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Fails WP:GNG. Aside from fawning mentions in fashion columns, this person seems to be notable only for being the wife of a politician. Yes, some call her a princess but India - a republic - has long since abolished all royal titles and those who apply them now do so for reasons of vanity. Sitush (talk) 09:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

In the 26th amendment to the Constitution of India promulgated in 1971, the Government of India abolished all official symbols of princely India, including titles, privileges, and remuneration (privy purses).

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• Keep Oppose (1) Has been in Verve's "Best dressed - 2008" Hall of fame list. (2)Though officially deprived of titles they are used popularly, she is considered India's top five princeses, internationally too she is addressed as a princess and is the patron of University of Manchester's scholarship programme. (3)She is the head of Maharaja Sir Jiwaji Rao Scindia Museum and the Gwalior foundation and the governing council of Save the children (4) Government publications too mention her as H.H. Maharani Shrimant Priyadarshini Raje Scindia (5)He is addressed as a "royal" by international royalty. (6) She is president of Scindia Kanya Vidyalaya. (6)She is a celebrity socialite (numerous links Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Changed YK's vote from Oppose to Keep. We use "Keep" and "Delete" at AFDs. The AfD Vote Counter doesn't understand Oppose. Well... it doesn't even understand unbolded Delete. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:40, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Hm. Good digging but most of what you have found seems like trivia.

• Ok, some people like the way she dresses and some group that seems to amount to a "lad's mag" think she looks "hot" - no Miss World or similar, though.
• Patronage of a minor university's scholarship programme, especially when it is keen to attract students from India, says more about the university than about her.
• Sure, she is the head of a couple of things that her husband's family seem to have set up: they seem to be fairly minor things and can you imagine us, for example, listing every charity/school/similar that a member of the British royal family patronised?
• The "government publication" looks more like a forum index to me - what are we supposed to be looking at there?
• How she is addressed by other royals is irrelevant - still a vanity title, it is in fact just one royal in your example, and diplomacy says they'll play along with the vanity.

The fact is, she is not even a pretender and we are not a genealogy website. So, this really seems to boil down to whether she is notable as a socialite (possible, but don't we dumb down enough here already? Do we have any decent sources rather than gossip rags etc?) or because of her involvement with India's Save The Children organisation (which I suspect is not tremendously different from her involvement with the University of Westminster). - Sitush (talk) 16:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep: Seems to be a notable socialite. Seen in various functions and covered that way through newspapers. Eg. HT Leadership Summit 2011. Also listed 2nd on Top 5 Indian Princesses by Yahoo. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:53, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

• I really don't want to start badgering but I think it best to reiterate that the Yahoo "top 5" is basically a meatmarket list from some sort of obscure "lad's magazine". She is arbitrarily listed based on her looks, not her achievements, her family's titular rank among the hierarchy of royals or similar. I could accept that if she was a contestant in some formal setting, such as Miss World or Miss India, but she is not and I'm not even sure that she has ever worked as a professional model. I could create my own top five list right now and get it published on Yahoo. - Sitush (talk) 08:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete: She is not a notable person. His husband and father is a notable persons. Her page can not be accepted on the basis of her Husband`s and Father`s notability. I did not find any notable work carried out by her.Jussychoulex (talk) 04:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
• Comment: As it stands, the article looks eligible for Speedy Deletion CD:A7, as it doesn't even make any claims of importance. So if whatever is in those sources shows notability, it needs to be written in the article too. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete: At most, this page could be merged with that of her husband Sesamevoila (talk) 09:21, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete - There is nothing of substance in the article. The first line says it all. To call her a princess of any sort is an illusion, facetious and a non-starter. By that reasoning Elizabeth II is the empress of India.--Zananiri (talk) 10:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete: I agree that she is not a notable person. Delljvc (talk) 23:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Keep: She is India's top 5 princess: http://in.lifestyle.yahoo.com/5-indian-princesses-121204767.html, I just don't know why Sitush is so much against with her. You are so aggressively denying everyone who is trying to keep this article. I think you have some personal issues with her. But apart from your mindset, Priyadarshini Raje Scindia is well deserved article. 117.217.90.138 (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

1. "The Constitution (26 Amendment) Act, 1971", indiacode.nic.in, Government of India, 1971, retrieved 9 November 2011
2. 1. Ramusack, Barbara N. (2004). The Indian princes and their states. Cambridge University Press. p. 278. ISBN 978-0-521-26727-4. Retrieved 6 November 2011., "Through a constitutional amendment passed in 1971, Indira Gandhi stripped the princes of the titles, privy purses and regal privileges which her father's government had granted." (p 278). 2. Naipaul, V. S. (8 April 2003), India: A Wounded Civilization, Random House Digital, Inc., pp. 37–, ISBN 978-1-4000-3075-0, retrieved 6 November 2011 Quote: "The princes of India – their number and variety reflecting to a large extent the chaos that had come to the country with the break up of the Mughal empire – had lost real power in the British time. Through generations of idle servitude they had grown to specialize only in style. A bogus, extinguishable glamour: in 1947, with Independence, they had lost their state, and Mrs. Gandhi in 1971 had, without much public outcry, abolished their privy purses and titles." (pp 37–38). 3. Schmidt, Karl J. (1995), An atlas and survey of South Asian history, M.E. Sharpe, p. 78, ISBN 978-1-56324-334-9, retrieved 6 November 2011 Quote: "Although the Indian states were alternately requested or forced into union with either India or Pakistan, the real death of princely India came when the Twenty-sixth Amendment Act (1971) abolished the princes' titles, privileges, and privy purses." (page 78). 4. Breckenridge, Carol Appadurai (1995), Consuming modernity: public culture in a South Asian world, U of Minnesota Press, pp. 84–, ISBN 978-0-8166-2306-8, retrieved 6 November 2011 Quote: "The third stage in the political evolution of the princes from rulers to citizens occurred in 1971, when the constitution ceased to recognize them as princes and their privy purses, titles, and special privileges were abolished." (page 84). 5. Guha, Ramachandra (5 August 2008), India After Gandhi: The History of the World's Largest Democracy, HarperCollins, pp. 441–, ISBN 978-0-06-095858-9, retrieved 6 November 2011 Quote: "Her success at the polls emboldened Mrs. Gandhi to act decisively against the princes. Through 1971, the two sides tried and failed to find a settlement. The princes were willing to forgo their privy purses, but hoped at least to save their titles. But with her overwhelming majority in Parliament, the prime minister had no need to compromise. On 2 December she introduced a bill to amend the constitution and abolish all princely privileges. It was passed in the Lok Sabha by 381 votes to six, and in the Rajya Sabha by 167 votes to seven. In her own speech, the prime minister invited 'the princes to join the elite of the modern age, the elite which earns respect by its talent, energy and contribution to human progress, all of which can only be done when we work together as equals without regarding anybody as of special status.' " (page 441). 6. Cheesman, David (1997). Landlord power and rural indebtedness in colonial Sind, 1865-1901. London: Routledge. pp. 10–. ISBN 978-0-7007-0470-5. Retrieved 6 November 2011. Quote: "The Indian princes survived the British Raj by only a few years. The Indian republic stripped them of their powers and then their titles." (page 10). 7. Merriam-Webster, Inc (1997), Merriam-Webster's geographical dictionary, Merriam-Webster, pp. 520–, ISBN 978-0-87779-546-9, retrieved 6 November 2011 Quote: "Indian States: "Various (formerly) semi-independent areas in India ruled by native princes .... Under British rule ... administered by residents assisted by political agents. Titles and remaining privileges of princes abolished by Indian government 1971." (page 520). 8. Ward, Philip (September 1989), Northern India, Rajasthan, Agra, Delhi: a travel guide, Pelican Publishing, pp. 91–, ISBN 978-0-88289-753-0, retrieved 6 November 2011 Quote: "A monarchy is only as good as the reigning monarch: thus it is with the princely states. Once they seemed immutable, invincible. In 1971 they were "derecognized," their privileges, privy purses and titles all abolished at a stroke" (page 91)

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