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Wikipediocracy

I've still been following the thread in question, and I'd request you, as the siteadmin thereof to post this for me if you wouldn't mind:

I was not canvassed by anyone, I expressed my opinions on the fact that Russavia, Kevin, Marek, ArbCom, everyone has screwed up in some way or another. I do not appreciate the personal attacks being provided against me on Wikipediocracy (some have been removed by yourself), nor the attempts at exposing my real life identity. I can assure you that the Arbitration Committee is in posession of any and all evidence I have, and they will make their decision when they do. At this time, I'd ask that you all just drop the issue of me, as it's not going anywhere, and you've been told by your siteadmin to cease attempts to out/dox me in any way. I will not be intimidated by your tactics at all, and I will see to it that the users participating in this thread get their justice done on Misplaced Pages for their participation in the thread condoning and coordinating the harassment of me.

Please post this on the thread, intact, with a link back here. Thanks. gwickwire_editing 16:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Done. →StaniStani  16:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. gwickwire_editing 17:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I would just stop bothering, if I were you. What you don't get is that their whole point is to insult you, to call you names, to make bad jokes. That is their form of "criticism", attacking people. They can't actually have high level discussions about what should or shouldn't be done, it all just dissolves into insulting people on Misplaced Pages. In truth, the "immature and unpleasant little git" that Murphy is describing is himself. Or maybe the rest of the people on Wikipediocracy. Silverseren 19:29, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

My whole point in this post was to show them that they haven't gotten to me. I don't give a shit that they called me "dipshit" and other names, nor that they were rude and just outright horrid toward another human (such as me), nor that they can't have conversations. I care that they know that they will not censor me nor other editors by threats of harassment or outing/doxing. By the way, the banned user there has admitted to having my information, so not sure what Stanistani wishes to do about that, if anything. gwickwire_editing 20:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

You've made your point, gwickwire. As far as the 'banned user there,' I can't beat the information out of him with a rubber hose. I'm advising folks to keep the discussion on Cla68 and Russavia and not go off-topic. I locked that topic and the discussion is now in other topics, none of which at this moment include you. I hope that helps.→StaniStani  21:28, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I apologize, I saw your comment on WO, and would like to clarify. I was talking about one or two of the "global moderators" on WO in that comment, not the site admins. In my opinion, the site admins (yourself included) have been very helpful (which is why I avoided looping you in at all). If you'd like to clarify that on the VPP thread or elsewhere, do so under your name with my blessing. Sorry for the confusion. gwickwire_editing 01:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I will strike my mild epithet. The following is simply advice, not any attempt to intimidate anyone, especially you: If you get involved with the politics of Misplaced Pages, you'll have to grow a thicker skin, and think more before you post. Politics in any group is usually poisonous. If you ever have to bring together a diverse group of people to agitate for reform, you will discover that it will not be a homogenous group. Your members will all disagree in which direction, and what emphasis to take their agitation. The trick is to steer them towards the most efficient course, without blocking their path. It's never perfect. Or to put it another way, "You should never meet the people we DON'T let post on Wikipediocracy!" →StaniStani  02:52, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Haha I understand. However, not criticizing you, but I won't let the people on Wikipediocracy shut me up here. Just because they think Kevin can do no wrong, and they think it's all okay, I don't. And I will have my opinion heard, because that's what Misplaced Pages runs on. Also, thanks for the suggestion at the end about not meeting people you don't let post. I think I'll not try. gwickwire_editing 02:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

As my people said long ago, Hwa is thet mei thet hors wettrien the hem self nule drinken. →StaniStani  21:34, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Heh

Came across this the other day. I must say, I was rather disappointed in that thread -- Who is this "Michaeldsuarez" person? Why is he allowed to post there? Doesn't he understand that people read Wikipediocracy to relax after a hard day, as an alternative to watching videos of monkeys trying to play scrabble and so forth? People don't want to read a bunch of facts for chrissakes. Sheesh. We get enough of that in Mr Merkle's history class. Get rid of that Michaeldsuarez guy, toot sweet.

I think it was right to nip that thread in the bud, but instead of "Locking as off-topic to this site and this present time", which some might read as "Locking, embarrassing", I think you should have gone with "Locking: too much BORING FACTS and not enough CHARACTER ASSASSINATION LULZ! Step up your game, people!" I mean, you've got a reading public to serve, after all.

Also, would it be possible to include a section with videos of dogs playing checkers? I think that would be a nice addition to the site. Herostratus (talk) 03:07, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

That was a fairly crappy topic about an epic clusterfart initiated at Misplaced Pages Review. I felt it wasn't germane to Wikipediocracy, and turned into an exercise in airing old grudges. Perhaps I should have just canned all those posts, but it did present both slightly zany sides of the incident. Do you want me to get rid of it?→StaniStani  05:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

The monkey videos and LOLcats are in the Off Topic section, but you'd have to register to see that stuff, and the other content that's available to registered cannibals and psychopaths would probably melt your pacemaker, so I'm not really advising that course of action.→StaniStani  05:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

No, don't get rid of it. Actually Michaeldsuarez gives a fairly cogent description of the incident which I suppose could be useful to me someday. I can't agree that Misplaced Pages Review stuff belongs in the memory hole -- it's a lot of the same people. Wikipediocracy is the Successor state and liable for all debts and obligations, at least as incurred by folks who are welcome and active at the successor site.

Oh, OK regarding the hidden content. What I was really wondering, have you considered applying for a grant from the National Council of the Arts as an ongoing performance art project? A requirement that all posts must rhyme would help move that along I think, and make the content even more interesting. Herostratus (talk) 07:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Hah! We fled our home as genuine refugees. You try posting at WR. As for the grant, those are the same conditions suggested by the Barry Kort Center for the Moulton Arts. We declined.→StaniStani  09:29, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Well you could rename the site "The Fred Durst Society of the Humanities and Arts", since apparently (and sadly, and undemocratically) that's still available (scroll to #3). That might get you a little more cachet. OK, back to work now! Herostratus (talk) 00:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

To Wikipediocracy

Yes, I still read Wikipediocracy, mostly because you *do* have valuable controversy and criticism on your site. I completely agree with the criticism, as it is very valuable. I may not agree with the majority of the people at Wikipediocracy, but the criticism provides insight for people here to make valued decisions. However, by harassing and/or outing editors on the site, you really devalue that. I personally am okay with watching you all cuss at and devalue editors, because I enjoy reading the criticism and making my own opinions on it. Heck, I wouldn't mind contributing there, if it didn't mean my IP and information would be out there (as if I remember right, that's how it's operated with information on profiles, whether that's WO or the software idk), because the discussions provide valuable valuable information and opinions on the operations at Misplaced Pages. I assume that's why you have so many current editors there. gwickwire_editing 02:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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I know that WO probably stalks your talkpage, but in case they hadn't seen this, could you crosspost/quote it or something? gwickwire_editing 02:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

• I'm not followed closely here by WPO members, any more than you care much what your plumber does on Saturday nights. I'm not going to copy stuff over to the board for you any more, as we've managed to stamp out further disclosure of your pseudo-identity. I don't feel like stirring that up again.

I would not prevent you from registering there, whether under gwickwire or another pseudonymous name. We have a short list of people we don't allow to register. Less than ten people on that list. You didn't make that list.

I personally set visibility of IP addresses on the phpBB3 forum to be only for a few admin-types. The administrative policy at Wikipediocracy is not to disclose member IP or email information to any other members. Exceptions: That information can be used to root out people who log on to attack the board, or build a sock army, or to joe-job (impersonate) other Misplaced Pages users. That said, I'm not going to encourage you to register. If you did so under 'gwickwire' you'd be the target of some pretty barbed comments, and I'd have to spend a lot of time keeping the peace. I protect members of the board from repeated and unfair attacks by other members, as being off-topic. The point of the board is to criticize Misplaced Pages.→StaniStani  06:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I didn't want to make more drama for you, and as you know the users of WO better than I do, it seems like it'd be too much on your admins and mods if I were to join at this time. gwickwire_editing 13:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Perfect

No, no, this thread is perfect. I've already taken screenshots of all the posts. Now, if anyone asks in the future what Wikipediocracy is about, I can show them this and explain that it is a trolling website. It is not professional or meant to be take seriously or really cared about at all, it is a website for adults who act like children and are pissed off that they were kicked out of the Misplaced Pages party can throw a tantrum and whine about other people. They are so angry about being scolded for doing bad things that they now spend their entire day just bickering with each other on the forum about how "evil" Misplaced Pages is.

You see, the truth of the matter always was that every criticism made about Misplaced Pages was actually talking about themselves and Wikipediocracy itself. Silverseren 13:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Eh, as long as you also captured myself and other folks calling them out for it, so what? Discussion forums can get a lot rougher than that, trust me. And I cordially disagree with your last sentence.→StaniStani  18:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and have some pierogi!

	Pierogi Award
	Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:23, 3 May 2013 (UTC)|}

Yes, it's me

Hi there. Thanks for giving me access to Wikipediocracy. Yes, it's me: I promise that I am this precise anonymous guy, and no other. (Which does sound pretty weird, doesn't it. What an idiotic policy they have here.) NaymanNoland (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipediocracy

On the website you help manage, two of your administrators, EricBarbour (talk · contribs · logs · block log) and Thekohser (talk · contribs · logs · block log), have threatened to out me. The second time it happened was yesterday. Do you condone that? As Volunteer Marek correctly pointed out over there, the site allows a site-banned user from wikipedia, Captain Occam, to spend almost all his time there making comments on my edits here and conducting a campaign from there for which he was site-banned on wikipedia.

Captain Occam has not been truthful on wikipedia and that continues on your site. One of the things he wrote was that NuclearWarfare blocked the account Akuri because I had requested it. He used the words "low down". But no such thing happened. Captain Occam suggested it had, that's all. But he was casting aspersions. Just because he thinks something might have happened does not make it true. I sent two emails to the arbitration committee about Akuri, expressing my concern at his conduct in the arbitration case. The account Akuri has an agenda indistinguishable from that of Captain Occam.

What did Thekohser write, Wow, "Mathsci", you really are a completely sniveling whining coward. Do we know "Mathsci"'s real name? If so, somebody publish it here, so that we know the identity of this disgraceful human, so that he can be avoided in real life. I wrote an apology to EricBarbour, because I had mis-tagged an anonymous IP page. That is not a particularly serious matter as you know. Here is what I wrote to EricBarbour in private, with references to Russavia and Volunteer Marek removed:

"I am sorry about the error. I already knew from WR where you live <redacted> and about your musical business, so almost as soon as I tagged the IP I knew there was something badly wrong. My error was in not realizing <passage redacted>. I had not realized that it had been noted on WO, I had only only seen Alison's edit on WP and responded to her by email. I did not realize that you were upset and regret that. I have worked out now what your ISP was in the past since you occasionally edited logged off, but it's nobody else's business. I sometimes edit logged off from <redacted> in France. <redacted> I don't see any reason why any of you should not comment on wikipedia. It really is nobody else's business and it's completely harmless. You know who I am. I have now recovered from the October health emergency more or less. I wish you well and again offer you my apologies."

In response Vigilant commented, "Anyone want to take odds that the "apology" is of the form, "I'm sorry you made me hit you." ?" I responded, "Why write such inane nonsense, Vigilant?" He responded, "Because you're a douchebag." You then blocked me. So apparently threats of outing are fine, bad faith comments are fine, insults are fine. On your website I discovered that Captain Occam had a copy of the blackmail letter I was sent full of personal details purporting to be from a relative of mine. It was related to wikipedia and R&I, trying to threaten me unless I stopped editing wikipedia. A copy was forwarded to arbcom. It was evidently sent by Captain Occam or one of his associates. Previously attack pages were created by his friends on FurAffinity. On your website you have allowed Captain Occam the freedom (a) to suggest arbcom cases should be started about MastCell, Future Perfect at sunrise, me, etc (b) to offer to provide Cla68 with his private notes to pursue me in an arbcom case, which actually happened (c) to suggest which editors should be targeted for sanctions under R&I (e.g. ArtifexMayhem) and (d) to use your website as a platform/quasi-blog for promoting his own views on race-realism. How is that different from Mikemikev (talk · contribs · logs · block log) and his posting "Race articles on Misplaced Pages" http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t800062/ on Stormfront (website)? Seems very similar. Was that the intention in setting up your website? Mathsci (talk) 08:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's certainly an opinion.→StaniStani  19:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Unlike Captain Occam, I don't have a history of lying on wikipedia. I don't know why you reported the quote box above as a "claim" on wikipediocracy. If you had or have any doubts, you should just verify directly with EricBarbour whether he received such an email. Why not do so now and modify your posting there? You have my permission to include the full text concerning Russavia that I redacted, because it would not have been permissible on wikipedia.

The problem with wikipediocracy is its subculture of outing and bullying. Most of the current problems with the site on WP are due to that subculture. Some wikipediocrits have assumed that the subculture can be imported here. That has resulted in blocks, e.g. of Cla68. Mathsci (talk) 00:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Going to waste a few minutes here. Your last post here contains:

• A personal attack on an editor
• An ingenuous quibble
• A request to post something I don't have
• A theory about wikipediocracy I disagree with
• A theory about Misplaced Pages I disagree with
• Another theory about people on Wikipediocracy I disagree with
• An indirect attack on another editor

It's breathtaking, really. And yet I actually still sort of like you.

I'm going to go do something else evil, like make an omelet.→StaniStani  02:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no background knowledge of whatever has or is happening regarding R&I. What I do see is importation of whatever the nonsense is over onto WPO. For the record I think that R&I is bollocks, and deserves at most a footnote in some other article (probably racism). However, what I read on WPO is bickering mostly about whether P is or isn't Q, or whether they are R, or perhaps they are S. It doesn't matter because "R&I is bollocks, and deserves at most a footnote in some other article". John lilburne (talk) 07:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

On Wikipediocracy, Mathsci is no longer able to yatter on about the issue or his Wiki-opponents. His primary adversary there has been advised it would be a Very Bad Idea™ to discuss Mathsci. We have a couple R&I argumenteers remaining and perhaps I might mention right here that I don't want to see that issue rehashed at WPO.→StaniStani  08:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)