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This page is about articles, not about people. If you feel that a sysop is routinely deleting articles prematurely, or otherwise abusing their powers, please discuss the matter on the user's talk page, or at Misplaced Pages talk:Administrators. If you nominate an article here, be sure to make a note on the sysop's user talk page regarding your nomination. A template, {{subst:DRVNote}} is available to make this easier.

Similarly, if you are a sysop and an article you deleted is subsequently undeleted, please don't take it as an attack.

Content review

Editors who wish to see the content of a deleted article may place a request here. They may wish to use that content elsewhere, for example. Alternatively, they may suspect that an article has been wrongly deleted, but are unable to tell without seeing what exactly was deleted. As a subset of this, sometimes an article which is appropriate for a sister site is deleted without being properly transwikied. If the page is undeleted temporarily, it can be exported complete with history using Special:Export, and then redeleted. This will be especially useful once the import feature is completed.

Many administrators will honour requests to provide the content of a deleted article if asked politely. See Category:User undeletion.

• Can someone please temporarily undelete Badger Badger Badger Parodies as I intend to place it on adhocipedia (see my userpage). CMIIW 19:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Who are you? Please sign your post with ~~~~. Rossami (talk)
• I will be very grateful if a kind administrator posted the contents of the deleted userboxes Drug-free, atheist, evolution2, evol-N and antiuserboxdeletion at a subpage of my userbox for userification. By moving them to the userspace, T1/T2 won't apply. Thanks. Loom91 08:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • No one will help me? Loom91 08:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I'll help you userfy them. Metamagician3000 13:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed deletions

Articles deleted under the Misplaced Pages:Proposed deletion procedure (using the {{PROD}} tag) may be undeleted, without a vote, on reasonable request. Any admin can be asked to do this, alternatively a request may be made here. However, such undeleted articles are open to be speedy deleted or nominated for WP:AFD under the usual rules.

History only undeletion

History only undeletions can be performed without needing a vote on this page. For example, suppose someone writes a biased article on Fred Flintstone, it is deleted, and subsequently someone else writes a decent article on Fred Flintstone. The original, biased article can be undeleted, in which case it will merely sit in the page history of the Fred Flintstone article, causing no harm. Please do not do this in the case of copyright violations.

• Hazelwood Central High School - This was actually kept in AFD, but deleted for being empty. I made a redirect. For the moment, I wish the history to be undeleted. Then I can review it, and decide if it should be a stand-alone article, or remain a redirect. Please note, some older versions have a copyvio, so be sure to restore an appropriate version. It might be, that without the copyvio, there's not enough for an article, which I'll know when I see it. --Rob 15:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmm... that was one of the few school articles I have voted to delete, and I am almost inclined to call the speedy deletion as a valid application of A3. Nonetheless, a history only undeletion isn't harmful so I have done so. Please make some real expansions to the article before "articleizing" this redirect. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
• Religion of Peace - I'd like to see, whether the issues of Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Religion_of_Peace have been addressed. Raphael1 00:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Decisions to be reviewed

• WP:DELREVD

Instructions

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1. Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.
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Commenting in a deletion review

Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors:

• Endorse the original closing decision; or
• Relist on the relevant deletion forum (usually Articles for deletion); or
• List, if the page was speedy deleted outside of the established criteria and you believe it needs a full discussion at the appropriate forum to decide if it should be deleted; or
• Overturn the original decision and optionally an (action) per the Guide to deletion. For a keep decision, the default action associated with overturning is delete and vice versa. If an editor desires some action other than the default, they should make this clear; or
• Allow recreation of the page if new information is presented and deemed sufficient to permit recreation.

Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted:

• *'''Endorse''' The original closing decision looks like it was sound, no reason shown here to overturn it. ~~~~
• *'''Relist''' A new discussion at AfD should bring a more thorough discussion, given the new information shown here. ~~~~
• *'''Allow recreation''' The new information provided looks like it justifies recreation of the article from scratch if there is anyone willing to do the work. ~~~~
• *'''List''' Article was speedied without discussion, criteria given did not match the problem, full discussion at AfD looks warranted. ~~~~
• *'''Overturn and merge''' The article is a content fork, should have been merged into existing article on this topic rather than deleted. ~~~~
• *'''Overturn and userfy''' Needs more development in userspace before being published again, but the subject meets our notability criteria. ~~~~
• *'''Overturn''' Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. ~~~~

Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate. Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of policies and guidelines; long or repeated arguments are not generally helpful. Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome.

The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases.

Temporary undeletion

Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the {{TempUndelete}} template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the policy on biographies of living persons should not be restored.

Closing reviews

A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Administrator instructions. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the appropriate forum. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be closed with the consensus documented.

If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However:

• If the decision under appeal was a speedy deletion, the page(s) in question should be restored, as it indicates the deletion was not uncontroversial. The closer, or any editor, may then proceed to nominate the page at the appropriate deletion discussion forum, if they so choose.
• If the decision under appeal was an XfD close, the closer may, at their discretion, relist the page(s) at the relevant XfD.

Ideally all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly but in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.)

Speedy closes

• Objections to a proposed deletion can be processed immediately as though they were a request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion
• Where the closer of a deletion discussion realizes their close was wrong, and nobody has endorsed, the closer may speedily close as overturn. They should fully reverse their close, restoring any deleted pages if appropriate.
• Where the nominator of a DRV wishes to withdraw their nomination, and nobody else has recommended any outcome other than endorse, the nominator may speedily close as "endorse" (or ask someone else to do so on their behalf).
• Certain discussions may be closed without result if there is no prospect of success (e.g. disruptive or sockpuppet nominations, if the nominator is repeatedly nominating the same page, or the page is listed at WP:DEEPER). These will usually be marked as "administrative close".

26 May 2006

25 May 2006

List of Michael Savage neologisms

The AfD discussion can be found at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Michael Savage neologisms (second nomination).

• UnDelete - list :offers insight into controversial cultural icon, unique extensive jargon reference

Its never been deleted... RN 23:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

It has, he just linked to the wrong article in the heading. I've fixed it. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. AfD was closed quite properly, and a look at the article shows nothing that would be missed from Misplaced Pages. If you'd like to take the content and host it on your own website, I'd be happy to provide it to you. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• endorse closure - keep deleted. This was a valid afd with a 100% consensus that there shouldn't be an article on Misplaced Pages (there were votes to transwiki to Wikiquote, 10 votes to delete and one unsigned comment by an anon that didn't express an opinion about the article). Thryduulf 23:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure but not the actual AfD result. Valid AfD here, but I wouldn't have put "no consensus, leaning towards delete" as the result in the AfD. After discounting the invalid votes, this was definitely a consensus towards delete. A "no consensus" means that the article is kept, not deleted. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC), valid AfD (changed my comments now that RasputinAXP provided a link to the most recent AfD). --Deathphoenix ʕ 03:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• AfD isn't a vote ... fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 00:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, as an AfD closer, I'm aware of that. As I've noted somewhere else, while AfD isn't a vote, and each entry in an AfD is a comment, I choose to name any comment which calls for an action (such as comments that start with Keep, Merge, Redirect, or Delete) a "Vote" for convenience and to differentiate it from an actual comment which doesn't call for an action (such as comments that have no heading, or start with Comment). If you would prefer that I use a different noun, I can call it an iVote, nVote, !Vote, notVote, or something like that. :-) --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted: List of neologisms from a single person? That's a tribute page, a fan page, or an attack page, and it's not an encyclopedia article. Geogre 02:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: as the closer of the most recent AfD on this article, it was a pretty clear Delete.  RasputinAXP  c 03:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I changed my comments to reflect that. I had to look for the AfD manually, but didn't think to look for the second nom. --Deathphoenix ʕ 03:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, keep deleted The closure and deletion was proper, and valid reasons for deletion were expressed in the first and second AfDs and here above, while no reasons expressed for keeping it had any weight to them. (Even if the article were deemed to be proper for WP, it had many problems I had identified in the 1st AfD the maintainers of the page were apparently unwilling to address.) Шизомби 04:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Philip Sandifer

full deletion log (OMG WHEELWAR)

Adam Bishop deleted "Philip Sandifer" (give me a fucking break)

This was a sourced article expanded by editors such as Brenneman and SlimVirgin. The deletion was done for what appear to be emotional rather than legitimate reasons. --SPUI (T - C) 22:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Violation of WP:AUTO, he has had 1 news story, albeit a big one, but not enough to warrant an article. The story itself is more relevant to Misplaced Pages Review than to Snowspinner, because that is where the article started. No point choosing to favour Misplaced Pages admins just because this is Misplaced Pages. The more notable web site should be listed. This needs to stay deleted. 203.122.203.145 22:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it's a violation of WP:AUTO ("I do not consider myself notable, to be clear" doesn't strike me as someone to write an article about himself). --Rory096 22:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think I'm pretty solidly borderline notable, between academic work and the Pulp Decameron story. I trust y'all to keep the article from being libelous, and since I already have a talk page and a user page, it's not like deleting it removes targets for vandals. So please, don't delete the article for reasons having to do with protecting me. On the other hand, if you don't think I'm notable enough, whack it.

Though I don't think I'm a speedy candidate. :) Phil Sandifer 23:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Another note: I do hope, if this article survives, that someone will actually add mention of my publications and academic career, which, while minor, is a hell of a lot more notable and enduring than Boing Boing. Phil Sandifer 00:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted, tactical and legal reasons, good lord! Suggest we close this DRV asap. Kim Bruning 22:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

What "tactical and legal reasons" are those? --SPUI (T - C) 22:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted - No offense to Phil, but one major story isn't enough to make someone notable unless it's a really major story. --Cyde↔Weys 22:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm neutral in this debate, but what defines a major news story and a really major news story? Would being involved in a government scandal be a major story, and doing WTC a really major story? —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 22:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I would say yes, though it depends on the magnitude of the scandal. Harry Whittington is notable, but Phil, not so much. --Rory096 22:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep it deleted, obviously. I can only assume Brenneman and SlimVirgin created this specifically so it could be deleted and fought out on Deletion Review. It's ridiculous. Adam Bishop 22:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • That's not really AGFing. --Rory096 22:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Theoretically it shouldn't deter anyone, but the AFD for this is bound to be one of the most worst ever... RN 22:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. Seriously, this guy isn't particularly notable, except for being mentioned recently in a few blogs and minor media outlets. --72.160.71.156 22:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • IP's only edit ever. --Rory096 22:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • People may be "afraid" of other admins' or arbcommers' insistence on keeping it, and prefer to edit thus. Demi /_C 22:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. Phil doesn't need an article, except possibly as something for the Misplaced Pages Review trolls to sit and gloat over. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 22:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Two of your "Misplaced Pages Review trolls" have posted on this page and think it should be kept deleted. Of course, Zordrac and myself don't speak for everyone and their diverse opinions, but it should be noted that not all of us would like to "sit and gloat over" an article on Phil. --72.160.71.156 23:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Indeed? I'm pleased to hear that. Could Misplaced Pages Review's collective consciousness be developing a collective conscience? Or are you just muddying the waters, and not really ashamed of yourselves at all? fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted – Not sufficiently notable, if he wasn't a Wikipedian he would never have had an article in the first place – Gurch 22:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Changed to Strong undelete – following discussion with Kim Bruning – Gurch 23:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep deleted. I'd vote to delete at an AfD no question -- the news item isn't very notable -- but the arguments for speedying this are a bit fuzzy to me. I've seen two one: a IAR appeal that the AfD would be massively disruptive. , and Kim Bruning's cryptic legal, ethical, and moral claims. I weakly agree with IAR here to avoid disruption and troll feeding. I have to admit I join those who don't currently understand Kim's point at all. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Undelete, after talking with slimvirgin. :-) Kim Bruning 23:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete. I don't think this was speediable. I also think this doesn't have to be disruptive if we don't make it disruptive. If it goes to AfD, I hope everyone will be conscious of the potential for insult inherent in arguing a person's notability—but then, as Phil and others have pointed out, we should always be conscious of that. Finally, I note that if this contains information which is of concern to the subject of the article as being libelous or otherwise harmful, he can (as always) contact the foundation and they can intervene; I don't think we should be trying to do our own version of WP:OFFICE because we guess there could be such a problem. In short, we should handle this like any other article, and crack down firmly on those who don't. -- SCZenz 23:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete. From what I hear, it was well-sourced, and even if it's a minor one-time news story, that's good enough for me. Of course, my standards of notability are very low, but well-sourced articles about nonnotable things certainly aren't going to hurt Misplaced Pages. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 23:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete. The page was not an attack page, and this seems like it can become a major news story, especially after the latest developments. There's an assertion of notability too... not entirely sure it should go through AFD, but it shouldn't have been speedied. Titoxd 23:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  Don't let it go to AfD, that'd be a disaster. Kim Bruning 00:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Request: for the benefit of the non-admins (who can't read deleted pages) and the not-sufficiently-clued (who aren't reading the Misplaced Pages equivalent of Page 6), could someone point to some page that will give the slightest clue what the frak is going on, or would someone at least cough up an executive summary? --Calton | Talk 23:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Okay. (I stand ready to be corrected on details at any time, mark you). Phil Sandifer is a minor (very minor; about as minor as you can be without carrying a pickaxe and canary) academic who has been known to write gory stories about what it's like to be a stalker and/or murderer. Misplaced Pages Review, who hate Phil in his guise as Snowspinner, Admin of Death, discovered his works of fiction and decided that a 'phone call to the cops might be in order, just to see if they could be duped into harrassing him. It worked. The 'blog Boing Boing wrote a story about how dumb it all was. Then someone mused "hey, maybe this makes Fat Phil notable enough for an article" and, lo! There was an article! And we wonder why Adam speedied it ... fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • That's basically what happened, from what I understand. Philip Sandifer is User:Phil Sandifer (formerly User:Snowspinner), a fairly prominent Wikipedian admin. Google News has two hits, Yahoo! has only one of those. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 00:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• (This is probably only 50% accurate :)) Basically a article about the guy was started by a non-involved user, Aaron was going to prod it but then decided not to, then SlimVirgin came in and made a boatload of edits bringing it up to semi-decent quality (but still on the very edge of notability - I think http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=wikien-l&m=114838411432481&w=2 sums up a good part of it). Then it was deleted and restored by like six seperate admins, and brought here somewhere in the middle of that. I have no idea what discussion Kim Bruning is referring to with SlimVirgin though - I'm assuming it is on IRC or E-Mail. That's about all I can think of without undeleting it. RN 00:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted is my first choice, Undelete and list on AfD is my second choice, I'd probably vote delete in the AfD, but I don't think the page as it stood was a CSD A6 (attack page), and I don't think it's so obviously a CSD A7 (non-notable person) because the page was sourced. It takes an AfD to determine whether the sources are good enough, not a speedy delete. --Deathphoenix ʕ 23:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Please let's not start a forestfire over this. My only concern is not to start a forestfire. Kim Bruning 00:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Given your opinion (which I trust), I've changed my vote to make a note that I prefer to keep this article deleted. If the consensus is insufficient for this article to be deleted, it should definitely be AfDed rather than unilaterally kept without an AfD. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Why AfD at all? Kim Bruning 01:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
        • So people can make an informed decision? I know, group decision-making -- it's a crazy idea, but it just might work! --Calton | Talk 01:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
          • In this case AfD starts a forestfire, so definate not-a-good-idea this time. Kim Bruning 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
            • If this is undeleted, I assure you that I will nominate it for deletion, as I would with any article of this (supposedly) "borderline" type, and I am sure I would not be alone in supporting that AfD. If you really mean what you say above, Kim, your first instinct was correct. Xoloz 03:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete (and keep undeleted) -- the unilateral deletions are becoming tiresome; if you contest the notability of any subject, you can propose it for deletion and wait a week, or bring it straight to AFD. Silensor 00:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  Not afd. If the choice is between keep deleted or take to AFD, then keep deleted please. A ForestFire would be bad. Kim Bruning 00:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted Being an English grad student who has a minor run-in with some confused, over-active cops does not make one notable -- nor do I really think its an assertion of notability sufficient to overcome A7. If "I'm a grad student" isn't an assertion of notability (and it isn't, per the policy's text), then I don't think "I'm a grad student mentioned in a local paper" does either. Xoloz 00:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted obviously. I'm not sure which of my "tiresome" unilateral deletions Silensor's referring to, nor why he or she would describe the actions of three admins and the assent of more as "unilateral", but the subject is a lightning rod for abuse from more than one quarter; any AFD is likely to be cursed by contention, and a "keep" isn't a reasonable result. There's no way a reader cares about this--the average professor is more notable, and the "average professor test" has long been in use for biographical notability--and the only reason we seem to care is that he's well known among us as an admin, and among the Misplaced Pages Review crowd as a totalitarian of some kind. In conversation with Kim Bruning, who has related to me SlimVirgin's "secret reasons" for keeping the article, I can assure you that they are in the vein of using Misplaced Pages as a soapbox, "getting the word out" about something which otherwise fewer people would read, and this is not Misplaced Pages's purpose. I'm a fan of doing things the proper, procedural way--you will never hear me shout "Process?! Oh no!" as if it's some kind of inherent evil--but we don't read our policies or procedures as a legal code, and it is occasionally incumbent upon us to do the right thing for the encyclopedia in exceptional circumstances, whatever the letter of the process is. Demi /_C 00:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  No, the reasons to keep from SV were that the article was notable and referenced, as per wikipedia content policies. "Secret reasons" for better words (ick) were used to convince me that it may not harm Snowspinner to have this article around. Kim Bruning 01:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  I mean the reasons that hadn't already been stated. Demi /_C 01:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  Fair enough :-) Kim Bruning 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted, Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages Review navel gazing is not notable. User:Zoe| 02:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted: I see nothing but A7 here. The web emphasizing the importance of a web performer is vanity of vanities, and vanity about something that disappears when the power goes out, to boot. I know that Snowspinner didn't write the article and wants it deleted, but it's still taking the form of a vanity piece to overcome the 'claim of notability' bar. It can only make the claim by arguing that what happens on the web has some actuality to it, some importance to it, or by making the similarly huge assumption that being alledged of a crime or offense is, in fact, a major event. Tens of thousands are accused every day. If he's convicted or kicked out, then we'll be somewhere. Until then, he's just someone studying the faddish "comics" field (Jane Tomkins would be pleased). Geogre 02:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • It sort of helps that Corey Doctorow wrote about it though. Kim Bruning 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment FYI, it appears that WikiTruth is picking this up, so forest fires may be unavoidable. --Maxamegalon2000 03:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted Xoloz, amongst others, properly appreciates that, even if we are sure that Phil (or this incident in particular) is non-notable, we ought to undelete and list at AfD if we can perceive an assertion of notability in the initial article. A7, of course, still permits us some discretion, and I'm inclined to believe that the article (or any possible apropos of Phil or the incident) failed to make even an assertion of notability; were I new page patrolling, I'd likely not have tagged the page for speedy, and were I an admin, I'd likely not have speedied, but I certainly think a contention that the article did not assert the notability of the subject can be understood to be reasonable. In cases where a question entails as to whether an article even has asserted notability, we can likely see controversy, for which the full debate of an AfD is appropriate; here, though, WP:SNOWBALL (through WP:IAR) should be dispositive. It is certain that the result of an AfD would be delete (even as one might oppose that result, he/she must concede that such result is inevitable), and so it is altogether fine that we should keep the article deleted (we needn't to worry about precedent, I think, in view of WP:NBD). I'd really like to redirect to Overzealous local law enforcement officials who fail to understand such concepts as free speech and fiction and ought to be sued pursuant to 42 U.S.C. §1983, but apparently we don't have such an article. Joe 04:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Superhorse

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Superhorse

I would respectfully request that another look be taken at this article. I have added more supporting evidence since the AFD started and I am not sure whether or not it was taken into consideration. This is my first article and I think that a little construtive criticism wouldn't hurt and would help me right write articles in the future.

Quite frankly my first experience was a bit nerve wrecking and I feel that I have learned little and am unsure if I am capable of at least starting an article that would be acceptable to Misplaced Pages' standards. Thanks for all your help and I look forward to a fair and ubiased discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meanax (talk • contribs)

• Comment FWIW, the deleted article can be viewed at a Google cache. Fan1967 21:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: As the closing admin, I'd like to say that I would have liked to be informed about this DRV (please take a look at {{DRVNote}}). Now, to the AfD itself. First of all, it wasn't easy, sifting through the extremely long comments by all the new users (likely sockpuppets or meatpuppets). Next, after discounting those invalid votes, on a strict vote count, I counted four deletes and one keep, with the one keep being by the original author. The delete votes took into account the evidence you were presenting, and they still decided that the subject wasn't notable enough to be included. If this article is kept deleted, it's okay, it's not easy sometimes figuring out what's notable and what's not. It might be easiest for you to find a small music-related articles and expand those instead. Misplaced Pages could use some expansion of articles. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Exicornt

Exicornt is a slang term (or neologism) train buffs use to describe a train track junction that resembles the formation of the letter X. Six months ago, I created an article on this term. However, it ended up getting deleted and renamed to crossover (rail). Several attempts have been made by other editors (not me) to include this word on the article.

I understand that some editors object to having to word mentioned on Misplaced Pages. However, I would like to dispel one user's statement that mentioning exicornt on the article is considered vandalism. Therefore, I am writing to request that Exicornt (which is now a Junk Page) ) be deleted and redirected to crossover (rail)

I am requesting this because I noticed a recent edit war on the crossover (rail) page itself. I fear some editors might accusing me of being a so-called "sockpuppet" as a result.

Though I am prepared to take any criticism, I feel posting the word here for review is a proper course of action to take in light of the recent controversy. Edit warring isn't the answer to solving this problem. -- Eddie, Thursday May 25 2006 at 14:01 14:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. The AFD was completely legit, apart from Eddie's attempts to make it go away. Edit warring doesn't change the reasons why "exicornt" was deleted. No need to create a redirect that would legitimate this word that is used only by a small (perhaps very small) local group. FreplySpang 14:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. I don't see that anything has changed since the AfD result, which was exactly correct. Google still shows no uses of this that aren't Misplaced Pages or Wiktionary-related. · rodii · 14:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

keep deleted I am a railfan, I've been a model railroader since the early 1980s, I helped build the Wisconsin Central project layout for Model Railroader Magazine (article series published in 1997), I'm the lead editor on Portal:Trains and I'm model contest co-chairman and a Director-At-Large for the Midwest Region of the National Model Railroad Association. I hadn't heard of this term before it popped up last November; I've only heard that track configuration referred to as a crossover. Slambo (Speak) 14:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted/NO redirect. Eddie, "exicornt" isn't "a slang term (or neologism) train buffs use", it's a term you made up yourself. This explains the recent edit warring over blanking its AFD -- it's either a crude attempt to hide the background (with its rampant sockpuppetry and vigorously unverified claims) and/or do some SEO cleansing. (I recommend reading the AfD discussion. It is...enlightening.

And by the way, the only reason I stumbled over the recent AfD edit warring was following the shenanigans of some sockpuppetry over the AFD of a made-up New Jersey baseball team, and those sockpuppets seemed interested in the old AFD. You wouldn't know about that, would you, Eddie? --Calton | Talk 14:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. Obviously. But let me note that unless if anyone has good evidence the the contrary, it may be reasonable to imagine that the recent rash of vandalism is by an impersonator, not Eddie himself. I certainly don't have a way to tell. However, the fact that Eddie still doesn't "get it" about "Exicornt" and has used this opportunity to open this silly DRV doesn't seem very reassuring. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't find it reasonable, given his history of rampant sockpuppetry and unceasing attempts to get attention for his made-up word.

And speaking of possible sockpuppetry, I notice that a week ago that someone named Dnd293 (talk · contribs) created redirects to Crossover (rail) at Exicornts and Exicornt. -- which were the user's only edits. You wouldn't know about that, would you, Eddie? --Calton | Talk 15:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for finding those. And of course there's a good chance you're right. But Eddie edited in seeming good faith for a good number of months after he ceased the suckpuppetry and exicornting, so maybe I'm AGFing a little hard here in a spirit of optimism. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted I remember the MfD for Eddie's userpage version of exicornt, where his submitted "source" was a hand-drawn, sloppy diagram of same. I don't see any new sources that would lead to a reevalution here. Xoloz 15:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted as per everyone above. 'Nuff said. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, no compelling reason to overturn previous AFD, nor any new evidence to invalidate it. Titoxd 02:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lock-icon.jpg

Speedy deletion in violation of the quoted WP:CSD "I1" (redundant): A JPEG is clearly not in the same format as an SVG, not only my browser knows this (unfortunately). The icon was in use for several weeks on almost all template talk pages using {{Protection templates}} after somebody proposed it on one of these pages as general "protected" icon. I tested it because visible is better than broken from my POV on Protection templates for about a month - there were no objections. Therefore I added it to the (few) unprotected protection templates (excl. the semi-protection templates, where a lock icon makes no much sense) today. The edit history clearly stated "working with more browsers". -- Omniplex 05:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• mages cannot be restored. Please re-upload it and continue to discuss the issue of what image should be used.--Sean Black 05:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do you have a copy of the image? It's not possible to undelete images, so unless you have a copy somewhere that you can upload if the DRV passes, it won't really help to list it here... Essjay (Talk • Connect) 05:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • No, I only saw it on Template talk:Vprotected - most Misplaced Pages icons don't work with my browser, it's too old for inline PNG. Therefore I won'tb miss the few exceptions like wikipedia_minilogo.gif or this JPG. I can transform PNG to say GIF and upload that. If the result is smaller (in bytes) without untolerable losses, otherwise that would be a stupid strategy. -- Omniplex 07:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • What are you using, Mosaic? Even Netscape 4.5 could handle inline PNG images. --Carnildo 09:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete Reupload This truely puzzles me. I assume no bad faith on Borg Hunter's part, but I really don't have a clue how this happened =) Someone enlighten me =P --mboverload@ 07:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Um, it can't be undeleted, as admins don't have the technical ability to undelete images. Perhaps it might be cached by Google, but I doubt it. Titoxd 07:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Why don't you understand? It is the same thing as Image:Padlock.svg. —BorgHunter (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Google's cache is here. Hurry, it'll be gone soon. --Rory096 08:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• I re-uploaded a new copy. Thankfully, I had it saved! --Sunfazer |Talk 09:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Re-delete What is the big deal? Citing CSD#1 was technicaly wrong, but {{redundant}} and {{BadJPEG}} images are deleted all the time when they are no longer used and replaced by a better version. Misplaced Pages policy is to replace lineart like this with SVG or PNG versions whenever possible. To quote the Format section of Misplaced Pages:Image use policy "Drawings, icons, political maps, flags and other such images are preferably uploaded in SVG format as vector images. Images with large, simple, and continuous blocks of color which are not available as SVG should be in PNG format.". Getting rid of this is entierly within policy. I urge everyone with old browsers that doesn't handle PNG's at all to upgrade or switch browser ASAP. --Sherool (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Just a minor addition, I do agree that this one should have been sent to IFD since it's "replacement" was not the same image in a different format and all that, that would have avoided some confution. However it would most scertainly have ended up getting deleted anyway wich is why I don't think it's a huge deal. By the way unless someone gets around to actualy adding some source info to this image it will get deleted again in 7 days regardles of the outcome of this debate. --Sherool (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, and re-delete per above. Ral315 (talk) 11:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Re-delete per Sherool. Dr Zak 14:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

24 May 2006

Why you deleted the 16 May article about Major Power undeletion?

You people at wikipedia seem to have a probelm with all the things I write. You keep delting them. I think I was opening a big and fair debate about the Major Power article undeletion, but then you deleted what I wrote as you have deleted the article Major Power. I would like to know if I will do changes in the articles(for better, of course) or undeleting some articles I think were fine, what you will do.You people don't want valuable contributes, you want the articles to say only whatyou and some users think it's true. That is not the way, because sooner or latter, you will lost credibility.

ACamposPinho 24 May 2006

• The earlier debate was not "deleted", just closed. The decision was to endorse the redirect/status quo. Your nomination for reconsideration failed. See the Recently Closed section at the bottom of this page. Xoloz 22:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

23 May 2006

College Confidential

VfD, delete log

Its VfD was in August of 2005 and is no longer really relevant, as its 4500 Alexa ranking shows. Also, it clearly falls under the exception to G4 "ensure that the material is substantially identical, and not merely a new article on the same subject," which this was. I suggest listing on AfD. --Rory096 07:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Overturn and list on AfD. A 9-month-old VfD with only five participants ought to be reinforced, especially if new evidence for notability is claimed. Also note Rory's cite of the G4 exception, which is often ignored (or missed). Also note that repeated recreations can be considered evidence of notability (can't find the cite for that in WP's guidelines, though). Powers 13:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse continued deletion unless new evidence of notability is presented. Per WP:WEB, Alexa rank is not evidence of notability. --Sam Blanning 17:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Gnews also has some hits, but they're all borderline trivial mentions. --Rory096 20:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak endorse but open to new AfD listing. I know of this site; I've used it before and found it very helpful. However, the content does not inspire much confidence in the article's potential, and as the others say, Alexa rank isn't a strong notability indicator. (Although IMO it still ought to count for something.) Still, I'm open to an AfD listing because I think we'd benefit either way. Still, there's no real hurt to the encyclopaedia if this remains deleted; it's a one-sentence stub. Johnleemk | Talk 18:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Ghits aren't too bad either. --Rory096 22:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete and relist on AfD, but I do endorse the original deletion. The person bringing this up on AfD has presented some new evidence that could merit this article's inclusion in Misplaced Pages. An AfD is a good way to deletermin if it's more notable now than it was last August. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Naismith Family

This article was deleted through WP:PROD, but substantial objections were raised at Talk:Naismith Family. This is not an aspersion on the deleting admin, who probably didn't notice the talk page (the prod tag was never removed), but the prod was contested and I think it should be reviewed. My own vote would be to list it at AfD, or possibly just to merge it into James Naismith. Chick Bowen 04:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Restored as contested proposed deletion. Nothing more to see here, move along. --Sam Blanning 11:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • That said, I'm going to list it on WP:AFD for a full discussion, as it still looks like an unsourced neologism. --Sam Blanning 11:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Tim Dingle

AfD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tim Dingle

The deletion vote for this article appears to have been initially judged based on the belief that is was a smear campaign. Later in the vote the story was confirmed to have appeared in the news, but the delete argument was then based on lack of notability under WP:BIO. However, WP:BIO specifically includes people who have become known through their involvement in a notorious event. As the subject was clearly in the news for notorious acts, it seems that it would fall into this category and thereby satisfy WP:BIO. Reconsider. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 23:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted. I'm unclear on why this is being brought up again now. Some people at the time set up a website TimDingle.com, which has been kept updated, if you want a summary of the story. At the time, the story was: headmaster accused in drug case. Now the story is: headmaster accused in drug case, charges later dropped. From what I can tell from googling (could be incomplete) it seems this was a local scandal, which certainly was not a big national news story, and I don't see that it's a big enough story to meet notability standards. Fan1967 00:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Note Interesting that TimDingle.com seems to feel the need to include Misplaced Pages in their coverage. There is a page that seems to have the story as it was before deletion (based on my vague recollection of it), as well as a link to the school's article, Royal Grammar School, High Wycombe, which has a lengthy section on the incident. Fan1967 01:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted. I can remember the news story, but after the initial five minutes of infamy it only received mention in a local context (I live in Buckinghamshire). This guy is still just a headteacher who got the chop, and there are plenty of those around. -- Francs2000 01:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted There's a pretty clear precedent that school headmasters/principals aren't notable enough for articles themselves, and a bit of scandal in the local press isn't enough to change that. There's already a full paragraph about it in Royal Grammar School, High Wycombe. I wouldn't object to redirecting Tim Dingle there, I guess. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, the later votes considered the news, and they were still all in favour of deletion. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Abstract People

Why, why, why is the Abstract People article being deleted? Abstract People were one of the biggest metal acts in Ireland in the 90's!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by AbstractPeople (talk • contribs) .

• Because they don't exist, thats why. Quite simple really - fictional bands don't get entries on the Misplaced Pages. --Kiand 22:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • But they can always have a fictional entry! Just close your eyes, and wish upon a star... and you can read their entry, deep inside your heart! :) --Ashenai 22:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
    • You're hilarious....NOT. Ya stupid FOOLS! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AbstractPeople (talk • contribs) .
• I went ahead and speedied the article as a G4 and the bogus AfD page as useless. -GTBacchus 22:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion Bad faith DRV. OhNoitsJamie 22:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion Totally agree with redeleting as G4, bad-faith nom. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• The page is now protected against recreation, and I've blocked the author after he created it a fourth time. Chick Bowen 22:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• The original speedy-deletion was as a "hoax". As we have discussed often before, being a hoax is explicitly not a speedy-deletion criterion. As individuals, we are notoriously poor at sorting the hoaxes from the real though poorly written articles on obscure topics. The subsequent re-deletions were based on the incorrect assumption that the first speedy-deletion was appropriate.
  Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. Like the participants above, I can find no evidence that this band really exists. I can not endorse the speedy-deletion but neither will I argue to overturn it without some evidence of existence. Rossami (talk) 23:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  Rossami, I think you're right. It would have been better if I'd taken it to AfD instead of re-speedying it. There's no point restoring it now (unless evidence comes along), but I'll keep in mind to be more careful with G4s. Thanks for the reminder. -GTBacchus 01:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse status quo - Metamagician3000 00:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC).
• Endorse deletion(s) unless evidence of verifiable existence appears. -GTBacchus 01:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion - obvious hoax, personal abuse from the author shows lack of good faith. Demiurge 08:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion We can't take chances on hoaxes or unverifiable material. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Some remarks. As has been pointed out, this is an incorrect application of G4: that criterion was rewritten last year with just this sort of thing in mind, and it was hoped that it made clear that this kind of action is inappropriate. Just a gentle reminder.:-) As to the comment on the nominator, his crude remarks indicate rudeness and incivility; they do not mean that he is acting in bad faith. Do be careful when questioning the intentions of editors. —Encephalon 11:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion As an Irish rock fan, living in Ireland, I think I'd have heard of 'one of the biggest metal bands in Ireland' - and I haven't. Bastun 16:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian views of Hanukkah

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Christian views of Hanukkah

Congratulations! After a brief discussion (that I just noticed today), with a result 12d:4k:2m, they deleted the {{see also}} for the section Hanukkah#Interaction with other traditions. Was the article unsalvageable? Or the deletors simply ignorant? Now, I'm not sure of the state of the current article (could somebody please undelete for review), as I haven't looked at it since last Hannukah. But this isn't usually considered "Original Research" to document religious practices (editors aren't making up their own), and it affects a lot of folks in my neck of the woods where mixed-faith families are common. Yet, I doubt we really want to make the already long Hannukkah article even longer.... A nice short separate article would be best.

• Undelete and fix any problems, as many (5) of the AfD commentors requested. --William Allen Simpson 15:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. Concerns of those voting delete seem well-thought-out and valid. The article does a poor job of covering this notable issue, and has no sources. I'd say a sourced rewrite from scratch would be best. (I have history-undeleted for review.) -- SCZenz 16:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. As I am the admin who deleted the article, I will not "vote" here, but I will explain my decision. Firstly, and probably most importantly, there was a clear consensus to delete this article as it stood. Secondly, I felt that the delete votes were better informed by our policies than the keep votes were. I myself am Jewish, and am fully aware of the issues involved in this subject; however, I too felt that the article as it stood controvened WP:OR, therefore I saw no reason to go against the majority of votes. My deletion of the article does not mean that the subject is either non-encyclopaedic or unwelcome, but that the article as it stood was in contravention of our policies (a matter which numerous editors agreed upon). An article on this subject must be sourced in detail as the Christian view of Hanukkah is far from universal. Rje 17:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment -- thank you for making it available for review, the article is only a paragraph longer than it was last time I looked at it. IZAK (Jewish) wrote most of it, so I'll prod him. I've no idea what needs "sourcing" as most of it seems to be actual quotes from religious texts. Most of it I've heard in sermons from time to time on the Christian upbringing side, so there might be seminary material somewhere, but I'm long since lapsed and have nobody to ask. Believe me, there's nothing original to somebody raised 5 days a week North American Baptist (with Jewish relatives by marriage). --William Allen Simpson 17:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  I, along with those who voted to delete the article, am not suggesting that IZAK made up the conent of this article. The problem is that the views expressed in the article are not universal, they are those of certain individuals (I am unaware of any Christian denomination having a specific policy towards the religious festivals of other faiths). This being the case, the article absolutely must be sourced (this is made clear at WP:OR). Like I said earlier, I don't think anybody is disputing that some Christians observe Hanukkah; the problem is that it is such a minority, combined with the fact that there is no standard way in which they perform their observations, that it is necessary for this article to contain sources for it to conform with Misplaced Pages's established policies. Rje 18:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  Sorry that you're not familiar with a significant number of denominations here in the American Heartland. Merely millions of people is a "minority" when compared to Roman Catholicism.... Anyway, the only contribution I made at the time was to merge 2 similar articles, and that's how it ended up on my watchlist. While I had an important legal brief due last Thursday, I rarely check the watchlist more than once a week anyway. Now, I've done a simple Google, and among the 847,000 results, there are several that outrank even Misplaced Pages! They are eternalperspectives.com, biblestudy.org, and thetribulationforce.com, all "evangelical" or "messianic", just as the article says! Like I mentioned earlier, some seminarian probably has it printed in a book somewhere, but I'm not the person to ask. Looks like User:Bill Thayer is correct about the future viability of wikipedia.... --William Allen Simpson 19:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• IZAK's response: Hi everyone: Right off the bat let me make it very clear that I did not write this article (it's actually a stub). This material was mostly first added in 2004 by User:Chad A. Woodburn -- please contact him, his user page says he is a Christian pastor and he seems to still be active. I have not tracked it, but you guys have now forced me to look up its history, so here goes: After User:Chad A. Woodburn put it into the Hanukkah article it developed as something of a composite from a few subsequent editors, (examples:)  ;  ; (there are more). When I was editing the main article about the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, rather than deleting this information which was causing constant friction between the Jewish and non-Jewish contributors I opted to move it into a more appropriate article in existence at that time called Evangelical Christian views of Hanukkah (interestingly, User:Chad A. Woodburn, the author seems to fit into that stream judging by what he writes about himself) which was then renamed in another move by User:William Allen Simpson where it got its new name of Christian views of Hanukkah. So that is why there is some confusion, also see the article's history page. Note that this issue of sources was also raised by User:TheRingess. Thus I hope I have clarified the questions you have here. Take care. IZAK 19:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • P.S. By the way, I vote Undelete, as I had no idea about its present fate. It deserves an article of its own. IZAK 19:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

    Thank you, IZAK, for taking the time! --William Allen Simpson 19:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It may deserve an article on its own (that's my opinion, others may differ), but what was there was completely unreferenced. At least Hanukkah bush has ample footnotes. Cheers! Dr Zak 15:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: A cautionary tale -- in the AfD, somebody thought this was a copyvio. As the history revealed by IZAK shows, the cited page is actually a copy of wikipedia from several months later than the original section! --William Allen Simpson 19:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Look guys, I know this is an emotive subject, I really do, but the purpose of this process is not to challenge the outcome of the AfD debate. That debate has been concluded, the purpose of this page, as is clearly stated in the introduction, is to challenge my interpretation of that outcome. Without wishing to appear rude, it is not relevent to this discussion what your oppinion of the article was, or whether you missed the debate or not. What is relevent is whether you think a) I misjudged the consensus to delete, or b) that, if there was such a consensus, that the votes were not valid. I am sorry if I appear a little hot-headed about this, but the existence of this debate suggests quite a serious error on my part. Rje 19:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The votes were not valid. 3 cite a copyvio that did not exist. The nominator and several others call it original research. 4 call it "funny" and a "fork". And the most offensive:

    The "Christian" view of Hanukkah is like the "Dutch" view of Mount Kilimanjaro: not something to have an article about.

    --William Allen Simpson 20:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

    • Even discounting the copyvio votes, there was a consensus to delete. As I have already stated the article failed our criteria for original research. While I agree that term may not be strictly accurate here, and this may be causing some confusion, if you read to policy page you will realise that the article wa in violation - hence the votes for deletion. Rje 20:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion Legitimate Afd with a clear consensus. OhNoitsJamie 20:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. Original consensus was clear. Chick Bowen 21:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. Cut-and-dry AfD. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Although my vote was the first that mentioned a copyvio, it is important to also note that my main reason was that the article contained original research. Kevin 23:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, consensus was obvious. Dr Zak 12:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. The WP:NOR argument, raised by the nominator and most of the other people in favour of deletion, was never rebutted by anyone arguing that it should be kept. The person who tried to say it wasn't OR failed to point to any sources, which is odd given that he claims to be studying the subject area. --bainer (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion - consensus was clear and there were no special circumstances. Metamagician3000 05:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Claught of a bird Dairy Products

I made an article on this famous store on Manitoulin Island. Claught of a bird is indeed an actual person, and he does indeed own that store. I demand that it is un-deleted, for it has good information on one of Manitoulins most popular stores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AppleJuicefromConcentrate (talk • contribs) .

• Endorse deletion, even if there were sources it would still be non notable. --Rory096 22:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, there were no sources...non-notable and unverified. -- Scientizzle 22:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Various spellings of this article title have been made--each with the same content--and deleted. Articles were created by AppleJuicefromConcentrate and his (painfully obvious) sock puppet, Motorox. -- Scientizzle 23:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

LIP6

LIP6 is one of the two largest computer science laboratories in France, with researchers participating at the highest levels (program committees of international conferences, editorial boards of scholarly journals) across a wide variety of computer science disciplines. It is the computer science research arm of Pierre and Marie Curie University (UPMC), the largest science, technology, and medicine university in France, and the highest ranked French university in the University of Shanghai international research ranking. As the researchers also make up the teaching faculty in Computer Science at UPMC, it is, with over 100 faculty, one of the largest Computer Science departments in the world. It is hard to understand how such an institution could not be notable. The copyvio concerns are mitigated by the fact that the contribution came from the copyright holder (the lab) itself. The lab administrators were not contacted, as they should have been following Misplaced Pages's deletion policy, to see if this would be a problem. The answer would have been that the copyright problem is not a problem, and the needed permissions for use of the text and images can be granted. Furthermore, it is not a commercial promotion. It is true, clearly that the style and content must be modified so that it conforms to Misplaced Pages's style considerations and NPOV. However, the material provided should serve as a good basis for this, and the original authors are happy to work as part of the Misplaced Pages community in making the necessary edits. A rewrite is called for, but we do not understand the speedy deletion decision. -- 17:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Rewrite The topic seems to be notable, but Misplaced Pages does not want articles which are merely copy-and-paste jobs from official websites, even if they aren't technically copyvios. We also prefer that articles not be written by their subjects or anyone closely connected with the subject. If anyone cares to write a real article, it would probably stay. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Based on the evidence available at the time, I would also have deleted this as a probable copyright violation. We have had such severe problems with unsourced and illegal content, especially violations about images, that we have unfortunately been forced to take aggressive actions. A rewrite seems appropriate but please be very careful to document the copyright provenance of any text or images copied over. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 13:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Request undeletion of rewritten article I did precisely as suggested here, writing a short article with no copyvio, following the structure and style of an established article on another computer science laboratory, and, not even eight hours later, the new article has vanished. It seems whoever did this does not care to partake in the deletion review process, as no justification for deleting the rewritten article has appeared in this thread. Nor, does it seem, has this new deletion respected the general criteria for speedy deletion, which specifically says: "Before deleting again, the admin should ensure that the material is substantially identical", which it clearly is not. MyPOV 6:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: The deleting admin has already self-reverted the action and apologized in the edit summary. Rossami (talk)

Oz categories

CfD

There used to be several categories sorting the inamates in the Oz TV series:

• Category:Homeboys of Oz
• Category:The Aryan Brotherhood in Oz
• Category:Muslim Prisoners of Oz
• Category:Latin Prisoners of Oz
• Category:Italian Prisoners of Oz

Which were deleted recently by a few people who were against it. (Unfortunately, this deletion vote was not mentioned in any page, so no one could speak for these categories.

As you may see, there are too many articles regarding oz's prisoners, and this categorizing must take place. It should be also mentioned that these categories had some text in them portraying these gangs, and describing the main event that had happened to them during the course of the series.

I will put a link in here in the series' article talk page. Thanks! OzOz 11:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• endorse closure and keep deleted. I suggested to the review nominator that he perhaps write an article like Gangs of Oz (TV series) and include the information that he wants to have in the categories there, but it looks like he has rejected that idea. Categories should not have significant text in them, just guidelines for what should be included in that category. He could then have little headers for Fooians of Oz, describe the gang, and link to whatever related articles were needed either in a text or list form. Original multiple category discussion was here and previous Irish prisoners deletion discussion was here, and I was the closing admin in both cases. Syrthiss 12:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Overturn and undelete. Was a very usefull categorizing IMO. I don't care about the text, though. As far as I'm concerned, it can be sent to a different article. Jimbryho 09:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Overturn and undelete. Randy MacFarFarAway 12:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure and keep deleted. Proper notice was given on the categories themselves, and the vote was unanimous to merge. No valid reason has been given for overturning the CFD. The text that OzOz mentions above is irrelevant, because anything beyond a brief description of a category's contents should be put in articles, not in categories. Postdlf 15:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, CfD got it right. This was an unnecessary categorization. --Cyde↔Weys 16:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. This is kind of irrelevant, but why were there redirects to those categories in articlespace? --Rory096 16:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure the admin arrived at the only conclusion available from the discussion, the categories were correctly tagged: process was followed correctly. Moreover the Category:Oz (TV series) characters does not seem to require subcategories at this time. Tim! 16:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure. I voted to keep them (with some renaming), but nearly everybody else felt otherwise, so I think the admin came to the right conclusion. They can all go in the main Oz characters category.--Mike Selinker 23:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and undelete. There are about 60 articles there not including the CO's (Which some of you suggested to be sent to the main category along with the inmates. It needs to be sorted better. Plus, I believe that many readers might be interested only in the inmates of a certain gang (Instead of the entire category where all of the inmates shown throughout the series' run are put together. Yuval madar 06:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hulk 2

• Overturn. The article on Hulk 2 was previously voted for deletion because it was pretty much unverifiable. Web research on the topic at that time (June 2005) only produced actors confirming they _would not_ be involved in a Hulk sequel. On 28 April 2006, Marvel confirmed that a sequel to the 2003 film was under development.

Currently the article Hulk 2 is protected and redirects to Hulk (film). I therefore propose that the page be edited to redirect to The Incredible Hulk (film) (the apparent working title of the film) which in turn redirects to the Sequel section of the 2003 film article. When sufficient information about the new film becomes available, the sequel information can then be spun out into its own article. Journeyman 06:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Your suggestion would create a Double redirect, which is a Bad Thing. Ask again when you are ready to create the standalone article. Thryduulf 07:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Agree, premature per Thryduulf. When the article is written, I don't even think you need DRV; you can ask any admin to unprotect Hulk 2 and then properly redirect it. Thatcher131 15:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Amiga Virtual Machine

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Amiga virtual machine

Ask for undelete an article about Amiga redirected to 68k, while it has only some marginal relationship with 68K. See Talk:Amiga virtual machine to read all my points why "to undelete" review this article. Here I will made only a light summary of it.

1. The Ask for deletion was inconsistent.
2. There is nothing related in the article about Amiga Virtual machines which justify the redirection to 68000.
3. ABOX has two code interpreters built in: the one for M68000 code, the second for PowerPC PPC603e.
4. Amiga Anywhere AVM for example has nothing related with 68000.
5. during voting the main reasons to delete article by its detractors is related to a certain ignorance about Amiga and its technical features. Amiga it still on the market and evolving.
6. Reasons for Deletion were mainly (as clearly shown into voting discussion) by people who demonstrated hatred versus Amiga platform.
7. Abuse: During votations for deletion/keep there were censorshipped the reasons why to keep the article. (see history of the vote discussion related entry here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_16)

Conclusions:
This facts, i.e. the substantial inconsistence of the Request for Deletion, the presence of evident flamebaits, an evident abuse of censorship, obviously keep prevent other readers to judge with equity.
Also the article couldn't be redirected on 68K page, because three of the AVM have nothing in common with Motorola 68000 except the fact they made use of bundled Code Interpreter of 68000 as a simple bonus.

• ABOX main internal interpreter engine has PPC code interpreter (68000 interpreter is secondary one)
• Amiga Anywhere has no 68000 emulation bonus at all.

I want also to point you all that Amiga Virtual Machine article itself is well written and documented, it was also being edited to match all wikipedia standards.
Here it is all about my points. This is why I strongly ask to you all moderators it will be undelete and restored at the moment of its last revision editing. Thank you in anticipation for your attention and patience.
With respect, --Raffaele Megabyte 13:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• The content has never been deleted. The AFD discussion was closed as "merge" - a flavor of "keep". Disputed mergers are discussed and decided on the respective article Talk pages. Please return to the Talk pages to reach consensus on whether the merger should be kept or reversed. In necessary, consider the Request for Comment process. A Deletion Review discussion is not suited to help you make this decision. Rossami (talk) 13:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• The content has never been merged. There is nothing about AVM in the . Seems to me a deletion hidden by redirect.

To ask you some more clarifications on how to continue democratically fight to obtain that all the article will be re-issued... and not to play sort of "pass the buck" game that it was redirect->merge->delete->unrelated-etc... then, how could be the possible steps I can follow to obtain justice?

Sure I at this moment do not want to bother Request for Comment moderators, while the facts stated that the article is actually vanished.

Is this sort of bureaucratic (and kafkian) moebius-like loop-hole situation?????

Situation requires that someone of high level moderators should take the responsibility for any decision about this strange merge = delete.

Such a decision sholud be really a Solomon-like one, and not a Pilatus-like one such as: «I wash my hands» = i.e. «It is not of my business» which brings the results really not to take any decision at all.

Sincerely, --Raffaele Megabyte 14:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse closure. The history is there, anything that should be merged can still be merged, and I still think that article itself made no sense because of the reasons I stated on the deletion page and elsewhere (WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:NFT for as the term "AVM" is concerned). LjL 19:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• response. So, my dear mr. LjL about your objections of «WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:NFT for as the term "AVM" is concerned» I think you have nothing to object if I ask to allow recreation if notability can be established. Do you have any objection?

• • Response: uh... yeah, the objection is that in the WP:STUFF I cited, notability doesn't even appear :-) People make everything fall under "notability" in AFDs, but notability doesn't even make a policy AFAIK. Now, to be fair, NPOV isn't grounds for deletion when a POV article can be made NPOV; nor is NOR, usually, for the same reason. However, I'll say it again, I do not want to see "AVM" or "Amiga Virtual Machine" gobbledegock, because that is original research (and even if you can point to two or three forum articles that a couple of people who worked on this article wrote, it remains original research, by the way). If you avoid the term "AVM" and such things, then I'll grant you that the article could probably be made NPOV, NOR and even (drums...) notable. But even then I think that the issues the article talked about are much better treated in separate articles, such as Amiga emulation, Motorola 68000, AmigaOS, MorphOS, Amiga Anywhere, and what not. Putting everything under the cap of "Amiga virtual machine" is simply pointless IMHO, besides bordering into original research: there are many very different things involved -- emulation, compatibility layers, APIs, bytecode-oriented VMs (Amiga Anywhere)... much better to just put everything under Category:Amiga, instead of making an article that puts things into strong relationship when there are no such strong relationships at all. LjL 14:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

To support my request I created a list of links into Talk:Amiga_virtual_machine (see paragraph 9), and I ask all readers and moderators (please) to check various notability of the related Amiga Virtual Machine attested terms in numerous sites.

Obviously also NPOV exists beacuse there are many non-amiga sites attesting it (even Slashdot.org and IBM).

Also WP:NOR WP:NFT are not relevant because we are talking about commercial products existing starting since 1998 up today, and there are plenty of primary and secondary sources; no school works, no neologisms at all! Amiga Virtual Machine is not a neologism, it is a common term to define a series of phenomena already present for many years and now emerging.

Sincerely--Raffaele Megabyte 03:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hardly any of your links (if any) use the term "Amiga Virtual Machine", so I don't see how that establishes notability. No one is questioning the notability of Amiga Anywhere - if you want to create that article, go ahead - the issue is with the term "Amiga Virtual Machine". You have provided no evidence that it is a "common term". Mdwh 22:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Response: look, there's some misunderstanding here. I never disclaimed that AmigaDE/AmigaAnywhere is a virtual machine, nor that emulators are not virtual machines. They are. It's just that the term Amiga Virtual Machine -- capitalized, and/or abbreviated to AVM -- is a neologism that doesn't really exist outside Misplaced Pages. The sites you give talk about "virtual machines", and they talk about Amiga, and they explain that Amiga Anywhere is a virtual machine. That's all very well, but it doesn't made "AVM" a valid or meaningful term. Contrast this with the term "Java Virtual Machine" (JVM): that's valid and meaningful because that's what Sun decided to call it, and what everybody else has been calling it since then. It's a very specific term for a very specific thing. "AVM" is a vapourterm. LjL 14:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

22 May 2006

Xombie

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Xombie

It was deleted due to not meeting WP:WEB. Xombie has been in two magazines so far Fangoria and Rue Morque]. This isn't advertising for the site, its about the flash cartoon that's being turned into a movie, how can Misplaced Pages not have this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonkoldyk (talk • contribs)

• Endorse closure (keep deleted). I find no process problems with the AFD discussion. Had I seen this deletion discussion, I would also have argued to delete. I can not convince myself that it is appropriate for Misplaced Pages to include entries for every flash cartoon that comes along. Rossami (talk) 20:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, valid AfD. Af first glance, this seems to be a classic "No consensus" AfD, but only one of the delete votes was valid: one was from an anon, and the other was from a very new user. That puts it right on the border for admin's discretion, and in this case, the closing admin applied it. --Deathphoenix ʕ 20:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and undelete. So here's a situation where the article clearly did not show it met WP:WEB upon its deletion, and we now have evidence that it, in fact, does meet WP:WEB. Without seeing what was there before, I don't know what the article looked like, but given that it seems that process is being followed by coming to DRV instead of just recreating, and WP:WEB (the justification for deletion) is now met, we should undelete. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 01:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure Valid AfD, per Deathphoenix's reasoning. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 10:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and undelete, not every flash cartoon that comes along gets made into a feature-length film released on DVD. Furthermore, this series clearly meets criteria 1 of WP:WEB. AfroDwarf 15:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Gary Howell

In the heat of the moment of deletion, many failed to look at the facts. A notable West Virginian.

• SBA Exporter of the Year for WV 2003
• Inducted into WV's GeneratioNext, 40 WV Leaders under 40
• Award from the WV Office of Tourisms Motorsports Council for promoting the State Through Motorsports

Nationally Known Automotive Person in TV and Print

• Car and Driver Magazine 2003, circulation world wide 1 million +
• C&D Magazine SuperCar Challenge Winnner. Considered to be the best of the best tuners in the world
• Mopar Muscle top Magazine for Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler Products
• Named a Mopar mover and shaker in 1999 by Mopar Muscle Magazine
• Internet Movie Database
• DIY Networks Tricked Out-SRT-4 Exhaust Episode
• DIY Networks Tricked Out-Computer Episode

International Credit Card Fraud Expert

• CBS Evening News
• Wall Street Journal May 1, 2003
• Japanese National Television Appearence on Credit Card Fraud
• Lectures to groups nationwide on Credit Card Fraud Oct 31st 2:00 PM - 3:30 PM - How to Prevent & Reduce Losing Money to Credit Card Fraud

--71Demon 16:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• This has been deleted twice; the first time following an AfD (Admins can see the final version before this deletion at ), with the consensus being that the article failed WP:BIO, WP:CORP and/or WP:VAIN. Having seen the content of the deleted version I would also have voted to delete for these reasons. The second time (earlier today) it was speedy deleted as an nn-bio (CSD:A7) but it could also have been deleted under CSD:G4 (recreation of previoulsy deleted material), that version contained even less information than the previously deleted version and no substantiated notability claims so this was a perfectly valid deletion. Endorse deletions but allow recreation iff notability can be established. I suggest that you start composing an article in your userspace and only move it to the main namespace when it substantially improves on the first version to avoid a further speedy deletion under G4 or A7. If notability is still not established then there should be no prejudice against a second AfD. Thryduulf 16:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Restore Never should have been deleted. Meets all criteria for a good Misplaced Pages article. --70.17.192.78 17:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn/Restore this never should have been deleted --63.243.30.51 17:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• As far as I see it the facts weren't actually presented in such clarity during the afd debate, and so I don't see that the decision to delete was wrong. I'm with Thryduulf: if notability can be established then restore. -- Francs2000 17:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• I'm afraid that I must disagree with the assertion that the facts above were not considered. In fact, they were clearly documented in the deleted version of the article. I find little evidence convincing me that they were ignored or overlooked by the discussion participants. I must also disagree with 71Demon's specific assertion above that Howell is an "international credit fraud expert". Three of the four articles he/she cites as evidence demonstrate no such thing. (The fourth is in Japanese so I could not evaluate it.) Howell was interviewed as a small business owner who has been affected by international credit card fraud. He is no more "expert" than any other small business owner so afflicted.
  I endorse closure (keep deleted) but, as Thryduulf said, there is no prejudice against a new article more thoroughly documenting his achievements. If such an article is written and upheld, we can do a history-restore at that time. Rossami (talk) 20:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, valid AfD. Allow re-creation if the article addresses the concerns mentioned above and in the AfD. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• (Caveat: I was the nom on the AfD in question). Endorse closure as a valid, good-faith AfD. I have no prejudice to recreation as long as it illustrates notability. To do so, the article should focus on Howell's work in the world of hot rods and automobiles (where he may possibly be notable in a relative sense) and it should prove said notability in that field. His status as a guy that has been interviewed because his business was ripped off (at least until his book is published) and his goal of seeking a seat on a local county commission should only be mentioned as side-notes and do not contribute either way to his notability or lack there of. youngamerican (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

New Sincerity

This article needed expanding, not deleting. It is a verifiable media theory, although the article itself needed work. The opinion when discussed was mixed, but this is a real and serious theory that should have a place on Misplaced Pages. If the article is not reinstated, can I at least have the original content to be worked into a fuller, referenced article that can be? --Hippo Shaped 17:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/New Sincerity for the deletion debate.

• Endorse deletion but allow userfication. This was a valid closure of the AfD, but based on the comments by some participants it seems as though there is potential for a valid, verifiable article and indeed some work was done to improve the article during the debate, but this was not enough to influence a turnaround in voting. I recommoned that Hippo Shaped be allowed the content to work on it. I feel that it do the article good not to be associated with some of its mid-life incarnations as these were detrimental to people's opinions of it at AfD. Thryduulf 17:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure. I voted keep on the AfD discussion, but it was closed properly, if you can come up with a valid, verifiable article, then please recreate it in your User space and bring it back here for review. User:Zoe| 22:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, valid AfD. It was relisted twice, so it was a bit of a difficult one (though when I relisted it the second time, I didn't realise it was already relisted), but I think it was closed appropriately. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Successful Praying

I request the return of the article on the book Successful Praying because it was deleted without due respect for the deletion process. I would ask that this request be based on whether or not due process was followed (which I think is strong) and not on whether the article may or may not survive a more considered delete process (which I admit is less strong). See also the discussion with the admin about this deletion. Thanks, Brusselsshrek 08:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Technical undelete as it clearly wasn't a speedy candidate, however I recommend Brussels writes an article on the author Frederick Julius Huegel instead of or at least before writing an article on his book. Articles on authors can frequently contain most of the useful information about their writing. --Sam Blanning 10:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. While I have little doubt this was done in good faith, a table of contents of a book is copyrighted. After stripping the TOC and the copyrighted cover images (they can only be used in articles that discuss the book -- not ones that say Title is a book by so and so), all you have left is "Successful Praying, subtitled an explanation of ten rules which guarantee answered prayer is the title of a book by Frederick Julius Huegel." with an ISBN and a link. I don't think that result was an article. I would agree that an article about the author is probably more feasible, but if Brussel can mention something about the book other than the basic details (especially what makes the book special enough for an entry), I have little problems with a recreation. But I don't think the original should be reinstated. Userfy if he wants to expand. - Mgm| 10:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I had fully intended to write more information about the contents of the book, but the stub was deleted within DAYS of it being created. The TOC was there to form a skeleton for what I was about to write. To argue that the content was not sufficient to justify recreation misses many important points:
    1. the article had only been created a few days earlier (thus deleted contrary to wikipedia guidelines of allowing a stub a reasonable time to develop).
    2. the author of the article was not informed of the deletion, except as a "speedy-delete" (while he was asleep) and so had no chance to add the real value which is suggested was missing
    3. the proper procedure was not followed, and I as the person to have most suffered from this lack of procedure, am simply asking for the right to create the article which I wanted to create.

    I will add that I have now spent a huge amount of time simply fighting against this speedy-delete, and it is a real tragedy that I waste almost all of the time I spend on Misplaced Pages editing recently because what I see as this admins blunder, rather than contributing useful stuff.Brusselsshrek 12:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse speedy-deletion as a copyright violation. Unfortunately, Brusselsshrek's statement of his/her intention to expand the stub past copy-vio status does nothing to protect the project. Every page must stand alone as is at the time you hit the "save page" button. The courts have not yet sanctioned us for tolerating copyvios for short periods but that is a theory that we should not test. Take the time to write a solid, non-copyvio stub. Then post it.
  As to Brusselsshrek's claims that he/she was not informed, no notice is required nor is any such notice appropriate (though it can, in some cases, be courteous). Please read (or re-read) WP:OWN. None of us has any claim to ownership of any page here. Rossami (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse speedy, per Mgm & Rossami. Sorry, Brusselsshrek, dealing with copyvios takes precedence over everything. Even if you plan to expand the article, any content that is a copyright violation is simply not acceptable (for legal reaasons) and must be removed from the article history. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion per Deathphoenix. Although I would have taken a different route (tagging the copyvio and asking the editor to userfy it until it was further along) the destination is the same. Thatcher131 15:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I get the point about copyvio. Question though, I have done the identical thing for the article The Cross and the Switchblade, that is, I have scanned the front/back cover of the book. Is that not copyvio? What is the guideline? I know there's a lot of general stuff written here about copyvio, but what is the story on book covers? Can I or can't I copy them? The book covers for the Successful Praying article were scanned at exactly the same resolution or size as the book cover for The Cross and the Switchblade for which nobody seems to be saying anything. Thanks for clarifying. Brusselsshrek 08:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

If you read the guideline at WP:FAIR it seems that a scan of a book cover to accompany an article about the book is ok. However, copying the text from the jacket so as to constitute the body of the article is definitely not. I would say that at least half of The Cross and the Switchblade is an unacceptable copyright violation. You should find some other way to describe the contents of the book in your own words. Thatcher131 14:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Videohypertransference

Wow... I really hope I am doing this right. Sincere apologies if I am getting this protocol wrong - I am quite a newbie. I have 2 points to make about the deletion of this article, or maybe 3. 1) May I have the text copied to my userspace? If all else fails here, I would at least be interested in getting the latest version of the text for my own personal use. 2) I didn't get any warning about the deletion notice (prolly because I didn't login for a couple of weeks), so I never got a chance to say anything about the deletion vote. I think the article is a valid attempt, and I would be happy to try and source the article a bit more thoroughly. However, as I pointed out on the discussion page, there isn't much information directly available on this topic via Google. It is a very recent phenomenon, and I did my best to scientifically describe the empirical facts. This is just my opinion, but I often find people have a very strange view of what science is! 3ish) I think the article can be improved if it is fully undeleted. The phenomenon of videohypertransference is a real one, and deserves documenting. It has grown out of the rise of video (and video nasties) in the west, and the popularity of video game culture in Japan. Thanks for your consideration, --Dan| 08:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• I've moved the text to User:Dmb000006/Videohypertransference. Please stick a {{delete|unwanted user subpage}} notice on it when this deletion review is closed and you're otherwise done with the text, as Misplaced Pages is not a free webhost. Anyway, I think the main issue is: does anyone actually refer to this as "videohypertransference"? Otherwise the article is fundamentally original thought. In the absence of specific new evidence that would theoretically have caused the very clear consensus in the AfD to be otherwise, endorse closure. --Sam Blanning 10:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... Would it be possible to get the discussion page restored too? I made some useful comments for the would-be deleter on that page, as well as some notes regarding the stories in the media. Thank you! --Dan| 06:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion, valid AfD, which was overwhelmingly in favour of deletion. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

21 May 2006

Church of Reality

I want to hear countering viewpoints of the Church of Reality, after seeing bumper stickers in San Francisco. It looks like the page is permanently deleted, but no explanation has been given as to why. It is an athiestic organization: is the page being suppressed by political opponents? Please reinstate to allow open information exchange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.103.182 (talk • contribs)

• Previous discussion: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Church of Reality. It was then speedied a bunch of times when recreated. --W.marsh 02:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Without voting one way or the other yet, I'll answer: no, of course it's not being oppressed by political opponents. Repeat that too much and you'll just end up sounding like a bunch of paranoid kooks. Now, has anything changed since the AfD to make the Church of Reality more notable or give it more verifiable, published information? rspeer / yYYdsy 07:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Azn people in United States

User:Vegaswikian has been deleting the pages which link to the Asian American page under the assumption that "internet slang" is not covered under a reason for a redirect page, but I User:Dark Tichondrias believe the alternative spelling is covered in Misplaced Pages's redirect reasons. On Misplaced Pages:Redirect page the third reason for a redirect is for other spellings and punctuations. "Azn" or "AZN" are an alternative spelling for Asian. These alternative spellings are used on the internet, but the fact they are used on the internet has no bearing on their status of being an alternative spelling. --- Dark Tichondrias 20:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted, and delete other implausible redirects created by the same user. - Mike Rosoft 20:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. I'm another editor who's been going through and cleaning up the myriad of redirects you consider an alternative spelling, and I'm hard pressed to figure out how someone would type "Asain (Office of Management and Budget)" into the search box.  RasputinAXP  c 00:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted - highly tenuous. Metamagician3000 01:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Kp dltd. LjL 01:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. LjL stole my line. · rodii · 02:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, but don't waste time on deleting other implausible redirects by the same user. His time would have been better spent creating articles with substance, but the presence of these redirects didn't, I think, hurt anyone. We shouldn't be wasting our time deleting harmless redirects. (If this discussion were about whether to perform the initial deletions or not, I would have voted Keep, I think...) --Lukobe 05:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. Redirects for typos are fine, being lazy and not typing all letters is not. - Mgm| 10:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted Don't want to open the floodgates for other nonsensical internet-speak redirects. leet leg@l d00dz as a redirect to Supreme Court, anyone? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• You mean it wasn't already? ;)  RasputinAXP  c 20:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: "Azn" is more than just an internet slang term. Our local television cable provider carries AZN television, an English language network for Asian viewers (mainly Filipino). However, the vast numbers of redirects being created is silly and verging on disruptive, considering how much space they take up in Recent Changes. No vote. User:Zoe| 22:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted and chase down the dozens of others: as one of the mop-wielders who had to clear this lot out of CAT:CSD I can assure you that there were a huge number, all of which were pretty much nonsensical. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 08:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted at the risk of sounding eletist, somone who can't tell the difference between IM slang and an encyclopedia probably won't learn too much here anyway. Thatcher131 15:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted per Thatcher131, Andrew Lenahan, & Rasputin.--WilliamThweatt 15:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted An unencyclopedic and unnecessary term. Anybody who knows "AZN" knows Asian.--Folksong 19:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, inappropriate redirect. Titoxd 02:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

AlmightyLOL

Overturn This site has grown effectively in prominence over the internet subculture since it's conception in December 2005. I know alot of fucktards have been screwing with the page, but what if somebody comes to wikipedia and wants to know what almightyLOL is? Is wikipedia just going to say "sorry, bro, you're on your own with this one", or refer people to encyclopedia dramatica? All I'm asking for is to write a stub expalining what it is, slip a link in at the bottom of the page, then have it put on protected. Doesn't that make sense? WALKER--

• Endorse deletion, valid A7 speedy, even if it wasn't the ongoing AfD was a snowball delete, no new arguments presented. I remind its members again that Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for advertising. --Sam Blanning 17:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• By the way, this is a wiki. No article may be permanently protected. --Sam Blanning 17:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Properly deleted pages that are repeatedly recreated may be but it shouldn't be commonly needed. Pegasus1138 ---- 17:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Deleted without being able to see the deleted content but with the help of google searches and archive looks to compensate it looks like this is yet another fad that doesn't deserve an article and I agree with Samuel Blanning that it would be a snowball and quite possibly a speedy close AFD if it were to go there. Pegasus1138 ---- 17:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• comment I understand WP:NOT, but I also understand what it is, a source of information available to the public. If people need to know what almightyLOL is, then wikipedia should be their first source of information. If I were to go around posting an external link to almightylol from every other page, that would be advertising. But an article simply telling what it is should be allowable. WALKER 18:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  So you're arguing against Misplaced Pages:Verifiability then? If there are reliable sources talking about AlmightyLOL, then we might have something to write about. -GTBacchus 18:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  To rephrase what GTBacchus said, Misplaced Pages is never the first source for anything. Encyclopaedias are tertiary sources, that is, they are the third source after reliable journals, newspapers and other publications with suitable fact-checking standards. --Sam Blanning 18:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  Well then, where's the source for the page on YTMND?

  Keep deleted. Good idea, let's delete YTMND and related junk. Where do you think the fucktards are coming from? · rodii · 02:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

  Actually, YTMND references such sources as CNN and The Wall Street Journal, because it's a notable enough phenomenon that those publications decided it was worth a mention. Has AlmightyLOL received coverage in the national mainstream press? -GTBacchus 20:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion and protection, this thing has been deleted three times in less than three months. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion and protection BTW: You're not going to win support by calling people "fucktards."--Folksong 20:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, fucktard. --Cyde↔Weys 17:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

List of video game collector and special editions

Overturn and Rename The majority of the calls for deletion at the original AFD debate found here Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of video game collector and special editions were made before the article was even complete 10% of its state at the time of deletion. All votes to keep the page however were made after most progress had been made. Originally then, the nomination was much more valid, but as the page took shape and it's purpose and scope were better defined, it became a very useful and focused resource for people to use. I DO however, suggest it is renamed to something like "List of NA video games with limited editions" to better call attention to what it covers. The list is not unmaintainable as some asserted, only a handful of games get such a release every year; and it is not indiscriminate when you put focus on and understand the "limited" aspect, and limit inclusion to games released in the NA market (as admittedly numerous Japan released games get limited editions). There are perhaps another dozen or two more games beyond what the list already covered. Suggestions that people should visit hundreds of individual games pages to see if a game has a special edition is ridiculously inefficient (and makes the assumption those pages even mention such a release); this puts everything on one page, with the added benefit of describing what made each limited edition special (unlike the beginning when it was merely a literal list of titles). If anything I learned not to put up a page until it is more or less done. Also I was insulted by the admin's insinuation I used multiple accounts on the AFD page to bias the discussion, if anything its proof there are people who value such information. Deusfaux 13:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Also any comparisons to this being similiar to a list of special edition dvd movies is invalid as the total # of limited edition video games ever released would not equal even one year's worth of "special/limited" edition dvds (which sees nearly every title get such a release.) An easily maintainable list. Deusfaux 13:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure. Those arguing for deletion did not do so on the basis that the list was incomplete, so their rationales applied to the article as it stood at deletion. --Sam Blanning 14:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • But then what basis DID they vote on?. When I said it was incomplete I didnt mean as to which titles it included, I meant incomplete as in zero formatting, and <10 titles (names only) all on the same line with no intro or discussion of what the page was attempting to do. If anything, they were based were largely based on the page's title then, as there was little to no article to vote on. How could they vote on the premise for the page when one couldnt even be communicated to them at the time they were viewing it? I would have nominated it for deletion myself. It was junk. However, it wasnt for long, at all. Deusfaux 14:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• You can easily see the basis they voted on if you view the AfD page. You can see their reasonings there. The overwhelming theme was that it was not an encyclopedic list (aka listcruft). Metros232 14:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• And at the time they made those comments, it was true. My issue is that the page was essentially a stub for what would become something substantially different later on, so they are invalid. On Deletion Review: "It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information)," Deusfaux 14:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Users weren't voting on the content of the article, rather the CONCEPT of the article. No matter what you did or put into it, the article would have still be deleted for being an unencyclopedic list. Metros232 15:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Again from above: "How could they vote on the premise for the page when one couldnt even be communicated to them at the time they were viewing it?" Where were they deriving what the concept was supposed to be? The title then? Ironic because I think it should be renamed anyways. Deusfaux 15:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse closure the majority of the grounds was listcruft. I agree. Nothing improper. Computerjoe's talk 14:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Can anyone even view the page at this point? Just going by the AFD is not appropriate in regards to the reasons called for undeletion.Deusfaux 14:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Apart from the issue of whether early delete votes failed to take into account new evidence, all the reasons for undeletion were addressed in the AfD. Deletion review is not a rematch, it is for reviewing whether process was followed; therefore the AfD and its outcome is the important thing to be considered, not the content of the article. --Sam Blanning 15:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • So since the article is vastly different from what was laregly voted on to be deleted, I shouldnt be asking for a review into the process that got it deleted; I should just remake the page and see if people call for it to be deleted then? Deusfaux 15:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
      • If a consensus emerges here that the outcome would have been different if new evidence was considered, only then may the article will be restored and relisted on AfD. --Sam Blanning 16:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
        • If indeed your revised version now properly addresses the objections raised in the article's AfD, irrespective of the disposition of deletion review, it would be appropriate for you to recreate the article, although the article would be deleted, perhaps speedily, were it to be exorbitantly similar to the version for which an AfD was already closed. Sam's point apropos of new evidence is, to be sure, correct; if the changes, though, aren't to introduce new evidence as, for example, to notability, but, instead, to reformulate the page such that it no longer is an unencyclopedic list (per WP:NOT), sometimes a new article should simply be created (although I concur in Metros' comment inasmuch as I can't conceive of any version of the list/article that would comport with WP:NOT). The deletion of an article on a given subject does not preclude its recreation (see, e.g., in the case of an article about The Beatles that was speedied as nonsense or AfDed as being unencyclopedic, the deletion of a previous article would not prohibit the creation of an article consistent with Misplaced Pages policy, given that the subject would surely be notable); it does, though, prohibit recreation of an article substantially similar to that which was deleted (absent new evidence ). Joe 19:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and relist. This is a sticky situation. It appears that most of the delete votes were indeed based on a proto-version of the article, one which did not have the valuable annotation which the most recent version (as per my recollection) did. As per WP:LIST, an annotated list is a good candidate for keeping rather than making into a category. I don't see anything in WP:NOT that applies to this article. Claims of listcruft are also dubious: the list is of broad interest, the list is not indiscriminate, the content is verifiable, the concept is notable, the list is of sufficient length, the list is maintainable, the list is annotated, and the list is encyclopedic. The important thing is that many of the listcruft criteria were indeed met by the initial version, but were (or may have been) eliminated by the deleted version. That deleted version deserves a second chance, ideally with "Delete" voters providing a more detailed explanation than just "listcruft" (per WP:LC, "listcruft" alone is not by itself sufficient reason for deletion). Powers 00:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion: the list has been replaced with a category (currently nominated for renaming) which in the circumstances is actually more useful. My usual objection to converting a list to a category is that the latter cannot include placeholders for items not currently covered by an article; however there should be nothing in this "list" which does not already have an article and therefore the category is eminently suitable. I was saddened both by the excessive references to listcruft in the AFD discussion, verging on incivility, and by the indications of claimed ownership being displayed by the originator who is now contesting the suggested renaming of the category and threatening to recreate the list. HTH HAND �Phil | Talk 07:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • In my opinion, the category is insufficient as a replacement because it is the annotation present in the list that makes it encyclopedic. That annotation does not exist in the category. Powers 14:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • A catergory would likely have links to pages that do not exist, and makes assumptions various game articles mention an L.E. and then makes the assumption those notes describe what the L.E. included or what made it special - all of which is not an issue with the list. BTW, I dont think the page should be renamed because I think it should be deleted altogether for reasons following, also I never "threatened" to remake this list - I asked in this very discussion if that would be appropriate. Deusfaux 08:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Looking over the catergoy page, a review of the first 10 entries indicate 5 of the linked articles do NOT mention any L.E. in any form (unverifiable), and 3 do not have a L.E. (as was defined to be discriminate) anyways. (they refer to marketing applied "special" editions which are merely re-releases and in no way limited) The page is a joke to wikipedia standards, and people would be far better served by a list with annotation, like the one in review. Deusfaux 08:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and relist per Powers. - Mgm| 10:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

17 May 2006

Automobile/Motor Manufacturer CFD

At the end of a CFD to move Automobile/Motor Manufacturers to the "Company of Foo" format, there seemed to be a good body of opinion in favour but with the caveat of Motor Manufacturers rather than Automobile Manufacturers where this is local usage, which was an alteration from the original nomination. User:Cyde then put User:Cydebot to work altering all of the categories as per the nomination without reference to the CFD disscussion. Noticing this in progress I posted to Cyde's talk page then having had no response to Bots. Some 10 hours later User:Tim! closed the CFD noting that Cyde had already done the rename, I then posted to Tim! as per the advice given on the Bot noticeboard, who replied on my talk page. Cyde later replied on his talk page with a comment that seems to justify over ruling any CFD at the will of the closing Admin.

I suggest that the categories be renamed, or at least full consideration is given renaming them, inline with the CFD discussion. Ian3055 23:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Overturn and rename per local usage. Manifestly improper close, ignoring WP:Consensus to start the useless thing, an Anglo-American language dispute. Septentrionalis 04:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse status quo. "Motor manufacturers" would be manifestly misleading, as the companies in question actually produce whole cars, rather than merely exporting motors to be installed in some other country. — May. 12, '06 <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Note that the industry trade body is called the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders and of course a Motor manufacturer produces more than Engines. Ian3055 12:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

What a confusingly named organization. — May. 15, '06 <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Like the man said, local differences. Car driver = motorist. Car salesman = motor trader. Automobile is almost unusued this side of the pond, we find "car" shorter and more convenient. Just zis Guy you know? 12:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• This got no attention and I have no idea what to do with it, so I've moved it to the top of the heap. And subst the subpage, because I hate them like poison. - brenneman 12:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Rename to match local usage, no good reason to ignore the consensus that CFD came up with. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse status quo - I would prefer "motor vehicle manufacturers" (which sometimes gets abbreviated to "motor manufacturers"), but surely this isn't worth much of a fuss over. The outcome reached was sensible enough to stand. Metamagician3000 11:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• For values of sensible which include using a term which is simply not used at all in some of the countries named... Just zis Guy you know? 16:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Recently concluded

2006 May

1. Automobile manufaturers categories Sent back to CFD. 23:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Review
2. Naismith Family Contested PROD, restored and sent to AfD. 19:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
3. Philip Sandifer DRV aborted, listed at AfD. 2006-05-26 19:30:22 (UTC) Review
4. Church of Reality Minimal discussion, but kept deleted on the basis of lack of stated grounds in the nomination. 16:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
5. Azn people in United States Kept deleted unanimously. 16:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
6. AlmightyLOL Kept deleted unanimously. 16:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
7. List of video game collector and special editions By strict "tally", discussion was "tied", 3-3; however, weight of argument tipped in favor of relisting. 16:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
8. User:Raphael1/Persecution of Muslims Speedy deletion endorsed. 02:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
9. WWE Divas Do New York Keep closure endorsed. 00:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
10. I Like Monkeys, speedy reversed and send to AFD. 20:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
11. Science3456 sockpuppetry AfDs, debates relisted except GNAA. 17:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
12. Structures of the GLA, debate relisted Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Structures of the GLA (second nomination) 17:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
13. Prhizzm, undeleted and relisting at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Prhizzm (second nomination). 17:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
14. List of proper nouns containing a bang This case was complicated by an out-of-process deletion during DRV. In consideration of the consensus afterwards expressed that this out-of-process deletion was in error, article will be relisted afresh at AfD. 03:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
15. Brooks Kubik Undeleted and relisted at AfD for further consideration. 17:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
16. ProgressSoft Undeleted and relisted at AfD for further consideration. 16:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
17. Aww Nigga Kept deleted and protected. 16:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
18. that ass Deletion endorsed unanimously. 16:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
19. Matrixism Status quo (previous deletions and current redirect) endorsed. 03:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
20. Talk:Ancient Roman units of measurement/Hexadecimal metric system Discussion subpage undeleted. 03:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
21. Male Unbifurcated Garment Deletion closure endorsed. 03:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
22. Major power Redirect closure endorsed unanimously. 18:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
23. User:Travb/Tactics of some admins regarding copyright Deletion endorsed. 18:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
24. James R. Gillespie Deletion endorsed. 18:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
25. Longest streets in London Deletion endorsed. 18:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
26. JOIDES Resolution and Chikyu Deletion endorsed. 17:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
27. Template:Mills corp Undeleted and relisted on AfD. 17:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
28. Israel News Agency Undeleted, relisting on AFD has been suggested. 16:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
29. Eminem's enemies Deletion endorsed unanimously. 16:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
30. Cock block Narrow majority, 12-11, favor undeletion and relisting at AfD. 16:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
31. Ryan Rider Userfied. 13:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
32. The Adventures of Dr. McNinja Kept deleted. 2006-05-23 12:18:11 (UTC) Review
33. myg0t Kept deleted. 2006-05-23 08:06:33 (UTC) Review
34. Majestic-12 Distributed Search Engine relisted to AFD 20:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Review
35. Category:Sylviidae Accidental deletion, content restored. 19:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Review
36. Rationales to impeach George W. Bush Closure as merge endorsed unanimously. 16:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
37. DJ Cheapshot, SpyTech Records and 4-Zone (rapper) Speedy deletions endorsed. 16:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
38. The Juggernaut Bitch Kept Deleted. 02:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
39. Thirty Ought Six Deletion endorsed. (Current redirect is unrelated.) 02:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
40. RAD Data Communications Kept deleted. - 12:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
41. Link leak Kpet deleted. - 12:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
42. Conservative Underground Kept deleted. - 11:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
43. Template:Tracker Kept deleted. - 11:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
44. Gordon Cheng - Restored and relisted, now at AfD. - 11:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
45. Category:Wold Newton family members - Close of keep endorsed. - 11:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
46. Ryze - Undeleted and relisted on AFD per consensus. 23:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Review
47. Jack Berman - Restored history per consensus. 22:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Review
48. Ghey - kept deleted but protection removed. Redirect target undecided. 22:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Review
49. CEWC-Cymru - Restored as contested PROD. 03:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Review
50. Nephew (band) - Mistaken nomination. Kept deleted. No prejudice against creation of a different article at the same title. 03:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Review
51. Andrew Kepple - Disputed prod, restored and listed to AFD. 03:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Review
52. Sports betting forum Resotored and stubbed by deleting admin. 07:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
53. YMF-X000A Dreadnought Gundam Closure of "keep" endorsed. 07:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
54. Upfront Rewards Kept deleted and protected. 07:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
55. David Anber Kept deleted. 02:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
56. User_talk:Gomi-no-sensei/archive restored by deleting admin. 02:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC) Review
57. Rationales for not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2008 Kept deleted and protected. 01:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
58. Willy on Wheels Kept deleted and protected. 01:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
59. Aaron Donahue Kept deleted and protected. 01:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
60. OITC fraud Closure endorsed without prejudice to NPOV article being written. 01:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
61. StarCraft_II Kept deleted and protected against recreation. 01:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
62. Michael Crook Kept deleted. 01:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
63. Dualabs Endorse "non-deletion" outcome but strong objections raised to closer's methods. 00:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
64. VOIPBuster Speedily restored by deleting admin, listed at AfD. 00:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC) Review
65. List of people with absolute pitch kept deleted. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
66. Template:Infobox Conditionals never actually deleted but no support for undoing the redirect. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
67. MusE returned to normal editing. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
68. Template:Ifdef kept deleted. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
69. Reverend and The Makers. Relisted on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Reverend and The Makers. 06:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
70. Userbox, Userboxes. Both cross-space redirects restored by a slight 10-8 majority and relisted on WP:RFD. 06:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
71. Global Resource Bank Initiative. Relisted on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Global Resource Bank Initiative. 06:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
72. Cool (African philosophy). Closure endorsed but page already redirects to African aesthetic anyway. 06:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
73. Cajun Nights MUSH Kept deleted unanimously. 00:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
74. Rosario Isasi Closure as keep endorsed unanimously, without prejudice to a future AfD nom. 00:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
75. El kondor pada Speedily restored by deleting admin, listed at AfD. 20:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Review
76. Futuristic Sex Robotz DRV nomination withdrawn. 23:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
77. Insert Text Redirect restored by unanimous consensus. 22:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
78. Scott Thayer Deletion closure endorsed. 22:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
79. Psittacine Beak and Feather Disease Recreation permitted. 22:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
80. Category:User kon Restored, tho I (Syrthiss) am about to relist it with a cogent explanation at CFD. 22:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
81. List of "All your base are belong to us" external links Deletion endorsed unanimously. 22:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
82. SilentHeroes Different from CSD A4 material, restored and relisted at AFD. 21:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
83. Bands (neck) Restored after copyright problem satisfactorily resolved. 14:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC) Review
84. The Amazing Racist Deletion closure endorsed. 13:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
85. User:Avillia/CVU_Politics Restoration permitted after removal of copyrighted material. 13:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
86. Gurunath Keep closure at AfD endorsed unanimously. 13:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
87. Rationales to impeach George W. Bush Relisted for 3rd AfD, after deprecation of prematurely-closed 2nd AfD. 12:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
88. The Game (game), most recent AfD endorsed, page restored. 02:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review

Recent userbox discussions

• Template:User Republican, Template:User Democrat (result kd, WP:SNOW, strong endorsement and blatantly polemical userboxes.
• Template:User Chinese reunification (result keep deleted, WP:SNOW it has emerged in debate that PRC/ROC question is *de facto* polemical and divisive.)
• Template:User UKIP, Template:User UK Conservative, etc (result Close, WP:SNOW,massive endorsement for deletion)
• Template:User iamafish-en, Template:User iamalemming-en, Template:User iamamonarch-en and Template:User iamanaeroplane-en Speedy undeleted and listed at TfD after initial defective DRV. 23:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
• Template:User Church of Christ (keep deleted)
• Template:User atheist (result undelete)
• Template:User scientology (result kd)
• Template:User liberal (result keep deleted, WP:SNOW, massive endorsement)
• Template:User Hell, Template:User Ideal Dictator, and Template:User Elitist Consensus was to keep User Hell (which has already survived TfD), and undelete and TfD the others. 15:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
• Template:User liberty (result kd, unanimous, WP:SNOW)
• Template:User chav & Template:User notchav (result kd, unanimous, WP:SNOW)
• User:CharonX/Userboxes/User christian restored by 27-36 majority, will be relisted at TfD in pre-edit war form. 17:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
• Template:User hate (result kept deleted. WP:SNOW. Only nominator for review wanted it undeleted).
• Template:User Wikicheese-ologist (result kept deleted)
• Template:User ProIsrael: (result keep deleted, WP:SNOW)
• Template:User varied sex: (result kept deleted, closed as frivolous challenge)
• Template:User Triceratops Accident (result kept deleted)
• Template:User antiuserboxdeletion (result kept deleted)
• Template:User Darwinist(result kept deleted)
• User:UBX/Communist (result kept deleted)
• Template:User No Marxism (result kept deleted)
• Template:User infidel undeleted.
• Template:User Sock Puppet and Template:User Puppet Master ... it's complicated discussion
• Template:User against Saud (result almost unanimous keep deleted)
• Template:User_Unamerican and others (result nomination delisted early; template kept deleted)
• Template:User transhumanist and Template:User anti-transhumanist (result kept deleted)
• Template:User boylover and Template:User girllover (result kept deleted).
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Userboxes/Alerts (result kept deleted)
• Template:User admins ignoring policy (result kept deleted)
• Template:User Unamerican and others (result kept deleted)
• Template:User vomit (result kept deleted)
• Template:User Objectivism / Template:User No Objectivism (result: both kept deleted)
• Template:User_Thermostat_Bicker (Archive#Template:User_Thermostat_Bicker: undeleted and relisted on TfD)
• Template:User marriage man-woman (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User Same Sex Marriage (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User independent Iraq (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User antiparty (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User review (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User Copyright Nazi (result: kept deleted)
• User:nathanrdotcom/Userboxes/ABF (result: undeleted)
• Template: User evol-X (result: kept deleted)
• Template: User feminist (result: undeleted)
• Template:User userbox insurgent (result: nomination delisted early without explanation; template kept deleted)
• Template:User userbox revolution (result: nomination delisted early without explanation; template kept deleted)
• Template:User marriage man-woman (result: no majority to endorse deletion, no supermajority to overturn; I'm re-creating and taking it to TFD)
• Template:User opposes ubx screwing (result: kept deleted as protected page)
• Template:User USA Police State (result)
• Template:User No Meat (result: recreated as redirect)
• George W. Bush templates
• Pseudo-templates Userbox:Anti ACLU, Userbox:Anti UN (result)

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• Can someone please temporarily undelete Badger Badger Badger Parodies as I intend to place it on adhocipedia (see my userpage). CMIIW 19:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Who are you? Please sign your post with ~~~~. Rossami (talk)
• I will be very grateful if a kind administrator posted the contents of the deleted userboxes Drug-free, atheist, evolution2, evol-N and antiuserboxdeletion at a subpage of my userbox for userification. By moving them to the userspace, T1/T2 won't apply. Thanks. Loom91 08:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • No one will help me? Loom91 08:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
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  • Hmm... that was one of the few school articles I have voted to delete, and I am almost inclined to call the speedy deletion as a valid application of A3. Nonetheless, a history only undeletion isn't harmful so I have done so. Please make some real expansions to the article before "articleizing" this redirect. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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26 May 2006

25 May 2006

List of Michael Savage neologisms

The AfD discussion can be found at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Michael Savage neologisms (second nomination).

• UnDelete - list :offers insight into controversial cultural icon, unique extensive jargon reference

Its never been deleted... RN 23:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

It has, he just linked to the wrong article in the heading. I've fixed it. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. AfD was closed quite properly, and a look at the article shows nothing that would be missed from Misplaced Pages. If you'd like to take the content and host it on your own website, I'd be happy to provide it to you. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• endorse closure - keep deleted. This was a valid afd with a 100% consensus that there shouldn't be an article on Misplaced Pages (there were votes to transwiki to Wikiquote, 10 votes to delete and one unsigned comment by an anon that didn't express an opinion about the article). Thryduulf 23:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure but not the actual AfD result. Valid AfD here, but I wouldn't have put "no consensus, leaning towards delete" as the result in the AfD. After discounting the invalid votes, this was definitely a consensus towards delete. A "no consensus" means that the article is kept, not deleted. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC), valid AfD (changed my comments now that RasputinAXP provided a link to the most recent AfD). --Deathphoenix ʕ 03:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• AfD isn't a vote ... fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 00:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, as an AfD closer, I'm aware of that. As I've noted somewhere else, while AfD isn't a vote, and each entry in an AfD is a comment, I choose to name any comment which calls for an action (such as comments that start with Keep, Merge, Redirect, or Delete) a "Vote" for convenience and to differentiate it from an actual comment which doesn't call for an action (such as comments that have no heading, or start with Comment). If you would prefer that I use a different noun, I can call it an iVote, nVote, !Vote, notVote, or something like that. :-) --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted: List of neologisms from a single person? That's a tribute page, a fan page, or an attack page, and it's not an encyclopedia article. Geogre 02:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: as the closer of the most recent AfD on this article, it was a pretty clear Delete.  RasputinAXP  c 03:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I changed my comments to reflect that. I had to look for the AfD manually, but didn't think to look for the second nom. --Deathphoenix ʕ 03:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, keep deleted The closure and deletion was proper, and valid reasons for deletion were expressed in the first and second AfDs and here above, while no reasons expressed for keeping it had any weight to them. (Even if the article were deemed to be proper for WP, it had many problems I had identified in the 1st AfD the maintainers of the page were apparently unwilling to address.) Шизомби 04:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Philip Sandifer

full deletion log (OMG WHEELWAR)

Adam Bishop deleted "Philip Sandifer" (give me a fucking break)

This was a sourced article expanded by editors such as Brenneman and SlimVirgin. The deletion was done for what appear to be emotional rather than legitimate reasons. --SPUI (T - C) 22:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Violation of WP:AUTO, he has had 1 news story, albeit a big one, but not enough to warrant an article. The story itself is more relevant to Misplaced Pages Review than to Snowspinner, because that is where the article started. No point choosing to favour Misplaced Pages admins just because this is Misplaced Pages. The more notable web site should be listed. This needs to stay deleted. 203.122.203.145 22:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it's a violation of WP:AUTO ("I do not consider myself notable, to be clear" doesn't strike me as someone to write an article about himself). --Rory096 22:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think I'm pretty solidly borderline notable, between academic work and the Pulp Decameron story. I trust y'all to keep the article from being libelous, and since I already have a talk page and a user page, it's not like deleting it removes targets for vandals. So please, don't delete the article for reasons having to do with protecting me. On the other hand, if you don't think I'm notable enough, whack it.

Though I don't think I'm a speedy candidate. :) Phil Sandifer 23:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Another note: I do hope, if this article survives, that someone will actually add mention of my publications and academic career, which, while minor, is a hell of a lot more notable and enduring than Boing Boing. Phil Sandifer 00:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted, tactical and legal reasons, good lord! Suggest we close this DRV asap. Kim Bruning 22:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

What "tactical and legal reasons" are those? --SPUI (T - C) 22:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted - No offense to Phil, but one major story isn't enough to make someone notable unless it's a really major story. --Cyde↔Weys 22:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm neutral in this debate, but what defines a major news story and a really major news story? Would being involved in a government scandal be a major story, and doing WTC a really major story? —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 22:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I would say yes, though it depends on the magnitude of the scandal. Harry Whittington is notable, but Phil, not so much. --Rory096 22:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep it deleted, obviously. I can only assume Brenneman and SlimVirgin created this specifically so it could be deleted and fought out on Deletion Review. It's ridiculous. Adam Bishop 22:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • That's not really AGFing. --Rory096 22:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Theoretically it shouldn't deter anyone, but the AFD for this is bound to be one of the most worst ever... RN 22:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. Seriously, this guy isn't particularly notable, except for being mentioned recently in a few blogs and minor media outlets. --72.160.71.156 22:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • IP's only edit ever. --Rory096 22:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • People may be "afraid" of other admins' or arbcommers' insistence on keeping it, and prefer to edit thus. Demi /_C 22:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. Phil doesn't need an article, except possibly as something for the Misplaced Pages Review trolls to sit and gloat over. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 22:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Two of your "Misplaced Pages Review trolls" have posted on this page and think it should be kept deleted. Of course, Zordrac and myself don't speak for everyone and their diverse opinions, but it should be noted that not all of us would like to "sit and gloat over" an article on Phil. --72.160.71.156 23:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Indeed? I'm pleased to hear that. Could Misplaced Pages Review's collective consciousness be developing a collective conscience? Or are you just muddying the waters, and not really ashamed of yourselves at all? fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted – Not sufficiently notable, if he wasn't a Wikipedian he would never have had an article in the first place – Gurch 22:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Changed to Strong undelete – following discussion with Kim Bruning – Gurch 23:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep deleted. I'd vote to delete at an AfD no question -- the news item isn't very notable -- but the arguments for speedying this are a bit fuzzy to me. I've seen two one: a IAR appeal that the AfD would be massively disruptive. , and Kim Bruning's cryptic legal, ethical, and moral claims. I weakly agree with IAR here to avoid disruption and troll feeding. I have to admit I join those who don't currently understand Kim's point at all. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Undelete, after talking with slimvirgin. :-) Kim Bruning 23:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete. I don't think this was speediable. I also think this doesn't have to be disruptive if we don't make it disruptive. If it goes to AfD, I hope everyone will be conscious of the potential for insult inherent in arguing a person's notability—but then, as Phil and others have pointed out, we should always be conscious of that. Finally, I note that if this contains information which is of concern to the subject of the article as being libelous or otherwise harmful, he can (as always) contact the foundation and they can intervene; I don't think we should be trying to do our own version of WP:OFFICE because we guess there could be such a problem. In short, we should handle this like any other article, and crack down firmly on those who don't. -- SCZenz 23:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete. From what I hear, it was well-sourced, and even if it's a minor one-time news story, that's good enough for me. Of course, my standards of notability are very low, but well-sourced articles about nonnotable things certainly aren't going to hurt Misplaced Pages. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 23:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete. The page was not an attack page, and this seems like it can become a major news story, especially after the latest developments. There's an assertion of notability too... not entirely sure it should go through AFD, but it shouldn't have been speedied. Titoxd 23:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  Don't let it go to AfD, that'd be a disaster. Kim Bruning 00:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Request: for the benefit of the non-admins (who can't read deleted pages) and the not-sufficiently-clued (who aren't reading the Misplaced Pages equivalent of Page 6), could someone point to some page that will give the slightest clue what the frak is going on, or would someone at least cough up an executive summary? --Calton | Talk 23:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Okay. (I stand ready to be corrected on details at any time, mark you). Phil Sandifer is a minor (very minor; about as minor as you can be without carrying a pickaxe and canary) academic who has been known to write gory stories about what it's like to be a stalker and/or murderer. Misplaced Pages Review, who hate Phil in his guise as Snowspinner, Admin of Death, discovered his works of fiction and decided that a 'phone call to the cops might be in order, just to see if they could be duped into harrassing him. It worked. The 'blog Boing Boing wrote a story about how dumb it all was. Then someone mused "hey, maybe this makes Fat Phil notable enough for an article" and, lo! There was an article! And we wonder why Adam speedied it ... fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 23:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • That's basically what happened, from what I understand. Philip Sandifer is User:Phil Sandifer (formerly User:Snowspinner), a fairly prominent Wikipedian admin. Google News has two hits, Yahoo! has only one of those. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 00:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• (This is probably only 50% accurate :)) Basically a article about the guy was started by a non-involved user, Aaron was going to prod it but then decided not to, then SlimVirgin came in and made a boatload of edits bringing it up to semi-decent quality (but still on the very edge of notability - I think http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=wikien-l&m=114838411432481&w=2 sums up a good part of it). Then it was deleted and restored by like six seperate admins, and brought here somewhere in the middle of that. I have no idea what discussion Kim Bruning is referring to with SlimVirgin though - I'm assuming it is on IRC or E-Mail. That's about all I can think of without undeleting it. RN 00:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted is my first choice, Undelete and list on AfD is my second choice, I'd probably vote delete in the AfD, but I don't think the page as it stood was a CSD A6 (attack page), and I don't think it's so obviously a CSD A7 (non-notable person) because the page was sourced. It takes an AfD to determine whether the sources are good enough, not a speedy delete. --Deathphoenix ʕ 23:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Please let's not start a forestfire over this. My only concern is not to start a forestfire. Kim Bruning 00:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Given your opinion (which I trust), I've changed my vote to make a note that I prefer to keep this article deleted. If the consensus is insufficient for this article to be deleted, it should definitely be AfDed rather than unilaterally kept without an AfD. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Why AfD at all? Kim Bruning 01:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
        • So people can make an informed decision? I know, group decision-making -- it's a crazy idea, but it just might work! --Calton | Talk 01:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
          • In this case AfD starts a forestfire, so definate not-a-good-idea this time. Kim Bruning 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
            • If this is undeleted, I assure you that I will nominate it for deletion, as I would with any article of this (supposedly) "borderline" type, and I am sure I would not be alone in supporting that AfD. If you really mean what you say above, Kim, your first instinct was correct. Xoloz 03:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete (and keep undeleted) -- the unilateral deletions are becoming tiresome; if you contest the notability of any subject, you can propose it for deletion and wait a week, or bring it straight to AFD. Silensor 00:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  Not afd. If the choice is between keep deleted or take to AFD, then keep deleted please. A ForestFire would be bad. Kim Bruning 00:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted Being an English grad student who has a minor run-in with some confused, over-active cops does not make one notable -- nor do I really think its an assertion of notability sufficient to overcome A7. If "I'm a grad student" isn't an assertion of notability (and it isn't, per the policy's text), then I don't think "I'm a grad student mentioned in a local paper" does either. Xoloz 00:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted obviously. I'm not sure which of my "tiresome" unilateral deletions Silensor's referring to, nor why he or she would describe the actions of three admins and the assent of more as "unilateral", but the subject is a lightning rod for abuse from more than one quarter; any AFD is likely to be cursed by contention, and a "keep" isn't a reasonable result. There's no way a reader cares about this--the average professor is more notable, and the "average professor test" has long been in use for biographical notability--and the only reason we seem to care is that he's well known among us as an admin, and among the Misplaced Pages Review crowd as a totalitarian of some kind. In conversation with Kim Bruning, who has related to me SlimVirgin's "secret reasons" for keeping the article, I can assure you that they are in the vein of using Misplaced Pages as a soapbox, "getting the word out" about something which otherwise fewer people would read, and this is not Misplaced Pages's purpose. I'm a fan of doing things the proper, procedural way--you will never hear me shout "Process?! Oh no!" as if it's some kind of inherent evil--but we don't read our policies or procedures as a legal code, and it is occasionally incumbent upon us to do the right thing for the encyclopedia in exceptional circumstances, whatever the letter of the process is. Demi /_C 00:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  No, the reasons to keep from SV were that the article was notable and referenced, as per wikipedia content policies. "Secret reasons" for better words (ick) were used to convince me that it may not harm Snowspinner to have this article around. Kim Bruning 01:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  I mean the reasons that hadn't already been stated. Demi /_C 01:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  Fair enough :-) Kim Bruning 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted, Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages Review navel gazing is not notable. User:Zoe| 02:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted: I see nothing but A7 here. The web emphasizing the importance of a web performer is vanity of vanities, and vanity about something that disappears when the power goes out, to boot. I know that Snowspinner didn't write the article and wants it deleted, but it's still taking the form of a vanity piece to overcome the 'claim of notability' bar. It can only make the claim by arguing that what happens on the web has some actuality to it, some importance to it, or by making the similarly huge assumption that being alledged of a crime or offense is, in fact, a major event. Tens of thousands are accused every day. If he's convicted or kicked out, then we'll be somewhere. Until then, he's just someone studying the faddish "comics" field (Jane Tomkins would be pleased). Geogre 02:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • It sort of helps that Corey Doctorow wrote about it though. Kim Bruning 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment FYI, it appears that WikiTruth is picking this up, so forest fires may be unavoidable. --Maxamegalon2000 03:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted Xoloz, amongst others, properly appreciates that, even if we are sure that Phil (or this incident in particular) is non-notable, we ought to undelete and list at AfD if we can perceive an assertion of notability in the initial article. A7, of course, still permits us some discretion, and I'm inclined to believe that the article (or any possible apropos of Phil or the incident) failed to make even an assertion of notability; were I new page patrolling, I'd likely not have tagged the page for speedy, and were I an admin, I'd likely not have speedied, but I certainly think a contention that the article did not assert the notability of the subject can be understood to be reasonable. In cases where a question entails as to whether an article even has asserted notability, we can likely see controversy, for which the full debate of an AfD is appropriate; here, though, WP:SNOWBALL (through WP:IAR) should be dispositive. It is certain that the result of an AfD would be delete (even as one might oppose that result, he/she must concede that such result is inevitable), and so it is altogether fine that we should keep the article deleted (we needn't to worry about precedent, I think, in view of WP:NBD). I'd really like to redirect to Overzealous local law enforcement officials who fail to understand such concepts as free speech and fiction and ought to be sued pursuant to 42 U.S.C. §1983, but apparently we don't have such an article. Joe 04:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Superhorse

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Superhorse

I would respectfully request that another look be taken at this article. I have added more supporting evidence since the AFD started and I am not sure whether or not it was taken into consideration. This is my first article and I think that a little construtive criticism wouldn't hurt and would help me right write articles in the future.

Quite frankly my first experience was a bit nerve wrecking and I feel that I have learned little and am unsure if I am capable of at least starting an article that would be acceptable to Misplaced Pages' standards. Thanks for all your help and I look forward to a fair and ubiased discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meanax (talk • contribs)

• Comment FWIW, the deleted article can be viewed at a Google cache. Fan1967 21:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: As the closing admin, I'd like to say that I would have liked to be informed about this DRV (please take a look at {{DRVNote}}). Now, to the AfD itself. First of all, it wasn't easy, sifting through the extremely long comments by all the new users (likely sockpuppets or meatpuppets). Next, after discounting those invalid votes, on a strict vote count, I counted four deletes and one keep, with the one keep being by the original author. The delete votes took into account the evidence you were presenting, and they still decided that the subject wasn't notable enough to be included. If this article is kept deleted, it's okay, it's not easy sometimes figuring out what's notable and what's not. It might be easiest for you to find a small music-related articles and expand those instead. Misplaced Pages could use some expansion of articles. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Exicornt

Exicornt is a slang term (or neologism) train buffs use to describe a train track junction that resembles the formation of the letter X. Six months ago, I created an article on this term. However, it ended up getting deleted and renamed to crossover (rail). Several attempts have been made by other editors (not me) to include this word on the article.

I understand that some editors object to having to word mentioned on Misplaced Pages. However, I would like to dispel one user's statement that mentioning exicornt on the article is considered vandalism. Therefore, I am writing to request that Exicornt (which is now a Junk Page) ) be deleted and redirected to crossover (rail)

I am requesting this because I noticed a recent edit war on the crossover (rail) page itself. I fear some editors might accusing me of being a so-called "sockpuppet" as a result.

Though I am prepared to take any criticism, I feel posting the word here for review is a proper course of action to take in light of the recent controversy. Edit warring isn't the answer to solving this problem. -- Eddie, Thursday May 25 2006 at 14:01 14:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. The AFD was completely legit, apart from Eddie's attempts to make it go away. Edit warring doesn't change the reasons why "exicornt" was deleted. No need to create a redirect that would legitimate this word that is used only by a small (perhaps very small) local group. FreplySpang 14:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. I don't see that anything has changed since the AfD result, which was exactly correct. Google still shows no uses of this that aren't Misplaced Pages or Wiktionary-related. · rodii · 14:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

keep deleted I am a railfan, I've been a model railroader since the early 1980s, I helped build the Wisconsin Central project layout for Model Railroader Magazine (article series published in 1997), I'm the lead editor on Portal:Trains and I'm model contest co-chairman and a Director-At-Large for the Midwest Region of the National Model Railroad Association. I hadn't heard of this term before it popped up last November; I've only heard that track configuration referred to as a crossover. Slambo (Speak) 14:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted/NO redirect. Eddie, "exicornt" isn't "a slang term (or neologism) train buffs use", it's a term you made up yourself. This explains the recent edit warring over blanking its AFD -- it's either a crude attempt to hide the background (with its rampant sockpuppetry and vigorously unverified claims) and/or do some SEO cleansing. (I recommend reading the AfD discussion. It is...enlightening.

And by the way, the only reason I stumbled over the recent AfD edit warring was following the shenanigans of some sockpuppetry over the AFD of a made-up New Jersey baseball team, and those sockpuppets seemed interested in the old AFD. You wouldn't know about that, would you, Eddie? --Calton | Talk 14:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep deleted. Obviously. But let me note that unless if anyone has good evidence the the contrary, it may be reasonable to imagine that the recent rash of vandalism is by an impersonator, not Eddie himself. I certainly don't have a way to tell. However, the fact that Eddie still doesn't "get it" about "Exicornt" and has used this opportunity to open this silly DRV doesn't seem very reassuring. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't find it reasonable, given his history of rampant sockpuppetry and unceasing attempts to get attention for his made-up word.

And speaking of possible sockpuppetry, I notice that a week ago that someone named Dnd293 (talk · contribs) created redirects to Crossover (rail) at Exicornts and Exicornt. -- which were the user's only edits. You wouldn't know about that, would you, Eddie? --Calton | Talk 15:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for finding those. And of course there's a good chance you're right. But Eddie edited in seeming good faith for a good number of months after he ceased the suckpuppetry and exicornting, so maybe I'm AGFing a little hard here in a spirit of optimism. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted I remember the MfD for Eddie's userpage version of exicornt, where his submitted "source" was a hand-drawn, sloppy diagram of same. I don't see any new sources that would lead to a reevalution here. Xoloz 15:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted as per everyone above. 'Nuff said. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, no compelling reason to overturn previous AFD, nor any new evidence to invalidate it. Titoxd 02:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lock-icon.jpg

Speedy deletion in violation of the quoted WP:CSD "I1" (redundant): A JPEG is clearly not in the same format as an SVG, not only my browser knows this (unfortunately). The icon was in use for several weeks on almost all template talk pages using {{Protection templates}} after somebody proposed it on one of these pages as general "protected" icon. I tested it because visible is better than broken from my POV on Protection templates for about a month - there were no objections. Therefore I added it to the (few) unprotected protection templates (excl. the semi-protection templates, where a lock icon makes no much sense) today. The edit history clearly stated "working with more browsers". -- Omniplex 05:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• mages cannot be restored. Please re-upload it and continue to discuss the issue of what image should be used.--Sean Black 05:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do you have a copy of the image? It's not possible to undelete images, so unless you have a copy somewhere that you can upload if the DRV passes, it won't really help to list it here... Essjay (Talk • Connect) 05:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • No, I only saw it on Template talk:Vprotected - most Misplaced Pages icons don't work with my browser, it's too old for inline PNG. Therefore I won'tb miss the few exceptions like wikipedia_minilogo.gif or this JPG. I can transform PNG to say GIF and upload that. If the result is smaller (in bytes) without untolerable losses, otherwise that would be a stupid strategy. -- Omniplex 07:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • What are you using, Mosaic? Even Netscape 4.5 could handle inline PNG images. --Carnildo 09:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete Reupload This truely puzzles me. I assume no bad faith on Borg Hunter's part, but I really don't have a clue how this happened =) Someone enlighten me =P --mboverload@ 07:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Um, it can't be undeleted, as admins don't have the technical ability to undelete images. Perhaps it might be cached by Google, but I doubt it. Titoxd 07:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Why don't you understand? It is the same thing as Image:Padlock.svg. —BorgHunter (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Google's cache is here. Hurry, it'll be gone soon. --Rory096 08:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• I re-uploaded a new copy. Thankfully, I had it saved! --Sunfazer |Talk 09:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Re-delete What is the big deal? Citing CSD#1 was technicaly wrong, but {{redundant}} and {{BadJPEG}} images are deleted all the time when they are no longer used and replaced by a better version. Misplaced Pages policy is to replace lineart like this with SVG or PNG versions whenever possible. To quote the Format section of Misplaced Pages:Image use policy "Drawings, icons, political maps, flags and other such images are preferably uploaded in SVG format as vector images. Images with large, simple, and continuous blocks of color which are not available as SVG should be in PNG format.". Getting rid of this is entierly within policy. I urge everyone with old browsers that doesn't handle PNG's at all to upgrade or switch browser ASAP. --Sherool (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Just a minor addition, I do agree that this one should have been sent to IFD since it's "replacement" was not the same image in a different format and all that, that would have avoided some confution. However it would most scertainly have ended up getting deleted anyway wich is why I don't think it's a huge deal. By the way unless someone gets around to actualy adding some source info to this image it will get deleted again in 7 days regardles of the outcome of this debate. --Sherool (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, and re-delete per above. Ral315 (talk) 11:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Re-delete per Sherool. Dr Zak 14:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

24 May 2006

Why you deleted the 16 May article about Major Power undeletion?

You people at wikipedia seem to have a probelm with all the things I write. You keep delting them. I think I was opening a big and fair debate about the Major Power article undeletion, but then you deleted what I wrote as you have deleted the article Major Power. I would like to know if I will do changes in the articles(for better, of course) or undeleting some articles I think were fine, what you will do.You people don't want valuable contributes, you want the articles to say only whatyou and some users think it's true. That is not the way, because sooner or latter, you will lost credibility.

ACamposPinho 24 May 2006

• The earlier debate was not "deleted", just closed. The decision was to endorse the redirect/status quo. Your nomination for reconsideration failed. See the Recently Closed section at the bottom of this page. Xoloz 22:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

23 May 2006

College Confidential

VfD, delete log

Its VfD was in August of 2005 and is no longer really relevant, as its 4500 Alexa ranking shows. Also, it clearly falls under the exception to G4 "ensure that the material is substantially identical, and not merely a new article on the same subject," which this was. I suggest listing on AfD. --Rory096 07:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Overturn and list on AfD. A 9-month-old VfD with only five participants ought to be reinforced, especially if new evidence for notability is claimed. Also note Rory's cite of the G4 exception, which is often ignored (or missed). Also note that repeated recreations can be considered evidence of notability (can't find the cite for that in WP's guidelines, though). Powers 13:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse continued deletion unless new evidence of notability is presented. Per WP:WEB, Alexa rank is not evidence of notability. --Sam Blanning 17:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Gnews also has some hits, but they're all borderline trivial mentions. --Rory096 20:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak endorse but open to new AfD listing. I know of this site; I've used it before and found it very helpful. However, the content does not inspire much confidence in the article's potential, and as the others say, Alexa rank isn't a strong notability indicator. (Although IMO it still ought to count for something.) Still, I'm open to an AfD listing because I think we'd benefit either way. Still, there's no real hurt to the encyclopaedia if this remains deleted; it's a one-sentence stub. Johnleemk | Talk 18:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Ghits aren't too bad either. --Rory096 22:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Undelete and relist on AfD, but I do endorse the original deletion. The person bringing this up on AfD has presented some new evidence that could merit this article's inclusion in Misplaced Pages. An AfD is a good way to deletermin if it's more notable now than it was last August. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Naismith Family

This article was deleted through WP:PROD, but substantial objections were raised at Talk:Naismith Family. This is not an aspersion on the deleting admin, who probably didn't notice the talk page (the prod tag was never removed), but the prod was contested and I think it should be reviewed. My own vote would be to list it at AfD, or possibly just to merge it into James Naismith. Chick Bowen 04:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Restored as contested proposed deletion. Nothing more to see here, move along. --Sam Blanning 11:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • That said, I'm going to list it on WP:AFD for a full discussion, as it still looks like an unsourced neologism. --Sam Blanning 11:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Tim Dingle

AfD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tim Dingle

The deletion vote for this article appears to have been initially judged based on the belief that is was a smear campaign. Later in the vote the story was confirmed to have appeared in the news, but the delete argument was then based on lack of notability under WP:BIO. However, WP:BIO specifically includes people who have become known through their involvement in a notorious event. As the subject was clearly in the news for notorious acts, it seems that it would fall into this category and thereby satisfy WP:BIO. Reconsider. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 23:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted. I'm unclear on why this is being brought up again now. Some people at the time set up a website TimDingle.com, which has been kept updated, if you want a summary of the story. At the time, the story was: headmaster accused in drug case. Now the story is: headmaster accused in drug case, charges later dropped. From what I can tell from googling (could be incomplete) it seems this was a local scandal, which certainly was not a big national news story, and I don't see that it's a big enough story to meet notability standards. Fan1967 00:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Note Interesting that TimDingle.com seems to feel the need to include Misplaced Pages in their coverage. There is a page that seems to have the story as it was before deletion (based on my vague recollection of it), as well as a link to the school's article, Royal Grammar School, High Wycombe, which has a lengthy section on the incident. Fan1967 01:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted. I can remember the news story, but after the initial five minutes of infamy it only received mention in a local context (I live in Buckinghamshire). This guy is still just a headteacher who got the chop, and there are plenty of those around. -- Francs2000 01:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted There's a pretty clear precedent that school headmasters/principals aren't notable enough for articles themselves, and a bit of scandal in the local press isn't enough to change that. There's already a full paragraph about it in Royal Grammar School, High Wycombe. I wouldn't object to redirecting Tim Dingle there, I guess. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, the later votes considered the news, and they were still all in favour of deletion. --Deathphoenix ʕ 00:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Abstract People

Why, why, why is the Abstract People article being deleted? Abstract People were one of the biggest metal acts in Ireland in the 90's!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by AbstractPeople (talk • contribs) .

• Because they don't exist, thats why. Quite simple really - fictional bands don't get entries on the Misplaced Pages. --Kiand 22:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • But they can always have a fictional entry! Just close your eyes, and wish upon a star... and you can read their entry, deep inside your heart! :) --Ashenai 22:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
    • You're hilarious....NOT. Ya stupid FOOLS! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AbstractPeople (talk • contribs) .
• I went ahead and speedied the article as a G4 and the bogus AfD page as useless. -GTBacchus 22:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion Bad faith DRV. OhNoitsJamie 22:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion Totally agree with redeleting as G4, bad-faith nom. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• The page is now protected against recreation, and I've blocked the author after he created it a fourth time. Chick Bowen 22:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• The original speedy-deletion was as a "hoax". As we have discussed often before, being a hoax is explicitly not a speedy-deletion criterion. As individuals, we are notoriously poor at sorting the hoaxes from the real though poorly written articles on obscure topics. The subsequent re-deletions were based on the incorrect assumption that the first speedy-deletion was appropriate.
  Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. Like the participants above, I can find no evidence that this band really exists. I can not endorse the speedy-deletion but neither will I argue to overturn it without some evidence of existence. Rossami (talk) 23:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  Rossami, I think you're right. It would have been better if I'd taken it to AfD instead of re-speedying it. There's no point restoring it now (unless evidence comes along), but I'll keep in mind to be more careful with G4s. Thanks for the reminder. -GTBacchus 01:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse status quo - Metamagician3000 00:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC).
• Endorse deletion(s) unless evidence of verifiable existence appears. -GTBacchus 01:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion - obvious hoax, personal abuse from the author shows lack of good faith. Demiurge 08:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion We can't take chances on hoaxes or unverifiable material. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Some remarks. As has been pointed out, this is an incorrect application of G4: that criterion was rewritten last year with just this sort of thing in mind, and it was hoped that it made clear that this kind of action is inappropriate. Just a gentle reminder.:-) As to the comment on the nominator, his crude remarks indicate rudeness and incivility; they do not mean that he is acting in bad faith. Do be careful when questioning the intentions of editors. —Encephalon 11:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion As an Irish rock fan, living in Ireland, I think I'd have heard of 'one of the biggest metal bands in Ireland' - and I haven't. Bastun 16:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian views of Hanukkah

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Christian views of Hanukkah

Congratulations! After a brief discussion (that I just noticed today), with a result 12d:4k:2m, they deleted the {{see also}} for the section Hanukkah#Interaction with other traditions. Was the article unsalvageable? Or the deletors simply ignorant? Now, I'm not sure of the state of the current article (could somebody please undelete for review), as I haven't looked at it since last Hannukah. But this isn't usually considered "Original Research" to document religious practices (editors aren't making up their own), and it affects a lot of folks in my neck of the woods where mixed-faith families are common. Yet, I doubt we really want to make the already long Hannukkah article even longer.... A nice short separate article would be best.

• Undelete and fix any problems, as many (5) of the AfD commentors requested. --William Allen Simpson 15:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. Concerns of those voting delete seem well-thought-out and valid. The article does a poor job of covering this notable issue, and has no sources. I'd say a sourced rewrite from scratch would be best. (I have history-undeleted for review.) -- SCZenz 16:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. As I am the admin who deleted the article, I will not "vote" here, but I will explain my decision. Firstly, and probably most importantly, there was a clear consensus to delete this article as it stood. Secondly, I felt that the delete votes were better informed by our policies than the keep votes were. I myself am Jewish, and am fully aware of the issues involved in this subject; however, I too felt that the article as it stood controvened WP:OR, therefore I saw no reason to go against the majority of votes. My deletion of the article does not mean that the subject is either non-encyclopaedic or unwelcome, but that the article as it stood was in contravention of our policies (a matter which numerous editors agreed upon). An article on this subject must be sourced in detail as the Christian view of Hanukkah is far from universal. Rje 17:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment -- thank you for making it available for review, the article is only a paragraph longer than it was last time I looked at it. IZAK (Jewish) wrote most of it, so I'll prod him. I've no idea what needs "sourcing" as most of it seems to be actual quotes from religious texts. Most of it I've heard in sermons from time to time on the Christian upbringing side, so there might be seminary material somewhere, but I'm long since lapsed and have nobody to ask. Believe me, there's nothing original to somebody raised 5 days a week North American Baptist (with Jewish relatives by marriage). --William Allen Simpson 17:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  I, along with those who voted to delete the article, am not suggesting that IZAK made up the conent of this article. The problem is that the views expressed in the article are not universal, they are those of certain individuals (I am unaware of any Christian denomination having a specific policy towards the religious festivals of other faiths). This being the case, the article absolutely must be sourced (this is made clear at WP:OR). Like I said earlier, I don't think anybody is disputing that some Christians observe Hanukkah; the problem is that it is such a minority, combined with the fact that there is no standard way in which they perform their observations, that it is necessary for this article to contain sources for it to conform with Misplaced Pages's established policies. Rje 18:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  Sorry that you're not familiar with a significant number of denominations here in the American Heartland. Merely millions of people is a "minority" when compared to Roman Catholicism.... Anyway, the only contribution I made at the time was to merge 2 similar articles, and that's how it ended up on my watchlist. While I had an important legal brief due last Thursday, I rarely check the watchlist more than once a week anyway. Now, I've done a simple Google, and among the 847,000 results, there are several that outrank even Misplaced Pages! They are eternalperspectives.com, biblestudy.org, and thetribulationforce.com, all "evangelical" or "messianic", just as the article says! Like I mentioned earlier, some seminarian probably has it printed in a book somewhere, but I'm not the person to ask. Looks like User:Bill Thayer is correct about the future viability of wikipedia.... --William Allen Simpson 19:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• IZAK's response: Hi everyone: Right off the bat let me make it very clear that I did not write this article (it's actually a stub). This material was mostly first added in 2004 by User:Chad A. Woodburn -- please contact him, his user page says he is a Christian pastor and he seems to still be active. I have not tracked it, but you guys have now forced me to look up its history, so here goes: After User:Chad A. Woodburn put it into the Hanukkah article it developed as something of a composite from a few subsequent editors, (examples:)  ;  ; (there are more). When I was editing the main article about the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, rather than deleting this information which was causing constant friction between the Jewish and non-Jewish contributors I opted to move it into a more appropriate article in existence at that time called Evangelical Christian views of Hanukkah (interestingly, User:Chad A. Woodburn, the author seems to fit into that stream judging by what he writes about himself) which was then renamed in another move by User:William Allen Simpson where it got its new name of Christian views of Hanukkah. So that is why there is some confusion, also see the article's history page. Note that this issue of sources was also raised by User:TheRingess. Thus I hope I have clarified the questions you have here. Take care. IZAK 19:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • P.S. By the way, I vote Undelete, as I had no idea about its present fate. It deserves an article of its own. IZAK 19:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

    Thank you, IZAK, for taking the time! --William Allen Simpson 19:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It may deserve an article on its own (that's my opinion, others may differ), but what was there was completely unreferenced. At least Hanukkah bush has ample footnotes. Cheers! Dr Zak 15:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: A cautionary tale -- in the AfD, somebody thought this was a copyvio. As the history revealed by IZAK shows, the cited page is actually a copy of wikipedia from several months later than the original section! --William Allen Simpson 19:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Look guys, I know this is an emotive subject, I really do, but the purpose of this process is not to challenge the outcome of the AfD debate. That debate has been concluded, the purpose of this page, as is clearly stated in the introduction, is to challenge my interpretation of that outcome. Without wishing to appear rude, it is not relevent to this discussion what your oppinion of the article was, or whether you missed the debate or not. What is relevent is whether you think a) I misjudged the consensus to delete, or b) that, if there was such a consensus, that the votes were not valid. I am sorry if I appear a little hot-headed about this, but the existence of this debate suggests quite a serious error on my part. Rje 19:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The votes were not valid. 3 cite a copyvio that did not exist. The nominator and several others call it original research. 4 call it "funny" and a "fork". And the most offensive:

    The "Christian" view of Hanukkah is like the "Dutch" view of Mount Kilimanjaro: not something to have an article about.

    --William Allen Simpson 20:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

    • Even discounting the copyvio votes, there was a consensus to delete. As I have already stated the article failed our criteria for original research. While I agree that term may not be strictly accurate here, and this may be causing some confusion, if you read to policy page you will realise that the article wa in violation - hence the votes for deletion. Rje 20:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion Legitimate Afd with a clear consensus. OhNoitsJamie 20:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. Original consensus was clear. Chick Bowen 21:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. Cut-and-dry AfD. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Although my vote was the first that mentioned a copyvio, it is important to also note that my main reason was that the article contained original research. Kevin 23:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, consensus was obvious. Dr Zak 12:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion. The WP:NOR argument, raised by the nominator and most of the other people in favour of deletion, was never rebutted by anyone arguing that it should be kept. The person who tried to say it wasn't OR failed to point to any sources, which is odd given that he claims to be studying the subject area. --bainer (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion - consensus was clear and there were no special circumstances. Metamagician3000 05:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Claught of a bird Dairy Products

I made an article on this famous store on Manitoulin Island. Claught of a bird is indeed an actual person, and he does indeed own that store. I demand that it is un-deleted, for it has good information on one of Manitoulins most popular stores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AppleJuicefromConcentrate (talk • contribs) .

• Endorse deletion, even if there were sources it would still be non notable. --Rory096 22:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion, there were no sources...non-notable and unverified. -- Scientizzle 22:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Various spellings of this article title have been made--each with the same content--and deleted. Articles were created by AppleJuicefromConcentrate and his (painfully obvious) sock puppet, Motorox. -- Scientizzle 23:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

LIP6

LIP6 is one of the two largest computer science laboratories in France, with researchers participating at the highest levels (program committees of international conferences, editorial boards of scholarly journals) across a wide variety of computer science disciplines. It is the computer science research arm of Pierre and Marie Curie University (UPMC), the largest science, technology, and medicine university in France, and the highest ranked French university in the University of Shanghai international research ranking. As the researchers also make up the teaching faculty in Computer Science at UPMC, it is, with over 100 faculty, one of the largest Computer Science departments in the world. It is hard to understand how such an institution could not be notable. The copyvio concerns are mitigated by the fact that the contribution came from the copyright holder (the lab) itself. The lab administrators were not contacted, as they should have been following Misplaced Pages's deletion policy, to see if this would be a problem. The answer would have been that the copyright problem is not a problem, and the needed permissions for use of the text and images can be granted. Furthermore, it is not a commercial promotion. It is true, clearly that the style and content must be modified so that it conforms to Misplaced Pages's style considerations and NPOV. However, the material provided should serve as a good basis for this, and the original authors are happy to work as part of the Misplaced Pages community in making the necessary edits. A rewrite is called for, but we do not understand the speedy deletion decision. -- 17:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Rewrite The topic seems to be notable, but Misplaced Pages does not want articles which are merely copy-and-paste jobs from official websites, even if they aren't technically copyvios. We also prefer that articles not be written by their subjects or anyone closely connected with the subject. If anyone cares to write a real article, it would probably stay. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Based on the evidence available at the time, I would also have deleted this as a probable copyright violation. We have had such severe problems with unsourced and illegal content, especially violations about images, that we have unfortunately been forced to take aggressive actions. A rewrite seems appropriate but please be very careful to document the copyright provenance of any text or images copied over. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 13:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Request undeletion of rewritten article I did precisely as suggested here, writing a short article with no copyvio, following the structure and style of an established article on another computer science laboratory, and, not even eight hours later, the new article has vanished. It seems whoever did this does not care to partake in the deletion review process, as no justification for deleting the rewritten article has appeared in this thread. Nor, does it seem, has this new deletion respected the general criteria for speedy deletion, which specifically says: "Before deleting again, the admin should ensure that the material is substantially identical", which it clearly is not. MyPOV 6:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: The deleting admin has already self-reverted the action and apologized in the edit summary. Rossami (talk)

Oz categories

CfD

There used to be several categories sorting the inamates in the Oz TV series:

• Category:Homeboys of Oz
• Category:The Aryan Brotherhood in Oz
• Category:Muslim Prisoners of Oz
• Category:Latin Prisoners of Oz
• Category:Italian Prisoners of Oz

Which were deleted recently by a few people who were against it. (Unfortunately, this deletion vote was not mentioned in any page, so no one could speak for these categories.

As you may see, there are too many articles regarding oz's prisoners, and this categorizing must take place. It should be also mentioned that these categories had some text in them portraying these gangs, and describing the main event that had happened to them during the course of the series.

I will put a link in here in the series' article talk page. Thanks! OzOz 11:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• endorse closure and keep deleted. I suggested to the review nominator that he perhaps write an article like Gangs of Oz (TV series) and include the information that he wants to have in the categories there, but it looks like he has rejected that idea. Categories should not have significant text in them, just guidelines for what should be included in that category. He could then have little headers for Fooians of Oz, describe the gang, and link to whatever related articles were needed either in a text or list form. Original multiple category discussion was here and previous Irish prisoners deletion discussion was here, and I was the closing admin in both cases. Syrthiss 12:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Overturn and undelete. Was a very usefull categorizing IMO. I don't care about the text, though. As far as I'm concerned, it can be sent to a different article. Jimbryho 09:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Overturn and undelete. Randy MacFarFarAway 12:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure and keep deleted. Proper notice was given on the categories themselves, and the vote was unanimous to merge. No valid reason has been given for overturning the CFD. The text that OzOz mentions above is irrelevant, because anything beyond a brief description of a category's contents should be put in articles, not in categories. Postdlf 15:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, CfD got it right. This was an unnecessary categorization. --Cyde↔Weys 16:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. This is kind of irrelevant, but why were there redirects to those categories in articlespace? --Rory096 16:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure the admin arrived at the only conclusion available from the discussion, the categories were correctly tagged: process was followed correctly. Moreover the Category:Oz (TV series) characters does not seem to require subcategories at this time. Tim! 16:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure. I voted to keep them (with some renaming), but nearly everybody else felt otherwise, so I think the admin came to the right conclusion. They can all go in the main Oz characters category.--Mike Selinker 23:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and undelete. There are about 60 articles there not including the CO's (Which some of you suggested to be sent to the main category along with the inmates. It needs to be sorted better. Plus, I believe that many readers might be interested only in the inmates of a certain gang (Instead of the entire category where all of the inmates shown throughout the series' run are put together. Yuval madar 06:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hulk 2

• Overturn. The article on Hulk 2 was previously voted for deletion because it was pretty much unverifiable. Web research on the topic at that time (June 2005) only produced actors confirming they _would not_ be involved in a Hulk sequel. On 28 April 2006, Marvel confirmed that a sequel to the 2003 film was under development.

Currently the article Hulk 2 is protected and redirects to Hulk (film). I therefore propose that the page be edited to redirect to The Incredible Hulk (film) (the apparent working title of the film) which in turn redirects to the Sequel section of the 2003 film article. When sufficient information about the new film becomes available, the sequel information can then be spun out into its own article. Journeyman 06:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Your suggestion would create a Double redirect, which is a Bad Thing. Ask again when you are ready to create the standalone article. Thryduulf 07:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Agree, premature per Thryduulf. When the article is written, I don't even think you need DRV; you can ask any admin to unprotect Hulk 2 and then properly redirect it. Thatcher131 15:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Amiga Virtual Machine

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Amiga virtual machine

Ask for undelete an article about Amiga redirected to 68k, while it has only some marginal relationship with 68K. See Talk:Amiga virtual machine to read all my points why "to undelete" review this article. Here I will made only a light summary of it.

1. The Ask for deletion was inconsistent.
2. There is nothing related in the article about Amiga Virtual machines which justify the redirection to 68000.
3. ABOX has two code interpreters built in: the one for M68000 code, the second for PowerPC PPC603e.
4. Amiga Anywhere AVM for example has nothing related with 68000.
5. during voting the main reasons to delete article by its detractors is related to a certain ignorance about Amiga and its technical features. Amiga it still on the market and evolving.
6. Reasons for Deletion were mainly (as clearly shown into voting discussion) by people who demonstrated hatred versus Amiga platform.
7. Abuse: During votations for deletion/keep there were censorshipped the reasons why to keep the article. (see history of the vote discussion related entry here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_16)

Conclusions:
This facts, i.e. the substantial inconsistence of the Request for Deletion, the presence of evident flamebaits, an evident abuse of censorship, obviously keep prevent other readers to judge with equity.
Also the article couldn't be redirected on 68K page, because three of the AVM have nothing in common with Motorola 68000 except the fact they made use of bundled Code Interpreter of 68000 as a simple bonus.

• ABOX main internal interpreter engine has PPC code interpreter (68000 interpreter is secondary one)
• Amiga Anywhere has no 68000 emulation bonus at all.

I want also to point you all that Amiga Virtual Machine article itself is well written and documented, it was also being edited to match all wikipedia standards.
Here it is all about my points. This is why I strongly ask to you all moderators it will be undelete and restored at the moment of its last revision editing. Thank you in anticipation for your attention and patience.
With respect, --Raffaele Megabyte 13:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• The content has never been deleted. The AFD discussion was closed as "merge" - a flavor of "keep". Disputed mergers are discussed and decided on the respective article Talk pages. Please return to the Talk pages to reach consensus on whether the merger should be kept or reversed. In necessary, consider the Request for Comment process. A Deletion Review discussion is not suited to help you make this decision. Rossami (talk) 13:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• The content has never been merged. There is nothing about AVM in the . Seems to me a deletion hidden by redirect.

To ask you some more clarifications on how to continue democratically fight to obtain that all the article will be re-issued... and not to play sort of "pass the buck" game that it was redirect->merge->delete->unrelated-etc... then, how could be the possible steps I can follow to obtain justice?

Sure I at this moment do not want to bother Request for Comment moderators, while the facts stated that the article is actually vanished.

Is this sort of bureaucratic (and kafkian) moebius-like loop-hole situation?????

Situation requires that someone of high level moderators should take the responsibility for any decision about this strange merge = delete.

Such a decision sholud be really a Solomon-like one, and not a Pilatus-like one such as: «I wash my hands» = i.e. «It is not of my business» which brings the results really not to take any decision at all.

Sincerely, --Raffaele Megabyte 14:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse closure. The history is there, anything that should be merged can still be merged, and I still think that article itself made no sense because of the reasons I stated on the deletion page and elsewhere (WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:NFT for as the term "AVM" is concerned). LjL 19:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• response. So, my dear mr. LjL about your objections of «WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:NFT for as the term "AVM" is concerned» I think you have nothing to object if I ask to allow recreation if notability can be established. Do you have any objection?

• • Response: uh... yeah, the objection is that in the WP:STUFF I cited, notability doesn't even appear :-) People make everything fall under "notability" in AFDs, but notability doesn't even make a policy AFAIK. Now, to be fair, NPOV isn't grounds for deletion when a POV article can be made NPOV; nor is NOR, usually, for the same reason. However, I'll say it again, I do not want to see "AVM" or "Amiga Virtual Machine" gobbledegock, because that is original research (and even if you can point to two or three forum articles that a couple of people who worked on this article wrote, it remains original research, by the way). If you avoid the term "AVM" and such things, then I'll grant you that the article could probably be made NPOV, NOR and even (drums...) notable. But even then I think that the issues the article talked about are much better treated in separate articles, such as Amiga emulation, Motorola 68000, AmigaOS, MorphOS, Amiga Anywhere, and what not. Putting everything under the cap of "Amiga virtual machine" is simply pointless IMHO, besides bordering into original research: there are many very different things involved -- emulation, compatibility layers, APIs, bytecode-oriented VMs (Amiga Anywhere)... much better to just put everything under Category:Amiga, instead of making an article that puts things into strong relationship when there are no such strong relationships at all. LjL 14:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

To support my request I created a list of links into Talk:Amiga_virtual_machine (see paragraph 9), and I ask all readers and moderators (please) to check various notability of the related Amiga Virtual Machine attested terms in numerous sites.

Obviously also NPOV exists beacuse there are many non-amiga sites attesting it (even Slashdot.org and IBM).

Also WP:NOR WP:NFT are not relevant because we are talking about commercial products existing starting since 1998 up today, and there are plenty of primary and secondary sources; no school works, no neologisms at all! Amiga Virtual Machine is not a neologism, it is a common term to define a series of phenomena already present for many years and now emerging.

Sincerely--Raffaele Megabyte 03:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hardly any of your links (if any) use the term "Amiga Virtual Machine", so I don't see how that establishes notability. No one is questioning the notability of Amiga Anywhere - if you want to create that article, go ahead - the issue is with the term "Amiga Virtual Machine". You have provided no evidence that it is a "common term". Mdwh 22:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Response: look, there's some misunderstanding here. I never disclaimed that AmigaDE/AmigaAnywhere is a virtual machine, nor that emulators are not virtual machines. They are. It's just that the term Amiga Virtual Machine -- capitalized, and/or abbreviated to AVM -- is a neologism that doesn't really exist outside Misplaced Pages. The sites you give talk about "virtual machines", and they talk about Amiga, and they explain that Amiga Anywhere is a virtual machine. That's all very well, but it doesn't made "AVM" a valid or meaningful term. Contrast this with the term "Java Virtual Machine" (JVM): that's valid and meaningful because that's what Sun decided to call it, and what everybody else has been calling it since then. It's a very specific term for a very specific thing. "AVM" is a vapourterm. LjL 14:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

22 May 2006

Xombie

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Xombie

It was deleted due to not meeting WP:WEB. Xombie has been in two magazines so far Fangoria and Rue Morque]. This isn't advertising for the site, its about the flash cartoon that's being turned into a movie, how can Misplaced Pages not have this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonkoldyk (talk • contribs)

• Endorse closure (keep deleted). I find no process problems with the AFD discussion. Had I seen this deletion discussion, I would also have argued to delete. I can not convince myself that it is appropriate for Misplaced Pages to include entries for every flash cartoon that comes along. Rossami (talk) 20:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, valid AfD. Af first glance, this seems to be a classic "No consensus" AfD, but only one of the delete votes was valid: one was from an anon, and the other was from a very new user. That puts it right on the border for admin's discretion, and in this case, the closing admin applied it. --Deathphoenix ʕ 20:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and undelete. So here's a situation where the article clearly did not show it met WP:WEB upon its deletion, and we now have evidence that it, in fact, does meet WP:WEB. Without seeing what was there before, I don't know what the article looked like, but given that it seems that process is being followed by coming to DRV instead of just recreating, and WP:WEB (the justification for deletion) is now met, we should undelete. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 01:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure Valid AfD, per Deathphoenix's reasoning. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 10:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and undelete, not every flash cartoon that comes along gets made into a feature-length film released on DVD. Furthermore, this series clearly meets criteria 1 of WP:WEB. AfroDwarf 15:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Gary Howell

In the heat of the moment of deletion, many failed to look at the facts. A notable West Virginian.

• SBA Exporter of the Year for WV 2003
• Inducted into WV's GeneratioNext, 40 WV Leaders under 40
• Award from the WV Office of Tourisms Motorsports Council for promoting the State Through Motorsports

Nationally Known Automotive Person in TV and Print

• Car and Driver Magazine 2003, circulation world wide 1 million +
• C&D Magazine SuperCar Challenge Winnner. Considered to be the best of the best tuners in the world
• Mopar Muscle top Magazine for Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler Products
• Named a Mopar mover and shaker in 1999 by Mopar Muscle Magazine
• Internet Movie Database
• DIY Networks Tricked Out-SRT-4 Exhaust Episode
• DIY Networks Tricked Out-Computer Episode

International Credit Card Fraud Expert

• CBS Evening News
• Wall Street Journal May 1, 2003
• Japanese National Television Appearence on Credit Card Fraud
• Lectures to groups nationwide on Credit Card Fraud Oct 31st 2:00 PM - 3:30 PM - How to Prevent & Reduce Losing Money to Credit Card Fraud

--71Demon 16:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• This has been deleted twice; the first time following an AfD (Admins can see the final version before this deletion at ), with the consensus being that the article failed WP:BIO, WP:CORP and/or WP:VAIN. Having seen the content of the deleted version I would also have voted to delete for these reasons. The second time (earlier today) it was speedy deleted as an nn-bio (CSD:A7) but it could also have been deleted under CSD:G4 (recreation of previoulsy deleted material), that version contained even less information than the previously deleted version and no substantiated notability claims so this was a perfectly valid deletion. Endorse deletions but allow recreation iff notability can be established. I suggest that you start composing an article in your userspace and only move it to the main namespace when it substantially improves on the first version to avoid a further speedy deletion under G4 or A7. If notability is still not established then there should be no prejudice against a second AfD. Thryduulf 16:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Restore Never should have been deleted. Meets all criteria for a good Misplaced Pages article. --70.17.192.78 17:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn/Restore this never should have been deleted --63.243.30.51 17:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• As far as I see it the facts weren't actually presented in such clarity during the afd debate, and so I don't see that the decision to delete was wrong. I'm with Thryduulf: if notability can be established then restore. -- Francs2000 17:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• I'm afraid that I must disagree with the assertion that the facts above were not considered. In fact, they were clearly documented in the deleted version of the article. I find little evidence convincing me that they were ignored or overlooked by the discussion participants. I must also disagree with 71Demon's specific assertion above that Howell is an "international credit fraud expert". Three of the four articles he/she cites as evidence demonstrate no such thing. (The fourth is in Japanese so I could not evaluate it.) Howell was interviewed as a small business owner who has been affected by international credit card fraud. He is no more "expert" than any other small business owner so afflicted.
  I endorse closure (keep deleted) but, as Thryduulf said, there is no prejudice against a new article more thoroughly documenting his achievements. If such an article is written and upheld, we can do a history-restore at that time. Rossami (talk) 20:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, valid AfD. Allow re-creation if the article addresses the concerns mentioned above and in the AfD. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• (Caveat: I was the nom on the AfD in question). Endorse closure as a valid, good-faith AfD. I have no prejudice to recreation as long as it illustrates notability. To do so, the article should focus on Howell's work in the world of hot rods and automobiles (where he may possibly be notable in a relative sense) and it should prove said notability in that field. His status as a guy that has been interviewed because his business was ripped off (at least until his book is published) and his goal of seeking a seat on a local county commission should only be mentioned as side-notes and do not contribute either way to his notability or lack there of. youngamerican (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

New Sincerity

This article needed expanding, not deleting. It is a verifiable media theory, although the article itself needed work. The opinion when discussed was mixed, but this is a real and serious theory that should have a place on Misplaced Pages. If the article is not reinstated, can I at least have the original content to be worked into a fuller, referenced article that can be? --Hippo Shaped 17:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/New Sincerity for the deletion debate.

• Endorse deletion but allow userfication. This was a valid closure of the AfD, but based on the comments by some participants it seems as though there is potential for a valid, verifiable article and indeed some work was done to improve the article during the debate, but this was not enough to influence a turnaround in voting. I recommoned that Hippo Shaped be allowed the content to work on it. I feel that it do the article good not to be associated with some of its mid-life incarnations as these were detrimental to people's opinions of it at AfD. Thryduulf 17:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure. I voted keep on the AfD discussion, but it was closed properly, if you can come up with a valid, verifiable article, then please recreate it in your User space and bring it back here for review. User:Zoe| 22:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure, valid AfD. It was relisted twice, so it was a bit of a difficult one (though when I relisted it the second time, I didn't realise it was already relisted), but I think it was closed appropriately. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Successful Praying

I request the return of the article on the book Successful Praying because it was deleted without due respect for the deletion process. I would ask that this request be based on whether or not due process was followed (which I think is strong) and not on whether the article may or may not survive a more considered delete process (which I admit is less strong). See also the discussion with the admin about this deletion. Thanks, Brusselsshrek 08:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Technical undelete as it clearly wasn't a speedy candidate, however I recommend Brussels writes an article on the author Frederick Julius Huegel instead of or at least before writing an article on his book. Articles on authors can frequently contain most of the useful information about their writing. --Sam Blanning 10:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. While I have little doubt this was done in good faith, a table of contents of a book is copyrighted. After stripping the TOC and the copyrighted cover images (they can only be used in articles that discuss the book -- not ones that say Title is a book by so and so), all you have left is "Successful Praying, subtitled an explanation of ten rules which guarantee answered prayer is the title of a book by Frederick Julius Huegel." with an ISBN and a link. I don't think that result was an article. I would agree that an article about the author is probably more feasible, but if Brussel can mention something about the book other than the basic details (especially what makes the book special enough for an entry), I have little problems with a recreation. But I don't think the original should be reinstated. Userfy if he wants to expand. - Mgm| 10:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I had fully intended to write more information about the contents of the book, but the stub was deleted within DAYS of it being created. The TOC was there to form a skeleton for what I was about to write. To argue that the content was not sufficient to justify recreation misses many important points:
    1. the article had only been created a few days earlier (thus deleted contrary to wikipedia guidelines of allowing a stub a reasonable time to develop).
    2. the author of the article was not informed of the deletion, except as a "speedy-delete" (while he was asleep) and so had no chance to add the real value which is suggested was missing
    3. the proper procedure was not followed, and I as the person to have most suffered from this lack of procedure, am simply asking for the right to create the article which I wanted to create.

    I will add that I have now spent a huge amount of time simply fighting against this speedy-delete, and it is a real tragedy that I waste almost all of the time I spend on Misplaced Pages editing recently because what I see as this admins blunder, rather than contributing useful stuff.Brusselsshrek 12:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse speedy-deletion as a copyright violation. Unfortunately, Brusselsshrek's statement of his/her intention to expand the stub past copy-vio status does nothing to protect the project. Every page must stand alone as is at the time you hit the "save page" button. The courts have not yet sanctioned us for tolerating copyvios for short periods but that is a theory that we should not test. Take the time to write a solid, non-copyvio stub. Then post it.
  As to Brusselsshrek's claims that he/she was not informed, no notice is required nor is any such notice appropriate (though it can, in some cases, be courteous). Please read (or re-read) WP:OWN. None of us has any claim to ownership of any page here. Rossami (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse speedy, per Mgm & Rossami. Sorry, Brusselsshrek, dealing with copyvios takes precedence over everything. Even if you plan to expand the article, any content that is a copyright violation is simply not acceptable (for legal reaasons) and must be removed from the article history. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion per Deathphoenix. Although I would have taken a different route (tagging the copyvio and asking the editor to userfy it until it was further along) the destination is the same. Thatcher131 15:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I get the point about copyvio. Question though, I have done the identical thing for the article The Cross and the Switchblade, that is, I have scanned the front/back cover of the book. Is that not copyvio? What is the guideline? I know there's a lot of general stuff written here about copyvio, but what is the story on book covers? Can I or can't I copy them? The book covers for the Successful Praying article were scanned at exactly the same resolution or size as the book cover for The Cross and the Switchblade for which nobody seems to be saying anything. Thanks for clarifying. Brusselsshrek 08:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

If you read the guideline at WP:FAIR it seems that a scan of a book cover to accompany an article about the book is ok. However, copying the text from the jacket so as to constitute the body of the article is definitely not. I would say that at least half of The Cross and the Switchblade is an unacceptable copyright violation. You should find some other way to describe the contents of the book in your own words. Thatcher131 14:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Videohypertransference

Wow... I really hope I am doing this right. Sincere apologies if I am getting this protocol wrong - I am quite a newbie. I have 2 points to make about the deletion of this article, or maybe 3. 1) May I have the text copied to my userspace? If all else fails here, I would at least be interested in getting the latest version of the text for my own personal use. 2) I didn't get any warning about the deletion notice (prolly because I didn't login for a couple of weeks), so I never got a chance to say anything about the deletion vote. I think the article is a valid attempt, and I would be happy to try and source the article a bit more thoroughly. However, as I pointed out on the discussion page, there isn't much information directly available on this topic via Google. It is a very recent phenomenon, and I did my best to scientifically describe the empirical facts. This is just my opinion, but I often find people have a very strange view of what science is! 3ish) I think the article can be improved if it is fully undeleted. The phenomenon of videohypertransference is a real one, and deserves documenting. It has grown out of the rise of video (and video nasties) in the west, and the popularity of video game culture in Japan. Thanks for your consideration, --Dan| 08:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• I've moved the text to User:Dmb000006/Videohypertransference. Please stick a {{delete|unwanted user subpage}} notice on it when this deletion review is closed and you're otherwise done with the text, as Misplaced Pages is not a free webhost. Anyway, I think the main issue is: does anyone actually refer to this as "videohypertransference"? Otherwise the article is fundamentally original thought. In the absence of specific new evidence that would theoretically have caused the very clear consensus in the AfD to be otherwise, endorse closure. --Sam Blanning 10:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... Would it be possible to get the discussion page restored too? I made some useful comments for the would-be deleter on that page, as well as some notes regarding the stories in the media. Thank you! --Dan| 06:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion, valid AfD, which was overwhelmingly in favour of deletion. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

21 May 2006

Church of Reality

I want to hear countering viewpoints of the Church of Reality, after seeing bumper stickers in San Francisco. It looks like the page is permanently deleted, but no explanation has been given as to why. It is an athiestic organization: is the page being suppressed by political opponents? Please reinstate to allow open information exchange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.103.182 (talk • contribs)

• Previous discussion: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Church of Reality. It was then speedied a bunch of times when recreated. --W.marsh 02:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Without voting one way or the other yet, I'll answer: no, of course it's not being oppressed by political opponents. Repeat that too much and you'll just end up sounding like a bunch of paranoid kooks. Now, has anything changed since the AfD to make the Church of Reality more notable or give it more verifiable, published information? rspeer / yYYdsy 07:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Azn people in United States

User:Vegaswikian has been deleting the pages which link to the Asian American page under the assumption that "internet slang" is not covered under a reason for a redirect page, but I User:Dark Tichondrias believe the alternative spelling is covered in Misplaced Pages's redirect reasons. On Misplaced Pages:Redirect page the third reason for a redirect is for other spellings and punctuations. "Azn" or "AZN" are an alternative spelling for Asian. These alternative spellings are used on the internet, but the fact they are used on the internet has no bearing on their status of being an alternative spelling. --- Dark Tichondrias 20:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep deleted, and delete other implausible redirects created by the same user. - Mike Rosoft 20:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. I'm another editor who's been going through and cleaning up the myriad of redirects you consider an alternative spelling, and I'm hard pressed to figure out how someone would type "Asain (Office of Management and Budget)" into the search box.  RasputinAXP  c 00:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted - highly tenuous. Metamagician3000 01:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Kp dltd. LjL 01:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. LjL stole my line. · rodii · 02:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, but don't waste time on deleting other implausible redirects by the same user. His time would have been better spent creating articles with substance, but the presence of these redirects didn't, I think, hurt anyone. We shouldn't be wasting our time deleting harmless redirects. (If this discussion were about whether to perform the initial deletions or not, I would have voted Keep, I think...) --Lukobe 05:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted. Redirects for typos are fine, being lazy and not typing all letters is not. - Mgm| 10:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted Don't want to open the floodgates for other nonsensical internet-speak redirects. leet leg@l d00dz as a redirect to Supreme Court, anyone? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• You mean it wasn't already? ;)  RasputinAXP  c 20:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: "Azn" is more than just an internet slang term. Our local television cable provider carries AZN television, an English language network for Asian viewers (mainly Filipino). However, the vast numbers of redirects being created is silly and verging on disruptive, considering how much space they take up in Recent Changes. No vote. User:Zoe| 22:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted and chase down the dozens of others: as one of the mop-wielders who had to clear this lot out of CAT:CSD I can assure you that there were a huge number, all of which were pretty much nonsensical. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 08:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted at the risk of sounding eletist, somone who can't tell the difference between IM slang and an encyclopedia probably won't learn too much here anyway. Thatcher131 15:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted per Thatcher131, Andrew Lenahan, & Rasputin.--WilliamThweatt 15:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Deleted An unencyclopedic and unnecessary term. Anybody who knows "AZN" knows Asian.--Folksong 19:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, inappropriate redirect. Titoxd 02:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

AlmightyLOL

Overturn This site has grown effectively in prominence over the internet subculture since it's conception in December 2005. I know alot of fucktards have been screwing with the page, but what if somebody comes to wikipedia and wants to know what almightyLOL is? Is wikipedia just going to say "sorry, bro, you're on your own with this one", or refer people to encyclopedia dramatica? All I'm asking for is to write a stub expalining what it is, slip a link in at the bottom of the page, then have it put on protected. Doesn't that make sense? WALKER--

• Endorse deletion, valid A7 speedy, even if it wasn't the ongoing AfD was a snowball delete, no new arguments presented. I remind its members again that Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for advertising. --Sam Blanning 17:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• By the way, this is a wiki. No article may be permanently protected. --Sam Blanning 17:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Properly deleted pages that are repeatedly recreated may be but it shouldn't be commonly needed. Pegasus1138 ---- 17:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Deleted without being able to see the deleted content but with the help of google searches and archive looks to compensate it looks like this is yet another fad that doesn't deserve an article and I agree with Samuel Blanning that it would be a snowball and quite possibly a speedy close AFD if it were to go there. Pegasus1138 ---- 17:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• comment I understand WP:NOT, but I also understand what it is, a source of information available to the public. If people need to know what almightyLOL is, then wikipedia should be their first source of information. If I were to go around posting an external link to almightylol from every other page, that would be advertising. But an article simply telling what it is should be allowable. WALKER 18:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  So you're arguing against Misplaced Pages:Verifiability then? If there are reliable sources talking about AlmightyLOL, then we might have something to write about. -GTBacchus 18:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  To rephrase what GTBacchus said, Misplaced Pages is never the first source for anything. Encyclopaedias are tertiary sources, that is, they are the third source after reliable journals, newspapers and other publications with suitable fact-checking standards. --Sam Blanning 18:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  Well then, where's the source for the page on YTMND?

  Keep deleted. Good idea, let's delete YTMND and related junk. Where do you think the fucktards are coming from? · rodii · 02:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

  Actually, YTMND references such sources as CNN and The Wall Street Journal, because it's a notable enough phenomenon that those publications decided it was worth a mention. Has AlmightyLOL received coverage in the national mainstream press? -GTBacchus 20:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion and protection, this thing has been deleted three times in less than three months. --Deathphoenix ʕ 01:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion and protection BTW: You're not going to win support by calling people "fucktards."--Folksong 20:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep deleted, fucktard. --Cyde↔Weys 17:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

List of video game collector and special editions

Overturn and Rename The majority of the calls for deletion at the original AFD debate found here Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of video game collector and special editions were made before the article was even complete 10% of its state at the time of deletion. All votes to keep the page however were made after most progress had been made. Originally then, the nomination was much more valid, but as the page took shape and it's purpose and scope were better defined, it became a very useful and focused resource for people to use. I DO however, suggest it is renamed to something like "List of NA video games with limited editions" to better call attention to what it covers. The list is not unmaintainable as some asserted, only a handful of games get such a release every year; and it is not indiscriminate when you put focus on and understand the "limited" aspect, and limit inclusion to games released in the NA market (as admittedly numerous Japan released games get limited editions). There are perhaps another dozen or two more games beyond what the list already covered. Suggestions that people should visit hundreds of individual games pages to see if a game has a special edition is ridiculously inefficient (and makes the assumption those pages even mention such a release); this puts everything on one page, with the added benefit of describing what made each limited edition special (unlike the beginning when it was merely a literal list of titles). If anything I learned not to put up a page until it is more or less done. Also I was insulted by the admin's insinuation I used multiple accounts on the AFD page to bias the discussion, if anything its proof there are people who value such information. Deusfaux 13:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Also any comparisons to this being similiar to a list of special edition dvd movies is invalid as the total # of limited edition video games ever released would not equal even one year's worth of "special/limited" edition dvds (which sees nearly every title get such a release.) An easily maintainable list. Deusfaux 13:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse closure. Those arguing for deletion did not do so on the basis that the list was incomplete, so their rationales applied to the article as it stood at deletion. --Sam Blanning 14:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • But then what basis DID they vote on?. When I said it was incomplete I didnt mean as to which titles it included, I meant incomplete as in zero formatting, and <10 titles (names only) all on the same line with no intro or discussion of what the page was attempting to do. If anything, they were based were largely based on the page's title then, as there was little to no article to vote on. How could they vote on the premise for the page when one couldnt even be communicated to them at the time they were viewing it? I would have nominated it for deletion myself. It was junk. However, it wasnt for long, at all. Deusfaux 14:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• You can easily see the basis they voted on if you view the AfD page. You can see their reasonings there. The overwhelming theme was that it was not an encyclopedic list (aka listcruft). Metros232 14:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• And at the time they made those comments, it was true. My issue is that the page was essentially a stub for what would become something substantially different later on, so they are invalid. On Deletion Review: "It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information)," Deusfaux 14:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Users weren't voting on the content of the article, rather the CONCEPT of the article. No matter what you did or put into it, the article would have still be deleted for being an unencyclopedic list. Metros232 15:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Again from above: "How could they vote on the premise for the page when one couldnt even be communicated to them at the time they were viewing it?" Where were they deriving what the concept was supposed to be? The title then? Ironic because I think it should be renamed anyways. Deusfaux 15:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Endorse closure the majority of the grounds was listcruft. I agree. Nothing improper. Computerjoe's talk 14:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Can anyone even view the page at this point? Just going by the AFD is not appropriate in regards to the reasons called for undeletion.Deusfaux 14:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Apart from the issue of whether early delete votes failed to take into account new evidence, all the reasons for undeletion were addressed in the AfD. Deletion review is not a rematch, it is for reviewing whether process was followed; therefore the AfD and its outcome is the important thing to be considered, not the content of the article. --Sam Blanning 15:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • So since the article is vastly different from what was laregly voted on to be deleted, I shouldnt be asking for a review into the process that got it deleted; I should just remake the page and see if people call for it to be deleted then? Deusfaux 15:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
      • If a consensus emerges here that the outcome would have been different if new evidence was considered, only then may the article will be restored and relisted on AfD. --Sam Blanning 16:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
        • If indeed your revised version now properly addresses the objections raised in the article's AfD, irrespective of the disposition of deletion review, it would be appropriate for you to recreate the article, although the article would be deleted, perhaps speedily, were it to be exorbitantly similar to the version for which an AfD was already closed. Sam's point apropos of new evidence is, to be sure, correct; if the changes, though, aren't to introduce new evidence as, for example, to notability, but, instead, to reformulate the page such that it no longer is an unencyclopedic list (per WP:NOT), sometimes a new article should simply be created (although I concur in Metros' comment inasmuch as I can't conceive of any version of the list/article that would comport with WP:NOT). The deletion of an article on a given subject does not preclude its recreation (see, e.g., in the case of an article about The Beatles that was speedied as nonsense or AfDed as being unencyclopedic, the deletion of a previous article would not prohibit the creation of an article consistent with Misplaced Pages policy, given that the subject would surely be notable); it does, though, prohibit recreation of an article substantially similar to that which was deleted (absent new evidence ). Joe 19:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and relist. This is a sticky situation. It appears that most of the delete votes were indeed based on a proto-version of the article, one which did not have the valuable annotation which the most recent version (as per my recollection) did. As per WP:LIST, an annotated list is a good candidate for keeping rather than making into a category. I don't see anything in WP:NOT that applies to this article. Claims of listcruft are also dubious: the list is of broad interest, the list is not indiscriminate, the content is verifiable, the concept is notable, the list is of sufficient length, the list is maintainable, the list is annotated, and the list is encyclopedic. The important thing is that many of the listcruft criteria were indeed met by the initial version, but were (or may have been) eliminated by the deleted version. That deleted version deserves a second chance, ideally with "Delete" voters providing a more detailed explanation than just "listcruft" (per WP:LC, "listcruft" alone is not by itself sufficient reason for deletion). Powers 00:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion: the list has been replaced with a category (currently nominated for renaming) which in the circumstances is actually more useful. My usual objection to converting a list to a category is that the latter cannot include placeholders for items not currently covered by an article; however there should be nothing in this "list" which does not already have an article and therefore the category is eminently suitable. I was saddened both by the excessive references to listcruft in the AFD discussion, verging on incivility, and by the indications of claimed ownership being displayed by the originator who is now contesting the suggested renaming of the category and threatening to recreate the list. HTH HAND �Phil | Talk 07:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • In my opinion, the category is insufficient as a replacement because it is the annotation present in the list that makes it encyclopedic. That annotation does not exist in the category. Powers 14:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • A catergory would likely have links to pages that do not exist, and makes assumptions various game articles mention an L.E. and then makes the assumption those notes describe what the L.E. included or what made it special - all of which is not an issue with the list. BTW, I dont think the page should be renamed because I think it should be deleted altogether for reasons following, also I never "threatened" to remake this list - I asked in this very discussion if that would be appropriate. Deusfaux 08:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Looking over the catergoy page, a review of the first 10 entries indicate 5 of the linked articles do NOT mention any L.E. in any form (unverifiable), and 3 do not have a L.E. (as was defined to be discriminate) anyways. (they refer to marketing applied "special" editions which are merely re-releases and in no way limited) The page is a joke to wikipedia standards, and people would be far better served by a list with annotation, like the one in review. Deusfaux 08:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Overturn and relist per Powers. - Mgm| 10:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

17 May 2006

Automobile/Motor Manufacturer CFD

At the end of a CFD to move Automobile/Motor Manufacturers to the "Company of Foo" format, there seemed to be a good body of opinion in favour but with the caveat of Motor Manufacturers rather than Automobile Manufacturers where this is local usage, which was an alteration from the original nomination. User:Cyde then put User:Cydebot to work altering all of the categories as per the nomination without reference to the CFD disscussion. Noticing this in progress I posted to Cyde's talk page then having had no response to Bots. Some 10 hours later User:Tim! closed the CFD noting that Cyde had already done the rename, I then posted to Tim! as per the advice given on the Bot noticeboard, who replied on my talk page. Cyde later replied on his talk page with a comment that seems to justify over ruling any CFD at the will of the closing Admin.

I suggest that the categories be renamed, or at least full consideration is given renaming them, inline with the CFD discussion. Ian3055 23:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Overturn and rename per local usage. Manifestly improper close, ignoring WP:Consensus to start the useless thing, an Anglo-American language dispute. Septentrionalis 04:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse status quo. "Motor manufacturers" would be manifestly misleading, as the companies in question actually produce whole cars, rather than merely exporting motors to be installed in some other country. — May. 12, '06 <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Note that the industry trade body is called the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders and of course a Motor manufacturer produces more than Engines. Ian3055 12:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

What a confusingly named organization. — May. 15, '06 <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Like the man said, local differences. Car driver = motorist. Car salesman = motor trader. Automobile is almost unusued this side of the pond, we find "car" shorter and more convenient. Just zis Guy you know? 12:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• This got no attention and I have no idea what to do with it, so I've moved it to the top of the heap. And subst the subpage, because I hate them like poison. - brenneman 12:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Rename to match local usage, no good reason to ignore the consensus that CFD came up with. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Endorse status quo - I would prefer "motor vehicle manufacturers" (which sometimes gets abbreviated to "motor manufacturers"), but surely this isn't worth much of a fuss over. The outcome reached was sensible enough to stand. Metamagician3000 11:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• For values of sensible which include using a term which is simply not used at all in some of the countries named... Just zis Guy you know? 16:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Recently concluded

2006 May

1. Automobile manufaturers categories Sent back to CFD. 23:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Review
2. Naismith Family Contested PROD, restored and sent to AfD. 19:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
3. Philip Sandifer DRV aborted, listed at AfD. 2006-05-26 19:30:22 (UTC) Review
4. Church of Reality Minimal discussion, but kept deleted on the basis of lack of stated grounds in the nomination. 16:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
5. Azn people in United States Kept deleted unanimously. 16:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
6. AlmightyLOL Kept deleted unanimously. 16:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
7. List of video game collector and special editions By strict "tally", discussion was "tied", 3-3; however, weight of argument tipped in favor of relisting. 16:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
8. User:Raphael1/Persecution of Muslims Speedy deletion endorsed. 02:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
9. WWE Divas Do New York Keep closure endorsed. 00:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
10. I Like Monkeys, speedy reversed and send to AFD. 20:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
11. Science3456 sockpuppetry AfDs, debates relisted except GNAA. 17:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
12. Structures of the GLA, debate relisted Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Structures of the GLA (second nomination) 17:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
13. Prhizzm, undeleted and relisting at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Prhizzm (second nomination). 17:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
14. List of proper nouns containing a bang This case was complicated by an out-of-process deletion during DRV. In consideration of the consensus afterwards expressed that this out-of-process deletion was in error, article will be relisted afresh at AfD. 03:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
15. Brooks Kubik Undeleted and relisted at AfD for further consideration. 17:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
16. ProgressSoft Undeleted and relisted at AfD for further consideration. 16:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
17. Aww Nigga Kept deleted and protected. 16:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
18. that ass Deletion endorsed unanimously. 16:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
19. Matrixism Status quo (previous deletions and current redirect) endorsed. 03:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
20. Talk:Ancient Roman units of measurement/Hexadecimal metric system Discussion subpage undeleted. 03:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
21. Male Unbifurcated Garment Deletion closure endorsed. 03:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC) Review
22. Major power Redirect closure endorsed unanimously. 18:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
23. User:Travb/Tactics of some admins regarding copyright Deletion endorsed. 18:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
24. James R. Gillespie Deletion endorsed. 18:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
25. Longest streets in London Deletion endorsed. 18:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
26. JOIDES Resolution and Chikyu Deletion endorsed. 17:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
27. Template:Mills corp Undeleted and relisted on AfD. 17:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
28. Israel News Agency Undeleted, relisting on AFD has been suggested. 16:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
29. Eminem's enemies Deletion endorsed unanimously. 16:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
30. Cock block Narrow majority, 12-11, favor undeletion and relisting at AfD. 16:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
31. Ryan Rider Userfied. 13:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC) Review
32. The Adventures of Dr. McNinja Kept deleted. 2006-05-23 12:18:11 (UTC) Review
33. myg0t Kept deleted. 2006-05-23 08:06:33 (UTC) Review
34. Majestic-12 Distributed Search Engine relisted to AFD 20:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Review
35. Category:Sylviidae Accidental deletion, content restored. 19:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Review
36. Rationales to impeach George W. Bush Closure as merge endorsed unanimously. 16:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
37. DJ Cheapshot, SpyTech Records and 4-Zone (rapper) Speedy deletions endorsed. 16:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
38. The Juggernaut Bitch Kept Deleted. 02:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
39. Thirty Ought Six Deletion endorsed. (Current redirect is unrelated.) 02:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
40. RAD Data Communications Kept deleted. - 12:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
41. Link leak Kpet deleted. - 12:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
42. Conservative Underground Kept deleted. - 11:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
43. Template:Tracker Kept deleted. - 11:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
44. Gordon Cheng - Restored and relisted, now at AfD. - 11:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
45. Category:Wold Newton family members - Close of keep endorsed. - 11:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Review
46. Ryze - Undeleted and relisted on AFD per consensus. 23:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Review
47. Jack Berman - Restored history per consensus. 22:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Review
48. Ghey - kept deleted but protection removed. Redirect target undecided. 22:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC) Review
49. CEWC-Cymru - Restored as contested PROD. 03:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Review
50. Nephew (band) - Mistaken nomination. Kept deleted. No prejudice against creation of a different article at the same title. 03:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Review
51. Andrew Kepple - Disputed prod, restored and listed to AFD. 03:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Review
52. Sports betting forum Resotored and stubbed by deleting admin. 07:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
53. YMF-X000A Dreadnought Gundam Closure of "keep" endorsed. 07:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
54. Upfront Rewards Kept deleted and protected. 07:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
55. David Anber Kept deleted. 02:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Review
56. User_talk:Gomi-no-sensei/archive restored by deleting admin. 02:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC) Review
57. Rationales for not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2008 Kept deleted and protected. 01:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
58. Willy on Wheels Kept deleted and protected. 01:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
59. Aaron Donahue Kept deleted and protected. 01:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
60. OITC fraud Closure endorsed without prejudice to NPOV article being written. 01:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
61. StarCraft_II Kept deleted and protected against recreation. 01:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
62. Michael Crook Kept deleted. 01:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
63. Dualabs Endorse "non-deletion" outcome but strong objections raised to closer's methods. 00:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Review
64. VOIPBuster Speedily restored by deleting admin, listed at AfD. 00:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC) Review
65. List of people with absolute pitch kept deleted. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
66. Template:Infobox Conditionals never actually deleted but no support for undoing the redirect. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
67. MusE returned to normal editing. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
68. Template:Ifdef kept deleted. 21:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Review
69. Reverend and The Makers. Relisted on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Reverend and The Makers. 06:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
70. Userbox, Userboxes. Both cross-space redirects restored by a slight 10-8 majority and relisted on WP:RFD. 06:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
71. Global Resource Bank Initiative. Relisted on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Global Resource Bank Initiative. 06:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
72. Cool (African philosophy). Closure endorsed but page already redirects to African aesthetic anyway. 06:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
73. Cajun Nights MUSH Kept deleted unanimously. 00:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
74. Rosario Isasi Closure as keep endorsed unanimously, without prejudice to a future AfD nom. 00:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC) Review
75. El kondor pada Speedily restored by deleting admin, listed at AfD. 20:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Review
76. Futuristic Sex Robotz DRV nomination withdrawn. 23:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
77. Insert Text Redirect restored by unanimous consensus. 22:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
78. Scott Thayer Deletion closure endorsed. 22:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
79. Psittacine Beak and Feather Disease Recreation permitted. 22:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
80. Category:User kon Restored, tho I (Syrthiss) am about to relist it with a cogent explanation at CFD. 22:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
81. List of "All your base are belong to us" external links Deletion endorsed unanimously. 22:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
82. SilentHeroes Different from CSD A4 material, restored and relisted at AFD. 21:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC) Review
83. Bands (neck) Restored after copyright problem satisfactorily resolved. 14:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC) Review
84. The Amazing Racist Deletion closure endorsed. 13:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
85. User:Avillia/CVU_Politics Restoration permitted after removal of copyrighted material. 13:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
86. Gurunath Keep closure at AfD endorsed unanimously. 13:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
87. Rationales to impeach George W. Bush Relisted for 3rd AfD, after deprecation of prematurely-closed 2nd AfD. 12:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review
88. The Game (game), most recent AfD endorsed, page restored. 02:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Review

Recent userbox discussions

• Template:User Republican, Template:User Democrat (result kd, WP:SNOW, strong endorsement and blatantly polemical userboxes.
• Template:User Chinese reunification (result keep deleted, WP:SNOW it has emerged in debate that PRC/ROC question is *de facto* polemical and divisive.)
• Template:User UKIP, Template:User UK Conservative, etc (result Close, WP:SNOW,massive endorsement for deletion)
• Template:User iamafish-en, Template:User iamalemming-en, Template:User iamamonarch-en and Template:User iamanaeroplane-en Speedy undeleted and listed at TfD after initial defective DRV. 23:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Review
• Template:User Church of Christ (keep deleted)
• Template:User atheist (result undelete)
• Template:User scientology (result kd)
• Template:User liberal (result keep deleted, WP:SNOW, massive endorsement)
• Template:User Hell, Template:User Ideal Dictator, and Template:User Elitist Consensus was to keep User Hell (which has already survived TfD), and undelete and TfD the others. 15:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Review
• Template:User liberty (result kd, unanimous, WP:SNOW)
• Template:User chav & Template:User notchav (result kd, unanimous, WP:SNOW)
• User:CharonX/Userboxes/User christian restored by 27-36 majority, will be relisted at TfD in pre-edit war form. 17:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC) Review
• Template:User hate (result kept deleted. WP:SNOW. Only nominator for review wanted it undeleted).
• Template:User Wikicheese-ologist (result kept deleted)
• Template:User ProIsrael: (result keep deleted, WP:SNOW)
• Template:User varied sex: (result kept deleted, closed as frivolous challenge)
• Template:User Triceratops Accident (result kept deleted)
• Template:User antiuserboxdeletion (result kept deleted)
• Template:User Darwinist(result kept deleted)
• User:UBX/Communist (result kept deleted)
• Template:User No Marxism (result kept deleted)
• Template:User infidel undeleted.
• Template:User Sock Puppet and Template:User Puppet Master ... it's complicated discussion
• Template:User against Saud (result almost unanimous keep deleted)
• Template:User_Unamerican and others (result nomination delisted early; template kept deleted)
• Template:User transhumanist and Template:User anti-transhumanist (result kept deleted)
• Template:User boylover and Template:User girllover (result kept deleted).
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Userboxes/Alerts (result kept deleted)
• Template:User admins ignoring policy (result kept deleted)
• Template:User Unamerican and others (result kept deleted)
• Template:User vomit (result kept deleted)
• Template:User Objectivism / Template:User No Objectivism (result: both kept deleted)
• Template:User_Thermostat_Bicker (Archive#Template:User_Thermostat_Bicker: undeleted and relisted on TfD)
• Template:User marriage man-woman (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User Same Sex Marriage (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User independent Iraq (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User antiparty (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User review (result: kept deleted)
• Template:User Copyright Nazi (result: kept deleted)
• User:nathanrdotcom/Userboxes/ABF (result: undeleted)
• Template: User evol-X (result: kept deleted)
• Template: User feminist (result: undeleted)
• Template:User userbox insurgent (result: nomination delisted early without explanation; template kept deleted)
• Template:User userbox revolution (result: nomination delisted early without explanation; template kept deleted)
• Template:User marriage man-woman (result: no majority to endorse deletion, no supermajority to overturn; I'm re-creating and taking it to TFD)
• Template:User opposes ubx screwing (result: kept deleted as protected page)
• Template:User USA Police State (result)
• Template:User No Meat (result: recreated as redirect)
• George W. Bush templates
• Pseudo-templates Userbox:Anti ACLU, Userbox:Anti UN (result)

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