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You done it now, eh?

I almost hope it goes to a full case so this can be thrashed out once and for all, this is going to be popcorn-worthy. I'm of two minds over much of this, as I still contribute here, but there are lots of discussions over there that really dig into some serious problems that get swept under the rug here. But on the other other hand, the d-baggery is off the charts at times, Peter Damian bragging about his explosive tell-all book is like listening to talk of Don Quixote's filming wrapping up someday. Ah well, thanks for getting the ball rolling. Tarc (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

• I know, it's going to be ugly but as an oversighter I feel like we are in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I personally feel that if they focussed on constructive criticism, as they sometimes have, instead of being assholes and outing people they could serve a valuable function. But with so many users who would rather destroy Misplaced Pages than help it and pretty much no accountability by anyone for anything that happens there I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Feedback request

Hi Beeb. As a former contributor to this, you may wish to take a look at this. If you do, please read it carefully in order not to miss the explicit objective. Comments on its talk page. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Apparently I'm not the only one who tries solve the unsolvable problems around here. I'm going to be out in the wilderness enjoying the 19 hours of daylight we have right now for most of the next week, but I'll take a look when I get back. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

BEEBLEBROX IS AWAY

I am venturing off into the wilderness and will be completely unavailable until around the 12th of July. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Knowing where you live, be careful of the wildlife. At least nothing there will be as threatening as the ones on Misplaced Pages ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It's been a bad year for mosquitos, they gave us some trouble but it was worth it for some time away from civilization. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Bamler2

Hey, I saw your recent interactions with Bamler2. I chimed in on his talk page, but he deleted my comments. I'm reposting them here, in case they are of any use to you. His deletion of my comments without any constructive response seems fairly typical of someone who's only here to fight and to suppress criticism of his poor behavior.
My original post.
Bamler's corruption of my post.
Reddogsix's reversion of the corrupted post.
Bamler's reversion to the corrupted post.
Bamler's deletion of my post where he accuses Reddogsix of "improper action", though Bamler was in the wrong for changing my text.
My text:

• Unsolicited response from non-admin editor. My contributions s Andre draining time from other editors than collaborating. From the difficulty Bamler has responding in proper talk Incidents&oldid=546187788#sock_alert._block_or_change_policy_to_allow_socks sockpuppetry] without evidence, to sniping admins, to making unconstructive edits such as this one.

Bamler, cooperation is crucial to collaboration, as is the ability to yield to the better idea, or even to acknowledge the possibility that you could be wrong. How did you get yourself into a situation where everybody is wrong but you? And how do you expect your experience to improve if you continue to engage in the types of behavior that keep getting you blocked?

Unsolicited advice: create your articles offline and get them up to snuff (establish notability, use encyclopedic tone, harvest citations, etc.,) before posting them. Or go through the WP:AFC process. Why continue the upsetting cycle of creating barebones articles live, having them speedily deleted, and getting mad at admins and the Misplaced Pages process? It all seems so avoidable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:48, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

There ya go. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

This is in WP:BASC's perview now, I expect they have probably seen this by now.. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Amaury

Amaury is abusing Huggle again. I know that your away, but I don't know where else to put this. 71.255.81.232 (talk) 07:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker) The links you added were not appropriate wiki material. Additionally, if you had a problem with my revert, why did you not come to my talk page like the message on your talk page said and ask about it? And no, the comment you inserted in a random place does not count. - Amaury (talk) 16:48, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Whether or not my edits were good is besides the point. The point is that my edits were not spam. I went to your talk page and saw that someone else was also complaining about you making false accusations. You said that this edit edit by 96.246.214.161 appeared to "to constitute vandalism". The user was simply reorganizing the article in a way that made sense, possibly because incognito mode is a feature that has nothing to do with privacy from external sources, which is what privacy usually refers to regarding browsers, and Google has been criticized for user tracking. Regardless of whether you agree with the change, it was wrong to accuse the user of vandalism. I looked at your history and searched your many usernames in the administrators' noticeboard and saw that you have made false accusations many times and have been informed and told to stop many times. Examples 71.251.46.57 (talk) 07:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I transferred this discussion to the administrators notice board. 71.251.46.57 (talk) 07:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Beebs! Just letting you know this has been resolved. It was in regards to false positive stuff. Also, I hope you're enjoying your vacation! - Amaury (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Resolved? The discussion on the noticeboard has not been closed yet. It has been on the discussion board for less than one day. You have to give people time to have a chance to write stuff. Attempts to prematurely close discussions is another issue with your behavior. 71.251.47.138 (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Yup. Pretty much resolved. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 00:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration case declined

This is a courtesy notice to inform you that a request for arbitration, which named you as a party, has been declined. Please see the Arbitrators' opinions for potential suggestions on moving forward.

For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ 04:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh well, it seems the immediate situation was resolved, surprisingly, from the other end anyway by the creation of a new page that can be linked to without fear that it will ever contain outing. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:31, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

mfd

I do not agree with your close of Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Marie Charlotte de la Trémoille which I think a classic supervote. There were 4 opinions: the nom's opinion to delete as a stale draft, another editor's opinion to delete because of questionable notability and a stale draft , my opinion to redirect to the apparent subject of the article, and a keep opinion that the subject was notable and that the user thought it could be worked on further, and had a source available.

You decided to delete, admitting that "this may not look like the right result", based on your view that 1/"it was extremely unlikely that a redirect would help find the associated article" -- perhaps, but it would help the user find at least some information on the named person 2/"the incubator was a bad idea, 3/there was a user willing to work on it you would undelete -- but there wasa user willing to work on it.

As you didn't delete it, someone placed a speedy on it, which is reasonable of them, but I boldly reversed it while I ask you to reconsider. (If you hold by your decision & want to revert me, I will not consider it wheel-warring in this circumstance) Your reasons, 1/ is misconceived--the pt of the redirect is to find some info on the named subject, which is present in the article redirected to--it at least identifies the person 2/your personal opinion that an accepted feature of WP should be closed down, and 3/ the distinction you drew between someone who might work on it and someone who could.

Since you said, "if there is a user willing to work on it you would be happy to move it, please either relist for further discussion, move it to my user space or that of FactS[pace.-- or redirect as I suggested.

And there would be some merit in an argument that a person opposed in principle to the article incubator should not close mfds involving it. If I opposed articles on unpopulated extinct villages in general, should I close such AfDs in conformity to my opinion ? DGG ( talk ) 13:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, for starters I apologize for the sloppy admin work and thank you for going ahead and cleaning that up for the moment.

On to the actual issue: Thing is, the incubator is dead. It is likely it will be closed permanently and marked as historical in the near future. I don't dislike the idea of the incubator at all, it was a wonderful idea, it just didn't work and the community stopped using it. In point of fact there was a previous discussion about closing it that already established a consensus to do so, but interest was so low nobody ever even took that action.

Not to put to fine a point on it, the idea of retaining a page in the incubator as a redirect is nonsense. What user would type in "Misplaced Pages:Article Incubator/Marie Charlotte de la Trémoille" as a search? Frankly I assumed when I read your remarks that you had forgotten that we were talking about a page that was not in mainspace at all as I could't see any way your argument made any sense otherwise. I've gone ahead and created a mainspace redirect to the target article identified.

So that leaves keeping or userfying as the two remaining options. WP:STALEDRAFT and the previous consensus not to have this article in mainspace would seem to make it pretty open-and-shut as far as just keeping it. While there is no deadline this was not edited a single time in the nearly two years it was "incubating." Why I didn't automatically usefy it is I suppose a matter fo personal style. Users often comment about how an article could be helped but are not actually willing to do it themselves. So, I invite them to just say "please userfy this" and I will do so. I don't think that's much of a barrier. I'm looking at the draft right now and my personal feeling is that it is so poor it would be better to just start over, but since you explicitly asked I've gone ahead and moved it to your userspace at User:DGG/Marie Charlotte de la Trémoille. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Computer mouse

I looked over the Douglas Engelbart article, in which he is presented as the exclusive inventor of the mouse.

In no place in Misplaced Pages does there seem to be acknowledgement of the fact that, in the United States, Andy Hertzfeld was considered to be the inventor of the mouse, and that this error went on for 30 years.

I recall having seen the claim in various magazines over the years.

It should appear under abnormal psychology, if nowhere else!

Larry Dunn of Bakersfield (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

If you have some reliable sources that verify what you say (it's not a subject I know anything at all about or have much interest in) please go right ahead and add a mention of it to whatever article is appropriate. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

consensus building

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

• Building consensus with you is difficult.  At the AfD for Taquan Air, I added 21,000 bytes of references to the article.  You never could bring yourself to say, wow, I was wrong in my AfD nomination statement when I said, "Fails notability guideline for businesses as there do not seem to be any independent reliable sources that discuss the subject"...that airline is vital to the regional economy of Southeast Alaska, it is covered in numerous books, has been recognized by the White House for its contributions to society, has drawn national attention for one of its crashes, and is regularly covered by the regional newspaper in Juneau.  At Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Talkeetna Air Taxi (2nd nomination) you refused to say that a three-page article in Sports Illustrated was something other than a "trivial mention", even though we gave you the text from the guidelines about the meaning of a "trivial mention".  Unscintillating (talk) 02:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Ironic that you would accuse me of such when it is so incredibly obvious that the incubator is a failed project and consensus is in favor of closing it. You keep trying to make this personal, and I keep trying to tell you it's not about me or you, although you do seem to be the very last active particpant in the incubation process. And I modified my propsal earlier today to try and accomodate some of the concerns mentioned in that discussion, so, again, ironic. You can add a greenhouse, a portal, a magic sky castle staffed by monkey butlers and magic unicorns, whatever, it won't change the fact that the incubator just didn't work out and has failed. Neither will bitching about old AFDs. I'm sorry your edits did not force me into making statements in compliance with your point of view, I'm not necessarily one of those users who feels they must respond endlessly in the same conversation when they have already said their piece more than once.

That would be another area where you and I differ. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Given your recent behavior I must ask that you not post here again, dealing with you is exasperating and I don't feel it accomplishes anything for anyone. Thanks for respecting my wishes in this matter. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

re: Template:Deleted

Good afternoon, Beeblebrox. I am closing out some old RfD debates. There is unanimous consent to make your proposed change to Template:Deleted so even though I participated in that debate, I feel comfortable closing it out. I do not, however, feel comfortable making the change to the template. I just don't have enough experience with that kind of wiki-code. I'm going to take off the RfD header but otherwise leave the redirect along. Could you please repurpose the page in accordance with the RfD at your earliest convenience? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

•  Done. I just stole the code from {{Not done}}. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Silly thread at Talk:Kidnappings of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, and Michelle Knight

Thank you for hatting the entire discussion. I did it myself, because as well as being quite wrong, the first post was definitely not a contribution towards improving the article, but User:Theoldsparkle reverted me. He apparently didn't like me pointing out the ugly truth.

I'm glad it's hidden completely now. It was never any real use, and just endorsed bad behaviour.

So, thank you again. HiLo48 (talk) 07:07, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Request for deleted page

Hi Beeblebrox, I recently wrote the page International Journal of Science and Mathematics Education about the journal, which is notable (now has an impact factor, etc. I was going to make IJSME a redirect page as this is informally used as an abbreviation for the journal but I discovered a pgae by that name was deleted and the AfD makes it seem likely it was about the journal. Would you please either provide me with a copy of the page or let me know if I should just create the page as a redirect? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 08:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It was a one-line stub on the International Journal of Science, Management & Engineering, which was apparently just established earlier this year. I think you can go ahead and just do the redirect, if the other journal should become more notable in the future it can be converted to a dab page. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response and the information, I'll make the redirect as you suggest. EdChem (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Lower Assam

Sorry, I inserted two == instead of three === and the "Discussion" went into a different thread. I shall let it stand just as it is now. Thanks. Chaipau (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Request to reopen RfC

I'd like to reopen and add my endorsements to WP:Requests_for_comment/Xenophrenic and see it get archived properly. My experience has been that the user's disruptive behavior spans multiple articles and I didn't get a chance to weigh in due to an absence. I also feel a more thorough review be performed but I have no experience in this area and therefore cannot proceed except to request the RFC gets more exposure from a greater variety of editors. Additionally I feel it may have been closed too early because the user who created the RfC and requested it closed was distraught. At a minimum I want to at least contribute my endorsements and comments to ensure everything is better documented and can be referenced later by anyone - should it be warranted. Thanks, ${\displaystyle \sim }$  ℗ papajohnin     03:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

• The RFC ran for a full month, it had not been edited in nine days when I closed it, and it has been closed for a full month. There was nothing premature about the close and I can't see any benefit to re-opnening it now. If you want to be involved in dispute resolution related to the issues raised there, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea Party movement. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Beeblebrox. Please see this comment. Worm(talk) 07:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Deleting the link for Heliskiing

Dear Beeblebrox!

I was adding a link (www.heliski-russia.com) for a page Heliskiing, but you delete it as a promoting page... I'm sorry, but then there are at least 3 more links which are commercial links: ^ How heli-skiing works ^ Heli-skiing in the Alps ^ When Is The Best Time To Go Heli-Skiing?

so, why you keep them and delete the one which I add? I can proof taht we knows all about heliskiing, much better than anybody else with more than 10 years of experience. Our page contents a current photos and information about heliskiing, isnt it a best information for the people who wants to know what is heliskiing and how it looks?

Thank you in advance for the reply.

Kind reards, Maria Gaiani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maria Gaiani (talk • contribs) 06:45, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have got your facts wrong. I did in fact remove them all as you can see from this edit: . You must have known this because the next thing you did was to recreate the section with just your preferred link:. they are all equally inappropriate links. The notices I left on your talk page contain numerous links pointing to the relevant policies. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Just took another look at this. The links I removed were in the "external links" section. The other links you are referring to are in the "references" section, and you do have a point. Several of them do not appear to be reliable sources as defined by Misplaced Pages. Frankly, that article is in a pretty sorry state and has been for some time. I've tagged it for this issue and will try and find some time to rectify the problem. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Precious

"move along"
Thank you, vandal fighter in open resistance, for welcoming and deleting, for clear language and reflection, for collapsing and closing, quote: "clarified, move along", - you are an awesome Wikipedian (15 April 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Beeblebrox (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome ;) - Regarding part of this comment: I am fond of Eric Corbett (not to extremes, though). He was always gentle to me, look for "Malleus" on my talk where the name change was discussed, - his "rudeness" seems to come in responses, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Userification request

Hi Beeblebrox :) I've been looking through some archives at deleted articles, and I believe Adam Spence, which you deleted after an AfD discussion, is now notable enough for an article. As a result, could you restore the article into my user area? That way, we keep together the page history, and I (possibly) have to spend less time redoing the article. Thanks in advance :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done see User:Lukeno94/Adam Spence. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

• Perfect, thanks. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Dandeline Taraxacum officinale, blow ball flowers

Hi I am a student from India.

Can you tell where can I find these white Dandeline Taraxacum officinale flowers, in this month of year? I need to study these flowers for a project.

Thanks Sachin Jain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.140.116.135 (talk) 10:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You're studying the common dandelion for a project? Almost anyone in Canada and the Western US has these darned things blooming from May until September, as much as we try and remove them. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, in North America they are everywhere. They are considered an invasive plant where I live in Alaska, the seeds come up on traveler's cars and recreational vehicles, and they grow to enormous sizes, as you can see from this picture which I took in my own yard. So basically, if it's summer and you are in an area where they grow, all you need do is find an lawn, roadside or field that has now been mown recently and you should see them. However, from your IP it appears you are in India. I don't know if they grow there or not, but it is probably the wrong time of year right now. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry

Didn't realise you had cosed this discussion and didn't get an EC when I added a comment at the bottom. Basalisk ⁄_berate 18:57, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I think we can just move your comments inside the archive tag and leave it at that. (incidently I agree with your remarks, but I'm hoping the peaceful settlement with B will grant some modicum of clue about the right and the wrong way to resolve issues...) Beeblebrox (talk) 19:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

SA's block

Actually, his current block is in response to evasion of an Arbcom block. I really don't know: does that make it still an Arbcom block even if the Arbcom block would have expired by now?—Kww(talk) 16:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I've been looking at this and... what a mess. It's not the absolute worsst I've ever seen but it's in the top five.. Hard to say, but I'm inclined to think if the final block was for block evasion, and was not noted in the log as arbitration enforcement then it is a "normal" block. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I would fight hard against either interpretation. I can't look forward to the idea of having another set of problems like this come back, though, so I hope wherever it lands the answer remains "no".—Kww(talk) 16:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Article that is deleted

I was wondering if you could get me the info on Helderberg Escarpment, it was deleted for copyvio problems and then remade as a stub, I cant seem to see the discussion or anything that led to it being deleted. I created the original article and worked with several people on it, so I don't know how it got deleted for copyvio problems as its wording would have been messed with by several different people over time. The thing I think might have been a problem is that there's only so many ways you can word that certain species live in an area and those sections may have gotten some in an uproar. If you could bring the article into userspace and I given some time to fix the problems I think it would be the quickest and best way to bring back an important well-fleshed out article that I don't think could be made as well a second time.Camelbinky (talk) 21:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Looking at this, I don't see any evidence there was any discussion, and given the history there should have been. I'm thinking I might just restore all the deleted edits so they are available in the page history. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done you can now see all old revisions in the history. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Beeblebrox, I think that this unilateral restoration of G12'd content was irresponsible. Special:WhatLinksHere/Helderberg Escarpment returns only 50–100 pages, so you should have found the WP:Copyright problems log at a minimum. User:Fram might not remember a deletion from 2010, but it would have been courteous to ask.

1. User:SandyGeorgia tagged and blanked Malta Test Station.
2. Camelbinky reported SandyGeorgia at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (archived to WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Plagiarism and copyright concerns on the main page) and notified her (archived to User talk:SandyGeorgia/archtemp#AN/I).
3. User:Laser brain tagged and blanked Hamilton Hill, Schenectady, New York and Helderberg Escarpment and listed them at WP:Copyright problems/2010 October 28. SandyGeorgia listed Malta Test Station there.
4. User:Fram speedy deleted Hamilton Hill, Schenectady, New York and Helderberg Escarpment as G12. User:Theresa knott rewrote Malta Test Station, and User:Moonriddengirl finished its cleanup with admin tools.
   • User:Rmhermen questioned Fram's deletion (archived to User talk:Fram/Archive 22#Helderberg Escarpment).

Please consider reversing your restoration with WP:Revision deletion (RD1) or WP:Selective deletion (deprecated, but more of an undo). Flatscan (talk) 04:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I echo this request. Copyvio text is deleted rather than blanked to remove violations from our article histories. This is done unilaterally via G12 or via investigation at WP:CP. There is no "discussion" needed. Fram would have checked the article text against the source text and deleted the article if it was found to be predominantly plagiarized. If Camelbinky is interested in looking at the original text to attempt a rewrite, maybe it could be emailed instead. --Laser brain (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh my. (Notification bar worked this time.) Echo all above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

This all started because Sandy was upset at me about some policy discussion where I pissed him/her off and then others just started labeling me a plagiarizer. Perhaps I'm not the best editor but not everything I do should be thrown out without help to fix the problem because someone is pissed at me. The articles were not "predominantly plagiarized" in the least. And as was mentioned about Hamilton Hill, Schenectady, New York by more than one person- there is only so many ways to mention that the population and demographics of some place are xyxxz and it's not plagiarism if that's the issue (and on that article it was. I'm sorry if some think this is an acceptable way to bully and harass me.Camelbinky (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)m

If the articles were deleted in error, then they can be restored without further ado. However, I reviewed one of the sources from Helderberg Escarpment against the old article text this morning and the article text did indeed plagiarize the source (via close paraphrasing). Thus, at least in that instance, Fram's action was correct and the article history should not have been restored. The old article text could be emailed to you if you want to rewrite it, but it shouldn't have been restored. I hope Beeblebrox corrects this situation soon, as we now have copyvio in the article history again. --Laser brain (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

RE:

This all started because Sandy was upset at me about some policy discussion where I pissed him/her off and then others just started labeling me a plagiarizer. ... I'm sorry if some think this is an acceptable way to bully and harass me.Camelbinky (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Her. And that's just baloney. It all started because you plagiarized and then took it to ANI, where the whole bloomin' world saw same. It's a bit concerning that you don't acknowledge that still. An additional concern is that you left Misplaced Pages rather than helping in the cleanup, which brings us to the current situation. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

And now catching up at ANI and at Camelbinky's talk page, I see there are still quite a few concerns of many different types, raised by (among others) Floquenbeam (talk · contribs) and Bishonen (talk · contribs). I'm sorry to see all of this, which isn't a good sign. I'm not so sure I appreciate this new notification system as I could have remained blissfully unaware of the ongoing saga. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

• Ok, ok, everyone please calm down. I was (obviously) unaware of the background here. I took a quick look at the sources, and the argument that an article that had been worked on by several different users was unlikely to be a direct copyvio, and I thought it added up. Maybe it didn't, and maybe the restoration was in fact an error. There was nothing in the edit history or the deletion log linking to that copyright problems discussion. Please give me a moment to evaluate all this new information, and please do not fight on my talk page while I'm doing that. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

After reading some more of the sources and comparing them to old versions of the article I believe I identified which particular edit began the introduction of close paraphrasing and I have revdeleted everything between that edit and the speedy deletion. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:10, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and unwatching now (only came in via ping from new notification system). I'm not sure if I've ever met Flatscan before, but they sure did their job here! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:49, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response, Beeblebrox. Some issues remain in the last visible revision on October 15, but additional revdel may not be necessary. The sentence about John Boyd Thacher State Park is the most problematic: the Duplication Detector report shows a few significant similarities. The sentence immediately before also has similarities with that Open Space Institute source. The Mohawk Hudson Land Conservancy PDF is similar to the sentence that it supports, but there are limited ways to word it. There is a 59-word verbatim copy, but the source is from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service and in the public domain (Copyright status of work by the U.S. government), so it is plagiarism and not copyvio. Flatscan (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Your revert on Caesar salad

I'm wondering if you noticed that your revert on said page wasn't automatically accepted by pending changes, which I thought would happen seeing as you're an admin. Brambleclawx 15:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I had not noticed, I was operating under the same assumption. Weird. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Your assistance please

Helderberg Escarpment is on my watchlist, because I edited it. There was a change that showed up on my watchlist, so I went to see how it had changed. The revision history shows dozens of entries were made unavailable -- including mine -- due to a copyright violation. My edit summary says I added a new reference -- so clearly not a copyright violation. I'd like to make sure that reference is included in the article. Geo Swan (talk) 09:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

The background of what has been going on there is detailed in the section above titled "Article that is deleted." Revision deletion was used to remove all revisions of the page from when it had copyvios on it, so it doesn't mean that your edit was actually a problem. The ref used added is not currently used in the new version of the article, it was this. Beeblebrox (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Tv schedules

Programming schedules are posted on articles for news channels. Should we rewrite or remove those schedules? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KinHikhari (talk • contribs) 12:37, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I should think so. WP:NOTDIRECTORY would seem to apply. We're here to report the broader facts about subjects, not to advertise their programming schedule. Such information is readily available elsewhere and generally should not be in an encyclopedia article. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:02, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Retirement

Re: this. It served its purpose: it let someone write down "Kww is driving editors away" one more time.—Kww(talk) 00:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I've had it with that useless project. It was started, like so many projects here, with good intentions, but it isn't doing a damn thing to retain anyone. Keifer announced his "retirement" on something like six different pages, and then when straight back to posting all over the project, a classic WP:DIVA move. I'm just going to unwatch that page, the project is a disaster and discussions there are some of the most unproductive crybaby crap on a website that has more than enough of that already. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2013 (UTC)