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Marek.69 00:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Is it just me or?

I don't believe Amir071 is the same as 67.248.128.225; the pattern is similar, but not identical. The others are sockpuppets of the IP address; for one, it's clear, and I've blocked it; the other one is highly suspicious, but I'm not blocking it after a single contentious edit. --Joy (talk) 07:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: IP Vandal

Sokac121 and IvanOS think it's User:Oldhouse2012, actually, not User:Nado158. In any case, you should find diffs that demonstrate an exact pattern and report whoever it is at WP:SPI. They seem to have demonstrated a pattern of victimization at this point so it would be best that a completely uninvolved admin intervenes. --Joy (talk) 19:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

G'day, reported as sock of Oldhouse2012 here Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Oldhouse2012. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 05:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

IvanOS

Too late — someone reverted you. I blocked Ivan and mass-reverted him because he was deleting text from articles without explanation, which is never a good thing. Thanks for asking for my opinion, but since I have no opinion on whether this text belongs in the article, I won't be able to offer useful input, aside from saying that you need not worry about my concerns on this specific article. Nyttend (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Accession of Croatia to the European Union

I'm really not sure what the confusion is here. Have you read the source that you claim to be "syncing" with? It clearly contradicts what you are arguing: "Article 3. of the Accession Treaty states that Member States shall deposit instruments of ratification with the Government of the Italian Republic, therefore, only upon fulfillment of that conditions the Accession Treaty can be considered officially ratified in individual Member State." It lists these states as "parliamentary approval obtained" and NOT "ratification procedure completed." Listing them as "Ratification process completed", as you're attempting to do, is both inaccurate and contradicts the sources. I've reverted your proposed changes several times, and restored the long-term WP:CONSENSUS version per WP:BRD. Please self-revert and discuss on the talk page if you disagree with me and all the the sources. TDL (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Infobox

Hello i see you deal with Croats Infobox..I would like you to ask is this new picture that i put of Andrija Mohorovicic good or should i put the older one?And also i would like to ask you for hel for the third link i put about population of Croats abroad..Link is of google books so if u could just put sentence like that one of "4.5 million Croatians" not the google books link?Thanks:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help..But could you do the same for the 32 link?In the first sentence about 4.5 million Croats abroad also..Because link is still google books..You changed the link in infobox but not in the sentence..Cheers :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey did you create new infobox and new article about Croats?If u did i have few suggestions...I think there are too many Croats in infobox..I f you go to Germans you will see that there is almost the same germans as croats in infobox..There are too many of them..I would suggest that Nikola Zrinski,Vlaho Bukovac and one more maybe to be removed from that list..What do you think?Why did even this article changed in the first place?:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree with all that you said about the article..The article was very old and needed to be refreshed..We can talk on talk page about which one to remove or not..in my opinion svacic,nikola zrinski and maybe vlaho bukovac or ivan vucetic(made his name in Argentina) should be removed..I respect them but we already have nikola š zrinski so nikola zrinski is not very needed...toni kukoc should maybe be on that list...But as i said there is 27 or 28 Croatians in infobox and 30 Germans in infobox...And Germany is nation of 80 mil people and Croatia of 4.3 :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

So whodouthink we should remove from that list?Because onTalk page nobody will answer...Nikola Zrinski,Vlaho Bukovac,Ivan Vucetic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrosby85 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey can you tell me how canisign my post so that everyone cansee that i am posting?Scrosby85 17:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)Scrosby85

Thank you..I hope it is right now :)..Can you please help me on the talk page about Croats..DIREKTOR non stop is saying that 16 is right number and that 20 is way too much...Slovenians who are smaller nation than Croats have the same number of people ininfobox and Serbs for example have 30... Scrosby85 17:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Croatia nightingale

Re List of national birds. You added 3 links to cite Nightingale as the national bird of Croatia. Only one even mentions Nightingale. None of them support the assertion that it is the national bird. The page Symbols of Croatia doesn't mention it either. Chuunen Baka (talk • contribs) 11:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

discussion

dear Shokatz, could you please join the discussion at Talk:Accession of Croatia to the European Union on what constitutes full parliamentary approval, so we can see what consensus is? I advice not to change the page Accession of Croatia to the European Union, as it appears you are edit warring there to get the change in... L.tak (talk) 13:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For noticing the IP's page switch at RFPP. You saved us a lot of trouble. Thank you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

CoA articles

Hi! I've recently noticed WT:CRO discussion about quality assessment of the Coat of arms of Dubrovnik / CoA of Dalmatia articles and left a few comments there. I also thought to leave you this note and point out that both of the articles are quite good regardless of their rating. Formally, no article may be higher than C-class if a single claim is left unreferenced, but both of those lack only a few so that should not be hard to remedy.

Also, there is a structure-related problem in both of the articles - you'd be better off with a "Description" section at the very beginning of the prose and that would cover the issue. Regarding comprehensiveness, both of the articles need some info on modern use (or lack thereof, whichever applies) in official, semi-official or unofficial contexts. I noted some examples as a guide in the WT:CRO discussions on that. Also some dates when Dubrovnik arms became official in their current form and in their original form corresponding to the modern design, as well as when the Dalmatia arms were officially disused (presumably disestablishment of the Kingdom of Dalmatia). Regarding gallery, the Dalmatia arms also appear on several forms of Austria-Hungary and Kingdom of Hungary arms as an element thereof.

Finally, please note that the lead is meant as a summary of the article, not an introduction (see WP:LEAD) and all info contained in the lead and the infobox must be present in the prose (and referenced in the prose rather than in the lead/infobox). Small size of the Dalmatia arms article is no problem for a higher assessment, it is just important to list (or provide an illustration of) its present use(s) to make it complete.

Hope this is helpful, I don't mean to put down articles/editors, rather I'd like to offer advice on what would be needed for the articles to warrant B-class (or GA-class). Cheers--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Glad to hear so. I trust both articles have few gaps to fill before a B-class is warranted.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:41, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal of refimprove tag

Hi! I noticed you removed {{refimprove}} tag from Dalmatia article. Even though you have provided additional references missing from the article. Please refrain from such actions in the future because this may be viewed as disruptive editing - the tag indicates to editors that additional citations are needed. Indeed, the article has numerous claims with no citations and the tag is justified. There are no inline tags precisely because there is the template (or general, as you put it in the edit summary) tag. Please restore the tag, or provide citations to all claims missing references. Regards.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

There is no need to place additional {{fact}} templates requesting inline references per {{refimprove}} documentation. Furthermore, every claim in the article needs one reference - i.e. at least one reference per paragraph, possibly one per sentence to meet WP:V. The refimprove tag is placed in articles where there's simply too many inline references missing - such as in this case where the article is quite poorly referenced. The "citation needed" or "fact" templates - according to the template documentation - is used when the article is generally well referenced but only few specific claims are left unreferenced. Since this particular article lacks at least a half dozen references in the sections preceding "History" and the extensive "History" section is largely unreferenced, the refimprove tag is justified. Please read relevant tag template documentation before reverting.

Finally, and aside from this topic, there's no need for condescending summary edits like you made in this edit.

I will revert the removal once again per WP:DDE and report further baseless removal of the tag to WP:ANI per same guideline. Regards.--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Restoring cited text removed because the source was misrepresented

I cannot understand why anyone would insist on keeping text in an article when the source in no way backs up the text. There is nothing in about these obsolete racial classifications, that is purely original research by the editor who added it. I made that clear in my edit summaries but you still chose to restore it against our policies and guidelines. I've taken the issue to WP:RSN and will be interested to see your response. Hopefully it will be to remove the text. Did you even read the source? Dougweller (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

King of Croatia infobox

You have no valid arguments, only reverted me without any explanation. However, we should discuss this problem involving more editors, where everybody could tell his/her opinion. Maybe here: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Croatia. --Norden1990 (talk) 01:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Article merger

It seems I never answered your question - I'm sorry, I must have missed it somehow. There's a Talk discussion there where two other people also said the article is off base. A merge is the entirely uncontroversial course of action. At the same time, this article title can hardly be considered a valid search term, so a redirect is largely useless - you might as well nominate the article for deletion, while suggesting a prior merge of whatever little content there is. --Joy (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  —Darkwind (talk) 05:51, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you. —Darkwind (talk) 05:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)