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"''He issued two 2-year blocks of IPs in May 2013 without any escalating blocks—one was a school IP he called vandalism only''". Well, the block log for that IP - '''twelve''' previous blocks, including three of a year. The had two previous blocks, the last of two months, but as usual with these accounts, practically no useful edits, so I don't think such a block was unusual. If this amount of accuracy is repeated in the rest of PumpkinSky's allegations, this report is clearly a tit-for-tat response to his blocking and as such, is disruptive in itself. And, as previous mentioned, ] is still a redlink. ] (]) 10:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC) "''He issued two 2-year blocks of IPs in May 2013 without any escalating blocks—one was a school IP he called vandalism only''". Well, the block log for that IP - '''twelve''' previous blocks, including three of a year. The had two previous blocks, the last of two months, but as usual with these accounts, practically no useful edits, so I don't think such a block was unusual. If this amount of accuracy is repeated in the rest of PumpkinSky's allegations, this report is clearly a tit-for-tat response to his blocking and as such, is disruptive in itself. And, as previous mentioned, ] is still a redlink. ] (]) 10:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
* We now have a list of diffs, which add up to a enormous pile of ... not a lot. If PS ''genuinely'' thinks there is an issue here, it needs to go to RFCU. It certainly isn't an ArbCom issue. ] (]) 13:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC) * We now have a list of diffs, which add up to a enormous pile of ... not a lot. If PS ''genuinely'' thinks there is an issue here, it needs to go to RFCU. It certainly isn't an ArbCom issue. ] (]) 13:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

===Statement by <s>Pompous Ass</s> Drmies===
That I didn't get blocked for calling someone a "pompous ass" is not evidence of much, certainly not of double standards. Whether someone gets blocked for something is probably much more dependent on how many people are watching, and who those people are. Having said that, I thought Doc James's block was over the top, but I cannot yet support sending this to arbitration since I also am not convinced of a pattern of bad decisions by Doc James. ] (]) 13:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


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Jmh649

Initiated by PumpkinSky talk at 01:01, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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Statement by PumpkinSky

I have documented sixteen instances (26 if you count a set of page protections separately) since Jmh649 (AKA “Doc J/Doc James”) became an admin in Aug 2010 where he has abused his admin rights, made involved admin actions, and/or engaged in conduct unbecoming an admin. These include the Mar 2011 case of King97tut where he blocks said user, then protects the page in dispute and blocks an alleged sock of the user. In June 2011 he edit warred with Garycompugeek, he reported the editor and both of them got chastised and the page protected. In a Jul 2012 edit war with 32cllou he reports said user and no violation was found. In a Sep 2012 dispute with 7mike5000 Doc J is accused of admin abuse. Deception was pointed out by an arb in the attempted return of Will Beback in Mar 2013. Jmh648 apparently released an email by an arb in Mar 2013. He issued two 2-year blocks of IPs in May 2013 without any escalating blocks—one was a school IP he called vandalism only. He issued eleven protections just in 2013 where he was a main editor—six of them the primary editor. In one of those cases he said new users must use a talk page first. He was tag teaming in April 2013 to get Fgmoon353 blocked. In an edit war in Apr 2013 with Sthubbar he got said user blocked. In an edit war/dispute in Apr 2013 with user WoodSnake, he reported him but no one agreed with Doc J. There was a highly involved, (apparently) undiscussed, unblock of Fladrif in Apr 2013—the unblock was overturned and Doc J claimed blocking admin provided no reasons but said admin had done so. He told three users, Keithbob, Dreadstar, and Littleolive oil, not to post to his talk page, and threatened to block the last two himself if they posted on his talk again. And most recently, a highly involved block of myself in Jun 2013 for using a phrase that another admin had used in which no action was taken. Yet in my case Doc J gave no warning and blocked me. This block was unanimously opposed in two separate threads and overturned in slightly over 4 hours. By my count 22 of these actions are involved and most are in 2013. There seems to be a definite downward trend. PumpkinSky talk 01:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

    • @all who have posted so far and want evidence, here it is:

Fladrif and Doc J are involved:

Still TM involvement 3 years later:

    • 23 May 2013 -
    • 23 May 2013 -
    • 23 May 2013 -
    • 23 May 2013 -
    • 23 May 2013 -
    • 23 May 2013 -
  • April 27, 2013
    • 5:27 UTC - Ched blocked Fladrif
    • 8:21 UTC - Doc James unblocked with accusation in block log of "involved" - but that is unsubstantiated and not true
    • Doc J made the claim here: Comment Strange how Ched who is involved would take it upon himself to block Fladrif. I oppose the indef block and have unblocked the user in question until consensus develops. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 08:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
    • 8:25 UTC - Doc James makes FIRST comment on Ched's talk /informing/ him of unblock .. never discussed it with Ched.
  • Littleolive oil threats:
    • Published email by Roger Davies
    • Threatens to block Dreadstar for posting to his talk, epitome of involved:
    • Tells Keithbob and Littleolive oil not to post on his talk page:
    • Deceptive in the WBB return
    • 2 year blocks:
    • Long series of page protections where is is a main contributor, a few from just 2013):
    • Edit war with Sthubbar over Osteoarthritis
  • 07-14 Jun 2011 - Doc J edit wars with Garycompugeek, reports him, review chastizes both users and protects page

Statement by Jmh649 (Doc James)

Any diffs to support these accusations to make them easier to respond to? Also isn't this a little early? No RfC/U has taken place, no dispute resolution.

Many comments made by PS are inappropriate and these issues go back a long time. They include among others:

  1. June 16th 2013 "You want professionals? Go hire some and pay them. I don't volunteer my time to put up with pompous asses like you."
  2. June 5th 2013 "Sandy, how damned sanctimonious of you. The lessons you should have learned here have been totally lost on you. Have you checked your precious MEDRS stuff for compliance lately?"
  3. June 5th 2013 "Karma will take care of the rest" is a strange comment
  4. June 2nd 2013 "I can by to see what you were up to and saw you haven't edited in three months. Good riddance because the way you and Townlake behaved on my talk page in Oct 2012 was appalling. You should be ashamed on both a personal and admin level. But I'm sure you're not. But that is okay because karma will get you and I won't have to do a thing." and
  5. Other concerning comments include: with issues occurring back in July 2011 as well

Pumpkin was warned here I was not previously involved with Pumpkinsky.

Were is the evidence that I was in an edit war with User:WoodSnake? This user has not made a single content edit, ever. User:Fgmoon353 removed this review article in edits like this and this . I posted a request for further input regarding this question on the talk page here With respect to the 2 year IP blocks PS must be referring to this one which was blocked for 2 month Jan 2013 and two weeks in June 2012. This was the users previous edits and . The other IP had been blocked 9 times previously and the previous block had been for nearly two years. Vandalism included and among others. So I do not understand the statement that no shorter blocks had been given before these 2 year blocks as this is not what the block log shows.

With respect to User:Dreadstar here is the post were I asked that he not post on my talk page . I did not state that I would block him myself, just that someone may. With respect to Olive, I crossed out my error here and would have never blocked the user in question as I was involved. Yes I blocked User:King97tut for legal threats made here . I have previously had a user on Misplaced Pages make similar legal threats against me and than proceed to carry them out per This was more than two years ago and I agree I should have probably gone through ANI. I am unsure how reporting User:32cllou to 3RR is against the "rules" as IMO it was closer to 5 or 6 reverts. The user was never blocked and has recently made some useful edits

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 05:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Statement by Mathsci

There seems to be no reason to open an arbcom case on Jmh649. PumpkinSky was blocked for 48 hours by Jmh649 for incivility (he called another editor a "pompous ass") on 16 June. He was unblocked on 17 June after a posting by Dennis Brown at WP:ANI. 5 days later he produced this request. Arbitration is a last resort and is usually preceded by other forms of dispute resolution: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Jmh649 is still a redlink. PumpkinSky has assembled a list of complaints, including claims of tag teaming, which, without supporting diffs or careful justification, arbitrators are expected to accept on trust. Mathsci (talk) 06:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Statement by Anthonyhcole

I'm not familiar with most of the cases PumpkinSky refers to above, but I'm very familiar with the 7mike5000 case. I consider Mike a friend, but a troubled and very troublesome person at times. James's treatment of Mike was measured and patient in the face of very challenging behaviour on Mike's part. If PumpkinSky's characterisation of James's behaviour in that case is any measure, I would recommend very careful scrutiny of his other allegations. (I'm on the board of m:Wiki Project Med with James, and I'm unaware of having had any dealings with PumpkinSky). --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 08:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Statement by IRWolfie-

No diffs are offered, merely a string of allegations and vagueness. This arbitration request appears to be a tit-for-tat response by Pumpkin due to his being blocked. PumpkinSky has a high degree of emotional involvement in the Will Beback case he mentions, could this arbitration filing be because James supported the unblock of Will? IRWolfie- (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Statement by Black Kite

"He issued two 2-year blocks of IPs in May 2013 without any escalating blocks—one was a school IP he called vandalism only". Well, here's the block log for that IP - twelve previous blocks, including three of a year. The other IP had two previous blocks, the last of two months, but as usual with these accounts, practically no useful edits, so I don't think such a block was unusual. If this amount of accuracy is repeated in the rest of PumpkinSky's allegations, this report is clearly a tit-for-tat response to his blocking and as such, is disruptive in itself. And, as previous mentioned, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Jmh649 is still a redlink. Black Kite (talk) 10:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

  • We now have a list of diffs, which add up to a enormous pile of ... not a lot. If PS genuinely thinks there is an issue here, it needs to go to RFCU. It certainly isn't an ArbCom issue. Black Kite (talk) 13:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Statement by Pompous Ass Drmies

That I didn't get blocked for calling someone a "pompous ass" is not evidence of much, certainly not of double standards. Whether someone gets blocked for something is probably much more dependent on how many people are watching, and who those people are. Having said that, I thought Doc James's block was over the top, but I cannot yet support sending this to arbitration since I also am not convinced of a pattern of bad decisions by Doc James. Drmies (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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Jmh649: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0/1>-Jmh649-2013-06-22T12:30:00.000Z">

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  • Based on what has been posted so far, I don't perceive the need for an arbitration case. Several of the administrator actions PumpkinSky describes were correct and others at least defensible. However, I do hope that after this week Doc James will be a little more cautious with civility-based blocks, and it mght be best for him to stay away from any administrator actions relating to editors active on the Transcendental meditation topic-area—I would welcome comments on that. Newyorkbrad (talk) 12:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)"> ">