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Letting Go of the Past
It is frightening to let go
of the past. It is like letting go of something
that is precious. That includes the feeling for
everything that has been, and also, for what was
once a solid identity built on deprivation.
Letting go of the past
must be done gradually and with
special care;
one old belief at a time
and only one fear. ...
Thank you, Poeticbent

Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Misplaced Pages's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... --> Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Flowers and sapphires

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers!

	Wonderful comment
	For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter! cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

For a true gem of a person ...

	words of reason and trust
	To quote you: Thank you for speaking up with decency and fairness, treating editors as living people, — Ched :  ?  15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

German-English

You asked for an English translation of "uneinsichtig, unbelehrbar und beratungsresistent". Without consulting a dictionary, I translate those words as "uninsightful, unteachable, and resistant to advice", but there may be a more nuanced or idiomatic meaning that I am missing. The single English word that comes to mind to describe that set of characteristics is "pig-headed" (that is probably not an English word you know, but I think it is a word you will enjoy). I also think of the Misplaced Pages item WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.

Your English is much better than my Deutsch, so I am happy when I can help you expand your knowledge. I didn't respond on the page where you asked the question because I think it is a bad idea to continue the argument ("bickering") there. Also, I think it is best to avoid making accusations against people, because that often makes people angry, while failing to help them see the problem. (See Misplaced Pages:Avoid personal remarks.) --Orlady (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I certainly enjoyed the new word and your sensible way of handling the case. I just asked words, didn't I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, but "pig-headed" has more negative connotations than "hard-headed" or "stubborn". I will not choose a term to apply to this situation, per one of the above cited policies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Learning, thank you! (Just approved your Aku hook), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

"impervious" rings a bell: "impervious to pain, up to a certain point" (The Fountainhead), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Orlady, einsicht is indeed insight or understanding, but in this context uneinsichtig is nearer to "unreasonable". I suggest "unreasonable, incorrigible, and impervious to advice". Pig-headed is good. Moonraker (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for more insight, on top of your brilliant idiomatic translation of the 1715 text about the (equal) skills of females to study, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Cherry Impact event barnstar

		The Cherry Impact Event Award
		I hereby award Gerda Arendt this Cherry Impact Event Award for the global impact your incredibly delightful sweetness and extraordinary talent brings to all of us! . – Dreadstar † 07:01:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Standing Strong

	When the Ill Winds Blow No Good
	I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

uh, a tree for you

	Tree award? These have to be "awards"?
	Hi, Gerda. I was editing Desivojca, and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. Alarbus (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I do, I love trees! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For believing in the goodness of people above all. For having faith and being willing to work on a cause that seemed hopeless. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

AMEN to that! Gerda is one of the kindest, most decent people I've ever met. In this case, wiki-met, not met in person, though I'd love to do that one day.PumpkinSky talk 11:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, yes, please, all of it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

• — Ched :  ?  00:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC) Like

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence

		The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence
		I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Misplaced Pages. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

ps: I would like to share this award with my br'er Rabbit, the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an artist who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For some reason, that made me think of you.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)

• http://wikipediocracy.com/
• http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/10/31/tis-the-season-to-be-banning-at-wikipedia/

• Mads Lange

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

"There Was an Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe"

You mentioned this article on my talk page earlier. The reason I did a bit of work on it was partly because it was pretty poor, but more selfishly I wanted to start an article on the topic of concealed shoes, and I didn't it want it to be immediately tagged as an orphan; I hate those tags. I've emailed Northampton Museum asking if someone from there could take a look at the article, and it would be good if you and/or your talk-page stalkers could have a quick look through as well, to see if there's anything that could do with a bit more explanation. I'm not asking for any kind kind of formal review, just a quick eyeball to see if there's anything obviously missing, or that doesn't make sense.

Cheers! (Yes, I've had a couple of glasses of wine, and perhaps you'll join me. I find it helps the creative juices to flow. ;-) ) George Ponderevo (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will look but not soon, want to get Fauré's Requiem to presentable until the composer appears as TFA on 4 November, translate a Bach cantata to German until Saturday and Der Handschuh asap, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Would you like me to take a look as well? Malleus Fatuorum 19:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure, all of them ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, later. Have to warn you though that I'm not really a Wikipedian, have never been a Wikipedian, and I scare away women, children and new editors. Allegedly. But I'll try and be gentle. Malleus Fatuorum 20:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

matching my Category:Wikipedians who are not part of The Community --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Brains Work Better Barnstar

		The 'Brains Work Better in A Community' Award
		You and I walk on the same side of the street. Thank you for all your efforts to befriend and assist your fellow Wikipedian Editors (WE). Bottom line: WE are all living breathing people that desire love. Your efforts have a cascading effect throughout WP. What's so bad about Peace, Love and Understanding? ```Buster Seven Talk 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again. (See above, not afraid that you will leave within a week ;) Thanks to Elen for the colour.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:FPC

Sorry about Colin. You are, of course, welcome to participate. I've actually noticed your name around, as I coded a lot of the WikiProject Opera backend - composer of the month and such, so I do see edits to it. =) Haven't really done mcuh in opera for a bit; should poke around my collection and see what comes out. Adam Cuerden 16:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, really, I am used to it ;) Colin is of course absolutely right that I support/recognize the quality contributions of banned editors. - Look above, we are striving for a politer expression for "toxic place" - and the desire to overcome it. - Music helps, go for it! Did you see "ban complaining" on my user page? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

ps: now I have to insert the ref for the sad news that another musician whose biography I wrote, died, Franz Lehrndorfer, teacher of our cantor, RIP, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

As promised:

Adam Cuerden 17:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Lovely and fitting, thank you ;) - Did you read civility and team spirit, my windmills? - Verbannet die Klage, "ban complaining", not "ban mourning", see? That was well before the last banning posse ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Heh. I could tell you some interesting stories about uncivil arbritrators, but think I shall refrain, as it was some time ago. Adam Cuerden 23:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Refrain, - a good refrain. The arbitrators were ok last time, it's Teh Community I am ashamed to be part of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Pony!
Congratulations! For helping me format my Pony Prize, you have received a pony! Ponies are cute, intelligent, cuddly, friendly (most of the time, though with notable exceptions), promote good will, encourage patience, and enjoy carrots. Treat your pony with respect and he will be your faithful friend! Montanabw 20:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Respect! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Gerda

Dear Gerda, I am too busy thinking about all sorts of silly things and forgot to send you a greeting for the New Year, if such things amuse you. At any rate I'm glad to see you are still here and have not been distracted by the Wikifollies (!) I saw The Hobbit (film) on IMAX 3-d the other day and thought it was awesome. Snow is settling on Ipswich tonight so it all looks very pretty by streetlight, if cold underfoot. I hope you have yet another brilliant year in WP and of course (far more important) a brilliant year in the Reality (whatever you construe that to be) which is The Great Outside... If there is such a thing as a Jahresentwicklung I hope that yours will be frohlich. - Season's greetings, (Steven) Eebahgum (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Steven, I appreciate your personal thoughts and wish you no less than the same! - I didn't send "individual" greetings but had Christmas music on my user, - a remnant is still there now like a motto: "ban complaining". It's not the same as "ban mourning", - look above and for sing praises ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Defender of the Integrity of Misplaced Pages

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Dear Gerda, it's always a struggle trying to defend the integrity of Misplaced Pages as a real encyclopedia, against the COMMONNAME philistines who keep wanting to dumb it down instead of redirecting to correct article titles. I'm awed by your efforts. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Z147

Legend

I like your ] legend.
All the best! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks should go to Wehwalt, who took the photo - thinking of a legend - and coined the phrase on his user, - perhaps I should credit him but thought the pic would tell those whose "inquiring mind wants to know", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ha, ha! Excellent! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

... and this is my real name ... never could understand the reason for a nom de plume ... but then it would be absurd to imagine that it is not my name –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 21:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Andreas Scholl

I've finished with the lead now Gerda, hope you think it does the subject justice. Ironically, now that the lead's been expanded, I much prefer the uncollapsed infobox (I might even prefer no infobox at all in this case, but that's a separate story). The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions". Malleus Fatuorum 04:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! (This is without looking yet, I trust your quality.) - Did you see that I took the picture (not the lead, the other)? Same day as the one of another church where he appeared and you liked. I will not touch the infobox until the "collapse discussion is over", see talk. - There should be more in it, will look into that later, see talk. - A good infobox should draw the interest of someone who just came to find one fact into reading the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I only looked at the lead Gerda. May I ask you a personal question? Is Gerda Arendt your real name? If you're suspicious about why I'm asking you then just email me and I'll explain, nothing sinister I promise. Malleus Fatuorum 07:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

If I was a suspicious person I would not write under my real name ;) - if you have time, go over the rest, - if you look at the history, you will see that it was started by a devotee, ready to mention every note he sang, I dropped a lot of that but a bit more of one style would be great. You won't believe how many people crowded our concert just to hear him. He said he would come again (about the highest praise a church choir can receive) but has no time for the next one, David Erler will sing alto then, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. I feel foolish editing under a pseudonym like "Malleus Fatuorum", and if my real name isn't already bagged I may request a change. Either way, I think a little more openness might go a long way. Malleus Fatuorum 07:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Good idea! - Good luck! (You will need it, because as far as I know Andy Mabbett tried the same, but was not permitted to change, that's how his signature got so long.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll see if my real name is available. Back on the subject of Scholls though, I've heard some old recordings of castrati. Can he really reach those high notes with his balls still in place? Malleus Fatuorum 07:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

There were soprano castrati and alto. He can singer everything alto, your recordings may be soprano. There are males who can those also. - His wonderful event for the Rheingau Musik Festival - 3 concerts in 3 churches in one day will be repeated this year (different programs and one church different)! - That festival could also use a better lead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

ps:for name changes, ask 28bytes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about the castrato article? Malleus Fatuorum 08:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

no time, need to talk to ArbCom and go to church ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Your friend

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you can find comfort in happy memories. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. - The funeral was yesterday, dear friends flew in from the US and are with us, - most important. There's always time for data, but not people, thanks for understanding that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

ps: he participated in writing this, but died gently from a stroke. If I wrote an article (but I know to little about his scientific accomplishments) it would be the forth for a friend who died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about this Gerda, who was it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for sending me the sapphire for fighting with love! I really appreciate that and all your help with Josiah Gregg who finally made it to the front page of DYK last night! I learned so much during this DYK nomination; the last four were almost too easy, but they were for articles I wrote from nothing to finished. This one got in trouble I think because of the old editor having issues with some other editors ... fortunately all past now. I think I will go back to editing California State Senate districts, rearranging Commons photos, or something in the shadows for a while. I have a couple of other articles to start that are already in lists of museums and lists of historic buildings, but there is so little published secondary material about things in Humboldt County, California that it is difficult to get more than a stub. Again thank you for the award, it really cheered me up this morning! I thank you again for all your help with our troublesome explorer who may or may not have fallen from a horse (or a mule) before or after his demise. The "Mad River" was most appropriately named I think. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ;) Do you know the photographer of the Yogo sapphire? He's working on Montana, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know User:Montanabw yet, he seems like a very nice person! I am mostly working on far northwestern California which is that bump that sticks out in the Pacific Ocean because of the Mendocino Triple Junction. It is a very wild area with steep mountains and many rivers - much like the part of Montana that the sapphires are from, but of lower coastal elevation! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Two authors mainly worked on the sapphire (a great example of teamwork, look at the history), PumpkinSky took the photo - the model for my award. I think its not a secret that both are my friends ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for the message of human support on my talk page and the beautiful precious stone you gave me there. A person's Infobox is a very common feature in most WP pages I know. It is almost a basic feature of historic person's pages on WP. I don't understant the opposition to it on the Handel page. It should be trivial IMO. In any case, thanks again. It is nice to start to follow the work of another awesome Wikpedian more closely. Keep up the great work you do here! warshy 18:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thought you deserve at least this much for all the help and support you gave me, right from my very first moment, oh and by the way I'm Back in action!!! Thanks once again for all Everything! The Wikimon (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, feels good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem too pleased to see me back... Anyways, Misplaced Pages servers must be working over time. I'm am unable to keep a page open for even a minute before reloading it. Nothing is opening quickly, links are slow and its pissing me off. Are you suffering from the same problem??? Its a real fist clenching anger!!! The Wikimon (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you. Look at my talk: I rarely use an exclamation mark, you got one! Read further, I miss friends, dead or gone, I have arguments with people I respect ... - No, loading is normal, normally slow, that is. - I get ready for Good Friday, and hope for Easter (we celebrate Monday also), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry

My bad regarding Washington Harbour, was about to change it back, but you beat me to it. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk)

No problem, happy that we agree ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we do agree. I simply "jumped the gun" because I prefer British spellings concerning issues dealing with the Commonwealth and American spellings when dealing with American ones. However, the development uses a British spelling. Should have checked that out first. Btw, we also agree on "Der fliegende Holländer" as being the proper title for that article. Sorry I missed out on that discussion. After a few months it needs to be revisited and be changed to "Der fliegende Holländer" (The Flying Dutchman), rather than the other way around. Best wishes. Dr. Dan (talk)

Thank you! Wagner's birthday is 22 May. Have a look if we also agree on at least a mini-infobox for Handel ;) (link above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	This is for your continuing work on the Bach Cantatas, in particular Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22 which I just chose as this month's Christian art in the Icthus Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 01:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I feel honoured, and encouraged to tackle the St Matthew Passion and the Mass in B minor as long term goals, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Easter music

Great choices! :) We did the Palestrina Sicut cervus too, and K. 194, and... a bunch of Anglican stuff that I don't remember :P ~ Riana ⁂ 06:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I am so grateful to my conductors! We (my first infobox!) will sing the Sparrow Mass in less than two hours in rehearsal (the only one with the orchestra), one hour later in the service. The others were last night, + smaller works. Happy Easter, to everyone reading this! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

"Kommt, eilet und laufet". Frohe Ostern, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

thanks for coming! (to another article with an infobox) - to you, too!

ANI Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jusdafax 05:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Your first, my first, responded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

When articles for individual performers, individual works, and even individual albums, can all have an infobox, I am still quite amazed that the article for a composer (and musician) as monumental as J. S. Bach should not be deemed worthy of an infobox. Is the argument that they "all look just the same"? Or is it just that he's so imporatnt that he transcends such mundane trivia? Regards, Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It's not Bach, it's an almost religious belief that "boxing" people is trivialising them, since 2005, look. I am sad that several good editors lost patience, last GFHandel, you know who before, - but my first barnstar was for resilience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

infoboxes for classical music composers

Καλό Πάσχα, Gerda!
I do think articles for composers and their works should have infoboxes. That said, I am saddened by what is going on here. Listening to Glenn Gould's 1981 recording of the Goldberg Variations right now, and wishing the whole mess hadn't happened. Ma è la via del mondo. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I was told it went on since 2005, - at least it was told well: Did you know that L'infobox infernale (The Hellish Infobox), an opera semiseria in 25 acts, is the longest running opera ever staged on Misplaced Pages? - A look at the proposed {{Infobox opera}}, especially its sample, is a good way to cheer up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The infobox saga seems more like a soap opera some days! LOL!  ;-) Montanabw 16:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Holzhausenschlösschen

I'm not quite sure I'm understanding this: "The Holzhausen family, one of the most important families of the free imperial city Frankfurt from 1245 ...". Is that saying that in 1245, for whatever reason, the Holzhausen family joined the ranks of Frankfurt's most important families? Or is it saying that Frankfurt became a free imperial city in 1245? It's the mention of that very specific year that's puzzling; in 1245 something happened that resulted in the Holzhausen family becoming one of the most important in Frankfurt? Malleus Fatuorum 10:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

We should probably untangle an overly long sentence. The source says "Von 1245-1923 gehörte sie zu den angesehensten Familien Frankfurts.", belonged to the most respected (?) families of Frankfurt. Frankfurt was a Freie Reichsstadt (without nobility) before. The fact about the builder trying to imitate the lifestyle of nobility is - unfortunately - in none of the online sources, the de-author will have gotten it from one of the books. The year doesn't have to be mentioned if the period can be described well. - Thanks for looking, I am uneasy about architecture terms! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I can hardly tell my corbels from my corbusier, so I'm just as uneasy as you are about architectural terms. Malleus Fatuorum 11:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Nicely put. I am not sure about garbed roofs and such. Should I ask Giano, although it seems not palacy enough, compared to his? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

It's well worth asking Giano, I've always found him to be very helpful. I'm not at all sure about that Mansard roof for instance, doesn't look like what I'd call a Mansard roof ... Malleus Fatuorum 12:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

One needs a long course in architecture to understand half the articles with architectural references on here. The average Listed Building articles is written in gobbledygook.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Only semi-gobbledygook. It's the maths articles that make full use of gobbledygook. Malleus Fatuorum 12:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

True.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I just learned the term here, with a link! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

If everyone followed your example this would be a much finer community, and we wouldn't have the problem with editor retention we do. But anyway -- just wanted to say thanks. Please continue! Antandrus (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Bach

Thank you for your note; I will try to clarify. My meaning was that infoboxes often do more harm than good, so the article is better without one. There are many ways that an infobox may oversimplify biographical details and mislead readers, as described by myself and several other editors on the Bach talk page. The Michelangelo infobox you asked me about is a good example: a reader learns little, and may be badly confused and misinformed. Here is a list of everything that is in the infobox:

The name of the article (useless repetition, because the reader already knows this)

An image (good, but an image does not need an infobox)

Birth name (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Date of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Place of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence below the TOC)

Date of death (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Place of death (not in the lede, but easy to find; I took a guess and clicked section 1.6 in the TOC "Last works in Rome" and there it was. I think learning how to use a TOC is a useful skill which should be encouraged, and if necessary we could make it even easier for readers by creating section 16.1 "Death")

Field (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Training (not very helpful, and misleading; the reader cannot know whether Ghirlandaio trained Michelangelo in sculpture, poetry, architecture, painting (or all of these) without reading the article, and the reader needs to read the article to know that Michelangelo studied sculpture under Bertoldo di Giovanni)

Movement (useless repetition, because Italian Renaissance and Renaissance man are in the first 2 sentences of the lede, and High Renaissance is in the last sentence of the lede)

Works (misleading; four works are listed; the reader who reads the infobox and not the lede may think Michelangelo produced only four works. One of the four works (The Creation of Adam) is actually part of another one (Sistine Chapel Ceiling), but the infobox makes it appear that they are separate.)

I will not repeat this time-consuming exercise for the Kafka infobox, but I hope this makes my objections more clear. It saddens me to think that "some readers will read the infobox only", although I believe you are correct in this statement. It is a good reason not to put an infobox in an article, because the reader who spends 20 seconds to read the first few sentences of the article will be so much better informed than the unfortunate person who looks at the infobox and imagines that the key facts are there. I think that an image with a caption, as now appears at the top of the Bach article, is best, so no need for any infobox.

I looked at the first category of biographical articles at Misplaced Pages:Featured articles and the numbers are 21 with infoboxes, 10 without, which proves there is no need to add one to every article. To me, it proves that a well-written article can meet the test for Featured Article status even when it is marred by an infobox! More seriously, I have already stated on the Bach talk page that I think infoboxes are somewhat helpful for certain biographies—especially athletes, where statistics are important and not much else is important. We need to know a runner's fastest times, and an infobox can supply these efficiently; we are not so interested in their philosophical beliefs, marriages, most important works, etc. I think most articles about athletes have infoboxes—although a moment ago I selected a random article about a runner to look at an infobox, and picked Arne Andersson because he's at the front of the alphabet, and you see that he does not have one. And still the important information is easy to find, right there in the lede where it belongs, and the article (which already has a succession box) looks better without a second box to crowd the text. Besides athletes, I think infoboxes are suitable for most politicians and some criminals (perhaps partly because the resemblance to a booking photograph appeals to me)... Surprisingly, some competitive activities where one would think infoboxes would be useful, like chess, are not very suitable to infobox presentation. For examples of how little an infobox adds that is not already in the lede, see José Raúl Capablanca and Tigran Petrosian.

Editors appear to be leaving Misplaced Pages because of this rather silly battle. Even your politely-worded suggestion on a talk page ignited a long and rancorous argument among many editors, and of course there was no consensus, so this was not a good use of anybody's time. I do not plan to initiate a campaign to remove the infobox from the Michelangelo article, even though I believe that this would be an improvement. There are better ways to improve Misplaced Pages. Ewulp (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed thoughts. Whatever you say about repetition does not reflect that an infobox should NOT add content, only structure it, to my understanding. No box can do justice to artistic creativity, but the same is true for any words. (I said so on Bach.) I was asked above to stop. Stop ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

PumpkinSky Prize

Thanks. Why 5 October 2010? Currently I am not very active (sometimes 100 edits in one moth). Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

You were named Awesome Wikipedian first that day (look at the link), then 6 April 2012 ;) - I look for more than a moment, some haven't contributed for a long time, but left something precious in the past, and so many different things, it's amazing - and a good reason not to give up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Such a wonderful editor, all of those Codex articles are superb!! Miss you being as active Janczuk.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Les!! Nice to see you. Hope all is well in RL. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:06, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Started Karlheinz Oswald.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Retention and return team Soliloquies

I just saw you congratulate Khazar. Which made me realize you may be the perfect person to ask for assistence. Just this morning I started a Page. Its just an idea I had in hopes of slowing down the number of retirees. If you know of some soliloques I could cut.n.paste and collect at that page, I would appreciate it. Ive coined a phrase that I love to share with the EotW recepients. It descibes you to a tea.....You are the Heartbeat of Misplaced Pages. Thanks for all you do for the Misplaced Pages Community. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

You can use an equisite one by that exact Khazar, should appear on top of my user talk archive 2011, was July 2011 (here) when BarkingMoon also left without saying more than Good riddance. - Fastily comes to mind, also try missed users, with the recent GFHandel which hurts a lot (he left after speaking for me, DYK?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Gerda. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Over the past few days, I've been finding out that, like many things, editing Misplaced Pages requires constant practice. We (ok, mostly you) created a lot of composer articles for the Munich Biennale, and now I have to work hard to remember everything that needs done. Let's see how I get on with creating Nikolay Strelnikov ... Scarabocchio (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Content, content, content - don't like ANI, - der Himmel lacht --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks......

....for your kind words as well as the "Award", received with thanks.

I certainly enjoy your daily updates on the DYK section of the WP Opera page. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Santa Fe, where we have a little opera company that has survived for 57 years or so.....Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Gerda, thank you for the beauty you left on my page and the kind comments. I do love blue stones more than any other. And thank you for spreading kindness on Misplaced Pages. Some days its really needed.(Somehow I missed your post on may page until now.)(olive (talk) 03:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC))

Thomas Gabriel (composer)

Voila.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 08:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you, see also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt, BWV 112

On 15 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt, BWV 112, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Bach composed Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt (The Lord Is My Faithful Shepherd) in 1731, to complete his 1724 cycle of chorale cantatas? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt, BWV 112. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Holzhausenschlösschen

On 15 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Holzhausenschlösschen, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the moated Baroque Holzhausenschlösschen, completed in 1729 as a summer residence of the Frankfurt Holzhausen family, has served as a cultural venue from 1989? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Holzhausenschlösschen. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Elizabeth Llewellyn

Thought you might be interested in this blossoming opera soprano. I have seldom seen so many enthusiastic reviews. Pity she hasn't yet moved beyond the ENO.--Ipigott (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I am, thank you! Please say something about her art in the lead, not only success;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

"Gesagt, gemacht" (as one of my Austrian bridge partners used to say)!--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

whereas we say "gesagt, getan". Can I interest you in Karlheinz Oswald, still showing remnants of translation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

BWV4

Hi. Sorry about the movement list. I took the designations from the PDF that comes with the Bachacademie CDs, but you're right, just listing them as versus is less misleading. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 19:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I like your help a lot! - BWV 4 was one I expanded, and didn't notice until now that the voice parts were missing in the structure. I would abbreviate them, as Dürr does, but the discussion (2010?) in Classical music was against it. - Working on BWV 103, also an expansion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Template:Bullying

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

Sorry, not my music, it's BWV 103 right now, for an absent friend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh that's all right. I really hate to see good editors (such as myself, having done 10 good articles and over 10 featured articles) leave the project. My music is And did those feet in ancient times, also for Dreadstar. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

See impact, if you can (and I thought I could archive it) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

speaking of impact, see also: balls or "Pumpkin in the sky with diamonds", 18 April 2012, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. You're such a sweetheart. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

By the way, is it possible to work on the Frederic Chopin article or the Benjamin Britten article? And before I go, do note that I have an exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I have the beloved composers on my watchlist, guess I need a translation for your tolerance issue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, having been involved with the project over 6 years, over 50,000 edits and have had at least a few successful GANs (without all of the Wiki-drama) and at least 6 successful FA nominations but guess what: it seems that Dreadstar is back! Meanwhile, I am working on Benjamin Britten in my sandbox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I am happy that Dreadstar cut his "vacation" short ;) - I still don't know what you mean by "exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute", regarding me. I am in several disputes, see Classical music or Bach ;) - A piece by Britten is on the to do list on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lichtental Church

On 17 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lichtental Church, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Lichtental Church (pictured), consecrated in 1730 to the Fourteen Holy Helpers, is known as the Schubertkirche, because Schubert was baptised and conducted his sacred music there? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lichtental Church. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Karlheinz Oswald

On 18 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Karlheinz Oswald, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Karlheinz Oswald created sculptures of Cardinal Volk, Pierre de Coubertin and Hildegard of Bingen? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Karlheinz Oswald. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Karlheinz Oswald

"Germany" did not exist in 1958; the country where Worms was located was called West Germany. GiantSnowman 11:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Germany didn't exist when I was born, I would still simply say Germany, unless it needs to be specified. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

"Germany didn't exist when I was born" has no bearing on the matter. When Oswald was born, the name of the country was "West Germany." Saying "Germany" is factually incorrect, it's like saying Julius Caesar was Italian. GiantSnowman 12:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You example doesn't fit. Italy wasn't split then re-united. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Er yes it was. GiantSnowman 12:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Did I have to be specific about Caesar's time, which was your example? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You argue for the country of birth in an infobox. Then please add the country of birth, not its common name for it. "West Germany" is no country. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You said, and I quote, "Italy wasn't split then re-united." It was. 0% of your statement was true. Oh, and West Germany clearly was a country. I am seriously baffled by your attitude here. GiantSnowman 13:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I read the article on West Germany, it says it's the common name for the "Federal Rebublic ..." - how can you say it's a country? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I looked again, don't find "West Germany" in the infobox of that article, - why should t be in others? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You've been here long enough to know that by now - are you simply trolling, or are you genuinely that ignorant? GiantSnowman 13:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Call me ignorant when I am learning ;) - Music has no nationality, project Classical music doesn't like infoboxes, I am new to the topic. - I still believe that a major city with a link doesn't need any country attached, but will find out elsewhere, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Aha, explains a lot :) - there is MOS out there on it, I am about to log of for an hour or so but will have a look when I am back. GiantSnowman 13:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

• FWIW from an American perspective - in the late 50s and into the 60s when I was growing up, we didn't consider it two "separate" countries so much as one "divided" country. I suppose in some ways Korea would be a more similar situation, although there's differences there as well. — Ched :  ?  12:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerda a troll? GiantSnowman I'm afraid you've been out in the sun too long causing melting. Go refrigerate yourself.. Should we begin to change all of the categories, Werner Herzog is an East German film director?? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you're drifting away from the discussion and into personal attacks, a sure sign that you have run out of arguments. Germany was whole, then it was divided, now it's whole again. End of story. Don't invoke India & Pakistan, that's an entirely different situation as well. Move on. DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 13:48, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have real doctorate Doctor Joe like myself? Imposter you. Giant Snowman is well aware of my ongoing "go melt" joke when things come to a head and knows it is intended in a light-hearted fashion, and we are on good terms, even if we don't always see eye to eye on some things. The irony is that you have a humour template on your user page Dr. Joe and unintentionally have just acted like the very "serious" wikipedians you're talking the mickey out of!! To be politically correct, West Germany yes, but most people refer to it as Germany as the Soviet Union they refer to as Russia. Sources added Gerda as required.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I was referring to Snowman calling Gerda a troll, and understood your attempt at levity. Apologies for interfering in your fun; I like humor as much as the next guy, but silly me, I thought we were trying to write an encyclopedia here. "Are you simply trolling, or are you genuinely that ignorant?" is an ad hominem, not funny -- and not, I suspect, an attempt at being funny -- and not constructive in the context of a supposedly academic discussion. Congratulations on your doctorate. DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 14:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Saying West Germany was not a country - what else can it be, other than trolling or ignorance? GiantSnowman 14:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You are entitled to your opinion that she is ignorant; but telling her so is neither going to decrease her alleged ignorance nor improve your ability to communicate with her. Read WP:CIVIL. DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 15:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Being ignorant of something is not necessarily a bad thing - and I am ignorant about far too much. Gerda above even says "Call me ignorant when I am learning ;)" The only one who has been offended here is you, maybe that tells you something? GiantSnowman 15:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It tells me that Gerda deflects ad hominems very skillfully, and that you haven't learned anything about civil conduct around here, but that's okay. I was just hoping to direct traffic back to the topic, since we're supposed to be writing an encyclopedia, not calling each other names. But I see that I've accomplished the opposite of what I intended and you're even further off topic, so my apologies, I should not have butted in. Forget that I was ever here. DoctorJoeE /_{talk to me!} 15:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You have taken us off topic; I am very much on topic. Look at the diff of the edit just before yours - it's little old me, pointing to MOS that supports my view. I'm also the only one to have commented on the article talk page - funny that. GiantSnowman 16:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

smile, doctores ;) - look who is addressed where, and don't confuse the above about Karlheinz Oswald, still on the Main page, with Matthias Eisenberg, neglected over this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, don't worry Doktor, I haven't actually melted - British spring is very disappointing this year ;) GiantSnowman 14:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It might help GiantSnowman's understanding of history to ponder why the article West Germany doesn't have an interwiki link to a corresponding article on the German Misplaced Pages. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It might help Michael Bednarek's understanding of Misplaced Pages to ponder that we are talking about the English Misplaced Pages, not the German Misplaced Pages. GiantSnowman 14:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah still chilly times this April, should keep you nice and solid LOL. I thought you were brandishing the civility stick fellow Dr., apologies for questioning your sense of humour. Well, we do use West German and East German films as categories but I don't think I've seen it applied to articles on actors. You do see it for athletes though. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It's on 99% of footballer articles - and ideally the other 1% are just wrong ;) GiantSnowman 15:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It makes sort of (political) sense, because they performed for one or the other political part. For this artist, I still think it makes no sense to speak of the politics at the time of his birth which didn't influence his work. KISS, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

MOS - "Many place names have a historical context that should be preserved." GiantSnowman 15:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Worms had many places in history. What would "West" add to "Germany" in this case, for the reader? "West" is a point of view, if you ask me, there is no "West" in "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" or its translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The official name might have been "Bundesrepublik Deutschland", the English-] (which is what we use on Misplaced Pages!) is "West Germany". In 1958, no country called "Germany" - or, some would argue, two did. Therefore having "West Germany" over "Germany" is factually accurate, is it not? GiantSnowman 16:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

No answer to the question: how does "West" help the reader? I would think that a simple "Germany" is even more "common". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that he was born in Germany, it says that he is German. Is there some doubt about that in your mind GiantSnowman? Malleus Fatuorum 17:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, you're talking about the infobox. Those damn things are far more trouble than they're worth. Malleus Fatuorum 17:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It is factually inaccurate to say plain ol' "Germany" - that is harming the reader by giving out false information. GiantSnowman 17:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

My POV: "West Germany" is not accurate, "Germany" is not, - let's keep it simple: Germany. No more here, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Fine then - to WP:DR we go. You've contradicted yourself btw. GiantSnowman 17:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You have a curious understanding of the meaning of the word "harm" GiantSnowman, and apparently too much time on your hands if you're so animated about Germany/West Germany. It isn't "false information" to say that Worms is in Germany, but rather than have another of these interminable arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin why don't we just say "Worms, Federal Republic of Germany" in the infobox? Or better still, get rid of the infobox? Malleus Fatuorum 17:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

A perfectly reasonable compromise - though of course the article on the "Federal Republic of Germany" is... West Germany! GiantSnowman 17:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Only because that was the name we used in the West, not because it was the official name of the country. Malleus Fatuorum 17:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Blame WP:COMMONNAME, not me. GiantSnowman 18:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It would not be the first time that I blame common name, it's sometimes all too common. Talking a bit of logic: is there any doubt that "West Germany" still is "Germany". We want to know where a place is, right, not politics at birth. They might be interesting for someone whose biography was shaped by east-west-conflict, not this one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, Gerda, Gerda, this an argument that rages all over Misplaced Pages, even at the level of English counties. Was L. S. Lowry born in Lancashire or Greater Manchester for instance? The only thing you can do is to go with what the area was called at the time of the subject's birth. In Lowry's case Lancashire, even though Stretford is now in Greater Manchester. Malleus Fatuorum 19:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

MF - my precise argument. We must represent the historical birth place. That is determined by MOS and common sense. GiantSnowman 19:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I have some talent to hit the raging arguments (Moonlight Sonata, Infobox, Der fliegende Holländer) ;) - thanks for your compromise, I can live with that. - It's a bit tricky for me to accept that West Germany seems to mean more here than a geographical term, - and for a political term it's just not precise enough. If some day I feel there is too little torture in this place I will start a move request, DYK? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

This has got to be the lamest discussion I've seen in at least the last two days (wikipedia being full of lame discussions). He was born in Worms, which today is in Germany. No one disputes where he was born. Just link to the city and be done with it. Montanabw 19:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

bzzt: that's where we started, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

"bzzt"? ... Ahhh ...the memories that come to mind. :) — Ched :  ?  20:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

"you are strongly requested not to use uncollegial shorthand such as "bzzt" ... as edit summaries" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Started Heinz Hemrich.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Zeichenstaub

On 19 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Zeichenstaub, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that composer Graham Waterhouse was the cellist in a performance of his string trio Zeichenstaub at his former school, playing the U.K. premiere with two members of the Münchner Philharmoniker? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zeichenstaub. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Panyd 08:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Darmstädter Sezession.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103

Gerda, I just took at look at this when I saw it in Prep 2 and realized there was something not quite right grammatically. I did make a change, but I discovered that PumpkinSky's review and promotion all in one (which really should not be done) was incomplete: this is not quite a 5x expansion. It's close—1004 prose characters before to 4893 after—so that if you'll add another 127 characters today to get it to the magic 5020 it will be set and we can leave it where it is so it can run on April 22 (not a Sunday, but the anniversary date). BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I will expand a bit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

See the edit summary. It was time sensitive. IAR.PumpkinSky talk 20:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I expanded it by teh rulez in time. Will have to understand some day why a new 1,5k article is good enough for DYK but +4k is not, only because there was a stub that was barely useful to start with, not much of it remained, - next will be GA, after all the expnsion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. It looks great. Best of luck at GAN! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for your kind note on my talk page, most unexpected. It's great to receive feedback from others - it helps to remind us that this is a collaborative effort, even if it doesn't feel like it sometimes! I am sure your initiative has helped to retain numerous editors and you should be commended for your continuing good work in this field. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Martin Krumbiegel.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Vilde Frang, thanks!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again, but before the next one, please source the former ;) No interwiki links please, add to Wikidata. Vilde Frang played the concerto by Sibelius in the Tonhalle, and just the other day she was on radio with Korngold, live from Philharmonie (Cologne)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

If I have to fiddle about with wikidata there might not be a next one..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, I'll do Wikidata, you just leave the "translated" template on the talk. That needs to be there anyway, while it's an extra step to remove the old-fashioned link ;) (fiddle was a nice wording for a violinist!) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Stating translated from German wikipedia in the edit summary is OK for attribution, but yes articles should really have translation templates in the talk pages.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I added them to all articles we recently did - a lot! (Edit summary is only for insiders.) - I added the Wikidata for her to eight or so other languages, it's as easy as going to Wikidata, enter the article title in the search function, find a record, and add the new language, just "en" and the title, eeeeasy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead, source "her", need to go, - there are plenty of prizes, recordings and sources (I added 2 to ext links), - great DYK potential! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Berthold Possemeyer

On 21 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Berthold Possemeyer, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that baritone Berthold Possemeyer performed songs by John Dowland, Gerald Finzi and Thomas Morley in a parody chamber musical after Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Berthold Possemeyer. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103

On 22 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that with "enormous dramatic impact", Bach inserted a recitative for the voice of Christ in the opening chorus of his cantata Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Und Gerda hat ein ander! PumpkinSky talk 02:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI

I have opened up a program similar to the one you are operating at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Golden Editor. I seem to recall you expressing support for my possibly doing so in the past, but I figured I should leave a note here anyway. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Best news is that I can move you on our sad list (again)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate the work you do and look forward to working along side you now. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I like yours! In your introduction, you may mention that it wasn't my idea, I copied Rlevse, he continued Phaedriel, others did it also ... - or just link to User:Gerda Arendt/PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I have made a small change to reflect that. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:RBN

Spending a few days away from wikipedia it is easy to lose track of what is going on. I've set up a base for myself, Rosie and Nvv to organize our work from at Misplaced Pages:Rosblofnari. I hope you don't mind but I've added a section for yourself to list articles which have been expanded. I just think its a better way of organizing our collaborations without having to notify everybody and dig through talk pages. If you'd rather me just let you know on your talk page let me know, but I'd be grateful if you could use the page to list the DYKs on so I know what you've nominated and can keep track of it, and you can also list articles there between us which (needs more sources), I just think it's best overall to keep track of it. If you put it on your watchlist you can view ones I've translated needing proofing etc♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, a list of "my" articles, most of them with you, is on my user (following the example of BarkingMoon), - feel free to copy parts of it to your place. I try to keep the list up to date, also try to list DYK noms on the articles' talk, I try ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

In the list, "nom" means nominated for DYK, "DYK" means approved, a link there takes you to the archive, and a date without link means it was mentioned with a bolded article that date, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I will from now on mention red links I would like to turn blue there, not on your talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, OK, but naturally we'll still chat and I'll alert you here of translations!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

St. Lamberti, Hildesheim♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you!, will nominate that, Krumbiegel and Frang. If you want Darmstadt Sezession, do it, not much missing, but I don't have the time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Matthias Eisenberg

Hello! Your submission of Matthias Eisenberg at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER 10:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't really belong to Template:Did you know nominations/Matthias Eisenberg: I may have a language problem. It is unusual that a Protestant Church musician and a Jewish Israeli (mostly) Klezmer clarinetist play together, because their culture is different and their approach to music is different. Why do you think of hate? I think of peace. I heard them, that concert and others - they succeed making a statement for peace! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Let me be clear on this: I'm not accusing you of racism or antisemitism! My problem was that the particular Eisenberg hook could be seen as accusing Germany or Israel of racism. By claiming it's unusual for a German and an Israeli to perform together, you could be seen to be implying that Germans and Israelis normally try to avoid each other like the plague. —♦♦ AMBER 15:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

But I didn't. I said it's unusual for a Protestant German church musician and a Jewish Israeli Klezmer clarinetist to play together, for difference of culture. To see that reduced to anything about race, is beyond my understanding. Protestant and Jewish are terms of religion not race, German and Israeli are nationalities not race. - Next time: I watch my nominations, no need for a "problem" template here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Look, I'm sorry if I offended you yesterday, because that was never the point of it all. All I was trying to do was keeping the main page clear of implied accusations. I follow WP:AGF and have never for a second doubted your good intentions. —♦♦ AMBER 10:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Look, you didn't offend me. I just wasn't happy to see your "implied accusations" (that I still can't quite follow) worded so strongly. - I like to make known (DYK) that musicians play together, wherever they come from. - I will not avoid you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Adrian Boult

Thank you for that link, Gerda. I was also pleased to see my beloved Arthur Sullivan at the top of the list. Tim riley (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I hope you not too disappointed to realise that the list is by year of birth ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes no is the best answer.

I saw your question to user:The Interior. I am happy to tell you that no is the answer. I had noticed this edit in relative real time and was very quick to respond. I started to email you and ask that you post a message; actually writing the email. But I didn't send it because I didn't want to orchestrate sincerity. I am so very glad to see that you arrived on your own, and even more delighted to see that you had already made a day precious in this user's name; for clearly they are. Just as you are still awesome. My76Strat (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

good news, yes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

	Love the shirt!
	Just got the shirt through the Merchandise Giveaway Programme. Thanks for your vote of confidence!  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Becoming! (Much better than "Mourning becomes ...") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Ulrich, Vienna

Gerda, I just noticed that this article is lacking inline source citations for the Location section and for the paragraph/sentence on the organ. Can you please supply them? It seems silly for it to be pulled back from the queue as long as the fixes can be made in short order. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

can't the website be the source for the location? who else would know, all other sources can only take it from there? - I need to go for several hours now. If there's no other help, please comment it out. perhaps ask Dr. Blofeld, I more or less only copy-edited, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, if we comment out that much information, the article doesn't qualify for minimum length. Doing a quick Google translate of the church's webpage in that citation, I don't see any material that covers the location wording. I don't have time myself to search through the various church web pages, translating as I go. As it's your nomination, I'll let you take it from here when you get back, whether that involves find the right source pages or asking Dr. Blofeld. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I did what I could, would appreciate a bit of AGF to the German Misplaced Pages for what is still missing. - The source will be in the literature, but I don't have it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, that's great. Everything's set. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Cornflower Blue Sapphire

Thank you noticing my work. DavidinNJ (talk) 12:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

not easy to overlook it, on top of the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Ulrich, Vienna

On 26 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Ulrich, Vienna, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 1750 Paul Troger painted the altarpiece Vision of St. Ulrich at the Battle of Lechfeld for the church St. Ulrich in Vienna? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St. Ulrich, Vienna. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Looks good! Started Spandauer Kirchenmusikschule.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you, several more red links;) - Looks: I thought St. Severin, Keitum looked good with a little infobox that tells you "Lutheran" simply by colour. Sure, it could be expanded, I only said "start" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

would this be usable as a source? - infobox returned, please feel free to add to it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it's a mirror source.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

It's called a Taschenbuch (pocket book), looks like more than a mirror, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Gabriel (composer)

On 28 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Gabriel (composer), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Thomas Gabriel (pictured) composed the Missa mundi for World Youth Day 2005, representing the continents in style and instrumentation with pan flute, sitar, drums and didgeridoo? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Gabriel (composer). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)

Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

First ever Wiki Angel Award

		The Wiki Angel Award
		Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.PumpkinSky talk 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — Ched :  ?  18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

It means a lot to me. StAnselm (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Gerda, thank you for the lovely sapphire and awesome Wikipedian award. I really do appreciate it. It is nice to have one's efforts noticed. Keep up the good work on improving our coverage of Bach, buildings and musical people (including Vilde!). Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I heard her playing Sibelius in the Tonhalle, a revelation! - was tempted to ask DYK ... that Norwegian violinist VF played the concerto by Finnish JS in the Swiss Tonhalle with a German orchestra conducted by their Japanese-American chief conductor? - Just today I translated to German a professor who teaches in Switzerland and Norway. You could probably translate that, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Translate Bernhard M. Hämmerli? To Norwegian? Manxruler (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

If you like - a stub will do - I took the picture ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Nice picture. I'm afraid I never do any work over at Norwegian Misplaced Pages, so sorry about that. Manxruler (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

no problem - I do very little in German myself, they have too many rulez ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Good, good. On my part, I find the Norwegian Wiki to be a bit lacking in rules, or even a critical attitude to information. :) Manxruler (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you explain the difference between no and nn? It was nn to present all Bach cantatas first, then fr, now en (but some are stubs), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I'll try and explain the difference, to the best of my ability. Here we go.

Norway has two official written versions of Norwegian, bokmål (no) and nynorsk (nn). Bokmål translates pretty much to "book tongue" and nynorsk to "new Norwegian". With Old Norse disappearing in late Medieval times (mostly due to the Plague killing off many literate people), Danish eventually took over (Norway being in an uneven personal union with Denmark). Over time, all written language used by Norwegian was Danish, and people spoke various dialects with varying influence by Danish. That why we can't really communicate very well with the Icelanders or Faroese people in their own language (they're the people who are closest linguistically to Old Norse today). Up until the 1880s there was no point in printing separate Riksmaal (today's bokmål) dictionaries, seeing as the written language was so close to written Danish (the words were and still are pronounced very differently in Denmark and Norway, Norwegians just don't have the ability to pronounce words the way the Danes do, we're closer to the Swedes pronunciation-wise). Even today, Norwegians can easily pick up say a Danish book and read it, even children (I read Danish history books and comics 20+ years ago when me and my family holidayed in Denmark).

Anyway, in the mid-19th century a man called Ivar Aasen started collecting the various dialects of Norway, to create a new Norwegian written language, closer to how people spoke. Travelling most of the country (except the far north), he created Landsmaal (today's nynorsk), in contrast with Riksmaal.

Nynorsk is most commonly used in the south-west of Norway, while bokmål dominates most of the rest of the country (it's like 10% nynorsk users and around 90% bokmål users. Everyone in Norway are taught both versions of written Norwegian, which is somewhat unpopular with many school kids (of the bokmål kind). Research shows, however, that learning two versions of Norwegian makes it easier to learn foreign languages.

Up until 2006, it was the official goal of the Norwegian authorities to merge the two written languages into a single samnorsk Norwegian, but that's been dropped. Even still, reforms have brought the two written languages closer together, even since I was in school.

Whenever government authorities receive a letter from someone in the public, they are bound to reply to the writer in the version of Norwegian s/he has chosen to use, which can lead to comedic situations.

The languages aren't really that dissimilar, If one knows one, then understanding the other is not very problematic. For immigrants, of course, it can be a bit challenging, but so can the intense Norwegian loyalty to spoken dialects (people rarely switch dialect when speaking to people not from their area). "My" written language is bokmål, although my spoken dialect is closer to nynorsk (and although the municipality where I grew up is officially "neutral" language-wise). No-one speaks nynorsk, nor do anyone speak bokmål, they're just written languages, although some dialects are closer to the written languages than others.

Misplaced Pages-wise, my impression is that the nynorsk version is better, as regards quality. Not sure why, but it looks that way to me. There are fewer nynorsk writers, and maybe they're more quality-oriented? Prouder, perhaps? Pure speculation on my part, of course.

Easy, right? ;) Manxruler (talk) 05:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Helpful, thank you! If it's not yet in an article it should go there. - I am more active in the Norwegian wiki than you, then. I just made two edits, - what should I give as an edit summary here? - What's 14 in letters? The article speaks about closing chorale #14 and then said - until I changed now, never looked before - it's in 15 movements, - is that what you mean about quality? The complete listing of the cantata text should be dropped, but I am not bold enough to do so ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

For the fun of it, I placed a Norwegian on top here ;) - did you know about the sapphire (not "mine", I had a Bach cantata in DYK)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. The articles we've got on Nynorsk and Bokmål aren't the best. We'll see, it's not my usual area of editing, but we'll see. Well, 14 is "fjorten" (quite similar to Vierzehn, really). I'm of course not familiar with the Norwegian Misplaced Pages lingo, but I'd say something like: "Retter stavingen av flere tyske ord. Dessuten er "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor ikke en del av stykket" And I just noticed it's the nynorsk version, so the above is incorrect, correct version (according to my old nynorsk dictionary) is: 14 is fjorten. (quite similar to Vierzehn, really) I'm of course not familiar with the Nynorsk Norwegian Misplaced Pages lingo, but I'd say something like: "Retting av stavinga av fleire tyske ord. Dessutan er "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor" ikkje ein del av stykket"(In English: correcting the spelling of German words, besides "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor" is not part of the piece). That should do it. Big difference between Bokmål and Nynorsk, right? Manxruler (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Words are not enough

	Angel of sweet kindness
	Your support while I was having a rough time and then your warm welcome back upon my return are indescribably heartwarming and most welcome...thank you! Dreadstar ☥ 15:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I hope you realise that I was selfish: I wanted you to stay! I see too many who give up or find better things to do. Feel free to join my red cat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Matthias Eisenberg

On 30 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Matthias Eisenberg, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former Gewandhaus organist Matthias Eisenberg was made an honorary professor in 2003 by the Prime Minister of Schleswig-Holstein for his contributions to organ music? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Matthias Eisenberg. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sir Adrian

Gerda, what a pleasing note from you on my talk page! You are too kind, but I walk a little taller for that beautifully-phrased compliment. Tim riley (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Farewell

I am sending this message to the users who I have closely collaborated with. I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well, so I have more important things to worry about. I, however, will be here to contribute to some articles that I have worked on. Until then, farewell. With my very best and warmest regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Huge Heart Barnstar.
		For all the kindness that you show to your fellow editors, User:Keilana has said that you, Gerda, deserve this award.

Thank you so much, also for taking care of all those women scientists! How many hits did your "organ"-related DYK get? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC) ps: checked myself, 15,299, congrats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC) Thoroughly deserved!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Maria Tallchief

Did you want to make a decision on Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Tallchief or should I ask for a second opinion? Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Peace Concert - Ben Davies

Dear Gerda, Thankyou for your remarks about the article I began on Ben Davies (something like 28 March)... His style of singing belongs to another era. I am not really functioning much at the moment but I do notice your friendly remarks! And am heartened by them. One of the singers I most enjoyed investigating was Karl Erb. Though I probably got it all wrong - I was reading from Maria Müller-Gögler's book. I wish there was a recording of him singing Pfitzner's Palestrina (opera) but we have Julius Patzak (twice I think) to make up for it. - Happy Easter/Whitsuntide. Steven. PS I expect someone else began it and I added to it...

I mentioned Erb in Evangelist (Bach), thanks for letting me know! - Palestrina was shown in Frankfurt recently, that may mean 2 or 3 years ago, time flies. Did you see what we sang for Easter? (User archive 2013, link on my user) Whitsun: William Lloyd Webber Mass "Prince of peace" here on Sunday, "Veni Sancte Spiritu" by Mozart, K. 47, very ambitious for a boy, here on Monday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

You are a Golden Editor!

	Good as gold!
	For all the times you have brightened someone's day by declaring them 'Precious', you are a Golden Editor. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, precious! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

New

Gottfried Grote.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, started ce - ran into ec, will wait a bit now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've started Friedrich Wilhelm Rust but hidden the automated text to avoid people sniffing about at it...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Will look later, Thursday, you know. Perhaps get the DNB over (if there), that adds solidity: simply change "DNB-Portal" to "DNB Portal" and drop everything after the number, replace "Normdaten by "Authority control", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful work on Friedrich Wilhelm Rust!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You found good refs! Interesting fellow, DYK for sure ;) - If you look at some of his links, there's even more, - played welltempered from memory might be a hook, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you see that Nikkimaria did a lot? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't no, excellent job Nikkimaria!! I've forwarded it to Rosblofnari as a collaboration.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Opera days

Dear Gerda, If you haven't used it yet you might get a reference to May Night by R. Korsakov in about now!! Not that we are having any May nights, they feel more like February mornings. I have a fine old recording of this opera with Sergei Lemeshev, great stylist that he was. About 1950. Nothing like a drowned fairy or two to cheer up an opera. Eebahgum (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Good idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)