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Jax's templates

Regarding those templates, I don't even know how "guest musicians" on one or two tracks can be worthy of inclusion in a navbox for a band. Just more examples, albeit older ones, on how Jax thought he can do the bare minimum that doesn't necessarily benefit the encyclopedia. Going strictly by the wording of NENAN, I don't feel these two don't meet the threshhold. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 16:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Then I will hammer them. I am working my way down the list of created templates (1290!). I have fixed one today and with these two I will send 6 templates to TfD, out of about 25 checked templates... The Banner talk 17:55, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

...and yes, he would be able to go to WP:REFUND to request userfication of a template, as userspace editing of templates is expressly permitted. Please don't suggest otherwise (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

That is quite debatable, as it request on WP:REFUND fall under "broadly construed" in my opinion... The Banner talk 12:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

So, he's fully able to work on templates in his userspace, but he's not allowed to request userfication of a template? Really? That's rather illogical - besides, as the closing admin, I have clearly advised him that making REFUND requests - as long as they're not disruptive (for example, excessive quantity, etc) - are fully permitted (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Yep, your the boss and we are just foot soldiers. The Banner talk 17:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Irish neutrality

Hello, I've undone your edit on this article, it is hardly irrelevant to state the consequences of the Irish Free State's neutrality, especially considering the preceding comment about how technological advances had reduced the Treaty Ports relevance. I'm perfectly happy to negotiate with you to modify the article so it pleases us both but ask that you don't just arbitarily remove my contribution without some compromise to form a NPOV Shamrockawakening — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamrockawakening (talk • contribs) 23:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

It is totally irrelevant regarding the Irish neutrality, so I have reverted it. Please add only information that is relevant to the article. Problems of other countries due to the Irish stance are not relevant. The Banner talk 23:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Templates: broadly construed

What do you think about Jax adding existing templates to articles or creating articles in attempt to influence opinion for templates at TfD? Both seem to be a way to continue his activity with templates. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 04:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply I have fully complied with the ban, but telling me not to add or edit articles is going too far. --Jax 0677 (talk) 05:11, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

As they relate to templates. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 05:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

You are banned from all activity in relation to templates, Jax. So take this as a warning, next time you will be hammered. The Banner talk 10:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Clarification: Adding templates to existing articles is in my opinion an infringement of the ban. Creating new articles to shore templates (and include the template in there) is on the edge but I think just allowed. The Banner talk 11:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Show me a diff of him "attempt(ing) to influence opinion for templates at TfD" and I'll deal with it (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply - I have asked on at least one occasion for a detailed description of what the ban does and does not permit. I don't mean to be rude, but the description so far is kind of vague. I have not violated any explicit terms of the ban in simply creating articles such as "Dead City Radio and the New Gods of Supertown". Regrettably, the ban prohibits me from speaking freely, so I can only say that I have only created and edited articles that I am allowed to create and edit. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

The conditions of the ban are clear enough. In plain language: stay away from templates. 100% of the time. When in doubt, assume it is illegal. The Banner talk 22:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

By the way, Jax: it is good to see that you have discovered the "See also"-section. What is not good, is that you now have started producing sloppy articles. We need quality articles, Jax, not garbage like She's Playing Hard to Get, Keep It Goin' On or 2069 (album) The Banner talk 22:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply - Per WP:IDEALSTUB, "When you write a stub, bear in mind that it should contain enough information for other editors to expand upon it". BTW, the closing admin allows me to utilize WP:REFUND, so "100% of the time" may not work. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

You just keep gaming the system, isn't it mr. Jax? You can go on with that but sooner or later that will seriously backfire at you. The Banner talk 03:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply - I am not "gaming the system". Since again, I am not allowed to speak freely, I can only say that there is a huge difference between short articles and other types of "abbreviated" Misplaced Pages pages. Short articles do not directly affect the a "good" or "featured" rating of other Misplaced Pages pages . --Jax 0677 (talk) 10:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

To make it clear, I am checking all templates of Jax. Unfortunately, due to the sheer volume of launched templates I only check on WP:NENAN. Sometimes I improve incomplete templates, sometimes I give them the go ahead due to their potential to comply to NENAN later. I do not check the quality of the underlying links. Assuming good faith, I expect that Jax has enough self-respect not to move into dodgy, sloppy articles but will produce quality articles that really add something to Misplaced Pages. By now, I would say that I have to hammer/improve about 20%-25% off all templates, what is a horrible high number... The Banner talk 12:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Jax, I strongly urge you to change your approach.

You currently appear to be trying to skate as close as possible to the limits of your ban. You may get away with that, but you may find instead that you simply exhaust the patience of the community. By the time a topic ban is imposed, an editor is already drinking in the last chance saloon, and is not likely to find themselves being cut much more slack.

Your creation of poor-quality stubs on non-notable recordings has been controversial before, and is likely to come into closer focus now that you are banned from templates. Article such as 2069 (album) are a disgrace: poorly-formatted, and no evidence of notability. If you are creating this sort of page in good faith, then there is a WP:COMPETENCE issue, with which you need some assistance. To avoid further sanctions on yourself, I urge you to seek help from more experienced editors before creating mainspace content.

The best way to do this would be to create pages as userspace drafts, and engage a WP:MENTOR to guide you on whether and when they are fit to be moved to mainspace. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply - BHG, I appreciate your feedback. I will try to do a better job of formatting and inserting sufficient content and context in the future. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

His skating along the edges is growing quite tiresome, and will be stopped very shortly if it continues (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply - OK, I just redirected "2069". Had my article been deleted, I would have followed WP:BRD. I feel that I am being asked to follow rules when I don't know what the rules even are, because the topic ban given was vague. --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

What was vague? You may not edit templates, discuss templates, add templates you have created to articles. You may create templates in your personal userspace, and you may only at REFUND request userfication of deleted templates - unless those requests become disruptive on their own (such as quantity of requests). Those limitations were very very clear from the start - don't pull any crap about vague. What the heck does "broadly construed" mean to you???!?!?!?! (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply - That's much better. I was NOT aware that I could not "add templates have created to articles" until now. Broadly means over a wide spectrum, and construed means encompassing, so broadly construed means encompassing a wide spectrum, which itself is a relative term. I will therefore assume that I cannot add templates that I created to articles that I start (or articles that I do not start). --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Tssss, and you are an engineer?? It was not for nothing that I said earlier: stay away from templates. 100% of the time. When in doubt, assume it is illegal. Mr. Wilkins graciously allowed an exception to your own working space and WP:REFUND. Everything else regarding to templates is or plain illegal or a dangerous minefield. The Banner talk 18:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Waiting for improvement as incomplete

Checking on completeness is only done at random with extra attention to bands/musicians I know.

1. Template:The Righteous Brothers - just 5 of their 12/13 songs mentioned  Done 19:21, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
2. Template:Dick Dale
3. Template:Chemlab
4. Template:Cubanate
5. Template:The Flying Luttenbachers
6. Template:Deadliest Warrior
7. Template:Monstrosity
8. Template:Steve Stevens
9. Template:Del Shannon
10. Template:Lou Rawls
11. Template:This Day Forward - band has more than one member
12. Template:Grip Inc.
13. Template:Cary Brothers
14. Template:Cheryl Lynn
15. Template:Lipps Inc
16. Template:Sean Lennon
17. Template:Krayzie Bone
18. Template:Kelly Osbourne
19. Template:Janis Ian
20. Template:John Lee Hooker
21. Template:Engelbert Humperdinck
22. Template:Roger Whittaker
23. Template:Luniz
24. Template:Chris de Burgh
25. Template:Benny Goodman
26. Template:Louis Prima
27. Template:Brian Setzer
28. Template:Nancy Sinatra
29. Template:Sascha Schmitz
30. Template:Alexander Paul Coe
31. Template:Bing Crosby
32. Template:Maggie Reilly
33. Template:Jennifer Warnes
34. Template:Jean Shepard
35. Template:Cilla Black
36. Template:Afrika Bambaataa
37. Template:Judy Collins
38. Template:Sherrié Austin
39. Template:The Jets (British rockabilly band) - that lazy cow even skipped the surnames of the band members, although available
40. Template:Jon Oliva's Pain - quality? Not part of the dictionary of Jax

Waiting for improvement as messy and unclear

1. Template:Subway restaurant - unclear what he wants with this template
2. Template:China National Petroleum Corporation
3. Template:Illinois Tool Works
4. Template:Crane Co.
5. Template:ITT Corporation
6. Template:Eaton
7. Template:Danaher
8. Template:Gabriele Kerner - better known as (singer) Nena, who has a long, long list of recordings.
9. Template:Nena - about the band Nena
10. Template:TRW
11. Template:GenCorp
12. Template:The Aerospace Corporation
13. Template:Atlas Corporation
14. Template:Prestolite Electric
15. Template:Teledyne
16. Template:Dana Corporation
17. Template:Rockwell International
18. Template:AM General
19. Template:Hillenbrand Industries, Inc.
20. Template:Navistar International Corporation
21. Template:Dassault Group
22. Template:Cummins
23. Template:Meijer
24. Template:Nash Finch Company
25. Template:Dorel Industries
26. Template:Safran
27. Template:Zodiac Aerospace
28. Template:Konica Minolta
29. Template:Cargill
30. Template:Archer Daniels Midland
31. Template:Herman Miller
32. Template:Knoll
33. Template:MTD Products
34. Template:Husqvarna
35. Template:Briggs & Stratton
36. Template:Knorr-Bremse
37. Template:Adecco
38. Template:Tomkins plc
39. Template:Melrose plc
40. Template:Tektronix
41. Template:Ernst Leitz GmbH
42. Template:Beckman Coulter
43. Template:Finmeccanica
44. Template:BTR plc
45. Template:Dunlop Holdings
46. Template:Smiths Group
47. Template:TI Group
48. Template:Dowty Group
49. Template:ThyssenKrupp
50. Template:Stanley Black & Decker
51. Template:Motorola
52. Template:Computer Sciences Corporation
53. Template:Magellan Aerospace
54. Template:Unisys
55. Template:Azure Dynamics
56. Template:MacAndrews & Forbes
57. Template:Dassault Systèmes
58. Template:Renco Group
59. Template:Heuliez
60. Template:PSA Peugeot Citroën
61. Template:Peugeot bicycles
62. Template:ABB Group
63. Template:SAGEM
64. Template:Messier-Bugatti-Dowty
65. Template:SMA Engines
66. Template:Sud Aviation
67. Template:SNCASE
68. Template:SNCASO
69. Template:AGCO
70. Template:Techtronic Industries
71. Template:Alcoa
72. Template:Zippo
73. Template:Cobham plc
74. Template:GKN
75. Template:Manpower Inc.
76. Template:Brush Traction
77. Template:Westinghouse
78. Template:Invensys
79. Template:Pirelli & C. SpA
80. Template:Brunswick
81. Template:Krupp
82. Template:Thyssen
83. Template:L-3 Communications
84. Template:Rheinmetall
85. Template:Marconi Electronic Systems
86. Template:General Electric Company plc
87. Template:Blohm + Voss
88. Template:Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft
89. Template:ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems
90. Template:Transrapid
91. Template:Aircraft seat manufacturers
92. Template:Sendo
93. Template:Menards
94. Template:Allis-Chalmers
95. Template:Dyson
96. Template:The Hoover Company
97. Template:Bendix

Waiting for improvement as piping is too difficult

1. Template:The Three O'Clock  Done
2. Template:Psychic TV  Done
3. Template:Parliament (band)  Done
4. Template:Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings  Done

Not gaming the system?

Is this just a not-so-funny backdoor or is this not allowed? See: Jax on Frietjes talkpage. The Banner talk 20:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree completely. It's creating articles related to a topic which just happens to have a navbox that Jax created and was nominated for deletion, and then notifying an editor who takes part in numerous TfDs about the creation of those articles. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 04:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

It continues on Frietjes talk page. I'd consider this canvassing in an attempt to save templates that he created. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 19:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Would you explain?

Hi, banner. I'm BlueSkyWhiteSun (talk) 06:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC). Would you explain why my contribution on Sōryū-class submarine and Joseon missions to Japan is not constructive?--BlueSkyWhiteSun (talk) 06:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

And onemore question, Do you think things in history that you think it is not a constructive should be removed?--BlueSkyWhiteSun (talk) 07:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

At the Sōryū your remove sourced information, claiming that it is unsourced. And I consider it vandalism what you did at "Joseon missions to Japan" as it is unconstructive and a an degrading interpretation of what is shown on the picture. The Banner talk 10:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

About the Sōryū-class submarine, the source you insisted on is not reliable. And at the Joseon missions to Japan, the interpretation is not wrong. The picture originaly have an Japanese description "朝鮮通信使（조선 통신사）の一行が町人が飼っている鶏を盗み逃げようとしたところ喧嘩になった様を描いている絵。" which mean "Korean envoys to quarrel with the townspeople to steal chicken" in english.--BlueSkyWhiteSun (talk) 15:51, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

1. Why is that source unreliable?
2. Why would you use that picture other than to add a degrading comment to the article?

The Banner talk 16:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Nominating templates for deletion

You can nominate up to 20 templates for one discussion. If templates go under one rationale, then it could be clumped together into one discussion. Kingjeff (talk) 05:15, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Although the rationale is often the same, the cases itself are often different enough to justify separate nominations. The Banner talk 10:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree each case needs to be discussed separately, but the number of templates being nominate could be overburdening the TfD process. I appreciate the efforts you've put in cleaning up another's mess, but it's an awful lot to look through and review for anyone. I'm not sure the best way to limit it, except maybe to nominate the worst of the worst and/or don't nominate more than 5 in any single day. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 16:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

They don't all need to be discussed seperately. Here is an example of where it could be combined. You could have combined many of the templates you listed here. If they all must be listed separately, then the template that list 20 wouldn't exist and would meet the requirement for deletion. Kingjeff (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

When the sheer volume is a problem, clustering would indeed be the best way. But I have to look what is the best way to do that and when it is effective. Could you give me an example from my nominations. (You have my permission to cluster them!!) The Banner talk 19:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Moved 3 TfDs into one cluster. Hope I did this correct. The Banner talk 21:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I really not going to insist on it this time. But it's just easier to put them together and to have a discussion on it in one place. If you're worried that all templates will fall under one result just because they're together, Here is an AfD with two results in it. Kingjeff (talk) 21:26, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Something this? And did I do that correctly? The Banner talk 22:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks good. Kingjeff (talk) 23:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I'd still rather just see a few nominations a day at most. It's too much to look at and not worth my time to go through a set of 10 rather than picking and choosing a few individually. The discussions for the most part have just come down between you and User:Frietjes (with occasional but infrequent input from others such as BHG, Whpq, or myself), and I'm not sure if that is productive. I won't be participating in any bundled nominations, although I'll try to fix one here and there that stands out to me, such as I did with {{Cathy Dennis}}. I'm not saying totally let it go, but there's got to be better uses of your time than to clog up TfDs with Jax's garbage templates. But if you want to clear out as many as possible through the TfD process, I ain't gonna stop ya. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars 00:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

To be true, I hate what I am doing because it is so annoying and frustrating. That is why I use such a ferocious pace. But I am not out to kill as much as possible. There are enough templates out there that I have given mercy assuming that the fifth link will arrive soon. And I have a long list of templates set aside for rescue/improvement. On the positive side: I have just 220 templates to check, out of 1290! I really have no clue how many incomplete templates I have left behind just because they comply to WP:NENAN at this stage. Quite a few, but it is impossible to me to do real background checks. So I do that more or less at random or intuitively (although in some other cases it is an open door to kick in). The Banner talk 11:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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There are no templates with links to disambiguation pages. Not one! A very rare occasion! Hallelujah! The Banner talk 23:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:Tony Särkkä

I had to undo your edit because there was no discussion linked to. Would you mind nominating the template again? --217/83 17:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Strange, because it was definitely there. Some strange has happened. The Banner talk 23:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Very strange glitch so nominated again. The Banner talk 23:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Very strange indeed. --217/83 07:29, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Are you an expert of Bulgarian politics?

Just asking. If you want to make improvement of style here, do it. I don't guarantee to write properly even in Bulgarian when outraged with despicable socialist politics. --Aleksd (talk) 22:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

When outraged, you should not write. Anger is not a good advisor. The Banner talk 22:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Really? And who is going to write the news in articles then? See at my talkpage too. --Aleksd (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Somebody who is uninvolved and not angry. Misplaced Pages is not a news service. The Banner talk 23:23, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive edits. Its is not more important your edits than the relevance of content. --Aleksd (talk) 22:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Indeed encyclopedias refer not only about things that happened ages ago but have a current content, I am sorry if you are unaware of the fact. --Aleksd (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Could you please calm down? The Banner talk 22:22, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion contested: Cologne Business School

Hello The Banner, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Cologne Business School, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello The Banner, Thanks for all your instructions. I just started my work on Misplaced Pages, and I would like to be constructive like you. I went through some pages to edit. I read about reliable and secondary references and added to a page. I want to edit more, thanks for your instruction. I started on apache and I would like to work on others. Can you advise me whether I researched good and added enough citations to the page started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediaoutlets (talk • contribs) 03:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ban, should the page I am editing be like this one http://en.m.wikipedia.org/Meir_Javedanfar . This one has no reference and only three lines. Hello Banner, your suggestions are helpful. What should be done?

First thing you should do is starting to write on the bottom of a discussion, not on top. And secondly, you should give up pretending that you are a new and inexperienced user. The Banner talk 11:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I will probably stop editing. I just wanted to help. I just added almost 45 reference and secondary citations to the page which had been there several years Majid Rafizadeh, even adding to references to words. I was trying to start on Alireza Nader, Mehdi Khalaji, and Karim Sadjadpour. But it is ok. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediaoutlets (talk • contribs) 03:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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