thanks for the support on my RFA. Unfortunately, it did not achieve consensus. I look forward to your support in a couple months when I apply again. Holler at me if you need anything. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 01:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the John Ling page

Hi Johnleemk

I was wondering you could drop by on the John Ling page (yes, the author) and help sort out the discussion we are having. Because you are an administrator, I think you are the best person to decide whether the article truly is vanity, and if so, what to do about it.

Thanks!

~Jade~

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 1

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 1 - May 2006
Project news Since the Project began on the 4th March, 14 new articles that we know of have been created - to see a list and add any we didn't know about, visit the Project Log. We've had 2 front-page appearances, with Carl Lindstrom Company and Souvenir of Their Visit to America being listed in Did You Know? We've got underway classifying our articles and building a first class Project infrastructure.	Some project tips Stick the following template {{Template:TheBeatlesArticle}} on relevant articles. We have 500+ already but may have missed some! Use British/English grammar and spelling per Policy A few moments checking other editors contributions is always appreciated. Don't be shy on using the talk pages. It's where a lot of stuff gets decided. From the Editors Welcome to the inaugural issue of The Beatles WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this newsletter will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new things to do within the project that they may wish to participate in. Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome. We would like to emphasise that this is a collaborative Project and all editors are equal - so next month the newsletter editor might be you! kingboyk, LessHeard vanU and Lar
Signpost The Project has got off to a great start but we really need your help to keep it going. Here's a few things you can do: Turn one of these links blue (let's aim to have at least half of them blue by next time) - Maureen Cleave, Dovedale Infants, The Family Way (film only - soundtrack is blue), Robert Freeman, Ken Townshend. Apple Records artists: Stephen Friedland (Brute Force), Chris Hodge, Radha Krishna Temple, Lon and Derek Van Eaton. Full list & further details. A small number of articles from the 1st batch still need to be classified (assessed). Some choice cuts remain, such as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band! Batch 2 will start soon so let's get these done! Discussion is underway about what to do with History of the Beatles. If you're feeling really bold, you might even want to make a start on it! If you create a new article related to The Beatles, whether or not it's on the above list, please follow these instructions. It's nothing heavy, it just helps us Project-structure wonks keep track of things. Finally, if you haven't yet adopted an article for improvement, please see the list here. Complete Todo List: Open tasks for WikiProject The Beatles. Edit or discuss these tasks. As the project is currently just starting, our more experienced editors are working on the project infrastructure, classifying articles, and listing/assessing red links. Your assistance is welcome. If you would prefer to just edit - and why wouldn't you? - we have a choice selection of red links to turn blue and articles to clean! Now let's get busy. Collaboration: To Expand: Geoff Emerick, Olivia Trinidad Arias, A World Without Love, MPL Communications. See also: Adopt an article To Clean up: Apple Records discography (wikify) To Merge: To Create: Maureen Cleave, The Family Way, Robert Freeman, Ken Townshend. Full list & instructions. Lists to complete: Wanted Pics/Graphics: Brian Epstein (now has a picture but would benefit from a better one), Mal Evans, Flying (song), Astrid Kirchherr, Jimmy Nicol, Cynthia Powell, The Quarrymen, Alistair Taylor, Ivan Vaughan, Tittenhurst Park. We need a better open-licenced photo for the project, to replace the Abbey Road crossing. If you provide a photo, please remove the ReqPhoto tag from the article's talk page and remove the article from this list. Policy Discussions: Individual songs vs longer album articles, Beatle wives, Merge/split proposals Project: Add {{TheBeatlesArticle}} to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members, and coordinate tasks. Enter articles classed as stubs into this list (under To Expand) and also list articles needing cleaning and other work here. If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log.

Want to help on next month's newsletter? Don't want to receive these in future? Don't want it subst'd next time? - It's all here

Help the Newbie

Hi John,

I am a solid Newbie in the Misplaced Pages community - truly awesome and very addictive! Having just joined, I could really use your help and obvious experience...I found your profile from a link on Duncharris's page regarding an arbitration on an edit war that he has been in on a biographical page. I have stumbled on an article regarding Kent Hovind and purely out of interest I have begun editing it because I think many of the users have a personal agenda regarding attacking his character. I have tried as best to do research on all the Misplaced Pages policies in this regard and as far as I can tell, this is totally against everything Misplaced Pages stands for.

As stated above, my interests lie more in other areas but I feel quite strongly about providing a neutral article on Kent Hovind - it's also a great way to learn about whether the Misplaced Pages process works and will determine whether I stick around or not. Until now, everyone seems to be acting really fairly and engaging in really useful discussions on both sides of the debate - also being quite conservative and considerate in changes made. Just yesterday, however, Duncharris arrived and began engaging in what I think is referred to as an "edit war" and reverting edits without engaging in discussion. Whats more, the edit is so minor - it's simply the addition of an NPOV dispute banner which I think is entirely justified from what I can gather.

From his user page he seems very involved in Evolution topics which would explain the obvious biase he has to . He also appears to be currently under a warning which he is clearly not heeding. I also think the matter is more serious as I think some of the entries contravene Misplaced Pages: Libel in the article and certainly on the talk page.

I could really use your advice / intervention on how to approach this matter. ALSO, having provided discussion areas which have not been used, if I simply reverted an obvious poor revert would I be open to being banned - it would only be my second revert...if reverted after that it would be his third...how does this work?

Thanks --PappaG 12:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey John, thanks for the help...already engaging in discussion on my user page. Cheers. --PappaG 14:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion to rename "Cesar Tort and Ombudsman vs others"

I suggest that the case titled above be renamed "Biological psychiatry" since the current title is WAY too long (compared to past cases) and cases involving multiple editors on a single article are usually named after the article, not the editors involved. --207.156.196.242 12:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

MfD headsup (userfied article from AfD you closed)

You closed this AfD on a fraternity chapter with a userfy per my request - I then notified the author that after he'd had a chance to copy it we'd probably delete it. It's been a month so I've put the user page up at MfD, but if you want to speedy it I've no qualms. Thanks, -- stillnotelf is invisible 18:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

from thewolfstar

Hey, I came across your page through an arbiter link. Then I noticed your stress level is high. I know the feeling well and it truly sucks. peace and good luck with your stress, God only knows we all need it. Maggiethewolfstar 12:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for Comments on Current events

Hello Johnleemk/Archive8 –

I'm trying to get some discussion going on two proposals regarding the current events page, but so far have gotten little to no response. Since you have recently edited the current events page, I'm asking for your input on these two proposals:

• One proposal (this is the big one) involves putting the daily events from the current events pages into article-templates, a lá the monthly pages from 2003 to 2005, as well and having a consistent number of recent days on the current events page instead of a monthly archive. This would allow for the current events page and the respective month pages to be updated simultaneously without the monthly archival. For more, see the current events talk page.

• Another proposal involves merging the content of the regional current events pages (such as British and Irish current events and Canadian current events) into fewer continental articles. For more, see the current events WikiProject talk page.

Your input on one or both of these issues would be appreciated. joturner 17:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother

I reverted you on Big Brother re: OTRS. Please contact me *offline* if you have any questions.--BradPatrick 18:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

LaRouche 2

Hey, thanks for letting me know, John. It's good news. SlimVirgin 19:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

9/11

Can you explain this edit? -lethe 07:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lethe, it seems someone added personal information on a Misplaced Pages administrator to the 9/11 article (as well as multiple other articles), John tried to remove the relevant diffs from the database per Misplaced Pages policy and it seems that the article needed to be redirected to an alternate dummy page while that was being done. Hope that clears up the confusion. TheProject 07:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, see ANI. I just did the same thing for Hillary Rodham Clinton. Hope that clears up the confusion. Johnleemk | Talk 07:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. -lethe 07:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Lou Franklin's Arbitration Case

If "5 votes are a majority" how did the case close with only 3 votes for enforcement? Lou franklin 16:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It's showing up on the recently closed list twice. When you guys close a case I guess you really mean it! ++Lar: t/c 16:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Your signature on Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Cyde2

How can you sign something so blatantly wrong? Look at my block log and you can easily see, that I am not a serial violator of WP:3RR blocked as such by three separate admins on four occasions. I've been blocked twice for 3RR. Raphael1 16:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you call these three changes in five days a 3RR violation? Please note, that one of those changes actually adds a link to the cartoons on an article version without cartoons. Raphael1 16:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

You say "depending on how you conduct yourself, you may fall foul of the 3RR in spirit". I don't think it's my conduct, but rather my position in this content dispute. Please compare: and . Raphael1 16:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Banned from editing this page

Your notice on Talk:Jonathan_Sarfati is erroneous. I am not 'banned from editing this page', but rather by Arbcom decision, banned from editing the article. The talk pages were never banned, as your notice states. Thank you agapetos_angel 05:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

No dunderhead can misinterprete the nature of such a notice. Kindly take it in context: "The user specified is under probation and has edited this page inappropriately. The user is not prevented from discussing or proposing changes on this talk page." Obviously the "this page" in question is the article. Thank you for this well-reasoned and kindly phrased reply. My comments were intended to point out that the wording of the notice should perhaps be changed to the more appropriate wording of 'this article' rather than erroneous 'this page' as the notice now reads. agapetos_angel 06:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The wording is based on that of a template, so it would make more sense to propose amending the template instead. Consider it proposed. agapetos_angel 06:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The template is used in other locations I think and is normally used to mean complete banning from an article as far as I can tell. Why don't we just substitute the templates in this case and then alter the wording of the substituted templates? JoshuaZ 13:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Ron Horsley

I just reverted a worrying personal attack on the talk page of this page (I don't know, or care if it's true). Could you please have a look at it? AKAF 06:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The personal attack is back. I placed a request on the talk page of Zepplin85.AKAF 06:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I just recived a message, from Leyasu on my user page... though he claims that he is currently banned?

I'm not assuming bad faith or anything, perhaps theres a mix up, but it seems rather odd that a banned user is able to edit articles? Maybe it needs a look... - Deathrocker 19:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I've just blocked that IP for the rest of Leyasu's current block. I'm not sure if that's ok, but it doesn't look like anyone but Leyasu is using that IP. Leyasu was blatantly evading his block with that IP, so I thought it would be right to block it. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 18:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Rani Mukerji

Hello, John, I noticed you protecting the Rani Mukerji article because of the debate some time ago. It has been unprotected since, but the situation has not really changed, since User:Shez 15, a fan of the actress, keeps adding information roundly rejected by every other editor, is reverting changes back to his own version of the article and is currently trying to get User:Zora banned. This has been happening for some time and if you check out Shez's contributions page, you will see that he has been promoting Rani Mukerji as superior to everyone else, by putting her as #1 on every list and every credit of a movie, even if she just played a supporting part. Several editors, myself included, have tried to talk with Shez, but he won't listen: his discussion page and Mukerji's discussion page is full tries to get Shez talking. I talked to User:Nichalp, an admin, about this, so he is informed as well, but I think he's occupied currently. I asked him to talk to Shez, but it (apparantly) didn't work, if you check out just what Shez did today (again). Maybe you could warn him or even ban him or find another solution, because, I tried to talk to him and now, I'm really desparate, since all this housekeeping gets anoying and is really exhausting. I hope I'm not breaching protocol by asking another admin for help, but Rani's article looked just fine until tonight and then, he reverted it *again*. I really don't know how I can stop all this, because Shez isn't listening. I hope you can help. Best regards, --Plumcouch 00:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

$pringfield

Hi, John. I posted the 'redirect for deletion'. Did you spot the comma tacked onto the end of the redirect's title? Perhaps I should have specifically stated its presence. Regards. Axl 07:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Rani Mukerji

Thanks for the heads-up, I didn't even know that pages like this existed, since it's the first time something like this is happening to one of the articles I work on. If this is going to continue, I will most certainly consult WP:ANI. Thanks for the reply and for the help. Best regards, --Plumcouch 18:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to comment

As per your comment , I'd like to invite you to comment on whether user:William M. Connolley has abused his power as an administrator to use the rollback button to remove my messages on his user talk page. Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 21:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

ISA's 'Handcuff' picture

Hi John, I painted the handcuff http://en.wikipedia.org/Internal_Security_Act_(Malaysia) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by L joo (talk • contribs) .

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Chief Whip (Malaysia), which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 13:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Duplicated effort on CSD:I6

Thanks for helping to set up categories, templates, and the like for CSD:I6.

Unfortunately, Rory096 and Carnildo had the same idea and created a similar suite of templates including {{no rationale}}, {{subst:nrd}}, Category:Images with no fair use rationale, Category:Images with no fair use rationale as of 13 May 2006, and I created {{subst:missing rationale}} to go with them.

It was more or less a coinflip between which set to keep, but noting that we currently have {{no source}}, {{subst:nsd}}, Category:Images with no copyright tag, and the like, I boldly went for the former set of templates and categories and redirected your relevant templates to the others. I've marked Category:Fairuse rationale needed images and for deletion at WP:CFD.

Incidentally, you missed one tiny thing when setting up the categories. Following the link to create today's category from Category:Fairuse rationale needed images would preload the boilerplate text about orphaned fair use images instead of that about images lacking a rationale.

I hope you're not too pissed at me for going down this road, but feel free to direct flames to my talk page :) Stifle (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

GA spam on featured template

hi, i see that the "good article" spam has been put back in Template:featured despite objections from several users. this seems to be the way the GA project works: boldly putting something into a page that doesnt want it, then claiming consensus is required to *remove* it again (consensus is never required to put it there in the first place).

this is exactly the same behaviour as witnessed on the attempt to create an article space "good article" star, which i & raul654 finally managed to have deleted (a huge effort since they had already spammed a 1000 articles with it), and on the Community Portal where this non-policy wikiproject has pride of place - its apparently far more important than any of the other dozens of collaborations!

they even had the cheek to remove the "non-policy process" template from the top of their project pages claiming they now had "enough support to be policy" - this is despite clear consensus on the talk page that its NOT policy. an attempt to put it back was quickly removed.

i would appreciate any comments on the template's talk page. i'm really fed up with fighting these GA spam battles everywhere, its quite tiring. why do they have to constantly spread their GA spam everywhere? hope you can help! Zzzzz 09:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Featured Articles

Thanks for your interest in my WikiProject Featured Articles proposal. Feel free to improve the proposal however you want in order to attract more participants. —Cuiviénen, Monday, 15 May 2006 @ 19:54 UTC

Directed Studies

Per Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion/Redirect Archives/May 2006#Directed Studies .E2.86.92 Directed_Studies at Yale_University, you closed Directed Studies as deleted. However, it looks like you forgot to delete it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 01:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bible Way World Wide

Please read the newly edited Bible Way article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thoscsii (talk • contribs) .

DRV

You're surely correct w/r/to context; my comment, I suppose, even as it replied to yours, was directed more generally, viz., to those who seemed to think any mention of organization merited deletion. I'm inclined to think Travb didn't have in mind the sort of organization of which I wrote, and I'm sure that any reasonable inference would be that he meant something else; I also, though, appreciate that, though his prose has occasionally devolved into personal attacks, he's generally tried to debate civilly and to propone an understanding of fair use that, though, in his case, self-serving and, in general, irrelevant to the project, is reasonable, if currently inconsistent with policy. I was writing, then, to him as much as to anyone, hoping that he might understand how best to advocate for his position whilst still helping the encyclopedia. You are correct, though, that you certainly qualified your assessment of organization with a reference to the context, and I didn't mean to suggest that you'd not made such qualification. Thanks, finally, for your reasoned reply... :) Joe 03:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Coca Cola

No probs, dude. I thought you had a very valid reason. Take your time to bring the glory back to the article.
Also, I never knew that non-commerical free use images were not allowed on wikipedia. Thanks for letting me know. I'll be careful from now on. Cheerios! -- thunderboltz 04:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

The irony of Singaporean politics

I was reading the blog of someone who had been referred to in the Straits Times, who is also a schoolmate of User:Mailer diablo I believe (he is a co-illustrator of the Student's Sketchpad if you don't know already))...anyway I thought this article about the PAP as an opposition party in Malaysian politics was particularly insightful. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 14:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Half-Life 2 FAC

Hello,

I have addressed and taken action upon your comments at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Half-Life 2. If you would be so kind as to review what I did, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 13:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Another RfD Closure

I'm bugging you about another RfD closure. Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion#Armenian terrorism and Armenian Terrorism was closed by you earlier. This was actually a "malformed" nomination in that the title was not redirect -> target, but two redirects. You only deleted the first one, but didn't say anything about keeping the second in your closure summary so I'm guessing you didn't realize there were two. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 21:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

cool down man, life's an ocean

Why so tense? just wanted to know is there one of those little dealys that says "this user is a Beatles fan/contributer"? You know, like the one you have that says you use Linux and there's a picture of a penguin.--Crestville 15:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Ketuanan Melayu

Personally I think this is very close to FA (even though incomplete - how soon will our standards rise?) and can now shift mainly to the reorganisation phase...my concern is in the amount of subsections it has. When you're ready, I'll nominate it for FA, unless you think you're not done. Do you have any massive additions in mind, or are you going to add small pieces from here on onwards? Because if you are, I think we can proceed with an FAC, which might not make the article go ahead, but it would give it the attention it needs. Elle _{vécut heureuse} (Be eudaimonic!) 00:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article candidates

Responding to:

I think the problem stems from your total misunderstanding of what the proposal is. The idea was never to fork and create two different wikis.

I think the problem is you posting inflammatory comments without bothering to read the discussion first. Just a few quotes from the prior discussion to enlighten you:

• a stable version with approved editors is needed... (emph mine)
• Some sort of stable version has to be the way to go, with an "official" foreground stable version and a background "unstable" wiki version...
• if a stable site was set up, ... (emph mine)
• the fact that it's done via a wiki is secondary. If a stable version would help to produce a better encyclopaedia, it would be totally in accord with the ideals of Misplaced Pages.
• a stable version would not be used for creating articles at all, but only for preserving the 'finished' articles.

Misplaced Pages:Static version clearly describes a 'stable' version of Misplaced Pages which cannot be edited in the same way as the main site can and which could be established under a separate domain name: stable.wikipedia.org or similar. I repeatedly used terms like two separate projects and Forking WP to specify exactly what it was I was objecting to. So, if you actually want to assist constructive discussion, please read what you're responding to before posting patronising insults. — Johan the Ghost _seance 14:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Fairuse rationale needed images as of 12 May 2006