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"GODDESSY" or "Goddessy"?

Much of this section is copied from the archive page. I didn't move it, thinking that the archive might make a bit more sense without its removal. -- Hoary 23:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Capitals

While User:GODDESSY is of course fully entitled to her choice of orthography for her username, there's no reason for the article to refer to her/Adams's company, website, etc. as "GODDESSY", unless perhaps it's primarily referred to in conversation as "gee-oh-dee-dee-ee-ess-ess-wie", which I find hard to believe. Compare Sony Corporation, for example: the last time I looked, the company was consistently referring to itself as "SONY", and Misplaced Pages rightly ignores this. -- Hoary 07:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

PS on URLs, see below. -- Hoary 02:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

PPS (i) I later noticed that in the US (which isn't where I happen to live), Sony does now call itself "Sony". But Sanyo still systematically calls itself "SANYO". (ii) For URLs, see the talk archive page; but in brief, I point out that domain names are not case-sensitive (though what follows the first single slash is indeed case-sensitive). -- Hoary 23:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization

Previously, the page referred repeatedly to "GODDESSY", all in caps. I changed this to "Goddessy". My rationale was given above, under the title "Capitals". The users who sign their contributions "GODDESSY" didn't respond directly, but they did reply under "The Subject: Stephanie Adams": "GODDESSY is placed in all caps for a reason, as clearly sited here: http://www.GODDESSY.com/PressInformation/GODDESSYAndSorceress.htm (URL is case sensitive, so place GODDESSY in caps.)"

I've commented on URLs here. As for the FULL CAPS other than in URLs, GODDESSYAndSorceress.htm tells us: "GODDESSY" is placed in all capital letters in order to stress the importance of spirituality in life. Whether we choose to or not, we all go through some sort of spiritual journey.

To me, this is pretty close to saying "We write GODDESSY in full caps as we think it's very important." And that, I imagine, is why Sanyo systematically uses "SANYO" on its US site. Adams is, or Goddessy is, or the Goddessy people are, fully entitled to write "GODDESSY" on her/their own site, just as Sanyo is fully entitled to write "SANYO" on its own site. But just as WP is right to say "Sanyo", WP is right to say "Goddessy".

Is this so complex? Does it really require "mediation"?

(As I've said above, the writing of the username GODDESSY is an entirely different matter; I've no objection to it.) -- Hoary 06:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

And in answering to the question of if the name "GODDESSY" is so complex that it requires mediation, you just answered your own question by bringing the subject back up again. GODDESSY is legally registered as a business as "GODDESSY" and the explanation to why GODDESSY is placed in all caps is provided. Every single book cover written by Adams that has GODDESSY on its cover reads "GODDESSY" , so "GODDESSY" is accurate.

No further comments and thank you for your time.

-GODDESSY

Capitalization of "Goddessy" (other than in the username, of course)

User:GODDESSY points us to the same web page on whose content I have already commented. Every book by Adams is marked "GODDESSY", all caps? Well, every product from Sanyo is marked "SANYO", all caps. The capitalization is important to Adams/Goddessy and Sanyo respectively; it's not important to Misplaced Pages. -- Hoary 08:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Well if "it's not important to Misplaced Pages", but it is important to the founder of GODDESSY who clearly places the explanation for the name being in all caps (something SANYO does not do) on the web site as well as the book covers , then it should remain.

Also, we took at look at the SANYO page and noted that the name change was not disputed. In the case of GODDESSY, it is.

Keep in mind that there is not one voice for Misplaced Pages, so your feeling about this might not be the same as others.

Regards,

-GODDESSY

User:GODDESSY (below, UG) is again touting the company's own explanation for CAPITALIZATION. I've already read and commented on it. What UG doesn't repeat is an assertion I missed the first time around, that: GODDESSY is legally registered as a business as "GODDESSY". Can we see any evidence of this? (Is it perhaps to distinguish the company from the "Goddessy" cosmetics company?) Actually the company related to Adams is a bit of a mystery, as it nowhere seems to supply its street address (although it's possible I have missed something). -- Hoary 23:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Treading cautiously

I haven't edited this before, but see from the archive that that there was a huge edit war, then Jimbo blew away most of the previous article with the comment please rebuild with very careful attention to verifiable sources ONLY. I'll be doing that. If anyone has objections, please bring them up, I don't have any dogs in this fight, don't intend to edit war, and will discuss happily.

So far I added back those books that I could find ISBNs for on Amazon or Barnes & Noble, which, I imagine, would be considered "verifiable sources". Adams's site also mentions 2007 astrology books and Happenings, but I haven't found them elsewhere yet. AnonEMouse 14:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

user:65.184.17.216

Keeps reverting to the Jimbo version and his/her edit summaries are labelled "Reverted BACK to JIMBO WALES, as per his talk page, LEAVE THIS PAGE ALONE AS IT IS NOW. Want to Edit it? Fine, get banned, even admins", and "Don't even make me log on and get my blocking stick kids, this isn't a joke, leave it.". Not only to they sound like out of wiki process threats, they are ridiculous. The object of Jimbo's blanking was to rewrite the article, not create a perma-stub. — ßottesiηi 00:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Also commented on my talk page; I completely agree with Bottesini. AnonEMouse 01:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Didn't comment on my talk page, but yeah, me too. I've removed the attacks that 65.184.17.216 posted to this page. FreplySpang 13:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Are Adam's "books" really books?

Getting a Rogue Admin to try and block a person from posting does not work too well if the person posting is in a circle with Jimbo, at no time was I affected by any "block" and I'd like to point out, that if you insist on using multiple sock puppets to try and make a user look bad, we can take care of it.

This page was edited by Jimbo himself and only FACTUAL VERIFIABLE NOTABLE items were to be added.

The page sat still for almost 3 weeks, then someone added all of the books she has written. Jimbo himself again WIPED the page and said again "Only factual items may be added"

The books that Stephanie Adams has "written" are all eBooks available for sale ONLY by download from her website.

Try to buy one at Amazon.com and you are directed to her website to purchase and download. They are NOT available in print and never have been. They are not notable, many people write eBooks, that does not make them notable. To say she is an author is quite enough if even mention that.

... added at 07:12, 27 May 2006 by 65.184.17.216

I've taken the liberty of retitling the IP's comment. (Previously, it was "Pointless".) I hope that the new title directs people's attention to the substantive issue that the IP raises. -- Hoary 07:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Using the page history, I went back to the last version to have a list of books (or "books"). I clicked on the ISBN of the first book in the list. This took me to the regular list of libraries, etc. I clicked on the Amazon.com option, and arrived here (Amazon). Amazon had a single copy of this book. The page claimed that it was stocked, and would be shipped, by Amazon.

My idle guess is that some of these "books" are actual printed books, and that others aren't. You, IP, appear to be more interested in the status of Adams's books (or "books", or non-books) than I am. Perhaps you'd like to do the donkeywork of either (a) differentiating between Adam's actual books and quasi-books; or (b) explaining how I misread the Amazon page.

(My own opinion is that this kind of stuff sounds like such piffle that even if it's verifiably published in solid, dendrocidal form, it's not worth listing.)

I realize that other editors have previously reverted this mass deletion. They may have been right to do this. I'd ask them not to revert it again, at least till the IP (or anybody else) has had a couple of days to explain the matter further on this talk page.

And IP (or anybody else), let's try to assume good faith, OK? -- Hoary 07:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hoary

That sounds fine but I have a rogue "Admin" and a user with 3 sock puppets flooding me with warnings that are pure meaningless, they follow me from article to article reverting ANYTHING I write, Jimbo has been made aware and a Wiki Admin has already been "de admined" because of it.

TRY to buy ANY of her books from Amazon, they will redirect you to her website, of course it's in stock, its a download only.

ANY creative written work can get a Library of Congress tag IF you apply for govermental copyright status, which costs a whopping $14.99.

That's not a joke.

Her books on this Wiki server NO other purpose then to try and get people to buy them, that is why she created this article, that is why she spent sooo much time arguing with EVERYONE about what should be on it. She is very good at using certain phrases for search engines.

As the Wiki is now, it is only a bulletin board for advertising her books.

Saying she is an author is acceptable enough, she is NOT notable like Stephen King, heck, my 14 year old daughter wrote an eBook, should I start a Wiki about her now too?