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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Religious views of Adolf Hitler. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Hello. I have submitted a draft edit of the introduction for Religious views of Adolf Hitler in a new section on its talk page. I have invited you and Ozhistory there so that a consensus may be made on the actual copy. Thanks, Deadbeef (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hitler

Greengrounds, there seems to be hope of progress now on Religious views of Adolf Hitler. No doubt some of your approach (particularly editing without discussing on talk page) is due to newness to wikipedia. However, I feel I must point out something you absolutely cannot do. You cannot change sourced text which you have not read to match a view you hold, but the cited author does not hold. To give a simple example, yesterday you changed the text quoting Bullock saying Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist to say that he called him a rationalist and materialist Catholic. Bullock said no such thing, in fact he said Hitler did not believe in God and "showed only the sharpest hostility" to the teachings of the Catholic church. You also changed the Enc. Brit. quote to cite Bormann in place of Hitler, when clearly the text describes Hitler's view. This all suggests that the issue of Hitler's views on religion is more complicated than you realise.

As for quoting Hitler speeches where he said he was "Christian", to prove that he was "Christian" - just do a little research on why he was saying that. Often it was because either Catholic leaders, for example, had condemned him as anti-Christian, or because Nazi texts like The Myth of the 20th Century had confirmed the Nazis were neo-pagans, and it was not politically expedient for Hitler's party to be seen as anti-Christian when they wanted to win seats at elections, or the support of the conservative President von Hindenberg. Another quote you like to give is that Hitler told a general he was a Catholic in 1941. Well, as you may or may not know, Hitler never trusted his generals, in large part because of their conservatism, and when the Catholic Claus von Stauffenberg finally tried to blow Hitler up in 1944, one of the reasons was Hitler's oppression of the church. I suggest you do read Bullock, but also just read through Hitler's Table Talk for yourself and get a feel for Hitler (per Bormann)'s views on a range of religious issues. The text is to be treated with some caution, but it is still worth reading. Now happy editing and enjoy your time on wikipedia! Goodbye. Ozhistory (talk) 00:45, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

All Christians have their reasons for publicly declaring their faith. Hitler was no different.Greengrounds (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Religious views of Adolf Hitler. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Deadbeef (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I only said I apologize in advance IF you are legitimately retarded, I didn't say he was retarded. None the less, I will heed your warning. I do however wish to bring to your attention that he has also slandered me, repeatedly and publicly accusing me of vandalism, and making claims that I logged in as an anonymous user and undid his edits. I would appreciate the fair treatment and you should also warn him not to slander and make unfounded accusations.Greengrounds (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello. I have once again submitted a draft lede paragraph for Religious views of Adolf Hitler at the bottom of the same section as before. I invite you and Ozhistory to comment on it. Deadbeef 02:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Greengrounds, I am genuinely concerned by your behaviour. Half a dozen editors have now tried to engage with you over this page, but all we ever seem to get from you are highly personal attacks that completely fail to engage with the substance of the historical arguments. I think you should remember Deadbeef's earlier warning about being blocked. While I have noted that Ozhistory also appears to have an agenda, Ozhistory is at least thoughtful, considerate and takes the time and trouble to do proper research before altering the article. At the moment, you are not doing that. I suggest you need a very fast change of tack.Hcc01 (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hcc01 (talk) you're one to talk! You tore up another user and came up with NOTHING... except for the braggartly, unfounded claim that "I am an expert on Hitler... you are not!". Okay bye.Greengrounds (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Greengrounds - see my reply on the other page for my qualifications. Once again, you are being abusive - and what's worrying is that you cannot see it. I did not 'tear up' the other user - I pointed out errors of fact. I did not abuse them, and I agreed on some points. You on the other hand, are merely an extremely rude person who has so far said nothing constructive. Once more Greengrounds - write anything you like, as long as it's backed by good sources that have survived peer review. Otherwise, take your bias and your vandalism elsewhere. I will not respond to any more of your posts that merely contain childish abuse (which includes almost the entirety of your postings on Hitler's religious views). If you can engage intelligently with the substance of the debate, that's fine, and I'm happy to discuss matters with you. It might be helpful, especially to you if everyone else takes that approach as well.Hcc01 (talk) 08:30, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

.Hcc01 (talk) You pointed out "errors in fact" in a cocky abusive way, without providing a SLIVER of evidence that they were errors, other than you OPINION that they were errors. I'm sorry what have I done that's rude? You being overly sensitive does not equate to me being rude. If you can't handle reality (which you can't if you deny the Christian link to the killing of 6 million Jews), then of course you will be offended when reality bites you in the butt. You go around acting like a hypocrite, from time to time you will get called one. Anyway, COOL STORY, bro please stay off of my talk page with unfounded accusations of vandalism. If you feel I am vandalizing a Wiki, please feel free to take it to a mod, or at least point out the specific act of vandalism to me, so I am aware! My god. I hope you are using you PhD to teach high school history classes without putting an apologetic spin on things. You are really doing the world a disservice if you are. Keep in mind, you dictate your high school class however you want, but here on Misplaced Pages, you're not the boss. I am a full grown adult and I can think for myself, and I don't need someone bragging about their Phd to tell me how to think. I know how to use logic and rational thought, and I don't think you necessarily do. Greengrounds (talk) 09:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013 edit of Jihad article

The edit summary that you provided for a recent edit seemed misleading, and the edit itself appeared to insert information that would be generally considered incorrect, so I reverted the edit. I suggest a more cautious approach to editing this article in the future. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Though it may seem unpopular to religionist apologists, the doctrine of Jihad is meant to be an "armed" struggle to spread the religion, as evidenced by real life action of it's practitioners and as evidenced by the highly relevant Encyclopedia on Islam citation that I provided.Greengrounds (talk) 23:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)