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| I fear our "olive branch" is off to a poor start. You have already falsely accused me of potentially "defamatory" violation of BLP for reporting Palmer's statement that North wants to stone gays to death. You fail to note that 1) Palmer specifically cites and mentions a non-personal source from Reason Magazine for this claim, which were in the article before they were "cleansed" a day or so back. 2)this claim has made been at a host of RS. For instance, at http://www.alternet.org/story/40318/public_stoning%3A_not_just_for_the_taliban_anymore, it is asserted that "North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed). Both friends and foes label him "Scary Gary." Please read up on these facts (I'd encourage visisting the Good Doctor North's ]) and try not to jump to (false and insulting) conclusions in the future, much less publicly make them on my talk page. ] (]) 21:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | I fear our "olive branch" is off to a poor start. You have already falsely accused me of potentially "defamatory" violation of BLP for reporting Palmer's statement that North wants to stone gays to death. You fail to note that 1) Palmer specifically cites and mentions a non-personal source from Reason Magazine for this claim, which were in the article before they were "cleansed" a day or so back. 2)this claim has made been at a host of RS. For instance, at http://www.alternet.org/story/40318/public_stoning%3A_not_just_for_the_taliban_anymore, it is asserted that "North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed). Both friends and foes label him "Scary Gary." Please read up on these facts (I'd encourage visisting the Good Doctor North's ]) and try not to jump to (false and insulting) conclusions in the future, much less publicly make them on my talk page. ] (]) 21:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :I think you better look hard at the real reasons that you are violating so many policies and being so reluctant to listen to anything anyone says; I think it's physical, frankly. I am going to withdraw from communication with you until others deal with the issue or til tomorrow when I won't be too burned out to do a WP:ANI. '']''<big>🗽</big> 21:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
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- Thanks! Hopefully will make my life easier!! CarolMooreDC🗽 02:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
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Are you an admin? Very sorry to hassle you, but I have an IP persistently trying to add highly dubious claims without so much as citing a source. I know the Mau Mau Uprising can be contentious, but that is no excuse for repeatedly trying to introduce unsourced material into the article. Are you able to add protection so IPs cannot edit the page? Sorry. LudicrousTripe (talk) 16:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- No, I'm not. Go to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and provide diffs which help. CarolMooreDC🗽 18:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Whoops, forgot to say thanks for getting back to me and for the helpful link to this An/I thing! So... thanks! LudicrousTripe (talk) 20:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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Ron Paul
Thanks. (Take a look at the citations. An error was produced.) – S. Rich (talk) 17:28, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- didn't see offhand. were you going to fix? As I said in talk, when things calm down and I remember I'm going to verify his use of sources and may fix bare urls - and remove any that look like more there for pure POV padding. ;-( CarolMooreDC🗽 19:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- Update: I fixed it. – S. Rich (talk) 02:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
halbrook
I have started the Stephen Halbrook article. Surprised there wasn't one already. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- Great. Will watch and see what I can add! CarolMooreDC🗽 21:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- What is your intent for the your verify tag you put on the article? Gaijin42 (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I was wondering what that source says that's worth putting in, since it's not on the books.google page. I'm sure there are lots of articles that say the same thing - except possibly "controversial" which the first ref doesn't say directly. Does it say he's controversial? Other sources don't say that and, except for the one criticism, text doesn't look too much like he's controversial. thanks. CarolMooreDC🗽 01:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- that particular text does not say that. I just used that as the first ref as it is a dictionary of notable people on the topic, so it seemed like a good way to jump the GNG hurdle. The controvercial bit I think is a carrot to the gun control editors, and is probalby not to difficult to source from some liberal column discussing him Gaijin42 (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Then we should use a specific source and attribute it. Controversial is not necessarily bad, but it should be sourced. I'm bogged down in yard work and personal stuff and putting out wiki fires, so hopefully next week I can add some good stuff to his article. CarolMooreDC🗽 15:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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Olive branch
We may not like or have high regard for each other, but the tone of your and my comments/edits needs to get better. We both need to focus on content rather than contributors (i.e. you should cease focusing on me and me on you). While you are welcome to voice complaints about my conduct to the right venues, I ask that in future edits and disputes related to content, you keep the personal stuff and loaded languageout of it, and I pledge to do the same. Failing to live up to this commitment is clearly at odds with WP guidelines and will undermine this community. I hope you agree with my view that we both need to make a change in this regard and join me in trying to make it happen. Steeletrap (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- The good news is I reminded myself to treat this just like I treat articles in the Israel-Palestine issue; overwhelm the nasty stuff with good WP:RS info in a Wikipolicy correct fashion so most readers never even get there. However, note that noticeboards are the place where one can comment (politely) on POVs and I will feel free to do so when if feel it relevant and necessary. I think your POV comes out pretty quickly on most article talk pages anyway, so I shouldn't have to play Paul Revere anymore.
- Note that you should stop claiming you know what my political views are and I don't have to declare them.
- You do know that doing opposition research and making claims about who you think people are can be looked at as WP:outing (unless they obviously are using a company/orgs IP or editing their own article, and even then there are proper procedures to follow). At the least get you looked on as being very tacky.
- And POVs aren't illegal here anyway; just messing with policy. Running around to policy boards yelling about violations of policy that you don't understand can just make you look foolish. (It took me almost 3 years before I went to one and you see how assertive I am!)
- COI-wise, the only people I'm getting any substantial money from is myself from all the money I put into social security for the 30 years I bothered to pay it (at least til the debt is repaid, which may or may not be before SS collapses.) But you won't find me writing Wiki articles singing social securities praises. And I don't think anybody cares about who I got the $164 of other income from last year...but it wasn't Lew Rockwell. CarolMooreDC🗽 18:27, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it looks like progress is being made. E.g., you two are exchanging actual WP:love to one another! – S. Rich (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Carol, just speaking as a fly on the wall. My personal reaction to your talk messages is not that you're being assertive at all but just that you are expressing personal rage. The rage is so overwhelming that I can not find any underlying assertion of substance or dialogue that could promote communication or resolution the issues between you and Steeletrap. Just my personal reaction, and I am not expecting any response and please do not be offended. SPECIFICO talk 18:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Generally speaking males often experience strongly held and clearly expressed female
ideaswords or writings as psychotic rage. Have you heard about the Wikimedia Gender Gap project to bring more women into wikimedia/pedia so males will get more used to it? CarolMooreDC🗽 18:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)- That insinuation is not conducive to the dialogue, Carolmoore. 1) Even if your "general" statement regarding double-standards to which women are subject true (and I think it very likely is), it does not follow that every accusation of rage toward women is motivated by sexism. 2) Even if you think it is justified to insinuate that SPECIFICO is motivated by a sexist sentiment (and I consider there to be no justification whatsoever for that belief), claiming he is motivated by sexism constitutes WP:PA. I cannot speak for SPECIFICO, but I hope we can get passed all of this stuff, and argue specifically over content rather than contributors. Steeletrap (talk) 18:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- There's a difference between pure sexism and just not being familiar enough with (dare I say ignorant of) certain types of people in certain situations to react to and deal with them in a rational manner. I don't have kneejerk reactions to others foolishness, though sometimes I do make fun of it. CarolMooreDC🗽 19:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- What is a "female idea?" Please do not be sexist. If you do not like my ideas, please do not attack me for my gender. SPECIFICO talk 19:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- See clarification above to "words and writings". CarolMooreDC🗽 19:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Carol, I am a transgender person who does not identify with my birth gender, so I am not unsympathetic to your *general* statement about subtle biases. But WP:PA still applies. Suppose I were in an edit war with a social conservative who is aware of my identity and whom I regard as acting snidely toward me; I may speculate to myself about her or his motives, but I still have to abide by WP regulations, and calling them out as "transphobic" would constitute a PA. I also must say I do not see strong (or any, really) evidence of sexist bias on SPECIFICO's part. Steeletrap (talk) 19:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- You have your opinions and I have mine. But enough of this conversation because it's starting to feel like Misplaced Pages:Harassment because it is getting off topic into repeated and increasingly unwelcome issues of politically correct ideology and personal style and not POVs or actual edits. CarolMooreDC🗽 19:47, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Carol, I am a transgender person who does not identify with my birth gender, so I am not unsympathetic to your *general* statement about subtle biases. But WP:PA still applies. Suppose I were in an edit war with a social conservative who is aware of my identity and whom I regard as acting snidely toward me; I may speculate to myself about her or his motives, but I still have to abide by WP regulations, and calling them out as "transphobic" would constitute a PA. I also must say I do not see strong (or any, really) evidence of sexist bias on SPECIFICO's part. Steeletrap (talk) 19:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- See clarification above to "words and writings". CarolMooreDC🗽 19:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- That insinuation is not conducive to the dialogue, Carolmoore. 1) Even if your "general" statement regarding double-standards to which women are subject true (and I think it very likely is), it does not follow that every accusation of rage toward women is motivated by sexism. 2) Even if you think it is justified to insinuate that SPECIFICO is motivated by a sexist sentiment (and I consider there to be no justification whatsoever for that belief), claiming he is motivated by sexism constitutes WP:PA. I cannot speak for SPECIFICO, but I hope we can get passed all of this stuff, and argue specifically over content rather than contributors. Steeletrap (talk) 18:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Generally speaking males often experience strongly held and clearly expressed female
- Carol, just speaking as a fly on the wall. My personal reaction to your talk messages is not that you're being assertive at all but just that you are expressing personal rage. The rage is so overwhelming that I can not find any underlying assertion of substance or dialogue that could promote communication or resolution the issues between you and Steeletrap. Just my personal reaction, and I am not expecting any response and please do not be offended. SPECIFICO talk 18:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it looks like progress is being made. E.g., you two are exchanging actual WP:love to one another! – S. Rich (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
New discussion of LRC/AIDS Denial/Fringe Science issue
This one relates to NPOV. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Concerns_on_WP:Undue_regarding_AIDS_Denial_and_LewRockwell.com. You are encouraged to comment but I ask that you please keep it content related, and recommend that you make your posts concise and limited so we don't flood out the main point of the discussion again. (I was a bad offender there with all the wordy posts!) Steeletrap (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Gary North stoning
I fear our "olive branch" is off to a poor start. You have already falsely accused me of potentially "defamatory" violation of BLP for reporting Palmer's statement that North wants to stone gays to death. You fail to note that 1) Palmer specifically cites and mentions a non-personal source from Reason Magazine for this claim, which were in the article before they were "cleansed" a day or so back. 2)this claim has made been at a host of RS. For instance, at http://www.alternet.org/story/40318/public_stoning%3A_not_just_for_the_taliban_anymore, it is asserted that "North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed). Both friends and foes label him "Scary Gary." Please read up on these facts (I'd encourage visisting the Good Doctor North's Misplaced Pages entry) and try not to jump to (false and insulting) conclusions in the future, much less publicly make them on my talk page. Steeletrap (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- I think you better look hard at the real reasons that you are violating so many policies and being so reluctant to listen to anything anyone says; I think it's physical, frankly. I am going to withdraw from communication with you until others deal with the issue or til tomorrow when I won't be too burned out to do a WP:ANI. CarolMooreDC🗽 21:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)