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Piotrus

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Nomination

Piotrus (talk · contribs) – Piotrus joined Misplaced Pages in April 2004. He is an important content contributor who has made more than 148,000 edits and helped to write more than 20 featured articles, more than 50 good articles, and more than 500 DYK articles. Piotrus became an administrator in January 2005.

My first experiences with Piotrus, I'm sorry to say, were unpleasant. In early 2008, he and I found ourselves on opposite sides of a series of edit conflicts on several articles concerning Polish-Jewish history. I think we both assumed the worst about one other, and our behavior reflected those feelings. Nevertheless, Piotrus and I managed to get past our initial mutual distrust and develop a Wiki-friendship.

During 2009, Piotrus participated in the "Eastern European mailing list", for which he was site-banned for three months and topic-banned for an additional period. In the course of that ArbCom case, Piotrus was accused of abusing the tools in one instance. (He semi-protected an article based on a mailing list request. Two weeks later, User:Will Beback fully protected the article, thereby confirming the existence of a problem. See the protection log for all the details, including the subsequent extensions of page protection.) Piotrus voluntarily gave up the bit.

During his ban, Piotrus—using other editors as proxies with the permission of ArbCom—rewrote Lech Wałęsa and brought it to GA status.

Throughout his Wiki-career, Piotrus has been a tireless contributor to WikiProject Poland. He monitors newly created articles related to Poland and, where appropriate, cleans them up or adds applicable clean-up tags (including nominating them for deletion when necessary), nominates them for DYK, and invites their creators to join the WikiProject.

Piotrus is also an Ambassador and was a member of the (now-defunct) Ambassador Steering Committee. Students in his classes have written more than ten good articles.

In my opinion, Piotrus has demonstrated that he once again deserves the community's trust with the mop and broom. His behavior for the past three years has been uncontroversial, and that period represents as long a period of quality editing as many new administrators have. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 01:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your trust. I accept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: Currently, I have my sight on the 170,000 file backlog at Category:Move to Commons Priority Candidates. I have taken part in a related project on Polish Misplaced Pages that resulted in all freely licensed images there migrated to Commons a while back, and I want to help with this on en wiki, too (and yes, I know not everything can be copied). While non-admins can tag and copy pictures (which I do on occasion), they cannot clean up after themselves (by deleting the local remaining original), and personally I just don't like to leave the job unfinished, forcing another admin to clean up after me. In case you are wondering, I consider myself relatively familiar with copyright issues ([I wrote a guide to Polish copyright on Commons).

Similarly, every few days I will run into issues such as pages in need of admin help after a botched up move, pages in need of history merge, and such, which currently I can just report, even through I know how to fix them. I may also help with some other backlogs (speedy deletion and such); just like with article writings, I like to wander from area to area and fix some things. I probably will not be overly active in AN, or such. I learned that focusing on improving this project, rather than talking about how to do it, is more interesting and less stressful :)

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: I am in the Top 100 Most Active Wikipedians; I write a lot of content (dozens of FAs, GAs, hundreds of DYKs); I supervise several WikiProjects (Poland, Sociology), I am one of the Misplaced Pages:Ambassadors, I was on the Ambassador Steering Committee, I contribute to Signpost's monthly Wikimedia Research Newsletter, I research and public academic papers about Misplaced Pages, and I teach with Misplaced Pages. There's more, but let's just say that I am a Wikipedioholic with many hats, ok?

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Well, the elephant in the room is that back in late 2009 I was stressed enough to make some rather significant errors in my judgement, such as violating Misplaced Pages:Canvassing, which led to an arbitration case where I resigned my adminship and received a 3 months ban, followed by several months of other restrictions. Yet as soon as the case started, I recognized my errors and ceased any controversial activities. This was recognized by the ArbCom, as majority of the remedies concerning my person were modified to be less restrictive or lifted early, with the last restrictions lifted two years ago (February 2011). Since the case ended, now more then three years ago, I am proud to say, I was not involved in any wikidramu: you will not find my name as a party in any ArbCom case since, nor was there any need to discuss my behavior on other foras (AE, ANI, etc.). I would like to think that my actions since then speak for themselves, and are those of a constructive editor who has learned how to avoid mistakes of the past. I have learned how stressful wiki can be, and how to handle stress and conflict; I would like to think that my experience in this aspect is a valuable asset to the project: I have seen both sides of the proverbial fence already and I can empathize and understand other editors a lot better thanks to that. A lot of what I've learned I've put into a series of mini-wikiessays, which you are welcome to read; they include my thoughts on issues such as conflict resolutions, admin elections, when to block or ban editors, and many other issues that I believe are essential for each admin (and most editors) to consider.

Two final notes:

a) while I have never in the past used the admin tools on anybody I considered involved with myself, I reaffirm that I have no intentions to use them as such. As my old amin log can reveal, I only blocked a few obvious vandals in my old days, and I certainly don't expect my future admin block log to be any different. I also intend to be much more careful with all other instances of admin tools use (such as protection), and if I see any possible conflict of interests due to involvement with other editors, I will decline to use them.

b) just as I was in the past, I will be open to recall.

Additional questions from Razionale

4. A little background: From when until when did the Eastern European mailing list run? From when until when were you a member of it? (please be exact on dates and short on words)

5. You mentioned you violated canvassing. In what other ways did you act inappropriately during that time (by your own judgement) precisely? Also describe here your role as an admin please, which has been described as appropriate (by the nominator) and as abusive (for example by Nanobear), focusing on evidence rather than persons.

6. Which users did you supervise as a Wiki-ambassador? Is it the same as the class projects? Who remained editing after your class projects ended that we could have a look at?

7. Have you continued to have contact with users of the Eastern European mailing group (email, chat or any other means of communication aside from WP) after the arbitration ended? If "yes", with who? Thank you for your answers.

Additional question from Snowolf

8. For the users who are not familiar with the EEML case, could you comment on FloNight's comments or point us to where you have done so in the past? Snowolf 09:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

General comments

• Requests for adminship/Piotrus
• Requests for adminship/Piotrus 2
• Requests for adminship/Piotrus 3

• Links for Piotrus: Piotrus (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Edit summary usage for Piotrus can be found here.

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Discussion

Support

1. Strong support, but let me get the following question out of the way first. "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the EEML Partey?" Yes, four years ago. "Why?" Because like Piotrus, I take Misplaced Pages very seriously. And... by the way, four years is a lifetime in Misplaced Pages. Many things have improved, including communication and 'people skills' of many long-term users. Many of our fears never materialized. Now, more than ever, we need to maximize our effectiveness and (if possible) upgrade the status of our most valued editors such as Piotrus to increase student engagement. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 20:10, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
2. Enthusiastic support. First I should mention that I became aware of this draft RfA because, as I mention below to Giano, I saw his insulting (I felt) commentary on Piotrus' talk page, which is on my watchlist.

   Regarding EEML, feeling beset by editors pushing an anti-Eastern European agenda was not a good excuse for starting to discuss Eastern European topics, or WP, off-WP. All involved have long since apologized. All have moved on except, it appears, for a predictable minority of detractors involved in a continuum of content contentiousness before, during, and after the case, and still unwilling to move on from their version of the past of years ago.

   If some wish to see this as rehabilitation, so be it. If some wish to lobby that Piotrus is an intractable evil incapable of rehabilitation, then after such a long time having passed, that is solely a reflection on the individual making the accusation.

   I have complete and total confidence that Piotrus will exceed the community's expectations in every way; I have this confidence because Piotrus knows the magnifying glasses and the nay-sayers will be out in force, yet has made this personal—and courageous, likely knowing some would not wish to let go of their personal investment in past conflict—commitment to Misplaced Pages to take this important and symbolic step.

   Piotrus' WP activities including its use in higher education are an exemplary model of the best WP has to offer. Who should the WP community empower to represent the best of WP? Those who have leveraged and demonstrated our pedagogic value in the real world, or those who show up only to toss barbs? VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:34, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   P.S. I hope that a fresh crop of participants will look at the work Piotrus has been doing on/with WP and ignore the unfortunate rehash of personal accounts of history by prior content combatants. If someone is looking for "truth", examine who has advocated for what WP content as encyclopedic. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 22:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

3. You have my full trust and support. Salvio 09:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
4. If you've been editing wikipedia for 9 yearsm then why not? NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 09:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
5. support him--Sandstunk (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
6. Weak support, per NintendoFan.--Razionale (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Vehement oppose Piotrus has proven that in order to achieve his goals, he will breach trust and break the most fundamental, honest and basic of Misplaced Pages's rules. Previously he has controlled a ring of socks and politically motivated editors to sway the balance of the project. Such behaviour taints the encyclopaedia and by association all our work. This deceit and corruption must never be allowed to happen again. I have seen no evidence of reform, and neither in Piotrus' case am I prepared to accept that a leopard has changed his spots. I rarely comment on an RFA, but I strongly feel this candidature is wrong.  Giano  13:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
   • You forgot to mention that I control The One Ring, too, and I am known to use it to mind control people; alas, you have valiantly resisted it and all my other attempts to warp your mind and will for years, always staying strong to your true beliefs. I also see that you are still as fond of WP:FORGIVE as ever; the length you go to promote our policies such as it or the old-fashined AGF always makes me look up at you in unmatched awe. Some people never change, you are completely right on the mark on that. I applaud you for finding this draft nomination even before it went public; perhaps you'd like to co-anti-nominate it? It is heartening to see there are still people who care about me that much. I mean, three years since I was involved in any of the ArbCom/ANI/etc. fun and games, yet there are still kind souls who apparently care so much about me to ensure your presence here (and hey, it's your only edit of the day - and you still chose to dedicate it to me; did I say already how touched I am?). Btw, I wonder, is the attack page with my old address, calling me a Jew and asking for somebody to assassinate me still up at ED? Haven't checked it for years, but somehow I am reminded of it... can't think of the reason why. Moving on, with deep regret, and much sadness, I have to point out that there may be a few minor errors in your well-reasoned and neutral argument above; particularly the comment about "he has controlled a ring of socks", it's so... sweet and thoughtful, alas, it is also, as much as it pains me to say, and forgive me for using the technical term here, an "outright lie". I consider your veno... er, I meant, vehement oppose a very nice contribution to this nomination, and I thank you for it. Yes, folks, years ago I made some enemies among Giano friends and apparently feature on his "friends-to-support-and-encourage-at-any-opportunity list". Cheers, Giano. I am sorry that I never ever returned the favor and commented on your person on Misplaced Pages (); sadly, despite all of your efforts here, I don't think I can find time nor will to address this in the future outside of this forum, neither. I trust a few more ghosts of the years past will comment here, through sadly most of those well meaning, innocent souls, pillars of our community, did manage to get themselves blocked...? I can't wait to see who else will crawl out of the woodwork to join this party in the cooperative wiki-spirit of mending the fences and burying the hatchets :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   This is not a draft - it is not in user space. Please don't muddy the waters with your religion and race, that means nothing here - this is purely about your integrity which is lacking. Neither is this a matter of you upsetting a few of my friends, unless 2/3rds of the encyclopaedia plus the Arbitration Committee are my close friends. Fundamentally, you abused the project for your own ends (Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list). That is unacceptable. If you require an unseemly posting of diffs and questions, then I'm happy to oblige you, but I strongly advise you against it.  Giano  17:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   Uh, I linked EEML in my own comments, you are a bit too late to shock people with that. Have any diffs from this decade? Go ahead if you do, otherwise - I have better things than reminiscing about ancient wiki history. As much as some may enjoy it, I have Good Articles to write, DYKs to feature, about a month worth of backlog of articles to asses when New Article Bot gets kicking, and such. You know, encyclopedia building stuff. Personally I think it's more fun than discussing ancient wiki history and grinding axes, through to each their own - just don't expect I'll partake in this pastime of yours more than I have had in the past; not my piece of cake, through I appreciate your livening up the place. It's been a while since I've been to a circus. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   • Oh dear! This is rather like pulling the wings off a rather, large and unattractive moth. I will deal with you properly tomorrow when I have more time, but in the meantime, you might like to consider one of the lies from your statement above:“as soon as the case started, I recognized my errors and ceased any controversial activities”. Did you? Is that quite true? No, it's another lie, isn't it?. The case opened in September, the mailing list was still operating in November and you were still participating. It's tricky to prove because the evidence involved Radek (now newly reborn as Volunteer Marek (I expect he will support you above), and he accidentally copy-pasted his mailbox contents onto WP, which was quite rightly oversighted. However, let's allow the evidence section speak for itself: . Are you sure you want to continue with this RFA? Then of course, we have your renowned 'back channeling' which served you so ill in that case Piotrus, you are not a fit person to be an Admin, do we really need to continue this?  Giano  19:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

   Really, is the best you can do is relitigate the past including your recent grossly uncivil and baseless accusations whose sole purpose can only be to foment continued antagonism? You don't seem concerned in the least that your deeming someone worthy of your personal attacks has become rather a badge of honor among Wikipedians seeking to build reputable content in a collegial atmosphere. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 13:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   All secret groups have their traitors and their double agents; it's the nature of the beast. You should remember that Vecrumba; you've already slipped on a banana skin once today so I would remain silent if I were you.  Giano  20:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Sadly, double agents and banana skins are all in your self-consumed conspiracy-theorist head. Yet again your confidence in what you know is in error. What really puzzles me is why the community continues to put up with your poisonous innuendo as amply ladled out here. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   P.S. Speaking of banana peels, I have your insulting Piotrus on his talk page to thank for finding his RfA. Thanks indeed! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 22:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   *here is my 'insulting' of Piotrus to which Vecrumba (Piotrus' aide-de-campe) refers .  Giano  07:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

2. Strong oppose This April's fool joke comes three weeks late. Anyone with superficial knowledge of the current topic area knows that Piotrus has remained as close to other EEML members as before (just two examples with the most recent month ). I also see he hasn't lost his infamous language, including his "wheedling tone". Unfortunately, the EEML arbitration was poorly researched, weakly ruled and only a small part of its evidence page and Wikileaks summary of quotes on Piotrus were used. In reality, as Thatcher wrote, Piotrus should have got permanently banned there. Even a second leak later Arbcom stopped short of a permanent ban.. Piotrus was never interested in admin work and confided on the EEML his own uselessness as an admin but argued that it helped in disputes. He, furthermore, engaged in widespread misuse of his rights and status. Nanobear (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Wikileaks? It's founder is hiding in an embassy.--Razionale (talk) 11:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   A thorough review of EEML (characterized as a majority of thousands having to do with a particular editor) demonstrates very little had anything to do with WP. This was mentioned at the case itself but it was not deemed necessary to correct the initial misinformation, allowing certain myths to live on. I am sorry to see you re-litigate the past. In which case I would have to ask, weren't you booted off of WP forever for personal attacks in the real world? You support forgiveness and moving on when it applies to yourself, but not others. I am genuinely sorry to see that. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Haven't heard of you since 2009, Nanobear. I am glad to see that this still-not-public RfA draft has given you a reason to edit Misplaced Pages for the first time in first days. What a coincidence that you stumbled upon it to reminiscent about the events from four years ago, through I see you also don't find WP:FORGIVE that helpful. Well, whatever the outcome of the events here, I still do. I see that other then 2009 diffs, you seem fit to complain that I occasionally interact, in a civil manner, with certain other editors. It's a free world - but if you find that disturbing, you can always try to get me and others under an interaction ban. I'd love to see how this would fly based on... what evidence of any wrongdoing? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Strong oppose per reasonings given by Nanobear and Giano, with regret. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   I would respectfully suggest to not judge the request here based on the inimical and completely predictable peanut gallery so far (IMO) seeing this as an invitation to re-litigate the past via their personal narratives. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

   Would you mind telling me what "reasonings" do you see above? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I made a bit of a mistake in my vote, so I am going to change to neutral below. Sorry if I have caused any confusion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

3. Oppose I know that he's an important editor, but some of this negative stuff (i.e. unplaeasant experiences, bans, edit conflicts) shouldn't even be mentioned in the nomination statement. It gives me the indication that his behaviour has been disruptive in the past, and it makes me worry that he would use the tools improperly. It's interesting about what he wants to do for his primary objective, as these requested moves can be indisputable, but still I think he's more prolific in the encyclopaedia department than in the admin department. Minima© (talk) 07:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   • Fact 1: Piotrus states above "While I have never in the past used the admin tools on anybody I considered involved with myself." This is blatantly false he unblocked User:Molobo several times.  Giano  07:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
   • Fact 2: Piotrus asks for recent diffs proving his behaviour; he states above: “Since the case ended, now more then three years ago, I am proud to say, I was not involved in any wikidramu." However, only last week last posted his objections to a speedy deletion of one of his his students' articles in three places – asking for a review of an admin’s actions, calling them improper and an “abuse of admin tools” – by consensus, the speedy deletion was approved and the page userfied. What would he have done if he had the tools. As an Admin, Piotrus would be divisive and arrogant.  Giano  07:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   I will leave this RFA for now and see how it goes. I have plenty more diffs up my sleeve displaying Piotrus' behaviour, but we will try to avoid a prolonged, unreadable thunder storm and leave them for now.  Giano  07:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

4. Oppose. While I recognize he's been doing some good stuff and the EEML debacle was some time ago, encounters like this still make me think he's easily tempted to sacrifice logic and reason in favour of some kneejerk reaction in defense of editors he perceives as political allies. The fact that the first two enthusiastic support votes here are from exactly two of these allies (part of the most faithful core group ever since the EEML days) doesn't help to overcome these concerns. On an entirely different matter, I was also not too impressed with his actions in a recent deletion case (AN, DRV), where his behaviour came across to me as pushy and wikilawyerish. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Sorry to say it but your own "kneejerk reaction" at ANI reverted by another sysop allows me to raise some reasonable doubts about your handling of that particular case also. Poeticbent talk 09:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Well, let me then modify my "oppose" vote into a strongest oppose possible, if for no other reason than who his supporters are. If Piotrus needs members of his old POV coterie, such as Poeticbent here, haranguing oppose voters, and if they need to stoop as low as what we're seeing here (can't say whether out of malice or incompetence), then something must be seriously wrong with the candidate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

5. Oppose. While three years may be enough to forgive the EEML incident, he has continued to show a temperament unsuitable for an admin. I am also not sufficiently convinced that he will not use admin tools while involved. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
6. Oppose per his comments at this dubious AN report and this subsequent DRV, plus general concerns about temperament and judgement. I do not think this candidate is suited to the role. Basalisk ⁄_berate 10:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
7. Oppose (moving from neutral). The fact that he rarely responds on his own talk page (ca. 700 posts in all this time) is probably not an issue, but it does not make it easy to follow and evaluate his interaction with others. Piotrus is an excellent content contributor but appears to like too much getting involved in politik so there must be some reason why he attracts polemic. We have Wikiholics enough, we have Wikilawyers enough, and Piotrus has hats enough and enough to do without needing another one. A mature and highly qualified individual who is occasionally a tad too rash and garrulous, hence I am not wholly convinced of his ability to adopt and maintain the essential neutrality and coolness that is required of sysops. I never use qualifiers such as strong or weak in my RfA comments, but FWIW, this is borderline but sufficient for me to move from neutral. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
8. Weak oppose. (I should mention that Giano is an old friend of mine. We don't agree about everything, and he didn't canvas me about this RFA. I don't know any of the other opposers.) I started to type up a Neutral comment, because, while I thought there were some concerns about battleground with Piotrus, I wasn't opposed to adminship. We need more strong content contributors in the admin ranks. I also think he was mainly a good and useful admin in the past, and thought he would be useful now, and surely mindful of all the eyes that would be on his admin actions. I wish as many people watched all admin actions as would be watching Piotrus'! I still think this would be a protection against misuse, so this is not a strong oppose. But the way he threw himself gleefully into battling with the opposers on this page was too much for me. Piotrus, you're on display here, this is I presume your "best behaviour" that you're showing? Replying sarcastically to Giano isn't objectionable as such in my book—I'm not sensitive to that the way many people here are—but your tone and manner are. It's simply bad judgment to respond so aggressively (and at such length!), no matter how he framed his oppose. As far as that goes, the oppose was strong but matter-of-fact and not rude. Anyway, Giano isn't requesting adminship here, you are. Your broad hint that he had something to do with a racist attack and call for assassination is just utterly unseemly: Btw, I wonder, is the attack page with my old address, calling me a Jew and asking for somebody to assassinate me still up at ED? Haven't checked it for years, but somehow I am reminded of it... can't think of the reason why. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. You could certainly help with many admin tasks, you're highly competent; but you've shot yourself in the foot with your demanour on this very page, as far as I'm concerned, sorry. Bishonen | talk 11:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC).
9. Oppose I agree with King of Hearts' comments. I'm also about the neutrality of Piotrus' editing, and feel that at times he still edits to advance a Polish nationalist viewpoint at the expense of article quality. As examples of my concerns, please see my comments at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Polish Underground State (particularly in relation to the neutrality of the article) and Talk:Polish mine detector#Requested move (without wanting to denigrate this Polish innovation from World War II, it's pretty obvious that the Poles aren't the only people to have designed mine-detecting technology, as the Demining#Detection methods link Piotrus wants to move the 'mine detector' redirect away from makes perfectly clear). I also note Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/Polish–Soviet War/archive1 from late 2011 in which Piotrus initially argued in favour of keeping this FA despite it suffering from some major, and fairly obvious, problems (though I note that he agreed with me when I pointed these out towards the end of the FAR in February 2012). All up, while I wish him well in his editing work, I'm afraid don't believe that Piotrus is a suitable person to hold the admin tools. Nick-D (talk) 11:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   As a comment on this nomination, from re-reading WP:EEML it's pretty obvious that the nomination statement here whitewashes Piotrus' role - he wasn't merely "accused of abusing the tools in one instance" - this was found to have occurred, as well as a heap of other behaviour totally unbecoming of an admin, and if he hadn't resigned the tools it's a certainty that they would have been removed. I don't think that I've seen such blatant dishonesty in a RfA nomination statement before, and it's really disappointing that this has been posted. The fact that Piotrus endorsed this statement doesn't reflect well on him at all. Nick-D (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

10. Oppose. While I'm all for giving people second chances and can very well imagine Piotrus getting back the bit in some undetermined future, I cannot support at this time. The EEML fiasco alone was too big to forget easily; even four years later I keep seeing references to it every other week, if not more often. It is obviously fresh in many people's minds, and Piotrus has a strong association with it. I wasn't following Piotrus' activities closely in the past few years, but from what little I can see, he is on the right track. I wish him the best of luck. Time heals all, but in some cases a higher dosage is required.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 25, 2013; 11:55 (UTC)
11. Oppose Having taken the time to look at bit more closely at the EEML matter and the user's role in it, it seems clear to me that Piotrus is not a good match for the sysop role. His interactions on this page likewise don't help his cause. Snowolf 12:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral - Though I respect Piotr's contributions from the very beginning (I worked on Tadeusz Kosciuszko with him and am currently working on Frederic Chopin with him), I am a little concerned that he would get involved in some issues again if he becomes an administrator like asking others to be involved in some major content dispute or get involved in EEML where I fear that I would be topic banned from it and I don't want that to happen to me. Other than that, I am mostly comfortable with Piotrus returning as an administrator. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Thank you for raising valid concerns. You say that I may "ask others to be involved in some major content dispute". Well, yes, I may do so and in fact I have been doing every few months. I believe that there is nothing wrong with administrators (or any other editors) using tools like Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment? I believe that right now there is one RfC started by me: Talk:Campaign_finance#Merge_from_Political_finance; if anybody finds anything inappropriate about it please don't hesitate to point it out (I'd list past RfCs I started but I am not familiar with a tool that would give me a list of them; if anyone knows I'd be glad to learn of it). Now, you also say that you are afraid that I would ask others to "get involved in EEML where I fear that I would be topic banned". No worries there; I wouldn't ask anyone to join EEML. First, I am no longer a member of that particular private listerv (nor, for conspiracy theory and wikilawyering buffs, of any hypothetical descendant or fork of it). Nor am I a member of any other private listserv concerned with Misplaced Pages - the EEML case clearly showed that being a member of any private Misplaced Pages-themed listerv is an unhealthy idea. Let me disclose, however, just in case anybody wonders, that I am a member of numerous public Misplaced Pages-themed listervs, like wikipedia-research-l @ wikimedia.org and education @ wikimedia.org (and I have invited people to join those on occasion). I hope, again, that this is not a problem? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

   Neutral (moved to 'oppose')- garrulous responses and a history (although two years since major issues - but we are dealing with a re-adminship here) that gives me pause. Neutral for now while I find time to examine things more closely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

2. Neutral for the moment at least. Never heard of EEML or listervs before, so I've learned something today. Otherwise, trying to decide if this is an RfA, a circus, or a gladiatorial arena. Peridon (talk) 10:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)