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Hello Giano,

You have a couple of pictures of an 18th century mansion (Wiltshire) in Misplaced Pages. Where (in Wiltshire) was it taken? Do you know the name of the mansion? The pictures are beautiful.

Thank you,

JoN

I have photographed more pictures of buildings for Misplaced Pages than I can remember. If you give me a link I will tell you where it is. However, there was a house in Wiltshire which I thought so summed up the small, perfect English country house that it was best that it remained anonymous and was best used just as an example, but I suppose that it is a bit silly - so which one are you thinking of.  Giano 

Hello Giano,

Here is the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/File:18th_century_mansion_built_of_Bath_stone,_with_Italianate_alterations_2.JPG

Kind regards,

JoN

That's the rear of Hartham Park, near Corsham. The other image is a side view of the same house.  Giano  06:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Giano,

Thank you very much for the name of the house.

Kind regards,

JoN

Basildon Park

Hi Giano

Is it ok to use your cut away 3D Basildon Park image in a book on the architect of Basildon John Carr?

Thanks John

Of course it is; help yourself. Glad you like it. Let me know when it's published; I will buy a copy. They are here File:Baspianonobile.jpg and here File:Basupper.jpg; there are also these two from a diferent angle which I decided not to include in the Misplaced Pages article File:Basildonparkrearview.jpg and File:Basildon Park rear view.jpg; they are all uploaded into the public domain.  Giano  16:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Russavia

Your are now on 4RR here and also violating TPG, maybe stop now? Darkness Shines (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no, I'm not as you will find out.  Giano  21:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah it seems you have. Some of you trolls just seem determined to want trouble at any cost. Soon you will be happy and get it.  Giano  21:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I count four reverts, from your initial removal of a comment to your "in the interests of peace" revert. I am unsure why you are calling me a troll or seem to think I am looking fror trouble, I was just asking you to stop edit warring. And please do not issue pointless threats of giving me trouble. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Go and look up the rules you idiot and stop trolling here.  Giano  21:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I hope you are well, Excellency. I see that you are being threatened with an edit war, so to illustrate the meaning of the first exception to WP:TPO, I hereby grant you permission to correct, edit or delete comments on my talk page at your discretion. I would encourage others who share my concern to grant you similar permission as well:

• --RexxS (talk) 21:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

• Granted. (Though I have misgivings about "correct"; Giano's keyboard is such that attempts to correct typos may result in more typos than there were to begin with. Wholesale deletion of comments should work much better.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmph! Typos I may occasionally make, but I always make my meaning perfectly clear. I was much amused by the silly little Admin in poor Ryan's daft ANI thread (see below) who said he had "thought about blocking me." Silly child do they teach them nothing about Misplaced Pages's rules and protocols before replacing their rattles with Admin tools.  Giano  17:23, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Ban proposal for User:Russavia. Thank you.  Ryan Vesey 22:07, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

What a very misguided, but revealing thread Ryan; you clearly have never played poker. Silly boy.  Giano  06:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Peer review request

Peer review request for Thomas Ellison I'm currently attempting to bring the article Thomas Ellison to Featured Article standard. I've opened a peer review, which can be viewed at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Thomas Ellison/archive1—any feedback, however brief, would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

- Shudde 07:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I've commented; it looks good to me. Good luck with it.  Giano  19:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment; really appreciate you taking the time to give it a read. - Shudde 01:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Somerset architecture GAs

Following your previous comment I wanted to let you know I've nominated Montacute House for GA - you said you would be willing to help out if the reviewer came up with any architecture debates (I wonder if there will be any comment about the collapsed infobox). While I was at it I also nominated Barrington Court and Pulteney Bridge where you previously helped with a description of the architecture - the review for that one has started at Talk:Pulteney Bridge/GA1 if you wanted to comment?— Rod 19:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmph! I am too nice for my own good.  Giano  19:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

If there is any comment Rod then just point the reviewer towards Little Moreton Hall, an FA with a collapsed infobox. Malleus Fatuorum 22:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll soon be about done with the GA review of Pulteney Bridge, so now would be a good time to make any additional observations you may have. Malleus Fatuorum 20:44, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I only wrote/re-wrote one brief paragraph, I cannot take any credit or blame for the page. I'm sure you know what is what Malleus. I'm happy to leave it to you.  Giano  21:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. If I get stuck with any architectural term I'll be right back, but I think Rod and I are getting there. Malleus Fatuorum 21:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

BTW, that excessively long infobox is causing the text to be squeezed in the first section. Do you think I ought to insist that it should be collapsed?</joke> Malleus Fatuorum 22:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I dropped a few thoughts on Montacute House on the talk page, and one was a question about whether the image placements were as good as they could be. I've mentioned your name there, Excellency, as I know you invest effort into making sure that the images make an attractive contribution to an article. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 23:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry Giano, I didn't notice that you had put the in use tag up, therefore you and I were working on the Ground floor section simultaneously. Malleus Fatuorum 13:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh were we - who won?  Giano  14:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I did. But if you think your version's better then by all means overwrite mine. Malleus Fatuorum 14:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

No, yours is more or less what i was planning. I just dumped and lumped the text pour example. Leave that section as it is, and I or you can do the next. I'm tied up in RL for the next couple of hours if you want a go.  Giano  15:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to pop out now, but I should be back in an hour or two and I'll tackle the next then if you or someone else hasn't got there first. Malleus Fatuorum 15:33, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow you have all be busy while I've been at work. Giano MF has commened on the Pulteney Bridge review about the sentence "On this southern side, the buildings is of a principle floor at street level, with a low mezzanine, separated by stone banding, above." saying "Something not quite right there". Any thoughts on that as I think you wrote it?— Rod 17:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

• No thoughts at all; I had better go and see what the miserable sod is objecting to. 18:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

  Well, just call me Mr Grumpy. I haven't looked at Barrington Court, but it's clear to me that the nominations for Pulteney Bridge and Montacute House were premature. Not blaming anyone, but I'm seriously concerned about the sourcing for the bridge, and I'm a whisker away from failing it. Malleus Fatuorum 22:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

• Ok - you're "Mr Grumpy". Timing is always going to be a problem with audited content, of course. On the other hand, if you ask a question such as "has Montacute House been improved dramatically by your efforts and those of Giano today?", then the answer is "undoubtedly, yes!". And that's the important bit in any event. --RexxS (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
• I've worked it out & changed it now - thanks.— Rod 18:11, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

  Very clever of you. I failed to spot the error.  Giano  18:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The reviewers comments at Talk:Montacute House/GA1 ask for an expansion of the lead and mention a couple of uncited paragraphs. I see the 2nd & final paras of Ground floor and the 3rd para of second floor with no citations. Do you have any sources we could use?— Rod 12:53, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I've reffed all I believe needs reffing and some that I didn't think need reffing too. I've made a minor expansion to the lead, but it's hard to know quite how to do that without waffling and going off subject. I would quite like to spice the page up by writing about Lord Curzon "sinning with Elinor Glyn On a tiger skin" in the Great Hall, but I fear it would be going off subject. I really think anything now not reffed (eg: "bedrooms lead off the Long gallery") is too obvious to need a ref.  Giano  13:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Brilliant thank you. "Sinning" with does sound interesting but you are right it may not be directly relevant to the house. I will wait and see what the reviewer says following your edits (& MFs grammar improvements).— Rod 14:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Can I pick your brains as well... I've just found this article which describes the house as a "exquisite gallimaufry of French styled Gothic". I don't even know what a "gallimaufry" is, it sounds like something from Doctor Who?— Rod 14:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

According to Google a "gallimaufry" is a confused jumble or medley of things; it's also a hash made from diced or minced meat which more accurately describes that article. It's so full of errors that I can't begin to be bothered to list them. We cover and explain what its trying to say far more accurately in the 2nd para of the architecture section.  Giano  14:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment re Montacute House - but I think it was more your work than mine. I think it has definitely improved the article & I don't think the reviewer was giving an "easy ride" I think it was just clear that it met the criteria. Now ... how do you feel about Brympton d'Evercy....— Rod 20:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• No, no and double no! It's too long and I cannot be bothered to dig up all the references again - if I ever even had them; I wrote it years ago and most of it was stuff I have known for ever. It also needs a better plan, and I haven't the time to make one - those plans take ages. Really nooooo.  Giano  20:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

OK - I've got plenty of other stuff to be working on (when I've finished marking dissertations) but at least you have seen a more positive version of the GA process than you did last time.— Rod 20:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Very true! Today, I have had what I think is my longest ever Misplaced Pages day and tomorrow when back in RL I may feel differently.  Giano  20:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I think Victorian Gothic may be outside your usual areas, but if you'd be kind enough to take a peek at Tyntesfield I'd be grateful.— Rod 19:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Agree to disagree or more likely not, well, absolutely not, then

I think we can agree that we've exchanged enough unconstructivism at Piotrus' RfA.

You once wrote a long time ago "We are writing this encyclopedia to serve the enquiring public." Why and when did disdain for those who don't suck up to you, delivered via pointed repartee, take center stage? One day the quaking of WP admins at the mere mention of your name will be, instead, the jiggling belly fat of WP editors laughing uncontrollably. Once upon a time you believed there were higher goals to aspire to on WP than to become a caricature of your worst personality traits where behaving badly earns badges of honor.

If you're going to hold yourself up as a rebel, your goals and conduct must be always virtuous, otherwise you just come across as, well, prickish at best. (Last but not least, you certainly don't know me as well as the box you've been trying to stuff me into of late. Had to mention that.) VєсrumЬа ►TALK 22:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

What have you been working on recently Vecrumba? Giano and have been working on a few things together, including Montacute House and Pulteney Bridge. You on the other hand seem to have done fuck all. Malleus Fatuorum 22:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, if it weren't for the attack gangs I'd be back on my rewrite of the History of Riga, also, it's been quite a while since I worked on the history of Russians in Latvia.

At the moment, however, I'm working off-Wiki on a navigation redo of a web site that I'm still maintaining for a friend who passed away several years ago, on the history of Latvian aviation. I have some other web projects going on as well. My activities with regard to bringing reputable content to the web aren't limited just to WP. I find a balance of on- and off-Wiki web activities works the best for me. Am I correct in assuming all your content eggs sperm are in one basket?

Alas, Pulteney Bridge doesn't appear to be in either of my old Books of Bridges, I was hoping to have a useful source or artwork to add, given its historied past. I'll be sure to take a look at the article. I've never said Giano isn't a comptetent, capable, and productive editor, only that eventually the community will tire of the price to pay, just like your piss-poor attitude here.

BTW, I noticed the article doesn't have any structural diagrams, I added a link to a perspective study at the Tate. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 00:45, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd be prepared to make a bet with you that "the community" will tire of your "piss-poor attitude", and those like you, long before it agrees to banish Giano and I to the depths of whatever Hell you believe in. We're trying to build an encyclopedia, not make fun of other editors we either can't get on with or don't agree with, a lesson you ought to learn. Malleus Fatuorum 01:51, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you Malleus; I could not have put it better myself. The way in which the numerous objectors are being hectored and bullied at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Piotrus 2 is quite concerning. It's interesting that those so concerned with civility and pretty manners here are always completely disinterested in downright intimidation.  Giano  07:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

  The longer you've been around here the more vitriol you're expected to soak up without complaint. I'm rather surprised that either of us are still here to be honest. Maybe we share the same European obstinate stubborness gene? Malleus Fatuorum 14:50, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Well! Seeing as what is now considered an acceptably civil way of supporting ; I can't help but feel that you and I should be running a finishing school for young ladies because our manners are obviously way above what is now acceptable here. However, I have just made an interesting discovery, but I will tell you about it later; let's just say some of these amazing and prolific Polish pages are not all they are cracked up to be.  Giano  15:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'll be looking forward to that, if you go back to Poland-Lithuania times I'm reasonably well versed in that topic area. As for the rest, it's time for WP to grow up and not act like a frat club. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 23:05, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

How do frat clubs act? Many of us were lucky enough to be born in Europe, so the frat club concept is an entirely alien one to us. Maybe the problem with Misplaced Pages is that it's controlled by those who used to be frat club members, and therefore believe that to be a normal part of everyday life. Which it isn't unless you're an American dickhead. Malleus Fatuorum 23:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it's something like a mutual spanking society, which must be rather jolly after 8 pints down the local pub; except they don't let them drink at that age in the USA, so it's really quite worrying as there is no excuse.  Giano  08:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Collapsed infoboxes

It'll be very interesting to see if we can get a GA using that collapsed infobox to go along with the FA using one, written largely by you and my mate George, whom God preserve. Malleus Fatuorum 20:21, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I just thought of George also, following his example in the small improvements, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to follow George's example, but in my own inimitable way. Malleus Fatuorum 21:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I miss this

If you're here to complain about an edit I made to one of your articles then just revert it and tell me as gently as you can where you think I screwed up. I certainly wouldn't have done it mischievously or maliciously, and it's always good to learn something new.

Precious makes no sense without the reference ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

It's a shame that George was chased away, but that's water under the bridge now. I did what I could. Malleus Fatuorum 21:30, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

To remember a great example keeps the water flowing ;) - different topic: architecture. Gothic St. Lamberti, Hildesheim has a paragraph on architecture that I don't even understand in German, the (strange) translation is commented out. Any chance to derive some sense, perhaps looking at pictures? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

As I've said before, I'm an architectural ignoramus. Giano is your man. Malleus Fatuorum 22:19, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

There you are: St. Lamberti, Hildesheim all tidied up - the 'cruciform depicting angels' on the font cannot be the right term, we need a clear picture to see what exactly it is.  Giano  13:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Stunning! Thank you! - I have off-wiki work going, will appreciate in greater detail later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't let this one pass. Never heard of a cruciform font but it appears it was a Early Christian jacuzzi.

• Hot tub!
• Explanation

and it is the in thing in all the latest ecclesiastical sports centres!

• Salisbury
• LA

 -

• Orhtodox, Picture, and Antipodes! -- Clem Rutter (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Clem; however, the font in question, , is not a cruciform font!  Giano  22:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

But you unearthed angelic choirs around it, thank you again, now I had time to enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Baptismal form: we need to distinguish the Becken (basin?) and the Deckel (cover). The cover is different in style and has the angels. The basin has St. Lambert, St. Godehard, St. Bernward and a "Kreuzigungsgruppe" (scene of figures around Christ on the cross, - I asked for the term already for St. Martin, Idstein and still don't know it). Unusual here: the cross itself is not pictured, and Mary and St. John look away from Jesus. The cover has 36 dancing angels, 11 male, 25 female, + 8 saints. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

• 1904 book on baptismal fonts Look at the illustration section at Perpendicular Fonts. Ewelme Oxfordshire shows a Font bowl, with a large Font cover which is raised by pullies. Boring as it may be- those are the words used then- I had hoped for a little Mediaeval Latin.
• New Catholic Encyclopedia describes the changing baptismal rites from early baptism by immersion, to the baptism by infusion that the perpendicular fonts were built for. The cover was to prevent the theft of the blessed water, which in the thirteenth century was believed to have magical powers. Again the word used is cover. If we follow we see the word bowl used in two meanings- but also the classification of base, basin and cover. The bowl being the interior of the basin- I would suggest that for immersion there was just the basin, with infusion in a basin designed for immersion, a smaller bowl contained the water, around 1100 the cover became necessary to protect the water in the bowl from theft. By 1200 in Northern Europe- immersion had gone, and the bowl became the font. Hence the two words bowl and basin were interchangeable. In 1209 the cover became used to seal the font and thus enforce papal authority when he excommunicated a rebelling king or priest. There is a lot of work out there on the subject- but enough for tonight.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm liking these collapsed infoboxes more and more. Just added another one to Beeston Castle. Malleus Fatuorum 01:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

About Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Piotrus 2 - plain comment

Giano: hadaway and shite. Peter in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it the first time. Very clever and amusing; you'll have to ask your parents for an education for your next birthday.  Giano  13:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Meh. I again ask for your help with Weavers' windows.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry; it's not a subject that I know anything about.  Giano  14:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Weavers' cottage- note sent to Shirt58. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 09:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Real Ale for students at Polyversities should subsidised, actually. Student Grant aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Barrington Court

What do you think of Barrington Court's recent promotion to GA? It seems pretty thin to me, I doubt I'd have passed it. Malleus Fatuorum 20:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not going to say a word about Barrington Court. I have hated the place since the day my Venetian mother-in-law bought a genuine Elizabethan style table there, it was made of ye olde solide oake and she then expected me to arrange and pay its shipment (think Venice - delivery - no roads!) - it weighed about 5 tonnes and would have been cheaper to have bought the bloody house itself. Secondly, I am silent because I am feeling a bit guilty because I may just inadvertently savaged a newby at another of Rod's prospective GAs! So for the next 24 hours, I am only saying nice things.  Giano  21:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ach, Rod asked me about that article earlier. To be perfectly honest I think he's rushing in and nominating articles that aren't ready. But you ain't seen me, and I never said that, right? Malleus Fatuorum 21:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

More interestingly still, "where have my yellow "You have New messages gone"? This evening all I have a little red thing at the top of the page - where is the fun in that next time we are blocked - it will break down with the overload.  Giano  21:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It will indeed. Any bets on who'll get blocked again first? My money's on you. You're a dangerous radical, whereas I'm just a tramp shouting at passing strangers in the street. Malleus Fatuorum 21:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

No, it will certainly be you. If you hang on long enough, Sandstein will probably pop in here for a drink later on - such is my cachet.  Giano  21:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

You may be right. The ArbCom enforcer would probably be technically within his rights to block me for having posted (twice?) on an RfA page. Such is life. Malleus Fatuorum 21:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh God, you haven't have you? You should be like me, post once every five years and cause a storm when you do. Trouble is I always end up feeling sorry for the people I oppose, but then they don't really need the tools, one can have far more fun without them.  Giano  21:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey Malleus, hey G, how you guys. Article looks good. Did you see this photo? Might it be suitable for the lede? There's also this photo I uploaded. Would you like me to look to see if I can find other higher resolution photos for the article? Also, glad you could both use the other photos I uploaded, it was my pleasure :) Russavia (talk) 02:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

More Somerset architecture

Thank you for your help with Montacute House, Barrington Court and Pulteney Bridge which, with you input and that of others, have now all achieved GA. Work on Tyntesfield is still continuing in that direction. I've now been looking at some of the other houses in Somerset and wondered if you (or any of your talk page stalkers) would be interested in taking a look at: Clevedon Court, Hestercombe House, Leigh Court, Lytes Cary and/or Nettlecombe Court, many of which are included at List of National Trust properties in Somerset. Any help or guidance in improving these articles would be gratefully received.— Rod 08:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Lamberti, Hildesheim

On 11 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, which you created or substantially expanded. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St. Lamberti, Hildesheim. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Allen3  09:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Baroque in Poland

I am out of ideas where to ask, so perhaps you or your page stalkers will know - any ideas where to ask for a volunteer to do a B-class review? WP:POLAND can't help as it has been listed on our list for ~half a ear year and nobody cares to do it (I can't as I am one of the main contributors). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Sadly, I don't even know what B Class is? Doubly sadly, I am really busy in RL at the moment. Malleus may know what B Class is, but Polish Baroque is a very specialised subject indeed; Malleus is a man of huge talents and surprises, but Polish Baroque may not be be of them. Have you tried User: Wetman? The problem and great shame with so many of the Polish architectural pages is that there are are so few English speaking references to use and check against. As I'm sure you will appreciate, Polish is hardly a user-friendly language even for those of us who can get by in two or three European languages, and I don't feel happy with a Babel-fish/Google translation.  Giano  19:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
• I just took a look,it begins: "The Polish Baroque lasted from the late 16th to the mid-18th century." If that's true, Poland must have invented it at least 25 years before the rest of Europe - it needs an expert, and I'm not an expert in the Polish field.  Giano  19:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's got to be somebody confusing "1600's" with "16th century".Volunteer Marek 03:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

No. it's more likely someone not understanding the subject. It did begin (just) in the late 16th century, but rarely and always in Italy; it then spread slowly. It's possible that it arrived in Poland simultaneously, but I would strongly doubt it. If only there were just one good, authoritative book translated into English; the refs one can find on-line tend to be touristy and unreliable: "Come to sunny, tropical Poland, the birthplace of Renaissance and Baroque art." I will keep looking.  Giano  07:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I may ask them when I expand the article further. For now, after reading it again, I decided to fail it myself due to not covering all the aspects I think it should (it's pretty easy to do a B-class review, much less work than a GA review: ). B-class review, btw, are pre-GA reviews done by some (very few) WikiProjects. I know of only three that do them: MILHIST, BIO (where they had a few months backlog before I took it over yesterday, lol) and POLAND (where for the most part I do them myself, too :>). Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Tyntesfield

Hey G, Tyntesfield I see you've been working on. Do you want some more photos of that? You know I am a man of many resources, and I am sure I can find some fully sick photos if you want them.

Better yet, when you work on an article, drop me a msg on me talk and I'll see what I can find for that article. Good idea, non? Russavia (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

There's two photos I didn't even know I uploaded last month (I do bulk uploads to Commons) that I reckon might be suitable for that article -- both are high resolutio, good quality. Especially like the 2nd one which gives a nice overview of part of the estate. Russavia (talk) 03:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Russavia, sadly, Tyntesfield seems to have gone quiet due to copyvio issues and concerns over just how much detail needs and should be included. I'll certainly let you when the need arises.  Giano  07:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

In relation to Tyntesfield, be damned with concerns over how much detail needs and should be included -- you know what is needed, so do what you gotta do. What are the copyvio issues, perhaps I can help?

But I see you are onto Mount Vernon now -- looks like your and Malleus' puppy. Want me to see what I find in terms of cool pics? Cheers, Russavia (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

A lot of the issues with the article are detailed at Talk:Tyntesfield where many have been resolved, but perhaps not others. It would be useful to have a quick summary of what is still outstanding.— Rod 16:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Dealing with copyright violations on any scale is complicated because of the article history, and strictly it needs to be stripped back to its last clean state and rebuilt from there. Malleus Fatuorum 17:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I agree with Mallleus, the page stunk to the heavens of copyvio and pretty badly written copyvio at that. It wants demolishing and then re-writing from scratch; it's a lot better than it was, but (in my opinion) meanders off subject too much and has too much trivia, and there are too many people who want all that stuff included so I think it's best if I leave it alone - I'm too squeamish for detailed accounts gynaecology, bombing raids, Luftwaffe navigation and hospitals. Give me nice, clean bricks and mortar any day.  Giano  08:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

To get back before the copyvios you would have to go back to this diff and alot of good work since then would be lost.— Rod 19:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

That's the way it has to be though, and we'd need to get an admin to delete/oversight the intervening article history. I got bitten big time with Grace Sherwood, even though all I'd done was copyedit the article, and I've got no intention of ever going through that again. Malleus Fatuorum 19:24, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Wait a minute, so Trident13 has added all sorts of copyvio into the article, and he hasn't been blocked? I have reverted the article to its state as per the diff above. We really shouldn't leave copyvio's in the text for an extended period of time. Unfortunately with that revert, there's so much work lost. I'll try to add back in text from some of your guys' edits. Russavia (talk) 21:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

He probably didn't express the opinion that some of those mouthing off at the various drama boards were sycophantic admin wannabes; that's the kind of comment that gets you blocked here in this best of all possible worlds. Content can go hang, very few care about that. I'm no longer even allowed to be critical of admins or the system by which they're chosen, which gives you another clue as to what's gone wrong here. Eric (talk) 03:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I hear ya Eric, lord knows I hear you! Russavia (talk) 03:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I think you've still got a way to go, but I can see that you're a contender. Eric (talk) 03:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I did add various messages at User talk:Trident13#Tyntesfield asking for discussion, but have not received any response.— Rod 10:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I am going to revert you Russavia because I think there has been so much rewriting of late, that there can be little copyvio remaining - if any. Also, such a major revert should be the result of a talk-page discussion. I dobt very much this was a deliberate copy violation, more a lack of understanding of our little ways.  Giano  08:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

• I think this discussion is best held here .  Giano  12:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, G, I was going to go through the article tomorrow and see what's what, but if you are confident there is no copyvio left, I'll leave it at that. I guess it's my "Commons mind" jumping into action at the mention of copyvio, better to be safe than sorry and investigate it. But if that's been done, I'll leave it :) Russavia (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not certain how it works, but we may need to get an admin involved to oversight some of the article history. Eric (talk) 19:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Yep, definitely need an admin to oversight the history. You can see an example of how it will look if you look at the history for LAN Colombia. Russavia (talk) 20:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I really think that this conversation need to be held here. My talk page is unlikely to tbe on the watch list of all those who have edited the page; especially that of whoever it was who inserted all the copyvio.  Giano  21:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Balbardie House1910.gif

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It's 103 years old and most certainly is out of copyright. Delete it and I shall immediately upload it again.  Giano  14:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Where did you get the image from? If it's a book and we know when it was published then it may well be public domain but if it's an unpublished photo then it is still in copyright. NtheP (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Seigneurial tower

Can I pick your brains again... I'm working on Hestercombe House (at User:Rodw/Sandbox/Hestercombe House) which includes the phrase "While the overall design and air could be described as Italianate, also present in the same entrance facade are examples of high Victorian Gothic, such as an Italianate seigneurial tower confused in design with a campanile tower. This tower complete with a glazed loggia is crowned by a French-style mansard roof with oversized chimneys masquerading as Renaissance ornament." What is a seigneurial tower and should it have an article? Also do you have any references to hand which could be used to cite these claims?— 10:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

To Rod. As far as Italianate houses in England is concerned a seigneurial tower is the same as a belvedere tower (although nothing like the one pictured in the belvdere tower article). Look at pictures of Osborne House - I think it has a couple of them. Correctly speaking a seigneurial tower is a tower on a manor house (seigneurial house/important gentleman's house), that added a little grandeur and also served as look out. In English, Victoria Italianate house, the belvedere/seigneurial tower of ten looked more like a campanile (bell) tower because it has what looked like a belfry on top which was in a fact a glazed room for admiring the view.  Giano  11:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking at it the hideous thing is almost Second Empire rather than Italianate. I think yo could say that tower is almost in a class of its own.  Giano  11:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

PS: If I wrote that, you can scrub it out; it's only a visual description so doesn't really need reffs. I wonder why I described that tower as High Victorian Gothic - it's not really Gothic at all - more the sort of mismatched architectural elements that was turned out in the High Victorian period.  Giano  11:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

It was added with this edit on 17 Sept 2008 (wikiblame is a wonderful tool).— Rod 12:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Mount Vernon

Hi Giano...I'm going to toss a few more references into the Mount Vernon article this weekend and then back off so you can work your magic on it. I have no doubt that you and Eric Corbett will be able to get the article through GAN and FAC if you so choose.--MONGO 16:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Great. I won't be around at all next week, as I'm going to look at some seriously good architecture in France and do some equally serious eating and drinking. Will take a look the week after next.  Giano  21:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

What architecture in France? I've been doing a shitload of uploading to Commons of various old French estates and chateaux, etc. Can you drop some hints? Enjoy ya week off. Russavia (talk) 21:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

The more I look at this article, and the more I read, the more work I can see needs doing before we're anything like ready for GAN. A little depressing really, as on the face of it it looked like quite a nice little thing. Eric Corbett 00:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

... in better news though I think I've finally sorted out the mystery of who built the first Mount Vernon. Eric Corbett 03:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Ichthus

Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned an article you worked on in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds22:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

You're back!

Pass Lady Bracknell the cucumber sandwiches! Bishonen | talk 21:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC).

Yes indeed I am back and was looking forward to sharing my holiday snaps with a series of pages on Renaissance chateaux, but it looks as though I shall be waylaid having to defend another page for a while. Anything interesting happened in my absence?  Giano  10:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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I left dear Sfan a note, pointing out that 100+ year old images are copyright-non-infringable (is that a word?). Perhaps you could have a word with the lad. 178.197.254.3 (talk) 21:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe if you know where the image comes-from it would calm his anxiety. Whoever held copyright has 'kicked the old bucket' for sure. Maybe Sfan needs that explained? (death, copyright, etc) 178.197.254.3 (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

One would guess that the words "Illustrated London News" in large letters at the top of the image provide some clue to its origins. 78.149.172.10 (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes well. That would have required me to get-out my spectacles, and squint.  ;) 193.239.220.249 (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Presumably you weren't suggesting that was my obligation.  :) 193.239.220.249 (talk) 10:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Small victory in the infobox wars

You probably have no interest in sports cars, but I thought it may encourage you to know that an article I recently nominated at FAC with a partially collapsed infobox was promoted with hardly a comment. Eric Corbett 23:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

That is encouraging indeed, and when uncollapsed the information therein seems to be of use, not such trivia as the necessary tyre pressure when it has children, suitcases and an overweight granny on board. Actually, I am very interested in sports cars and have owned one or two in my rather unexciting life.  Giano  07:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Block/unblock yesterday

I noticed your comment on blocks at AN. Did you see my unblock yesterday? A disgraceful business, though it wasn't the blocking admin (Drmies) that was at fault IMO. If you remember this case, ending in this feeble motion, the main player this time was that same admin with a new name. A disgrace waiting to happen, after the weak arbcom action. And I don't doubt there'll be another after this NO action yesterday. There is no other system than arbcom for reigning in abusive admins, and they aren't doing it.

Presumably it'll be time soon for BWilkins to get taken to ArbCom and let go without action. If anybody can be bothered, after the form shown. I wonder if the Worm That Turned… no, I don't really wonder anything about him, I just wanted to link him. :-) It would surely save a lot of time to just mark the word "desysop" as "historical". Shall we propose it as policy? Avoid comparing the draconian way Geogre and MONGO, excellent sysops as well as superexcellent contributors, were desysopped in the old days — you'll only get vertigo. Bishonen | talk 13:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Very true my dear, but I have rather given up my noble crusade to rid Misplaced Pages of its cretins, despots and the slightly odd and just accepted that it attracts them like flies to a dung heap. To quote what is not an old Sicilian proverb "I suspect it's a case of birds of a feather fucking up together."  Giano  13:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. I just thought I'd link PumpkinSky's post to the individual arbs, too, I think he'd like that. Excuse me for bothering you with it — I can see from the timestamps that you'll scarcely have taken the time to click on my diffs to begin with. I do understand you have better things to do. Me too, actually; just wanted to crow about my fine unblock, I suppose. Early and late, we waste our time in this place. (Wordsworth.) Bishonen | talk 14:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC).

I have clicked your links and very interesting they were too, but I am now an unwell Wikipedian. I can't be expected to strain my eyes reading diffs and overtax my limited energies before opining - you must remember that unwell Wikipedians have to have allowances made for them. Now! If you'll forgive me I must go to the shops and buy some more medications.  Giano  14:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear, have you got a blocked nose again? Bishonen | talk 14:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC).

You'll wish you'd been nicer when I'm no longer here. But don't worry, I'm not one to complain about my ailments and dreadful, excruciating pain that's wracking through my body. Just put a flower on my page once in a while and think kindly of me!  Giano  15:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

• I meant leave flowers after I have passed over to the other side; not before! There's no need to be impatient. Anyway, I am feeling a little stronger today.  Giano  09:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

• Now look what you did with your "unwell Wikipedian" nonsense: mislead PumpkinSky into wasting perfectly good sympathy on you! Bad wiseguy! I bet your nose isn't even really blocked at all. Bishonen | talk 12:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC).

• (using my pet's account — ChedZILLA 14:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)) Hey Giano - very sorry to read about the health concerns. I wish you a very speedy recovery. Cheers. User:Ched

I'm so terribly sorry

	My deepest sympathies
	I'm so terribly sorry to hear that you have a friend like Bishonen, who will work hard to remove any sympathy from your page. Worm(talk) 15:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Worm for your sympathy and understanding. I'm not one to complain and bore others with my health; one must just struggle valiantly on; these horrible inflictions must be seen as a test from above. The medications seem to be easing the pain just a little as I struggle to contribute to Misplaced Pages.  Giano  16:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

• Dear Sir (or your Majesty - my failing memory does not recall the official and proper title). I would also like to extend my wishes that you have a most wonderful health care system at your disposal. Perhaps the WMF would be willing to share their vast wealth if that is not the case; since there are so few people drawing on the income they receive. I noticed a (rather tacky IMO) "buy, buy, buy - get it now while it lasts" ad recently for the wiki store .. maybe some of that money would be accessible? — Ched :  ?  18:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

My symptoms will baffle any health care system; I expect it's something completely unknown and incurable - indeed the pharmacist in Lloyds was horrified that I was able to struggle in to her store for advice, and confessed that she had never seen anything like it. She was a great deal more sympathetic than Bishonen, but then Bishonen has no medical training or expertise.  Giano  21:07, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Since it's completely unknown, ie new, it should be after you and you should write an article on it. PumpkinSky talk 21:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh for goodness sake

Stop unarchiving that conversation before some fuckwit decides to block you for edit warring. It's dead. Black Kite (talk) 19:51, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

You revert me again and I will revert you! Now go and find something useful to do!  Giano  19:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Well there's the thing, I thought actually closing a pointless conversation based around a useless suggestion might well be something useful. Clearly I was wrong. Black Kite (talk) 19:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Reverts

Giano, I really don't know you from adam and don't usually care about being reverted, but that is all drama, so there was a valid reason for hatting it. If I'm trying to stop some drama and you are so compelled to revert those attempts, it would be nice if you were at least nice enough to leave an edit summary. Seems kind of rude to not. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I rarely leave edit summaries on minor pages. Regarding the revert: I think it's good that people can see the type of pointless, juvenile editors with whom people like Eric Corbett are expected to engage - quite frankly I think Eric has the patience of a saint; headless, sword wealding skeletons have nothing on such lack lustre peasants (or whatever the American equivalent is for such types). I quite understand why people like yourself like to hush them up and hide them away - I think I shall announce on my page that I'm a grumpy old Roman Catholic. One despairs of this project, one really does.  Giano  20:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it is a secret that I consider Eric a great friend, so when you say "people like you", you obviously know nothing of me. You seem to completely misunderstand my rationale and reasoning. I can't fix that in one paragraph, so I won't try. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

If you're such a great friend - unblock the poor sod then!  Giano  20:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Nothing personal, but I don't have to prove my affinity for Eric to you. Again, you lack the familiarity with me to draw a valid conclusion. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

You are the one who chose to come here pontificating and proclaiming. Seems there's not really a lot that you have to offer.  Giano  20:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI

User:iridescent said I should let you know about this. RFAR. You are not a party or anything, but you are familiar with the situation I'm told. Iri suggested you here — Ched :  ?  19:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• .  Giano  21:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• To answer your question ,, I want the fighting to stop. I hate bickering. There's a bunch of foolish children on wiki that cause nothing but trouble. I hate that. I hated it when I saw it with you and Jimbo and the stupid BS with Bish and Jimbo .. I hated to see it with silly arguments about en dashes ,, I just hate the fucking fighting Giano. I'm old and I'm very tired. this bitching about infoboxes has been going on for all too long .. so I posted to the "almighty" AC. Meh .. Hell .. I don't care .. they can block me, ban me .. I honestly don't care. But the whole thing has been running over so many pages, so I took it to the top. Hey .. your views are very valuable to me .. say what you think Giano. — Ched :  ?  22:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• Wikipedians who are not one to complain and bore others with their health, even though they're at death's door
• Wikipedians who have long been bored, and are delighted to be finally under threat of blocking again, just like in the good old days