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:In the interests of moving beyond the current conflict, I think it is worth responding to your analysis of the situation more generally. I would make the following observations: :In the interests of moving beyond the current conflict, I think it is worth responding to your analysis of the situation more generally. I would make the following observations:
:* I, , do not think you have established that is a “consensus version” or “unchallenged”. Indeed, the very fact that someone altered the article demonstrates that it is a challenged version. :* I, , do not think you have established that is a “consensus version” or “unchallenged”. Indeed, the very fact that someone altered the article demonstrates that it is a challenged version.
:* Despite your rhetoric, to my knowledge nobody is “blanking the article”. Yes, there have been some very bold edits and revisions (perhaps almost overly bold), but this is not article blanking and it is not a crime unto itself. :* Despite your rhetoric, to my knowledge nobody is “blanking the article”. Yes, there have been some very bold edits and revisions (perhaps almost overly bold), but this is not article blanking and it is not a crime unto itself.
:* You frequently cite removal of sourced material as a key objection, without acknowledging that your own revisions do . I do believe that other editors will be aware of the hypocrisy. :* You frequently cite removal of sourced material as a key objection, without acknowledging that your own revisions do . I do believe that other editors will be aware of the hypocrisy.
:* “Muslim Tamil-in-exile version”? Really? I am not sure voicing your conspiracy concerns are helping you sound cool calm and collected on the topic. :* “Muslim Tamil-in-exile version”? Really? I am not sure voicing your conspiracy concerns are helping you sound cool calm and collected on the topic.
:Please do not think that I am strongly in favour for a particular version. I think that all versions of the article require serious work and I have some ongoing ‘]’ concerns. For example, I am of the opinion that “extremist” is probably not an appropriate adjective for the lead and is less informative than ]. However, I also realize that I will not be able to make a convincing case for this without discussing the specifics of the issue. Generalized chest beating about ] and ] and ] will not get us anywhere. Yes, having the more meaningful discussion will be time consuming and require patience, but it will be more productive in the long run. This is my message to you. If you think that some removed material needs to be reintroduced then make a specific case for that inclusion. Similarly, if you think some content should be removed, then make a specific case for that removal. This is the only way that the article will be able to improve. I hope you get on the precision band wagon. Cheers ] (]) 07:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC) :Please do not think that I am strongly in favour for a particular version. I think that all versions of the article require serious work and I have some ongoing ‘]’ concerns. For example, I am of the opinion that “extremist” is probably not an appropriate adjective for the lead and is less informative than ]. However, I also realize that I will not be able to make a convincing case for this without discussing the specifics of the issue. Generalized chest beating about ] and ] and ] will not get us anywhere. Yes, having the more meaningful discussion will be time consuming and require patience, but it will be more productive in the long run. This is my message to you. If you think that some removed material needs to be reintroduced then make a specific case for that inclusion. Similarly, if you think some content should be removed, then make a specific case for that removal. This is the only way that the article will be able to improve. I hope you get on the precision band wagon. Cheers ] (]) 07:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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(The following was copied from Kwamikagami's talk page. diff:)

Bodu Bala Sena or Bodu Bala Senaa?

I have just made an article for Bodu Bala Sena (බොදු බල සේනා in Sinhala language), but I see that Arab News is spelling it "Bodu Bala Senaa",. This spelling seems to be spreading very quickly as the article is pasted all over the internet, and the organization receives more international attention. The organization's own YouTube and Facebook websites use "Bodu Bala Sena", as have earlier Sri Lankan sources. Ordinarily I would chalk it up to a typo, but the Arab News seems to be very strong in English, and the Sri Lankan sources, not so much; still, my gut reaction is to go with how the organization spells its own name. Google Translate doesn't do Sinhala yet, so I have puzzled over the Omniglot description of the Sinhala alphabet. The problem seems to be with the last symbol නා, but that's as far as I can get. The Arabic letter ع is sometimes transliterated as "aa", perhaps this is how නා sounds to the Arab ear. Or perhaps it is a typo. Is this something I should be concerned about? Thanks. Neotarf (talk) 09:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The last word is sēnā. Both vowels are long, AFAICT. Normally we just omit the macron when assimilating into English, and that's true for Arabic as well. It would be odd to transcribe it with a ع, and I seriously doubt that's how it would sound to an Arabic ear. (Arabic also has vowel length, and it would presumably be heard as that.) It also seems a bit weird to show only one of the vowels as long. Since the org's preferred spelling accords with normal English practice, I'd go with that. — kwami (talk) 09:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Neotarf (talk) 10:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Bodu Bala Sena (බොදු බල සේනා "Buddhist Power Force" in the Sinhala language) is a Buddhist organization based in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

please refer to them as a religious extremist organization. sources - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21494959, http://www.asiantribune.com/node/61792

Bodu Bala Sena (බොදු බල සේනා "Buddhist Power Force" in the Sinhala language) is a Buddhist group of hardline extremists based in Colombo, Sri Lanka.


116.15.177.167 (talk) 18:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

 Not done:. Please see WP:TERRORIST. —KuyaBriBri 18:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
@116.15.177.167: Those are both very interesting links, thank you. The first one, BBC News, is a reliable source and can be used for the article. The other one, Asian Tribune, is written by a Sri Lanka Tamil journalist from his own perspective. The publication does not have editorial oversight, so it cannot be used as a "reliable source". It also says its "focus is on issues and concerns and champions them with passion...", so it does not have a neutral point of view either. So this publication can not be used as a source for the article, even though its Tamil perspective is very interesting. I'm afraid you can't say Bodu Bala Sena is a "religious extremist organization" based on these sources, that would be original research; you have to be very careful with that, but I think you can still use these links in some way. 223.207.113.153 (talk) 15:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Clear bias

No mention of the anti-islamic/islamophobe nature of this organization? Nothing on its anti-halal/anti-sharia facets? The English Defence League, if you read the page, is based on much the same policies as the BBS, and yet the BBS is being treated as a "Buddhist organization". I'd include this myself, but I have a feeling folks at WikiProject Lanka wont be too pleased if I do in this instance. All I'll say is that it is unbecoming of an encyclopedia to attempt to distort facts or demonstrate bias and lack of objectivity. Walkalia (talk) 12:50, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Those are extraordinary claims. At the very least, you need a source for that. 223.207.113.153 (talk) 15:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
It's not that extraordinary:
  • Lakbima: "Bodu Bala Sena to continue anti-Muslim protests".
  • DFT: "...Bodu Bala Sena, a monk-led extremist Buddhist organisation that has been at the forefront of recent anti-Muslim protests in the island".
  • DFT: "He said that the Bodu Bala Sena group opposed Halal because they were essentially anti-Muslim".
  • SL: "Matters have had been made worse due to the alleged anti Muslim sentiment created by Bodu Bala Sena, an extremist Buddhist sect..."
  • LBO: "An extreme nationalist organization called 'Bodu Bala Sena', had been at the forefront of anti-Muslim activity in the island".
These are not "reliable sources"; please see WP:RS. In addition, Misplaced Pages articles need to be written in a "neutral point of view", see WP:NPOV. It is a shame that there are so many publications in the Islamic countries that are calling this group "ani-Muslim" when the group itself says it does not promote violence against other religious groups. And it is a shame there are so many anonymous IP editors from Islamic countries like Pakistan, Sinagapore, and Qatar that are vandalizing this article. 115.67.39.165 (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Bodu Bala Sena is the latest incarnation of Sinhalese Buddhist nationalism that has since independence targeted the island's ethnic minorities. First of all it was the Indian Tamils, then it was the Sri Lankan Tamils, now it's the turn of the Muslims.--obi2canibe 22:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Muslims are the most intolerant people on the planet. In every single Muslim country, the minorities are terribly oppressed. It's only natural to hate Muslims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.115.197 (talk) 01:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

What we see in the world today are non-Muslim peoples rising up and exacting their revenge on the Muslims who have horribly oppressed them, including Israel.

Walkalia you should not be discouraged by adding constructive and non disruptive edits, be bold there will always be editors who think otherwise. WikiProject Sri Lanka supports the addition of constructive and non disruptive edits. Obi2canibe I think it is important that you should know that the vast majority of Sinhalese people do not think this way, nor are they extremists. However upon recently coming back from Sri Lanka I did realize of tensions between the Sinhalese and Moors/Muslims. This "extremism" is reciprocated by the Moors/Muslims against the Sinhalese, or at lest many Sinhalese feel so. Yet it is the Bodu Bala Sena who (do not represent the Sinhalese as a whole who) take it that step further.--Blackknight12 (talk) 02:17, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
At a time when the world situation is heating up between Buddhist/Muslim groups -- there are riots and deaths in Myanmar this week for example, and the Islamic groups in Sri Lanka plan a rally for later in the week -- the Misplaced Pages needs to take special care not to inflame the situation by calling groups "extremist" or making unsubstantiated claims about an organization.115.67.39.165 (talk) 02:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I didn't mean to imply that all/majority of Sinhalese were anti-Islam. The only thing the majority of Sinhalese are perhaps guilty of is remaining silent while BBS does these things in their name.--obi2canibe 17:09, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Can anyone add this halal label image?

Halal food label in Arabic language

I have added an image to the halal controversy section. There is a better image here that looks more like the label on the Sri Lanka food, but I don't know how to add a file from Indonesia wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.84.77.188 (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Done MediaJet talk 16:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the neutrality of the Article

Article is tend to be one sided now,I dont see any neutrality here. MediaJet talk 06:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. There has been a huge amount of information just dumped into the article without any organization and without vetting sources. For one thing, there seems to be a collection of quotations cherry-picked from people who oppose Badu Bala Sena, as well as a new round of inflammatory banners. On the other hand, the new links might be a gold-mine of new information. For instance, there is some information about the origins of the group that I haven't had time to look at yet. I have seen conflicting information about the group's origin, but nothing from reliable sources. If you look at WP:NPOV, an article is supposed to provide information first, not opinion. You can't leave something out just because it is negative, but the negative portions have to be sourced and cannot be given undue weight.
I would suggest that the article be reverted back to the last stable version, and the new information be vetted here and added back gradually. 115.84.92.252 (talk) 07:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Majority of the quotations come from the organization itself. They are not cherry picked from anyone else. If you find the banner 'history' and 'organization' inflammatory I'm not sure what I can say. Even 'attacks on media' and 'criticisms' are neutral and state what happened. There is no opinion presented -- the organization has expressed anti-Islam sentiments and attacked several Muslim things and these are reported in a neutral manner. SinhaYugaya (talk) 07:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
User:MediaJet and anonymous dynamic IP editor 115.84.77.xx - You can't just the say the article isn't neutral and remove referenced content. You have to explain your objections on the talk page. Neutrality is generally achieved by adding content form opposing views, it isn't achieved by removing referenced content. You actions look like you are using lack of neutrality as an excuse to delete. Your assertion that the article is dominated by quotations from people who oppose Bodu Bala Sena is not true. The majority of the article is about what Bodu Bala Sena have done or said. And your assertion that this version is stable is also not true - this artcile has been regularly edited sine mid March. The only difference between your chosen version and the version you object to is that it doesn't contain so much negative content. Misplaced Pages is not censored - if all the available reliable sources paint Bodu Bala Sena in a negative manner, then perhaps that's just the what they are.--obi2canibe 18:25, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Please go back and read the essay you linked to (and it is an essay, not a policy or guideline). If you want to say something negative you cannot do it in the voice of the Misplaced Pages. You have to present all opposing views and name your sources.
The only recent edits to this article have been vandalism, which up to now has been quickly reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.13.88.60 (talk) 14:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I included everything I could find about the organisation in reliable sources. If you be believe all opposing views aren't represented then add the opposing views. You, and all others who claim this article isn't neutral, haven't made any constructive edits. Instead you are engaged in censoring information for which reliable sources have been given.--obi2canibe 17:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Neutrality issues and the information added by Obi2canibe

User:Obi2canibe has added a great deal of very interesting information, however the neutrality of the article is now questioned. The article is about "Bodu Bada Sena", not "Criticism of Bodu Bada Sena". The article itself needs to be encyclopedic in tone, with the various viewpoints represented neutrally. For myself, I have formed no opinion about the group; I think it is a changing situation and many things are not written in stone, yet.

Also there is a huge problem that most of what they write about themselves is in Sinhala language. Google translate doesn't support Sinhala language yet, so it is very hard for the international audience to find out what they say about themselves. So we must be careful what we say about them, that it is accurate and from high quality sources.

For now, I am looking at Palestine Liberation Organization as an example of how to write the article.

I have posted Obi2canibe's text below. I would like to see the links organized into topics, and the sources checked to see if they can be used as reliable sources. For now I would like to concentrate on the halal meat issue, since it is currently in the news, and on vetting sources for the organizational structure of the group.

Obi2canibe's text

Obi2canibe's text

Bodu Bala Sena (Template:Lang-si; Template:Lang-en; BBS) is an extremist Sinhala-Buddhist organisation based in Colombo, Sri Lanka. It has organised various campaigns against the country's minority Muslim and Christian communities which, according to the organisation, are needed to protect the country's Sinhalese-Buddhist character. The organisation's hard-line attitudes have drawn concern and criticism from inside and outside Sri Lanka.


The BBS was founded by monks Kirama Wimalajothi and Galagoda Aththe Gnanasara after they broke away from Jathika Hela Urumaya (JHU) claiming it was was not militant enough in protecting Buddhism. Gnanasara had been one of the JHU candidates in Colombo District at the 2004 parliamentary election. Wimalajothi and Gnanasara are leader and general secretary of BBS respectively. It's headquarters are located at Sri Sambuddha Jayanthi Mandira in Colombo. Sri Sambuddha Jayanthi Mandira is owned by the Buddhist Cultural Centre, an organisation also founded by Kirama Wimalajothi. The Buddhist Cultural Centre was opened by President Mahinda Rajapaksa on 15 May 2011.


One of earliest campaigns by BBS was in respect of Buddhist Sri Lankans working in the Middle East who, according BBS, were prevented from prevented from practising their religion and punished harshly if found to be doing so.

The BBS held it's first national convention at the Bandaranaike Memorial International Conference Hall on 28 July 2012. The convention passed five resolutions which, amongst other things, called for a ban on vasectomy/tubectomy in government health facilities; replacement of the various legal systems used in the country with a single legal system; preferential treatment in university admission for students who attended Buddhism classes; use of monks in government schools to teach history and other classes; and no solution for the country's ethnic problems which was based on race/religion.

The BBS held a protest at the Bangladeshi High Commission in Colombo on 4 October 2012 against the anti-Buddhist riots in Bangladesh. Some of the protesters threw stones and bottles at the High Commission.

On 14 October 2012 BBS stormed a house in Batakettara, Homagama, Piliyandala where it alleges a Christian pastor called Dinesh and others from an evangelical group called The Name of Lord Jesus were trying to convert Sinhalese Buddhists. The pastor was later released but following complaints from the pastor's family seven people were arrested on charges of abduction. The following day BBS held a protest outside Piliyandala Police Station demanding that the seven arrested be released.

The BBS held a protest rally in Badulla on 25 October 2012 against against alleged conversion, vandalism of Buddhist sites and Islamic terrorism. They held a protest at the Department of Archeology on 29 November 2012 urging the authorities to protect archaeological sites in the Eastern Province.

The BBS stormed Sri Lanka Law College in Hultsdorf, Colombo on 7 January 2013, alleging that exam results were being distorted in favour of Muslim students. The allegations were not true but the college was forced delay new student registration by one week in order to investigate the allegations.


The BBS stormed the Cinnamon Bay Hotel in Moragalla, Beruwala on 21 January 2013, alleging that the premises contained a "Buddha bar". Two hotel managers were arrested by the police for organising the "Buddha bar" event.

President Mahinda Rajapaksa and government ministers met with the BBS on 27 January 2013 at Temple Trees, Colombo. After the meeting the President issued a statement which urged the BBS and other monks to avoid conflicts with other religious communities but this statement was only issued in English, not Sinhala which is the language of most BBS supporters.

The opposition United National Party met with the BBS on 12 February 2013.

The BBS organised a meeting in Maharagama, Colombo on 17 February 2013 which was attended by around 16,000 people including 1,300 monks. At the rally the BBS general secretary Galagoda Aththe Gnanasara stated "This is a government created by Sinhala Buddhists and it must remain Sinhala Buddhist. This is a Sinhala country, Sinhala government. Democratic and pluralistic values are killing the Sinhala race". He also told the crowd at the rally that they "must become an unofficial civilian police force against Muslim extremism. These so-called democrats are destroying the Sinhala race". At the rally the BBS unveiled the "Maharagama Declaration", a ten-point resolution which, other than an end to halal certification, called for a ban on Sri Lankan women going to work in the Middle East; end of mosque building financed by the Middle East; and ban some contraceptives.


In February 2013 BBS leader Kirama Wimalajothi called for a ban burqas in the country. The BBS has also campaigned against the abaya.

The BBS met with the of the Lieutenant General Jagath Jayasuriya, Major General Shavendra Silva and others from the Sri Lanka Army in late February 2013 to discuss extremist Muslim groups that the BBS alleged were operating in the country. BBS also met with IGP N. K. Illangakoon from the police on 1 March 2013 to discuss the same issues.

Meth Sevana, the BBS' cultural and training centre in Pilana, Wanchawala, Galle District, was officially opened on 9 March 2013 by chief guest Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa, brother of President Mahinda Rajapaksa.

The BBS held a rally in Kandy on 17 March 2013 at which it announced that it would work to remove a 10th century mosque at the Kuragala Buddhist monastery complex in Ratnapura District. At the rally BBS alleged that Muslim fundamentalists had taken over the site and destroyed Buddhist heritage. BBS general secretary Galagoda Aththe Gnanasara accused the Muslim owned Fashion Bug and No Limit retail chains of converting its Buddhist Sinhalese employees to Islam.


The BBS held a rally in Panadura on 24 March 2013 at which it called on the country to rally against Christian and Muslim extremists, insisting Sri Lanka was a a Sinhala Buddhist country, not a multiracial or multi-religious country. At the rally BBS called for High Commissioner Ferial Ashraff to be recalled from Singapore for allegedly carrying out anti-Sinhala activities. At the rally BBS announced that a ringtone could be downloaded from Mobitel, the state-owned mobile phone operator, which would raise funds for BBS. This caused protests from Mobitel customers and the company was forced to apologise for causing "emotional distress".

A nationwide protest by Muslims against the anti-Muslim campaigns being carried out by the BBS and JHU was held on 25 March 2013. The protests were organised by the Muslim Rights Organization (MRO). A hartal was observed in the Eastern Province on the same day against the BBS' anti-Muslim stance.

The Muslim owned Fashion Bug clothes shop in Pepiliyana, Colombo District was attacked on 28 March 2013 by a mob led by Buddhist monks. Some reports suggested that BBS was behind the attack. BBS denied any involvement and condemned the attack.


On 31 March 2013 it was reported that the government was going to ban a number of extremist groups including the BBS.

In February of 2013 the BBS started a campaign against the halal certifying system in the country. In Sri Lanka halal certification is carried out by the All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulama (ACJU), the group of Islamic clerics, and contrary to allegations, is voluntary - certificates are only issued to businesses that request it. The BBS initially threatened to take the ACJU to court. Later they threatened to launch a campaign of agitation against halal certification, stating "they are trying to impose their ritualistic food products upon this country. The next plan is to bring about Sharia law. Already there is Muslim banking system in the country." At the rally in Maharagama on 17 February 2013 the BBS announced that it was calling for the abolition of the halal certifying system, demanding that shops be cleared of halal meat by April.

In late February 2013 the ACJU offered to hand over responsibility for halal certifying to the government but this was rejected by the BBS who called for the complete eradication halal certification in the country. The BBS slammed the ACJU as "arrogant, corrupt, thieving, underworld thugs". The government also refused to take over halal certification due to the pressure exerted by the BBS.

The BBS stormed a meat inspection facility in Dematagoda run by Colombo Municipal Council (CMC) on 1 March 2013, alleging that young calves, pregnant cows and water buffaloes were being slaughtered at the premises. The slaughter of calves is illegal in Colombo. The BBS were incorrect - the premises were being used by CMC officials to inspect meat prior to being distributed around the city.

Meetings were held between the ACJU, the Ceylon Chamber of Commerce (CCC) and Buddhist clergy and on 11 March 2013 a compromise was announced. The ACJU would stop adding the halal logo on products for local consumption but continue to use them for products being exported to Islamic countries where it is compulsory. This offer was also rejected on 12 March 2013 by the BBS who continued to demand "the eradication of the entire Halal process". The BBS went on to attack those responsible for the compromise. They accused Milinda Moragoda, a government minister, of "creating an unholy inter-religious alliance, and attempting to destroy our learned monks. These revered bhikkus are now in the grasp of infidels". They branded the Buddhist clergy as "pseudo Buddhist leaders who never stood against Muslim extremism and Christian fundamentalism." They accused the CCC chairman Susantha Ratnayake of having a "Buddha bar" at a hotel he runs.

The government pronounced on 13 March 2013 that the ACJU had no power to issue halal certificates and that a new way to certify halal products would need to be formulated. On 17 March 2013 the BBS declared victory in it's battle against halal, saying it wouldn't talk about halal in the future.

The BBS general secretary Galagoda Aththe Gnanasara has accused the majority of the english language media in the country of "working on foreign agendas" and of being "kalu suddho" (traitors) to the Sinhala Buddhist cause.

A BBC News filming the BBS rally at Maharagama on 17 February 2013 were surrounded by a mob of twenty young men who threatened them and verbally abused a Sri Lankan member of the crew, accusing him of being a "traitor", having "foreign parents" and working for a "foreign conspirator" who was "against Sri Lanka". The police seemed to be helping the crew by barricading the crew and ordering them not to leave. The mob threatened it would "be the end" of the crew if they returned to Maharagama. A reporter from the Muslim newspaper Navamini was also harassed at the rally by a mob who handed him over to the police who in turn detained the reporter for 4½ hours.

The BBS has received criticism from politicians, human rights groups, other Buddhist clergy and Muslims from Sri Lanka and abroad.


The International Crisis Group has stated that the BBS' attacks on the Muslim community will lead an increase in Islamic fundamentalism in the country. The Islamic Human Rights Commission has accused the BBS of "spreading religious hatred" and urged the Sri Lankan government to take legal action against organisations which attack minority groups. The Asian Human Rights Commission has described the BBS as an "expression of the widespread lawlessness in the country", claiming that the government's failure to take action against groups such as the BBS demonstrated the government's connivance. Minority Rights Group International has accused BBS of being the main group behind the recent spate of attacks against Muslims in the country.

The views of the BBS have been disowned by the some of the mainstream Buddhist clergy. Anunayake Bellanwila Wimalaratana has stated that "The views of the Bodu Bala Sena are not the views of the entire Sangha community".

Opposition provincial councillor and MRO president Mujeebur Rahuman has stated that the unfettered activities of the BBS will mean an "ethnic riot will start between Sinhalese and Muslims". The Eastern Provincial Council passed a motion unanimously on 20 February 2013 censuring the BBS for its anti-Muslim stance.

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More neutrality issues

I don't know if you are familiar with how Misplaced Pages is edited. You cannot remove large amounts of data because you have a suspicion that it's not neutral. You can state what you find is not neutral and what references you have a issue with and we can move on from there. SinhaYugaya (talk) 07:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Lot of dumped nonsense,this is not the real countenance of the organization,this is biased to one side,however earlier version is much better than the current,even the earlier is not written in a neutral tone,Should Rewrite this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.157.206.171 (talk) 10:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, YOU need to obtain consensus first before you remove data. SinhaYugaya (talk) 05:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Please review WP:BRD. The cycle is bold, revert, discuss. A bold edit has been made, the edit has been reverted, or challenged, now you need to discuss the changes you want to make, and obtain consensus for the material you want to add. 115.84.79.166 (talk) 06:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
WP:BRD is not a policy it's just a suggestion on how to conduct yourself. You were bold you got reverted now it's your time to discuss. SinhaYugaya (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Anonymous editor User:115.84.79.166 - As your fellow Laotian pointed out, WP:BRD is an essay, not a policy or guideline. WP:BRD states that it is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes. This is exactly what you are doing.--obi2canibe 17:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

The neutrality of the article has been questioned, however when at least three editors have attempted to revert back to the stable version, the disputed and inflammatory material keeps getting inserted over and over and over again. I have left messages on the talk pages of user:SinhaYugaya and user:Obi2canibe. 115.84.79.166 (talk) 06:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I have asked for more eyes on this article at — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.84.79.166 (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Neutrality issues in proposed lede

The lede that has been proposed for this article is:

Bodu Bala Sena is a right-wing Sinhala-Buddhist organisation based in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

or alternatively:

Bodu Bala Sena is an extremist Sinhala-Buddhist organisation based in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

There are several problems with this. First, the terms "right-wing" and "extremist" are highly inflammatory, and are hardly words the organization applies to itself. This certainly does not belong in the lede. See WP:Neutral point of view and WP:TERRORIST, also WP:No original research. If these attacks belong in the article at all, they needs attribution to reliable sources, and the person or organization making these attacks needs to be identified.

This is not an attack piece. It is an encyclopedia article. 115.84.79.166 (talk) 06:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

You call a spade a spade. Those words have neutral connotations and that is what is being referenced to when they are used in the article. The organization doesn't get to decide how others view it. SinhaYugaya (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The BBC calls the Bodu Bala Sena “A new hardline Sinhalese Buddhist group” (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21494959)

Extremism, although a problematic concept, therefore rather than defining the idealogy it is best to characterise it (using Laird Wilcox on Extremist Traits): following are the characters of extremism followed with particular actions of the Bodu Bala Sena:

INADEQUATE PROOF FOR ASSERTIONS. "It is the monks who protect our country, religion and race," (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21840600)

TENDENCY TO VIEW THEIR OPPONENTS AND CRITICS ASESSENTIALLY EVIL – “It is not the BBS that created extremism in this country. The separatism that Prabhakaran could not achieve, the ACJU has managed to achieve in Sri Lanka today. The Muslim clergy have divided this society into two and built mistrust between religious communities,” (http://www.ft.lk/2013/02/16/bodu-bala-sena-anti-halal-agitation-to-begin-in-maharagama-tomorrow/)

TENDENCY TOWARD ARGUMENT BY INTIMIDATION. At one meeting attracting thousands, the organisation's secretary, Gnanasara Thero, told each Buddhist present to become "an unofficial policeman against Muslim extremism" and said "so-called democrats" were destroying the Sinhala race.( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21840600)

USE OF SLOGANS, BUZZWORDS, AND THOUGHT-STOPPINGCLICHES Youth activists at the rally wore T-shirts denouncing the Muslim halal method of slaughtering animals to eat. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21494959) The group's secretary-general, Venerable Galaboda Aththe Gnanasara, told the crowds that "only monks can save this race", referring to Sinhalese. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21494959) "Our country is a Sinhalese one and we are its unofficial police," (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21494959)

ASSUMPTION OF MORAL OR OTHER SUPERIORITY OVER OTHERS. "No one should doubt these clergy. We're here to give you encouragement." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21840600)

DOOMSDAY THINKING At one meeting attracting thousands, the organisation's secretary, Gnanasara Thero, told each Buddhist present to become "an unofficial policeman against Muslim extremism" and said "so-called democrats" were destroying the Sinhala race. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21840600)

There are a whole range of articles and ideologies, acts perpetrated by the bodu bala sena that can fall under the extremism bracket. I believe this is enough material from reliable sources to ascertain their status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.201.65.235 (talk) 03:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

That is WP:SYNTHESIS. "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." You cannot paste a link to a piece that says the group does not want Islamic halal symbols on their food packages during the upcoming religious holidays, and use that as an excuse to slap a huge green "Islamophobia" sticker on the article. (And I have a funny feeling whoever did that isn't exactly Muslim either). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.13.88.50 (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

What a bizarre point to state that "far-right" is inflammatory. Extremist isnt? Militant White organisations are politely referred to as "Far-right" and NEVER as "Extremist". So non-white organisations must be accorded the same respect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.253.183 (talk) 08:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous editor User:103.13.88.50 - You're correct, it is WP:SYNTHESIS. But we don't need to do any synthesis to prove that BBS is an extremist organisation. A reliable source has been given in the article which states that BBS is an extremist organisation. Read it. There are other reliable sources which also state that BBS is an extremist organisation. No reliable source has been given for the assertion that it's a right-wing organisation.--obi2canibe 18:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Starting to look at the huge number of little-known news sources that are being used to justify the inflammatory rhetoric that has been substituted for the original piece. See WP:RS and WP:NEWSORG. If the first one is any indication, there are massive problems with sources here.

  • The Asian Tribune seems to be written by one person, KT Rajasingham, a Tamil politician, who is now living in Sweden. Rajasigham has been sued for defamation in Australia, Sri Lanka, and Sweden . You don't have to look very far to find out he has also been accused of attempting to have someone assassinated and of blackmailing another newspaper, that he is "widely regarded as a hate monger dealing in sewer reportage", that he is "engaged in spreading notorious propaganda against United States and Israel as well the Western world", that he is "trying to justify the activities of heinous Islamist militancy group like Harkatul Jihad", and that he "might have linked to Islamist militancy group, and receiving funding from such elements in spreading the message of Jihad as well publishing articles and commentaries against Jews, Christians, Israel, United States and the West".
  • Busy guy. But it doesn't look like this publication meets the Misplaced Pages standard for neutrality and editorial oversight. 103.13.88.45 (talk) 03:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
So let me get this right, you are using an anti-Muslim site to prove that Asian Tribune is not neutral? SinhaYugaya (talk) 05:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
As SinhaYugaya has rightly pointed out, you, User:103.13.88.45, can't use unreliable sources to prove that Asian Tribune is an unreliable source. In fact it has already been judged to be a reliable source. WP:SLR has judged Asian Tribune to fulfill WP:RS, but only tell one side of the story. Also see this on WP:RSN. Even if Asian Tribune were unreliable, it only accounts for three of the 91 references on this article. The overwhelming majority are reliable sources.
International news organisations:
Sri Lankan national newspapers:
Other country national newspapers:
International human rights organisations:
Ignoring all these reliable sources, scrutinising Asian Tribune and using that as an excuse to remove content you don't approve of is just a lame attempt at censorship.--obi2canibe 18:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
If you look at a source and it uses the phrase "Buddhist violence", but "alleged Muslim violence", you probably don't have to search for the publication's editorial oversight policy to know you are not looking at a neutral source. Just a quick look at the above list shows some of these publications used are not what could be called "scholarly sources" but are written by one individual, a Tamil in exile, and in this regard, are similar to blogs, which wikipedia does not generally allow. You really need to review and WP:RSwhich will tell you how to use sources, and no, it's not censorship — the wikipedia is not supposed to promote someone's particular world view. I could paste more explanations here, but it's all in the core policies of WP:Verifiability, WP:Neutral point of view, and WP:No original research. Please look at them and learn how to use them. You really can't expect other editors to wade through all of that list until they can see that you understand the policy. 203.81.67.127 (talk) 15:32, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

= more evidence

Kalmunai Resolution Names BBS As Extremists (http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2013/04/07/kalmunai-resolution-names-bbs-as-extremists/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.201.65.235 (talk) 07:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

This is one side reporting and self pass resolution as Muslims pass a resolution claiming some one who not accept them finally identify as a Extremists. Is that ethical? If this is true, TNA is also a Extremists. All Muslims are Extremists as they only deal with Islamic-brotherhood as Koran teach so too. But we as a clear mind people above statement is wrong though it is politically motivated resolution.

Head of the Bodu Bala Sena

Court documents obtained by the Colombo Telegraph show that Bodu Bala Sena General Secretary and vociferous hardline monk, Galabodaaththe Gnanasara pleaded guilty to hit-and-run charges filed against him by Grandpass police in 2000. On September 20, 2000, the monk was fined Rs. 12,000 by Traffic Courts, Colombo 12. The accident occurred on April 14, the same year, causing injuries to two others named Mohamed Rifai and Ravindra Kumar. Gnanasara Thera was driving lorry number 6 Shri 5444. Among the charges against him were drunk driving, speeding, driving without a valid licence and failing to report the accident.

The monk pleaded guilty to all 9 charges.

This is a personal behaviour. It is not a organization level activity. This type of act clearly shows hate speaking rather than facts.


I see that someone has spammed Bodu Bala Sena's Facebook page over and over with this. Pleas note that the talk page is for discussing the article, not discussing the subject or spreading propaganda. 61.4.72.106 (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"Proving"

Please note you cannot "prove" something on wiki. You have to find a "reliable source" that has "proved" it off wiki. See WP:RS. Please note also the requirements for a "reliable source", especially sources like blogs and partisan "newspapers" that are essentially written by one person. 61.4.72.106 (talk) 15:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

If you want to edit this article you will have more success if you don't remove what has already been written, especially long-standing material that has been sourced and is the product of consensus. Blanking a page is usually reserved for obvious vandalism. You would do better to add small amounts of material at a time, and to discuss something you want to add on the talk page first. 61.4.72.106 (talk) 15:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Removal of consensus version by SinhaYugaya

The version of this that was agreed to on the talk page was blanked by user:SinhaYugaya with this edit, with the edit summary "revert vandalism", see WP:VANDAL, and replaced with his own version, which several users have noted multiple problems with.

Please get consensus on the talk page before making massive removals of sourced text. 203.81.67.127 (talk) 15:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anon, just following up on the concerns you rose over at my talk page. Firstly, I do not believe that I made revisions “without any explanation”. Each of my edits has been accompanied by an explanation in the edit summary. I have reverted various edits that have, amongst other things, added poorly phrased material, added unreferenced material, and removed referenced content without meaningful discussion. I don’t believe I have come close to edit warring, but I am happy to hear other editors opinions on this.
In the interests of moving beyond the current conflict, I think it is worth responding to your analysis of the situation more generally. I would make the following observations:
  • I, like other editors, do not think you have established that this version is a “consensus version” or “unchallenged”. Indeed, the very fact that someone altered the article demonstrates that it is a challenged version.
  • Despite your rhetoric, to my knowledge nobody is “blanking the article”. Yes, there have been some very bold edits and revisions (perhaps almost overly bold), but this is not article blanking and it is not a crime unto itself.
  • You frequently cite removal of sourced material as a key objection, without acknowledging that your own revisions do just that. I do believe that other editors will be aware of the hypocrisy.
  • “Muslim Tamil-in-exile version”? Really? I am not sure voicing your conspiracy concerns are helping you sound cool calm and collected on the topic.
Please do not think that I am strongly in favour for a particular version. I think that all versions of the article require serious work and I have some ongoing ‘point of view’ concerns. For example, I am of the opinion that “extremist” is probably not an appropriate adjective for the lead and is less informative than nationalist. However, I also realize that I will not be able to make a convincing case for this without discussing the specifics of the issue. Generalized chest beating about reliable sources and neutrality and bias will not get us anywhere. Yes, having the more meaningful discussion will be time consuming and require patience, but it will be more productive in the long run. This is my message to you. If you think that some removed material needs to be reintroduced then make a specific case for that inclusion. Similarly, if you think some content should be removed, then make a specific case for that removal. This is the only way that the article will be able to improve. I hope you get on the precision band wagon. Cheers Andrew (talk) 07:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
  1. http://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/full-court-report-bbs-leader-gnanasara-pleaded-guilty-to-hit-and-run-and-drunk-driving/
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