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May 15

Public transportation bus start to operating the automated annunciator system

Roughly when did the public buses started to do the automated annunicator system, in the case when you go on the bus and approach intersection,you often hear "Now approaching Crown Valley Pky and Marguerite Pky, transfer points through routes 82, 85, 212, and 216", or "Now approaching Alton Pky and Jeronimo Rd, TP through routes 86 and 211" or "Now approaching Culver Dr and Walnut Av, TP through rotues 66 and 79". I know in Orange County Trans. Authority, the bus systems does those, but I don't know when did these started. 1997, did it have that program, I remembered I start to take OCTA bus in Summer 2007, I didn't remember these buses have auto-announcement broadcast, but 2009 when i start to start bus, it had that. i start to learn more about bus and every buses have 4 digit pin code like 7553, 7545, 7515, 7575, 7568 (I think these are new fashioned buses) 5666, 5596, 5673, 5572, 5536 are like these types. I know the 22xx or 23xx are the cutaway buses with speakers on only the 53xx don't have the broadcast announcement systems. Is it only Orange County which maintains these system or Los Angeles County buses some of it have these systems. I thought all Los Angeles County buses are cutaway styles, so I doubt any of these LA buses operates announcement autobroadcasts. What about San Diego County? Any buses over there does automated announcements?--69.233.254.115 (talk) 03:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you asking specifically about Los Angeles buses? Because public transport all over the world used automated announcements. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it seems clear to me that he is asking only for information about Los Angeles buses. --Viennese Waltz 11:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

In Israel, the Egged bus company started approximately a year ago on the intercity line I travel on the northwest coast, and possibly elsewhere in the country. Nateev Express, a local company serving outlying areas, has yet to add these announcements. I would suppose older model buses can be retrofitted with the necessary equipment. It seems this in (tardy) compliance with accessibility laws to benefit passengers with visual impairments, as at around the same time, intersections in the town of Nahariya got audio-equipped notification systems for pedestrians at crosswalks, that at the press of a button announce the location and direction of the traffic signal.-- Deborahjay (talk) 10:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

A similar system has been in use in London since 2007. See London iBus system. Alansplodge (talk) 17:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm seeing that the system is actually called "Automatic Voice Annunciation". But I can't seem to find any SoCal archival news for it. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 18:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

With the buses in Orange County, when did they start announcement, the in formations are found Orange County Transportation Authority#Current, is just quite a bit for me to memorize. The table said 2101-2161 started in 2000 along with 7301-7320, and 2200-2399 started in 2001 along with 7401-7420, but the 5500-5678 and 7500-7592 started in 2007 to 2008, these are the ones I get most of the time.The 5121-5150 are the models made in 2008 --69.233.254.115 (talk) 23:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

May 16

Why did my question got bumped off?

I wrote a question on, I think, April ninth this year. It was about my love life, of course, the main concern of the question is some sort of advice from the readers.

Well, when I looked into the archives of this desk. My question got missing. It was gone, I guess. How do it happened. Actually, I was a new user in here. Thanks for some whom will answer this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.240.231 (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

The real question here is: Who is "I"? I ask this as there is no earlier Ref desk question from IP address 125.60.240.231, as you can see if you click on the linked address. -- Jack of Oz 07:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I says "who is you?" "This is Mr. Bones" --Trovatore (talk) 07:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I would guess it was removed because "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate." Answers to questions about your love life would be just that.196.214.78.114 (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

How to use chika dot com

Hi! May I ask those who were using the chika.com? How do you use this site on sending free SMS to a friend or someone. Could you tell me the steps on sending an SMS with the use of the said site? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.240.231 (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean Chikka? Chika dot com seems to redirect to a placeholder page with various adverts. Our article includes links to the various services provided by Chikka. It appears you have to register with the site to use their services. It might be quicker to explore the site and check their FAQ and help functions for yourself, rather than hoping that someone here may have used it and can explain it to you. - Karenjc 17:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Purchase Toyota HiAce

I am interested in purchasing one of the hiace super long custom 005? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.126.253 (talk) 11:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

(I added a heading to your question.)

Do you mean one of these? If so, please note there is no such thing as a 'hiace super long custom 005' - the '005' being a part of that image's file name. Nevertheless, you can enquire about purchasing a Toyota HiAce - a good place to start would probably be your local Toyota dealership. Toyota' Caribbean site lists Steele's Auto Supplies Co Ltd. as the distributor for Grenanda. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 11:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse for Spanish Misplaced Pages

I want to create or help to create like a Teahouse but in the Spanish Misplaced Pages. It sure will help.??? Thoughts?? User:Technical 13 thinks it is a great idea Can anyone help me??...Thanks Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

This is not a reference desk issue. --Onorem♠Dil 14:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

The primary people involved in organizing the Teahouse were User:SarahStierch and User:Heatherawalls, if you want help of insight into porting this idea to other language Wikipedias, they would be the first people I would go to for help. --Jayron32 17:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

May 17

Did Misplaced Pages decrease its font size?

All of a sudden Misplaced Pages's font size seems much smaller, and it can't be because I'm using a different computer -- because I'm using the same one I've used for months now. It's very difficult to read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.5.201 (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Have you accidentally reduced the font size? Try holding down the Ctrl key and turning the click wheel. --Viennese Waltz 05:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Or just "Ctrl +" to increase or Ctrl -" to decrease. 196.214.78.114 (talk) 07:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Or Ctrl 0 to bring it back to standard. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

If those don't work tell us what browser you are using. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 20:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Moroccan powdered coffee

A friend brought me back some loose coffee from Morocco. It's ground to a fine powder, almost like talcum. You add it to (just enough) cold water, in a saucepan, and boil it. It's delicious, Does this type/ method of making coffee have a name? Is it sold in the UK? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

That method is most commonly known as Turkish coffee, or sometimes as Arabic coffee, I believe. It is ubiquitous in the Middle East, with minor variations. Looie496 (talk) 14:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

That's the stuff; thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I have found it on sale in at least one UK delicatessen, and amazon.co.uk sells it at a fiver a tin (other suppliers are available). - Karenjc 16:26, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Tax protesters and dumb legal claims (in various countries)

We have a nice article about US tax protesters and it has a link to a very nice case book of stupid arguments. I read it for the entertainment value, it's pretty insane what people claim - I highly recommend it. I was wondering, however, if there are equivalent sort of things for other English-speaking (and Common Law) countries. Specifically, I am not so much looking for individual cases where e.g. people claimed they aren't the same person if their name is spelled in all caps or are ambassadors or whatever, but for a long list of the things people claim, with examples of what they claimed and maybe judges' responses, like in the external link I gave above. Since a large proportion of nonsense derives from specifically American things (like various constitutional amendments, whether IRS exists and what it is, whether the states are actually parts of the US, etc.), I am curious as to what replaces this for other countries. I am not specifically interested in tax-related things, it's just that those cases tend to be ones where the crazies come out in force, but really any sorts of claims where people make delusional claims about the legal systems and look for insane loopholes would be good. --216.239.45.78 (talk) 23:11, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Claiming to be a different entity with all caps than with mixed case is sometimes called the "Unix defense". ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Freemen on the land and sovereign citizen movement look like good starting points. --Carnildo (talk) 23:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they are, but they only give a small selection. I am looking for a comprehensive list. Plus this only includes one kind of legal reasoning and not stories like this one from the US:

Plaintiff brought a nearly incoherent lawsuit, alleging that he was immune to federal laws - presumably including the tax laws - against one person who was clearly his buddy and 100 unidentified "John and Jane Does" who were apparently govt employees, with the one buddy immediately confessing judgment on behalf of all his co-defendants)

Perhaps there's simply not that level of creative legal sophistication outside of the US:) 216.239.45.78 (talk) 23:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

There certainly is on the part of the lawmakers. The following is part of Australian tax law, specifically s.165-55 of the A New Tax System (Goods and Services) Act 1999 :

For the purpose of making a declaration under this Subdivision, the Commissioner may:

a) treat a particular event that actually happened as not having happened; and

b) treat a particular event that did not actually happen as having happened and, if appropriate, treat the event as:

i) having happened at a particular time; and

ii) having involved particular action by a particular entity; and

c) treat a particular event that actually happened as:

i) having happened at a time different from the time it actually happened; or

ii) having involved particular action by a particular entity (whether or not the event actually involved any action by that entity).

How's that! -- Jack of Oz 01:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow. Any idea what could be the purpose of that language (which happens at least twice in Australian tax law)? --jpgordon 06:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Presumably, since they can say that something that happened, didn't, and that something that didn't happen, did, they are making sure that whatever did or did not happen you still have to pay taxes! -- Arwel Parry (talk) 15:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the Act that Jack was kind enough to link, it's part of the anti-avoidance section (section 165, the purpose of which is explained in s165.1). It essentially means that if someone is playing silly buggers with loopholes to avoid paying taxes, the government can declare that, "no, you didn't just do that, and you do still have to pay taxes on that transaction as if you had carried it out normally". Taking the one clause out of context looks really weird, but it makes a lot more sense as part of the entire piece of legislation.

A number of countries' tax codes now include GAARs – General Anti-Avoidance Rules – to broadly bar similar schemes, or they incorporate such anti-avoidance provisions into specific tax laws. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

May 18

The character "娬" in early Chinese computer character sets

I'm not sure whether this question should be categorized under Computing or Language, but here it is:

I have a friend from China whose name contains the character 娬 (wǔ). However, when she went to get her (computer-produced) ID card during the 1990s, she was told that this particular character could not be produced with the computer systems that existed back then, so they substituted the character 斌 in its place, which, although visually similar, has a completely different pronunciation (bīn). Could this be explained by the limitations of early Chinese character sets such as GB2312? In other words, is it true that GB2312 (and possibly other early character sets) did not contain the character 娬? 24.47.141.254 (talk) 05:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

This is an ancient character. It is not in my small dictionary of 10000 characters, but is in a larger one. (the meaning is connected with beauty). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Plastic Bags

Why do plastic shopping bags from UK supermarkets like ASDA have four little circular holes in the bottom? Surely it can't be for airflow, as the holes are in the bottom and are likely to be covered by what's in the bag. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 11:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

To make it less likely that rug rats will suffocate? Dismas| 11:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

This not quite reliable source appears to agree that it's for suffocation hazards. Dismas| 11:18, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

If someone finds a reliable source, perhaps this information should be included in our Plastic shopping bag article.--Shantavira| 12:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I suppose that makes sense. Children do tend to like putting things over their heads, but I didn't think it was for that reason. So why is it that just the free bags have these holes, and not the ones you pay 5p for (the 'Bag For Life', as they call it in ASDA)? Is there a regulation on this, or is it just voluntary on the part of the organization making/distributing the bags? KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 20:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

The 5p bags tend to be slightly heavier plastic so although not impossible it is not so easy for the rug rats to suffocate as it is with the very thin free bags. MilborneOne (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Cheers - you've answered my question perfectly. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 21:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Pigeons

Beginning hobby / is there any way to determine the sex of adult pigeons? Mine are gray with some colorful blue green plumage. This is my first experience with pigeons , so I am open to Advilce & help from experienced/knowledgable response.

15:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.193.12.14 (talk)

Removed duplicate post, seems Jayron32 and I both did one former and one latter lol. Addressing the question since they are adults you could wait around for a few months and if all else is in working order that would prove it for sure. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 16:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Sexing Pigeons. μηδείς (talk) 21:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

• Rule 34? --Jayron32 21:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

• • Not really, at least not the first few dozen hits. μηδείς (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

It depends on the species/breed. Homing_pigeon#Sexual_dimorphism explains how the sexes can be differentiated by external morphology. Others may need to be flipped over and fiddled with, as shown in Medeis' link above. If you are starting to raise/breed pigeons, I highly recommend you find and join a local club , as this kind of info doesn't transmit very well online. SemanticMantis (talk) 13:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Been away from Misplaced Pages for 4 years.

Hello Everyone! I just created a new account and look forward to being a Wikipedian again. I last edited in July 2009 and haven't even been on Misplaced Pages at all since then. I have two questions about what may have changed. 1. What is the current consensus on paid editing? Did the issue of paid editing ever get resolved? (I remember it was pretty contentious back in 08-09). 2. What is the role of Jimbo Wales here these days?

Also, is there anything else that has changed remarkably that I need to know about? I look forward to reading all your answers. Thanks. Bacon Avacado Burrito (talk) 23:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

See WP:PAID and WP:JIMBO. Looie496 (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

See WP:PAY regarding paid editing. RudolfRed (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/Archives/Years. (You seem to have misspelled "avocado". See wikt:avocado.)

—Wavelength (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

See "History of Misplaced Pages".—Wavelength (talk) 23:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. That seems like a lot of reading though and I'm getting into middle age. Would you mind summarizing the issues for me in your own words? Thanks. (As far as the Avacado thing, I did misspell it, but I copied it verbatim from the menu of the cafe I was at earlier.) Now, about those summaries...Bacon Avacado Burrito (talk) 23:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

The Schnitzel Syndrome is apparently alive and well. -- Jack of Oz 23:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Paid editing is tolerated, provided it's neutral, but WP:conflict of interest promotion leads to death by WP:TROUTing. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:56, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm surprised about the WP:PAY section. Back four to six years ago paid editing sparked reams and reams of heated debate, hurt feelings, and banned editors. Now it's just a few paragraphs in the COI policy, huh? Wow. So what's the current "hot topics"? Bacon Avacado Burrito (talk) 00:03, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

We had a bit of a row about not putting references on every post on the Reference Desk a few months ago...

Probably the most important development is a greatly increased focus on preventing abuses in biographies of living persons; see WP:BLP. Looie496 (talk) 15:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Note that it's not like paid editing controversy has gone away. There have been several hot issues of the last year or two where it came in to play sometimes in addition to other stuff besides COI, e.g. Bell Pottinger which lead to amongst other things, , /, Gibraltarpedia. There are of course also various COI related ones where paid editing is not necessarily a major factor, including one involving User:Qworty which is active right now. See also List of Misplaced Pages controversies and Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2012-10-01/Paid editing. Note that as Looie496 said, there is also a focus on protecting BLPs (I don't know if I'd say it's greatly increased since IMO we were already fairly focused on it 4 years ago, although it's definitely greatly increased since 6-8 years or so ago) and when it comes to editors, avoiding outing so I (and we) have to be careful what I said in reply. Nil Einne (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

• Aren't porn/paedophilia, and scientology recent issues of great import as well? I haven't come across them here, but there were huge mentions in the press. μηδείς (talk) 03:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
  • How long ago was that Virgin Killer dustup where Misplaced Pages got blocked from the entire Island of Great Britain? (addendum) Wow. That was 5 years ago. Tempus fugit. --Jayron32 17:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Guns in towels

I know nothing about guns. Why do I see that TV characters so often have their handguns (usually hidden) wrapped in a cloth or towel? I hide things, but not normally wrapped in towels. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 23:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Because it's soft and also will leave the gun in a shiny lustre. Plus a towel (especially an Italian waiter's towel) can also be used as an imprompteuax silencer if you need to shoot your local crime boss and take over his "action." (a la the flashback scenes in Godfather II) Bacon Avacado Burrito (talk) 23:56, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

You're not specific about when you see them hidden. When the character is holding it (presumably intending to fire) or when it's hidden in storage or what? If it's while being carried (and intended to be shot) a towel is a benign object that is often carried over a person's arm. So, nobody notices. If shot, the bullet will exit but the gun won't be seen by bystanders if it's under a towel. Shot is fired. Everyone looks around. You're just some guy with a towel running away with everyone else. If it's hidden but in storage, it doesn't mar the finish of the gun. Dismas| 01:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Leon Czolgosz shot William McKinley with a gun wrapped in a handkerchief.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant they are wrapped in towels when they are hidden during storage. I have recently seen this on Sons of Anarchy, when a hidden gun is pulled out of the back of a drawer, and True Blood, when a gun is pulled out of what looks like a chimney or a hole in a wall. I also saw it recently on a third show, probably Breaking Bad, because I commented to myself that was the second time I had seen it when I did on SoA. μηδείς (talk) 02:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

It is to keep it clean. Covering it with a towel can stop dust getting into the mechanism while in storage, as dust can cause the gun to malfunction. The towel itself is also used when stripping down a gun to clean its parts. Might as well keep them together. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 08:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

The answers make sense, although I would have expected guns come with cases. The towel thing struck me as about as odd as people keeping their cars under down comforters. μηδείς (talk) 15:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

The contrast and the manual action of revealing contents may introduce a desired element of drama. If a gun is hidden in a "chimney or a hole in a wall" it needs to be presented to the viewer as not just junk, but rather a valuable and protected object. Guns may come with "cases" but cases may not fit into chimneys or holes in the wall. The towel may reduce the size of the secreted object relative to a comparable case. The towel-wrapped gun may conform better to available space. Generating fear in an audience is a high priority at a point at which a weapon is revealed in a story. For dramatic effect, the primitive brutality of the gun may be presaged better by the more simple associations brought to mind by a towel than by the more complex and nuanced associations brought to mind by a made-to-order gun case. Bus stop (talk) 15:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I do get your point about the reveal, but in all three cases it seemed more to present the idea that "this is the way people wo have hidden guns store them" than "bet you didn't know what was in the towel". In all three cases it was obvious from the shape of the wrapped item what it was, and even before the item was seen that the character was in need of a gun. What would really have been surprising would have been if the towel-wrapped item had proven to be something other than a gun. μηδείς (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

They're just trying to get a clean shot. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

There are contrasting qualities between textile and steel. The gun is a great equalizer, sometimes making the weak strong. At a point in a story that you may be describing, a turning point may be developing. There may be a foreshadowing of a change of events by the cloaking of the strong in the soft. The storytelling thus may be advanced not just by that which is explicit but also by qualities that are implicit and not consciously noted. Bus stop (talk) 17:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Good speculative literary criticism! But it doesn't apply in the two scenes I am thinking of, with Jax Taylor in Sons of Anarchy or the Shapeshifter vs the Maenad (well, maybe that one) in True Blood. μηδείς (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

So, apart from Wehwalt's links, is this simply a chat forum? What is the encyclopedic benefit of this thread? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

May 19

Powerball

What channel can I watch the Powerball drawings live? I live in California. Thanks in advance. 71.146.1.122 (talk) 01:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

You may not be able to. I didn't see anything on the CA lottery site and the powerball site doesn't show any California TV stations . RudolfRed (talk) 03:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

This is their official youtube channel here. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 04:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Address

Can anyone find the mailing address of the God Bless America Fund for Redistribution? My Google-fu has failed me. (If you're curious, they own the rights to the song God Bless America and disperse profits to the Girl and Boy Scouts of America.) Sophus Bie 11:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the capital 'R' in 'redistribution' in thart article is incorrect, which has led you to think that there is an organization called the God Bless America Fund for Redistribution. The 'r' should be in lower case, and the fund is just called the God Bless America Fund. See here for a reference. I can't find the address of the Fund either, but I imagine it is administered by the trustees of Irving Berlin's estate. --Viennese Waltz 11:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Aha! I guess I was right the first time around; the article made me think that I had been searching incorrectly. In any case, I still need the address (of the trustees or otherwise) in order to request permission to arrange. Sophus Bie 11:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Although I can't supply a mailing address, the sheet music I have for the piece indicates at the bottom the following: Copyright 1939 by Irving Berlin, Inc. Copyright assigned to Herbert Swope, Theodore Roosevelt Jr. and Gene Tunney, as Trustees. It may be that there are specific trustees for the piece of music separate from the trustees of the composer's estate. I hope this helps in your search.--Romantic Mollusk (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that info is outdated, they seem to be the original trustees. This gives a 2001/2002 list . (The LOC link above also has a different list which appears to be the trustees sometime in 2000/2001 and before.) BTW, the trust also collects royalties for a few other songs. Nil Einne (talk) 22:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

May 20

Identifying New York building

http://www.worldtradepress.com/wp-content/uploads/new-york-1876-antique-map.png

At the extreme bottom left of Manhattan is a round building. Does anyone know what that is (was)? 86.160.221.252 (talk) 01:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That's Fort Clinton -- what remains is now known as Castle Clinton. Looie496 (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Cool, thank you! 86.160.221.252 (talk) 01:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

sonic drive-in located in cleveland ms

In what year was the Sonic Drive-in of Cleveland, MS relocated to its current location? In the early 1990's it was located across the street from where it is currently located. What year was the relocation?96.18.113.71 (talk) 16:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You may wish to try Google News and search only the 1990's, aside from that potentially the county courthouse or the appraisers office may have online access and will give the date of the property transfer or building permits, or you could always stop in the county courthouse for that information. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 17:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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