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Hi. Why did you close the move review as an Endorse Close? You said that there's no consensus in the move review, but there are four overcomes, two endorses, and a reopen or relist. Almost everyone in the move review wrote that at the requested move there was no consensus to move the page to the current title. I think that you should have closed the move review with an Overturn Close. Read ]: "(If Consensus to move to a new title is clear) Move title to new title and close RM" or "Move title back to pre-RM title, reopen and relist RM if appropriate".--] (]) 14:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC) Hi. Why did you close the move review as an Endorse Close? You said that there's no consensus in the move review, but there are four overcomes, two endorses, and a reopen or relist. Almost everyone in the move review wrote that at the requested move there was no consensus to move the page to the current title. I think that you should have closed the move review with an Overturn Close. Read ]: "(If Consensus to move to a new title is clear) Move title to new title and close RM" or "Move title back to pre-RM title, reopen and relist RM if appropriate".--] (]) 14:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
:The ] was based on the strength of arguments regarding whether the closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly. In other words, it was a review of whether the closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly, not whether the close was correct or incorrect. The iVotes that addressed the sufficiency of the close explanation were not directed to whether closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly. SmokeyJoe only wanted an explanation, which BDD provided. SmokeyJoe did not provide much argument, so it seemed to be a week endorse. B2C appeared to indicated that B2C adopted BDD’s explanation, giving strength to B2C position as endorse. Cúchullain and BDD both had strong endorse arguments, with BDD close additionally benefitting from closer’s discretion. On the overturn side, there were strong arguments and additional comments which addressed whether the closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly to varying degrees. BDDs additional details on his close (18:34, 28 August 2013) was there for twelve days, but did not significantly move the discussion one way or another. I did not see a general sense of agreement one way or another. Since BDDs additional details on his close seemed to quell general concern for his close and there appeared to be no consensus in the move review, which has the same effect as endorse close, I close the review as endorse close. -- ] (]) 04:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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:I was one of the endorse votes, but I think this MR close is spot on. I see two "endorses", four "overturns", one "reopen and relist", and two more "overturns" pending an explanation which was subsequently given. There's no clear consensus there justifying overruling an admin action. It's time to let this go and move on.--] ]/] 01:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC) :I was one of the endorse votes, but I think this MR close is spot on. I see two "endorses", four "overturns", one "reopen and relist", and two more "overturns" pending an explanation which was subsequently given. There's no clear consensus there justifying overruling an admin action. It's time to let this go and move on.--] ]/] 01:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Help with Freddie A. Laker

Hi Jreferee, I'm not sure if you're around at the moment, but if you have a little time to help, I was wondering if you'd mind looking at a request for some updates related to a new BLP article? I saw your name in the list of members at WikiProject Biography, so I'm hoping you'd be interested. I wrote a new article on behalf of the subject, Freddie A. Laker, working for his company, so I have a COI and would prefer not to edit the article (or related ones) directly. I'm instead looking for an editor who can help with a couple of corrections to the text (errors due to the sources not being clear, but that Freddie later clarified). Can you help? The full request is on the article's Talk page, if you'd be able to take a look. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 23:12, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. -- Jreferee (talk) 00:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Jreferee, thanks for taking a look at this for me! I think the second change isn't quite what I had in mind, Freddie is the founder of Guide so that didn't need changing, but he is the co-founder of the Society of Digital Agencies. Can you correct this in the article? I've also replied on the Talk page about the early life information. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 15:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks so much for making that edit! Everything looks great, your help is much appreciated. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Article restore soil N.

Please,nosratallah khakian essay surveys should be returned to earth since the article was hastily removed and the remaining terms is Misplaced Pages. Thank — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.179.163.183 (talk) 07:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

COI: Matthew Bryden

Hi Jreferee, thanks for your input on the COI Noticeboard – I've replied to your comments there (link goes straight to the section). HOgilvy (talk) 11:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi – apologies for the accidental deletion, thanks for spotting and reverting. HOgilvy (talk) 12:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I STRONGLY suggest re-reading the MR you closed

It is clear to even an uneducated eye that there is consensus to OVERTURN the closure of the move. There are 5 overturn (including nom) vs 2 endorse which is quite clear consensus to overturn. I STRONGLY suggest that you undo your closure and respect consensus otherwise I WILL file an RFC/U into your actions against consensus at ! PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 01:02, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Again; PLEASE ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION. It is quite clear that you misread consensus and you should either provide a clear explanation for your actions or self-revert and let someone else close the discussion. PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 05:37, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
You still have not explained your actions against consensus today. While I do apologise that I may have come across as a bit threatening I still think that such a close against consensus requires a decent explanation which you have not provided yet. PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 07:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thirty Seconds to Mars Move Review

Hi. Why did you close the move review as an Endorse Close? You said that there's no consensus in the move review, but there are four overcomes, two endorses, and a reopen or relist. Almost everyone in the move review wrote that at the requested move there was no consensus to move the page to the current title. I think that you should have closed the move review with an Overturn Close. Read here: "(If Consensus to move to a new title is clear) Move title to new title and close RM" or "Move title back to pre-RM title, reopen and relist RM if appropriate".--Earthh (talk) 14:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

The move review close was based on the strength of arguments regarding whether the closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly. In other words, it was a review of whether the closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly, not whether the close was correct or incorrect. The iVotes that addressed the sufficiency of the close explanation were not directed to whether closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly. SmokeyJoe only wanted an explanation, which BDD provided. SmokeyJoe did not provide much argument, so it seemed to be a week endorse. B2C appeared to indicated that B2C adopted BDD’s explanation, giving strength to B2C position as endorse. Cúchullain and BDD both had strong endorse arguments, with BDD close additionally benefitting from closer’s discretion. On the overturn side, there were strong arguments and additional comments which addressed whether the closer interpreted the consensus incorrectly to varying degrees. BDDs additional details on his close (18:34, 28 August 2013) was there for twelve days, but did not significantly move the discussion one way or another. I did not see a general sense of agreement one way or another. Since BDDs additional details on his close seemed to quell general concern for his close and there appeared to be no consensus in the move review, which has the same effect as endorse close, I close the review as endorse close. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 22:01, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I was one of the endorse votes, but I think this MR close is spot on. I see two "endorses", four "overturns", one "reopen and relist", and two more "overturns" pending an explanation which was subsequently given. There's no clear consensus there justifying overruling an admin action. It's time to let this go and move on.--Cúchullain /c 01:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
As you are biased due to your endorse vote of course you would be blinded to the clear consensus against endorsing the incorrect move. PantherLeapord|My talk page|My CSD log 01:13, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Uh huh, so then we can accept that you are equally "blinded" and "biased" by your own participation in the discussion and call it even. Let's move on, shall we?--Cúchullain /c 01:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)