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This user may sometimes share an IP address with Halo Jerk1.

Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Misplaced Pages since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see my user page. My work, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was even blocked. See the block cases. And it's during that first block case that I learned a lot about WP:Assume good faith and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Misplaced Pages, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (it's almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible.

Any questions, compliments or criticism of my work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.

Archive

• Archive 1 (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007)
• Archive 2 (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007
• Archive 3 (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008)
• Archive 4 (from November 10, 2008 - June 6, 2009)
• Archive 5 (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009)
• Archive 6 (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010)
• Archive 7 (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011)
• Archive 8 (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011)
• Archive 9 (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 )
• Archive 10/block cases (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2)
• Archive 10 in general (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012)
• Archive 11 (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013)
• Archive 12 (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013)

User: John

Initial information

Hello. FYI, see the recent discussion on my talk page here. Apparently the issues with "John" and his obstreperousness as a WP "deletionist" on the Brad Pitt article are not unique. ;) Centpacrr (talk) 20:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know. That's why I've mentioned him as being on a power trip and being power hungry. Flyer22 (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well done! And best of luck with that. Basket _Feudalist 14:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

This is your only warning; if you violate Misplaced Pages's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Misplaced Pages page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. --John (talk) 09:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

As thoroughly supported at the WP:BLP noticeboard, I did not violate the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy with this edit. So not only do you have no valid reason to block me because of such a violation, doing so, as has already been mentioned, would be a violation of WP:INVOLVED. Flyer22 (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm EatsShootsAndLeaves. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:Flyer22 that didn't seem very civil, so it should be removed. Misplaced Pages needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AFlyer22&diff=572932075&oldid=572931110 This was wholly inappropriate, and you already know that. ES&L 10:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

EatsShootsAndLeaves (also known as User:Bwilkins), as someone who does not like me (but watches my talk page just waiting for a moment that I will "act up," ever since my brother's actions resulted in my blocks), and has clearly expressed their dislike of me on this very talk page, you should not find it surprising that I take any warning you issue me to be dubious. Flyer22 (talk) 11:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I do watch this talkpage to help to ensure that you do not act up again - hence the gentle poke that you were going in the wrong direction, and giving you personally the chance to fix it. Unless you can show proof that I have ever stated that I dislike you, I would recommend you withdraw that statement as well. Your AGF seems to have gone right out the window in the last 24 hours - something that led to your troubles in the past ES&L 13:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Like I stated at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (WP:ANI), you consider my calling out John's antics (being on a power trip and power-hungry) to be a WP:Personal attack. I do not. Nor do I consider calling out the fact that you are not a neutral commentator on anything regarding me to be a personal attack.

You watching my talk page to ensure that I do not "act up" again is ludicrous because I am not a problematic editor (regardless of you associating me with my brother and his past or future mistakes editing at this site). After the way you treated me during my block cases, especially my second block case, there is no way that I can consider you a neutral editor regarding anything that concerns me. And given the post Herostratus left for you during that time, I'm certain that it's more than just me or a few people who agree on that. That is why I do not WP:Assume good faith with regard to your posting any warning to my talk page. I will always believe that you are only watching this talk page to wait until your chance to help oust me from Misplaced Pages, as you have very clearly expressed that you believe that I do not belong at this site. And my opinion on that is very unlikely to change. But I should thank you, because it's those who clearly want me gone that partly keep me motivated to stay when I know that I would be better off without this drama and other issues like it. Flyer22 (talk) 14:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

It's rather horrifying to see that you believe that an adult could and/or should retain some form of grudge against you - I'm literally aghast. You know full well that my comments/actions/inaction during that block were based solely on the evidence available to the community at large. You also know full well, that since your unblock, I have actually supported you on more than one occasion. Those facts, plus the polite and gentle notice above are clear and obvious signs that I harbour no ill will towards you and your edits. Indeed, my warning above was repeated by someone wholly unrelated on ANI. I'm also disgusted that you would suggest that I am lying about my intentions - absolutely inppropriate to suggest that, and just plain wrong - and the proof of my actions since your unblock speaks louder than anything else. I'll encourage you to simply "get over it" (forgiveness is more powerful than anything) and "get over yourself" (you're not worth having a grudge against anyway) and try to recognize better when people actually are trying to help you. ES&L 16:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Not "should." As for "could," it is "horrifying" that it could happen. But it does happen, including on Misplaced Pages, and you know that it does. So your being "literally aghast" causes me to be literally aghast at your response on that. As for not believing you? I'm entitled to that, just like you are entitled not to believe people and often don't believe people on Misplaced Pages. I'm not sure why you expect me to believe that you no longer wish that I was not here at this site. But I don't, and I have valid reason not to believe that. You state that you have supported me since my unblock, but I know of no such case. And even if you have, that is supposed to qualify as an apology for your actions during the aforementioned time? You kept poking me, making me feel worse than I did, during a time that I was going through a hectic, emotionally draining period in my life off Misplaced Pages (a period that was also partially documented on Misplaced Pages during that first block case). That is not something one easily "gets over." Nor does one easily "get over" supposed friends who turn their backs on someone they should have better faith in. But even so, my wariness of you is not about not having gotten over your behavior toward me during that time. It's about not having forgotten it. It's about not feeling that you regret any of it. That you can't understand any of that and think this is an ego matter that requires me to "get over self" speaks volumes. As for forgiveness, I don't need a lesson on that either; but I do know that, from personal experience, that saying is not always true. Flyer22 (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It's peculiar to be "literally aghast" at the suggestion of a grudge against Flyer22, ES&L, and then say that she is "not worth having a grudge against anyway". I don't know the entire history of the animosity between you two but I think it is not unreasonable for Flyer22 to be suspicious. Liz 11:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

If you don't know the background, and you haven't taken the time to read what I stated, why on Earth would you comment? Even Flyer has blown the background out of proportion - I declined to unblock some months ago ... but to be told that I "dislike them" is ridiculous - how can a human being "dislike" someone they have only interacted with on the internet? ES&L 11:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Bwilkins, I haven't blown a thing out of proportion on this matter. It is not that you declined my unblock request, and you know it. It is how you acted; anyone who reads it (that second block case debacle) can see that you were being antagonistic. After all, that is why Herostratus chose to target you to stop commenting on my talk page at that time. And being a Misplaced Pages editor, you know very well that people can dislike or hate someone on the Internet and that the notion is not ridiculous. Various editors, especially the IP messes we often get, have expressed that they dislike or hate you; for example, the editor You Can Act Like A Man, below in this section, also doesn't appear to like you. I've had enough editors, usually IP editors, state that they dislike me (though usually with different, and sometimes with more provocative, words than dislike); for example, IP 110.174.147.166 and his #Ignorant & Unhelpful, #Stupid Asian Bitch and #Idiotic Sad Case posts (like I told that IP, I'm not Asian nor stupid, but I can be a bitch). And there's also one of the two abusive emails I got during my second block case to keep in mind; the indefinitely blocked User:RJR3333, who was one of the two editors who sent me an abusive email, does not like me at all (at one point, even stated that he hates me and he wished me dead). It is not always a matter of simply stating something we don't mean. There have been Misplaced Pages editors I do not like. For example, it is obvious that John is fitting that category for me these days. There is nothing ridiculous about disliking someone online, especially when that person's personality shows through, any more than it is ridiculous to dislike someone in an in-person workplace. Like an Internet workplace, it's not like we usually know (instead of "know of") the people we work with in-person. Being in-person offers three-dimension, but it is not much different than my interacting with you on the Internet; not unless I were to actually spend time with you to get to know you. And you referring to me by male pronouns at the WP:ANI discussion regarding John, or as "them" above, instead of by the female pronouns I rightly deserve, is more of your disrespect. Alison can assure that there is no reason to doubt that I'm female, so you should cut out the silly pronoun angle that is akin to the pronoun game. And that I have somewhat bonded with Alison since she blocked me further shows that my distrust of you is not simply a matter of "Oh, Bwilkins didn't believe poor me." Flyer22 (talk) 12:45, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

And Liz has read some of the backstory, which is why she stated she doesn't "know the entire history of the animosity between you two." Keywords there are "entire history." But to answer Liz, most of the history is there during that second block case. Flyer22 (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the entire history of the animosity between you two does not mean that I can't read the comments on this Talk Page and look at the conversation happening here. I don't know the entire history of any Editor on Misplaced Pages! I was merely noting that I didn't know about this blocking dispute and was just rendering a comment based on what I was reading on this Talk Page. As for "why on Earth" I would choose to comment, well, I've had interactions with Flyer22 in the past (both positive and not-so-positive), I saw the case on AN/I about the original dispute and I followed the conversation over here. And I comment when I have an opinion to offer. I think that should be easy to understand. Liz 17:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

*sigh - I can state here for the record that I have seen and spoken with Flyer22 on more than one occasion and would like to point out that Flyer22 appears to be 100% female to me. I did not do a karyotype nor did I check her genitalia (these things seem important to some) but she appears to me to be a 20-something woman, so let's try to keep up with our pronouns, mm-kay? If you're not sure you can just use the {{Gender}} template, which will return the correct pronoun - Alison 00:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that Alison, especially the much-needed humor. As for my age, well, I have noted on my user page that I look significantly younger than I am. Flyer22 (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Noting here (especially for the archive) actual personal attacks, brought to us by the lovely John, with responses from me: . Oh, and assuming good faith is not something that has ever led me to any serious trouble in the past. A lot of, if not most, Misplaced Pages editors have had a problem assuming good faith at Misplaced Pages at one point or another. I'm an extremely good judge of character, am right about 98% of the time (as many Misplaced Pages editors here can attest to, especially when it concerns problematic editors and/or predicting their editing behavior). And I was/am absolutely right about John. Flyer22 (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Also sure that I've never called anyone a dumbass on Misplaced Pages before, and I can't remember a specific case where I have off Misplaced Pages. But the other editor gave a most excellent response. Flyer22 (talk) 07:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Deal with BWilkins too! Cheers! Basket _Feudalist 14:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

slow down

You're going to want to slow down and let the ANI thread develop (weekends are slow on WP). You've got a clear consensus at BLP/N. Don't let the discussion be sidetracked by something you post in haste.
Also, if you find an editor's GF effort to help not helpful to you it's generally acceptable to post a polite request they cease posting on your talk page. NE Ent 13:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, NE Ent. Yes, I've noticed how slow Misplaced Pages is on the weekends; I usually like that because it increases the chances that I won't have to deal with any drama here. Today is obviously an exception. And I'm also aware of the talk page aspect you note, except that I usually have not been polite about that matter; it has only been a few times that I have restricted or tried to restrict someone from posting to my talk page and it has usually been in the heat of the moment, due to frustration and/or animosity. Flyer22 (talk) 14:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

We say a lot of things in the heat of the moment. I can dig out edits on WP that I have personally looked at and said to my monitor, "yeah, and **** you too". The absolutely essential thing you have got to do is never ever transfer that thought onto a keyboard. All it takes is for one person to see you calling John "stubborn" and "disruptive" (), and people will think "well, it's tit for tat, they're as bad as each other, no action required". I don't think that's your desired outcome from this, is it? Ritchie333 13:59, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

What I stated here and here about John summarizes my feelings on that. If people want to put me in the same category as John, despite the fact that I was adhering to the WP:Consensus policy while he was violating it, then so be it. Everyone has an opinion, and always will. Having reverted him twice, and referred to him as stubborn and disruptive, among other things, on Misplaced Pages, is not something that I believe I will regret; in fact, I know that I won't. The way he has communicated, acted, during this is... Sighs. Even speaking of him now frustrates me. This, this (side addition here), this, this, this and this post by others perfectly and/or sufficiently describe my feelings and/or John's disruption. None of the posts there are about "how disruptive Flyer has been during this," except for the one post that was clarified as an error. But again, if people want to categorize me as disruptive during this dispute, then so be it. I admit, however, that I should not let John (or anyone else) bring out the worst of me (which includes hurling any insults); that, however, happens from time to time with humans (even in a working environment), often spontaneously when it does happen. All in all, I appreciate your calm, understanding, neutral approach with respect to both sides. Flyer22 (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Someone protests way way too much (modern meaning); but please let it go

All over AN/I I see editors being blocked for ignoring community consensus. But, all of a sudden, when an administrator is against community consensus, edit wars against community consensus, and calls another editor a "dumbass," it's the editor who raises the issue, the "dumbass," who is at fault, and WP:Consensus and WP:Administrators no longer have meaning. It's like a mobile phone company, only one party is held to the contract. Very disappointing.

I don't think John would have blocked you; there is no evidence he has done that before (someone would have provided a diff if he had). I disagree with you about People, it should not be used as a source on Misplaced Pages. I will discuss that on the BLP sources board.

Try to let this one go. User:John has promised to continue disrupting editing by ignoring community consensus. Other editors will get tired of his disruption and name calling. People will then cite this AN/I report as evidence that he continues to be disruptive.

Please continue bringing differences of consensus to community boards where the issues can be discussed by the community. --(AfadsBad (talk) 04:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

Thank you for your views on all of this, AfadsBad. Yes, I see you debating with the others at the WP:BLP noticeboard. I'm done there on the matter, though, for now anyway because the consensus is the same and there's not much more I can add to that discussion. As for John, I'm still discussing that matter at WP:ANI because others are still discussing the matter with me. If I come across John removing sources and/or the text that goes with it because of his personal dislike of those sources instead of whether or not they have actually been deemed unsuitable by Misplaced Pages policy and/or the Misplaced Pages community, I will revert him. I have a few celebrity articles of living people on my watchlist and I won't sit back and let him pull that mess at those articles, and I have good backup at those articles as well. It is especially important not to let him do so on WP:Good and WP:Featured articles. Flyer22 (talk) 04:31, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

On a side note, I corrected your link to the People (magazine) article above in your post. Flyer22 (talk) 04:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think you would be better off dropping it. I keep forgetting about the People (magazine). Thanks. One revert, then talk page, then report, okay? Take care. --(AfadsBad (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

You take care as well. Flyer22 (talk) 05:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Despite what I recently said on ANI, I really don't deliberately go around and upset people - honest! It's just that threads tend to generate lots of hot air and drama, and sometimes improving an article can take your mind off it and clear your head a bit. How about, say, taking Romantic orientation to GA, or even B class? Ritchie333 10:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you meant badly, but Flyer22 tried to deal with the issue as a member of an editing comunity, got called a dumbass by one admin, and now has two other admins really going after her, so it might seem a bit unfair to suggest any of the admins dropped the stick, when it looks like Flyer22 is the dead horse. However, I think you meant well, and I think taking an article to GA would be more fun than continuing to be beat, and I hope Flyer22 will take your suggestion, and I thank you for making it, trying to do something positive. --(AfadsBad (talk) 10:54, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

I can't emphasise this enough - Flyer22 is a good, nay, excellent contributor to the encyclopedia. Somewhere on this talk page I gave her a barnstar for some of the GA work she'd done, and I stand totally by that. Ritchie333 11:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree, that's why it bothers me the way she is treated, and I assumed that is the motive for your efforts here, that you see her value to the encyclopedia.. --(AfadsBad (talk) 11:19, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

Ritchie333, this reply to you was not meant as a jab at you. Well, maybe a bit, LOL. As you know, I was/am simply frustrated with this matter. If anything, I'd rather you close that thread now than for me to be further subjected to RegentsPark's odd logic. And I'm intentionally not linking his name in this paragraph, because, whether he is now watching my talk page (by means of a WP:Watchlist or manually), I don't want him alerted via WP:Echo that I or anyone else has mentioned him here, as if I welcome him to defend John on this talk page; I most certainly don't.

As for working on articles, the Romantic orientation article is a waste of space; it shouldn't exist for a number of reasons (such as the fact that sexual orientation is also about romantic feelings), and you can see similar comments from me about the existence of that article in its edit history. My brother saw these changes to that article and stated that he almost reverted it and/or almost edited it as an IP (our real IP address of course, given past problems with him using a WP:Proxy), that what a terrible copyediting job it was, that it added WP:Original research, and that he still plans to speak with the editor who did that copyediting job. I don't blame him, though it is significantly best that he stay away from my editing area. Alison may have to remind him of that, but she keeps an eye on things regarding us. I won't be touching that Romantic orientation article any further, and have already set my sights on bringing the Vagina article to WP:GA standards (which is also noted in the GA section on my user page). With that article included, there are two other articles that I want to bring to WP:GA status, at least before I retire from this site (if I do).

AfadsBad, thank you for the support, kind words and compliments. It was NeilN that John called a dumbass, by the way. I don't doubt that, offscreen or off-Misplaced Pages, he's called me one, among other things, however; but I'm certainly not focusing on any thoughts he may have with regard to me. Flyer22 (talk) 12:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, after our discussion at BLPN AfadsBad might agree with John's assessment :-) :-) --NeilN 12:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

lol. I disagree with you, and you are annoying me, but I do not consider you a dumbass. Your arguments, maybe, but not you! Now get over there and define what can be used from People.

These diffs are mind-numbing trying to read them to follow a conversation, Flyer22. Vagina should be an FA! Great GA choice, article is awful. --(AfadsBad (talk) 13:03, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

It doesn't matter what article you choose take to GA, as long as it's nothing as mind numbingly dull and pointless as Texas Recreational Road 8, it's all good for the encyclopedia. Vagina isn't really in my area of expertise or interest (to put it as mildly as possible :-/), but still a worthy subject to improve, I would have thought. Ritchie333 13:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

The road articles are mind numbing, but they are very useful, and I appreciate editors who do gois work on articles that would knock me out. I travel for work and like to check out Misplaced Pages road articles before I go, very useful. --(AfadsBad (talk) 14:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

So John has obviously followed me to the Sexual orientation article after my interaction with this IP. He's either watching this talk page (note that I'm not watching his) or is checking in on my contributions. Well, if he starts WP:HOUNDING/WP:STALKING (which I do not put past him, given some of the inappropriate behavior/comments I've seen from him), I will be reporting. Usually, one stays clear of someone they clearly do not get along with. That he has sought possible further interaction with me (it's seeking because he knows that I watch/occasionally edit that article) is nothing short of suspicious. Flyer22 (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

More on John's behavior

Note: I've started this section; it is simply documentation here on my talk page of John's continued less-than-desired behavior.

Those at WP:ANI or elsewhere asserting that John would not have blocked me were wrong. This is an instance where I feel the need to state "Told you so." Not too long after my unpleasant interactions with John, he blocked someone that he was in a dispute with; that person was unblocked because of the rationale that John was WP:INVOLVED. Like me, that editor made an observation that John is on a power trip. Clearly, the Daily Mail is not a good source to use, especially for biographies of living persons, but there are still some experienced Misplaced Pages editors who are iffy on its use and therefore John blocking that editor for his or her repeated reversions of him on that matter was inappropriate. If repeatedly reverting the editor is generally considered prevention of a WP:BLP violation, then I wouldn't classify that as WP:INVOLVED; I wouldn't because reversions of WP:BLP violations are, for example, exempt from WP:3RR. A different administrator took the matter to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard (WP:AN) not only because of the block, but because John has continued to remove sources and the text the sources support...even though others may not categorize such sources as tabloids. From what I see, however, John has mostly continued to remove the Daily Mail. The Misplaced Pages article on it calls it a tabloid newspaper, but the word tabloid is WP:Pipelinked with the Tabloid (newspaper format) article; that article makes it clear that "tabloid format" does not necessarily mean "tabloid" and that many valid newspapers use that format. Either way, the administrator who took the matter to WP:AN removed the report from WP:AN and has been discussing the matter on John's talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

There is also this, this and this showing John refusing to drop the silly stick and to stop disrupting Misplaced Pages at just about every turn. The last diff-link documents the worst case of it (showing the absolutely ridiculous lengths he will go to in order to try and get his way and that he does not respect community consensus one bit when that consensus opposes his views). Flyer22 (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations!

		The Bronze STiki Barnstar of Merit
		Congratulations, Flyer22! You're receiving this barnstar of merit because you recently crossed the 5,000 classification threshold using STiki. We thank you both for your contributions to Misplaced Pages at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and -- numbermaniac 05:08, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Jetsunma Ahkon Lhamo vandalism repair, thank you so much.

Just wanted to say thanks for your help in removing the ongoing vandalism of this page. It's turning into daily upkeep with a vandal adding irrelevant references to The Exorcist and demons. Sigh. Longchenpa (talk) 07:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw your comment earlier, but am just now replying because I was too sleepy to reply earlier (though not too sleepy to make a revert or two). You are welcome. And since you are having the type of trouble you are having at that article, I might put it on my WP:Watchlist. Keep in mind that you can also request that the article be protected at WP:Requests for page protection. Flyer22 (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Chuck Cotter facts

I hope this doesn't disappoint you too much, but the items on User:Flyer22#Favorite reads on Misplaced Pages aren't original. They're part of the large collection of Chuck Norris facts, merely re-attributed. --GRuban (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL!! No, not disappointed. I added that some time back. Like the top of my user page currently states, "Parts of my user page were created in 2007/2008, and I'm either too lazy to drastically redesign that text or have become attached to that text in a way." Flyer22 (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

the subject, talk

I am sorry for talking to you bad, but that idea still angers me. Anyway, the real reason I came to this page again, is the gender card.

Yes that's right, gender card. I don't know you were a female or male, I just want to get the record straight. I honestly don't call anyone uses he or she, and I use you and variations of online. I also didn't honestly think of what your gender was male or female, and didn't take that into account insisting you were sexist. Part of the gender neutral movement of English, I just want to make clear that while you are female, and I am, I will continue to use third person when referring to you. I never, in my history of wikiepdia, referred to using he or her. I have been on Misplaced Pages since 2008, but all this time I never created an account. During this time, I used a verity of ATMC IP addresses, as they are dynamic. As they change when we have a power outage, which happens occasionally, I don't have a lot of history on me. --209.188.62.150 (talk) 04:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Pedro Passos Coelho

OK, he's the worst asshole in Europe, at least, but I've finished. --Nmgscp74 (talk) 4:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, as you know, a different editor reverted you on this. And this type of editing, which I reverted you on, is also inappropriate...very inappropriate; continue to WP:Vandalize, and you will be blocked...temporarily or indefinitely. Flyer22 (talk) 04:53, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

"Good faith" reversion via STiki

I recently edited the Komi Grammar page and found that you reverted my edit as a "good faith" reversion. In reading the STiki page, I notice that Good-faith Reverts are for edits which are "clearly unconstructive, but lack the intent and malice that characterizes vandalism." My edit was not clearly unconstructive, and as such I have since undone your reversion and provided a citation for my original edit. Please do not hesitate to ask for citations!

I also cannot help but notice that your reversion count using STiki has gone from 1,000 STiki reversions on 05:41, 10 September 2013 to 5,000 reversions on 05:08, 19 September 2013. I am aware I do not have a user account, but that does not mean my contributions are as such "clearly unconstructive." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.165.84 (talk)

Hello, IP. Your edit (before you reverted while adding a source) initially looked unconstructive to me. And, yes, I know about the revert via WP:Echo. Notice that I did not revert you again. I don't see what my STiki count has to do with this, unless you are implying that I must be wrongly reverting a lot of people; I'm not, considering that I usually double check my edits (whether adding additions or reverting). I apologize for making a mistake in your case. Flyer22 (talk) 05:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Mailed you some pretty private matters

(do not tell anyone what its contents is) --Lesbiangirl123 (talk) 11:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I likely won't be reading it. Seriously, as it will likely lead to some debate and your logic is sufficiently odd to me. And per Misplaced Pages:POSTEMAIL#Private correspondence, I certainly would not reveal the contents of it at Misplaced Pages anyway. Flyer22 (talk) 11:29, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

It really does not contain anything bad, and no criticism. It contains... nothing related to sexual I was discussing. It is related to my life, problems with it, and what I do. You have to really read it to get your understanding, and I really want you to read it. it's to sensitive to talk about, and it is kind of long, but it's just for you. I cannot say what it is publicly, as I don't want nobody but you to read it. --Lesbiangirl123 (talk) 11:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I will read it, and may get back to you on that. Are you sure that it was a good idea to post the personal things you did on your user page? In addition to the good or decent people we have at this site, we have some really mean-spirited people here as well (as is likely the case for any site). As someone who knows what it is like to be depressed, even severely depressed, I somewhat understand how you feel; though I'm not sure that it ever got to the point of major depressive disorder, it did get to the point where I tried to harm myself after "a trigger" here at Misplaced Pages (which is well documented during the first time I was blocked from editing Misplaced Pages). That wasn't the first time I've tried to physically harm myself, however. I apologize if I contributed to your feeling bad in any way. Depression is a tricky thing because almost anything can trigger it (bad things, or perceived bad things, especially of course), even when you think you have a good grasp on it (your mental state). A person or incident can trigger the return of the depression even when that was not the intention. I obviously had no intention of making you feel worse. And again, I apologize if I did. There's not much I can do about how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work; I follow the Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines as best I can (which is usually a good or great "best"). Flyer22 (talk) 16:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

(stalking) I'll give you my (totally unsolicited) advice. Change your username (see WP:RENAME for how to do it) to something more neutral that doesn't suggest at your sexuality in any way shape or form whatsoever. PinkAmpersand's in a similar position to you (afaik) and he does alright. Ritchie333 11:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Newbie

Happy to. Hopefully you can keep an eye on him elsewhere and we can nudge him toward learning Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll help you with that editor at the Mariah Carey article. As for keeping an eye on him or her elsewhere, I'm not sure about that; the editor is not a very active editor and I'm certain that he or she is the type who does not care/will never care about Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines. However, if I see you explaining such policies and guidelines to the editor, like you recently did, I will assist. Flyer22 (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Hegel problem

Flyer22: You removed my note of warning posted on a pernicious "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" page posted in support of over 3,000 words (by my count) of pollution dumped onto the G.W.F. Hegel page by I-don't-know-whom. How would you suggest I flag this content as highly speculative and deriving from a single author (who was an economist, not a philosopher, I have discovered)? Those hoping to learn something about Hegel should not be exposed to this controversial speculation as if it were true and widely-accepted, when, in fact, it has been refuted. Thanks. JBurke01 (talk) 02:33, 25 September 2013‎

Yes, I reverted you on this for the reasons stated in that WP:Edit summary. You can flag that material by adding a Template:Dubious to it. For further information on tackling the accuracy/inaccuracy of content, see Misplaced Pages:Accuracy dispute#Disputed statement. Flyer22 (talk) 02:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

deleted info

I deleted the page at the request of the person it was about. Zzebra138 (talk) 02:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi flyer22, in pwbradley07, can I please ask why you keep undoing my edits to the Kippax Knights wiki page???? All the changes I have had are true to many locals in our village. My dad & grandfather played for Kippax, I myself play for Kippax, a pride myself on kippax's history in rugby league. Many locals saw my changes and said they were as accurate as ever, and illustrated our history in good order, so I don't see how Iv violated any codes. I feel you were wrong to undo my changes. Thank you for reading this. P W Bradley. Pwbradley071178 (talk) 22:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Pwbradley071178, I'm not the only one who has reverted you at that article. Though that article is not on my WP:Watchlist, I have reverted you twice, on two different days, because your additions mostly are not in encyclopedic tone (see WP:TONE), are otherwise formatted improperly and are unsourced (see WP:Verifiability).

And remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. I signed your username for you above. Flyer22 (talk) 23:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

You deleted my changes to Brian McCann (baseball)

Dear Flyer22,

Why don't you like fun?

63.139.2.226 (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Casus Belli Edit

Thank you for your insight. That sentence was not constructive as I forgot to include a very important part. It should have read " The expression is often uttered whilst observing failing Pakistani restaurants through binoculars from the 5th floor of an Upper West Side apartment. I will change it immediately and then there will be no need for you to edit again.

THANKS!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanthecaddy (talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Sarcasm will get you nowhere. Your edit looks like vandalism to me, either version, unless you mean the word falling instead of failing. But I wounder in what way falling would make sense unless the restaurants are being knocked down. Therefore, your addition, if you readd it, will be reverted again, either by me or someone else. Flyer22 (talk) 16:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet of محبةالكتب

Hello, I saw your notes in the edit summaries for the Blond article. I also thought it was likely that the IP 41.96.x.x is a sock of محبةالكتب. The edits are of a similar nature but not exactly the same so I'm not really sure. The intent seems to be the same but usually the socks I run across just keep making the exact same edits instead of trying to change it up. Editor Samer154 is also making edits from a similar position (a kind of anti-Western thing, maybe?) but again there's some room for doubt. But given the grammatical issues and the general tone of the edits they do seem to be quacking rather loudly. SQGibbon (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I was going to state I completely agree with you, including that there is room for doubt, and that it's because of this that I am only 99.9% sure that they are all the same person. But even if we were to state that IP 41.96 is not User:محبةالكتب, one thing is for certain: IP 41.96 IP is Samer154; compare the 41.96.66.186 and Samer154 contributions. Samer154 also changed it up here and here after I reverted him or her as an IP here and here. And all of them, User:محبةالكتب, the 41.96 IPs and Samer154, write in the same broken English way, with the same inappropriate capitalization; compare here and here. Also compare use of the word dear here and here. WP:DUCK. User:محبةالكتب has been WP:Socking as Samer154 for some time. User:محبةالكتب registered as an account in May 2012; Samer154 as an account in May 2013. I'm actually 100% certain that these are all the same person. User:محبةالكتب simply isn't so dumb as to keep making the same exact edits that got him or her indefinitely blocked, but is still prone to be caught on socking matters (like now). Flyer22 (talk) 14:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Yep, looking more closely I'm with you that it's 100% certain they are all the same person. The weird use of "Dear" was the final straw. SQGibbon (talk) 15:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

School Project on Verizon FiOS

Hi. I am currently working on a school project, and I was wondering if you could provide my group with some assistance. I noticed you gave some assistance to some of my colleagues who are working on the Misplaced Pages page on Marissa Cooper. Our group is working on the Verizon FiOS page, and we are looking for some advice. Would you be able to take a look at our talk page and comment on something that we should improve upon? Are our suggestions good for the topic or is there anything else we should add/remove? If possible, can you comment on the talk page for Verizon FiOS? We appreciate your help! Andrew.prafder (talk) 22:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Andrew.prafder, there isn't much I can offer with regard to your request. One thing I can offer is to state that the second paragraph in my aforementioned post at the Marissa Cooper talk page obviously applies to all Misplaced Pages articles. I'll post that same paragraph at the Verizon FiOS talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Marina Oswald Porter

Hello. Yesterday I read the article on Marina Oswald Porter. I noticed that it stated that the "backyard photos" taken by Marina of Lee Harvey Oswald were manipulated. This is a viewpoint held by fringe conspiracy theorists that has been thoroughly disproven. Every reputable expert who has examined those photos has verified them as being genuine, including those consulted by the Warren Commision and the HSCA. The article also stated that Marina told the Warren Commision that she had taken a "single" photo with the word "single" emphasized for some reason. In fact, she initially told the WC that she only remembered taking one photo, then later said she may have taken two. She later said she probably did take all four. She told the FBI after the assassination that she had taken all four. Again, only fringe conspiracy theorists claim that Marina only took one photo. The source given for this information is Robert Groden, a discredited conspiracy theorist who was torn to shreds when he testified for the defense in the OJ Simpson trial when he testified that photos of Simpson were manipulated. There was no disclaimer regarding the comments informing the reader that the claims of photo manipulation by conspiracy theorists have been disproven by experts, the comments are simply presented as undisputed fact. I removed the spurious statements and you reverted my changes claiming it to be vandalism. If you are going to present the claims of fringe conspiracy theorists as fact, why not change your 9/11 article to state unequivocally that Bush was behind it? Why not change Barack Obama's birthplace to Kenya, or for that matter remove Elvis' date of death since some believe he is still alive?

Please get rid of the conspiracy related nonsense. Or, if you are going to present it, at least indicate that the info is strictly the view of conspiracy theorists and is not supported by the mainstream. This is about the fourth JFK assassination related article I have tried to clean up after conspiracy theorists have edited it to present their outlandish allegations as fact. 122.150.255.112 (talk) 00:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, IP. I wasn't presenting anything as fact. I reverted you because you removed sourced material and changed the wording without providing a reason for having done so. If you are editing the article properly, I don't mind. Flyer22 (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Refactored edit

Hi Flyer22. I was notified of your use of my quote, and I appreciate that you found it useful. I did notice that the diff you used is not to the original location, so I took the liberty of substituting the original diff. Please look at my edit and the edit summary. I hope you don't mind. I don't usually edit other people's comments, but I felt this would improve the content in a manner which you would find to be okay. If not, please accept my apology and just revert my edit. -- Brangifer (talk) 02:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem, per this and this. Flyer22 (talk) 02:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Capitalism page change

Hi flyer. I was undoing someone's "rm test edit" by re-bolding one of the headers. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bojo1498 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Bojo1498, your edit was incorrect. MilesMoney knew what he was doing; this is because headers, at least the standard headers that are used (such as the one MilesMoney was targeting), don't need bolding. That's why I reverted you, before noting in that article's edit history and at your talk page that you must have made a mistake.

Also, remember to sign your user name when commenting on talk pages. As you can see above, a bot signed it for you. Flyer22 (talk) 21:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the miscommunication... I didn't realize exactly what he did. Thanks!--Bojo1498 (talk) 22:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Changes to My Brest Friend's Girl

On the page for My Best Friend's Girl (2008 film), I recently changed the name "Brad Garret" to its proper spelling, Brad Garrett. You changed it back because it was "not constructive". Why is it not constructive to change the name to its proper spelling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.159.135 (talk) 05:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, IP. I saw your message earlier, but I didn't reply at that time because I was sleepy and rested for a few hours (though intermittently reverting), and later because I became busy with some edits. But here is the revert in question, from a number of days ago. You are obviously correct that your edit was not unconstructive. The only reasons I can think that I reverted you and gave you that warning are either because I accidentally hit the revert option or because your edit seemed wrong to me because it looked like you were adding an extra t as a test or as an action of vandalism. Considering that I hardly ever hit the revert button by accident, I'm certain that the latter is why I reverted you. Because you placed the t outside of the bracket, which is not correct formatting, that also factors into the revert (having signaled "test or vandalism" to me). I apologize for my mistake on that, have fixed the matter (the text) and will note this on your talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 10:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with The Wachowskis' issues in The Matrix article.

Thank you for informing Cecildeed for us about edit warring on The Matrix article. Good job noting that he/she is engaging in edit warring. Some people are either meat/sockpuppets, clueless, in denial that trans were once male, or they want to feel important about knowing that Larry is Lana now - forget the fact that The Matrix WAS directed by Larry Wachowski. Active contributors on that article constantly battle this for ages, and it's nice to see some fresh help. I sincerely thank you. Anthonydraco (talk) 15:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. As you have seen, during that same comment I also warned the editor about deceptive edit summaries. It appears that after I reverted one of those deceptive edit summaries, Grayfell, who I think watches the Clitoris article with me, caught on to the editor's deceptive edit summaries and tackled two of his or her edits thus far. One is mentioned in my aforementioned message to Cecildeed; the other is seen here. Four things, among various things, I cannot stand about this site (all four things seeming to apply to Cecildeed) are those who use deceptive edit summaries, those who edit based solely on their opinion and/or advocacy (disrespecting WP:Verifiability, WP:Neutrality and the WP:Due weight aspect of WP:Neutrality), those who intentionally disrespect WP:Consensus without a valid WP:Ignore all rules reason to do so...and those who fail to reliably source their article content (especially if that content is contentious). I will only tolerate (and not for long) newbies placing the WP:Burden on me and/or other Misplaced Pages editors; editors who have been editing this site for some time should know better than to do that. I don't know if Cecildeed is disrespecting WP:Consensus on The Wachowskis matter, but he or she obviously needs to stop doing that if he or she is. WP:Consensus is one of our least respected policies, probably less respected than WP:Civil, and that needs to stop. What is the point of building consensus, if people can just disregard it at any given moment? People are back at Square 1 when that happens. Consensus can change, but unless it has changed...it had better be respected unless there is valid cause to ignore it. Flyer22 (talk) 16:21, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The Politics of...Hair Color?

I do not know why but there seems to be a certain vandalism or subtextual POV pushing in articles about hair color. I noticed you addressed Blond (though there is still some odd information on that piece) but 41.96.66.186 did some unconstructive edits to Black hair a week ago...can you use your rollback powers to bring it back to the last good version?
I really don't understand why hair color is seen as some kind of point of pride or an anatomical aspect that reflects on ones ethnic or national pride. Thanks. Liz 22:12, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Geolocate says that IPs 41.96.0.0 - 41.96.255.255 are from this city in Algeria. Not sure if this explains anything, more of a curiosity. Liz 22:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Yep, there is an odd focus and especially bias that some editors have concerning the hair color articles. See the current discussions at Talk:Brown hair as well. WP:Rollback can't be used to revert an editor once a different editor has edited the article after that one; what I mean by this is that since Samer154 edited the Black hair article after he or she edited on the aforementioned IP range, this caused an intermediate edit (a block) to me reverting using the rollback tool. So what I had to do to revert in this case was click on the version of the article that exists immediately before those edits, which is this one, then click the edit option for that version and save that version. Some long-term Misplaced Pages editors still don't know about reverting that way. Here is the revert. However, that IP range/Samer154 is likely to revert my edit and/or add more of the same material. Therefore, he or she will likely need to be reported as a sockpuppet, per the #Sockpuppet of محبةالكتب discussion above. Flyer22 (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to explain this all to me, Flyer22. I didn't understand about the rollback tool and some (file mover?) are still ambiguous to me. The motivations about changes on this topic but, in the end, the only thing that matters is what kind of shape the article is in. Thanks for looking into this. Liz 23:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Certainly was no problem explaining the reverting matter or commenting on the politics, Liz. You're welcome. Flyer22 (talk) 23:58, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with Marissa Cooper - The OC: Class Project

Hi Flyer22. Thanks so much for continuing to edit the Misplaced Pages page we are working on for Marissa Cooper. I'm here to ask you a question regarding citations and references. When following the guidelines, my additions appear in red text. I believe that you corrected the issue we encountered in the "Character's Exit" section. Now, we are facing this issue under references. Do you have any suggestions for us? Thank you for helping us - we really appreciate the time and effort you're putting into this page. JLieberman31 (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I see. I was in the process of replying on the talk page. Look there for more replies from me. And it was actually me who messed up the reference your team added to the Character's exit section; I then tweaked it. Flyer22 (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Going back to reference formatting, yes this attempt was a little wrong, but was mostly correct; it simply had stray parts of reference templates included. You are correct that I fixed that, though it took me a few edits to fix all of the reference formatting in that section because I hadn't initially noticed completely what was wrong the first time I attempted the fix. And here is the tweak I was referring to. Flyer22 (talk) 19:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok... Sex positions

Thanks for correcting me, but I'm wondering about sources. The sources I can see in the article only mention penetrative relations. Regarding the pic and edit summary, I think the pic makes it non-neutral, as it represents a comparatively small group in the lead (in effect elevating them to a position not attained in sourcing or practise of the act). 2.102.187.114 (talk) 14:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Linking this to show your previous discussion post to my talk page (which that link shows that I reverted with a response). I also amended this heading by adding "Sex positions" to it so that it is clear what this section is about. In the future, consider taking such matters to the article talk pages. I personally prefer that article discussions that should clearly be had on the article talk pages take place there. Do I want that done in this case now? No, because there is not much to resolve regarding these disputes between the two of us. So addressing your points:

Regarding the Doggy style article, oral sex can obviously be penetrative (and is sometimes considered sexual intercourse in WP:Reliable sources, especially if fellatio is the type of oral sex being discussed). As for sourcing, I'll take care of that at a later date, but think of how dominance and submission may employ a doggy style position without sexual penetration taking place. Or how frottage may involve the position. The Doggy style article is very poor, as are many sex anatomy and sexual topic articles at this site. I am but one person tackling some of these articles when I am in the mood to do so and have good time to do so. Some of these articles, such as Snowballing (sexual practice) and Felching, I have no interest in editing.

As for the picture of the male couple at the Missionary position article, I suppose you mean WP:Undue weight (especially the "giving equal validity" part of it), which is why the heterosexual aspect of the missionary position is mentioned first in the lead. It's difficult to find WP:Reliable sources that do not only describe that sex position as a heterosexual act or only attribute it to heterosexuality in some way. But sources describing it as an act used by gay and lesbian couples, such as this one currently in the lead, or by couples of any sex/gender combination, do exist. Before I edited that article, there was no mention that the missionary position is used by gay and lesbian pairings; see this past discussion about anal sex and the missionary position. To me, adding that picture to the lead was adding neutrality without violating WP:Undue weight; that is why I responded to you the way I did here, here and here. After all, many people (mostly heterosexual people) have no idea that anal sex can be performed in the missionary position (Googling the topic shows that), or that, yes, some gay men perform anal sex in that position. Then again, too many people think that all gay men have anal sex; a common misconception. People are that uncreative on topics regarding sexual activity that they cannot even imagine something as simple as anal sex in the missionary position. I'm used to people removing that male couple image due to obvious bias, such as here even when it was placed lower in a section specifically about anal sex; so to see you remove it from the lead was more of the same in my eyes. Furthermore, men who have sex with men (MSM), which additionally includes those who don't identify as gay or bisexual, are not a small group; I'm not even sure that, given the MSM and down-low factors (see the what the CDC states in the HIV/AIDS section of the Misplaced Pages down-low article), we can accurately state that men who have sex with men are a "comparatively small group" when compared to men who only have sex with women. However, perhaps with regard to the missionary position, they are a "comparatively small group" because it is likely that heterosexual couples practice that position significantly more than male couples. Either way, I felt, and still feel, that the image of the two men is more relevant to the lead than where you placed it; it's barely relevant to the section you placed it in, and before I combined it with the tribadism image moments ago, it couldn't fit in the section that discusses anal sex. But I don't care very much about opposing you on its position in the lead; that's why I moved on instead of reverting you again and/or taking this matter to the article's talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 17:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. You seem to be an expert on Misplaced Pages regarding these topics (without the POV problems of many editors there), so if you think that there are plenty of reliable sourcing saying that then I'll leave it (though if it's okay with you I'll change it to say "some regard...", as it seems far from universally accepted.

I appreciate how the pic would be informative to unaware readers. However, I think the sentence in the lead (first paragraph too) does it enough without raising concerns over undue weight. 2.102.187.114 (talk) 02:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

What part of the text do you suggest "some regard"? What wording are you proposing? I generally stay away from such wording (unless I can't) per WP:Weasel words. Flyer22 (talk) 02:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

True, though without sourcing it's sometimes inevitable. Let me know what you think of that change and others (not an injunction to discuss here without reverting me). 2.102.187.114 (talk) 02:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Also note my edit to the baseball metaphor article. Perhaps you have access to the source that either validates or disputes my edit (or you don't but agree/disagree with me that the points there mismatch). 2.102.187.114 (talk) 03:10, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your change, sexual penetration that may not be regarded as sexual intercourse (such as the use of anal beads between sex partners) may also take place in the doggy style position. That's another reason why I included "or other sexual activities." I meant it when I stated that a variety of sexual activities are practiced in that position (the same applies to the missionary position). And the doggy style position is also called the rear-entry position, as the article states (something I added earlier this month); this position is not limited to being on all fours; see this, this, this (click the "Standing, Rear Entry" option at the side) and this layman source for examples. I haven't added those to the article because they are poor sources for an encyclopedia on this topic, and, like I stated, I will add scholarly sources to that article at a later date. So that is why I partially reverted you, but with tweaks (including having fixed the WP:Weasel wording).

As for this edit to the Baseball metaphors for sex article, no, I have not accessed those sources yet.

As for POV problems, even I occasionally get accused of it with regard to sex topics; I've been accused of heterosexism and of having a gay agenda. Such accusations seem to come with the territory. The former comes from the fact that I often keep the WP:Undue weight aspect of WP:Neutral in mind. The latter comes from simply being WP:Neutral or giving more weight to a same-sex matter because sources give more weight to that matter. And on that note, I have to ask: Are you someone I have interacted with before at this site? Your style of editing, not to mention having followed me to the Baseball metaphors for sex article, somewhat reminds me of a Misplaced Pages editor I'm familiar with. Flyer22 (talk) 04:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'm fine with that then. I edit pretty infrequently, usually in short bursts. I've seen you around (hence I know you you're pretty NPOV) but we've never had any direct interaction. 2.102.187.114 (talk) 12:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh and I didn't follow you to that article to check your edits. I noticed it in your contributions and decided I'd like to read the article. 2.102.187.114 (talk) 12:22, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay. And I've seen you elsewhere as well (on the same IP range, but with different IPs) at a non-sexual topic (well, mostly non-sexual).

Take care. We are likely to cross paths again on this site. You know how people say "small world" in cases where they meet a person they already know in an unlikely setting or somewhere despite the odds of having done so seeming miniscule because the world is (supposedly) big? That's what Misplaced Pages can feel like. In the case of crossing paths with you again, however, it may be because we have somewhat similar editing interests (not just sexual topics). Flyer22 (talk) 12:36, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm always surprised how often I see the same people considering there are over 4 million articles on this site. 2.102.187.114 (talk) 12:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

your reversion of edit using merriam webster as lead in Circumcision article

Circumcision is a cultural phenomenon which is also sometimes a medical procedure. Therefore your substituting a medical source over the lead USA dictionary plain english definition may be misguided .--— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht /_Stalk 21:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Tumadoireacht. No, my revert of you at that article is not misguided. As WP:MEDRS has been explained to you various times at the Circumcision article, I would simply be repeating myself to reiterate why such edits are not appropriate. Some other medical procedures are cultural phenomenons as well, but we use medical sourcing first and foremost for them. WP:MEDRS is very clear about when using non-medical sources is acceptable, such as when relaying cultural aspects that don't require WP:MEDRS-compliant sourcing. Flyer22 (talk) 23:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The reasons you have outlined are those for which a plain english initial description is preferable. That a small cabal of other editors agrees with you, and impedes article development, is not really relevant and your feeling the need to mention it further diminishes your argument. You duck the fact neatly that Circumcision is PRIMARILY a cultural phenomenon and secondarily sometimes a medical proceedure i. Many circumcisons of both men and women are performed by religious or tribal personnel. The forced circumcisions of adults in Europe and in Africa, which we have so far found ourselves unable to mention are often performed by persons with no training whatsoever. So the "medical" argument to oppose plain english description of the cutting off of the skin at the head of the infant or adult human male penis is a curious phenomenon in itself and worthy of re-examination by its faithful and by others.--— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht /_Stalk 08:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Tumadoireacht, this type of thing was extensively explained to you in the Reversion of edits to the "Adverse" section mentioning deaths and injury to children in NYC, Africa and low rate of complications in a large cohort in Israel discussion. You disagree with those arguments that are against yours on this matter, and my support of them. Noted. But I have nothing more to state to you about it. Flyer22 (talk) 14:30, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Comment

i dont know to talk to you but i had guests over that were on the computer, so i am deeply sorry for any problems they caused — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.77.12 (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry for the table thing. I didn't think it would actually post. sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:50C0:F200:F2B4:79FF:FE17:4E3F (talk) 04:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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Moon Festival edit

Hello Flyer22,

I edited the page on Moon Festivals and removed the alternate name Mooncake Festival. The page has reverted because "it did not appear constructive." Sincere apologies; there is no offence meant. This is the first time (and probably the only time) that I tried editing anything on Misplaced Pages as this is the only entry my organisation feels strongly about.

We still maintain that the term is incorrect. Is there a way to just remove the term? This is becoming some sort of a cycle: some people started using Mooncake Festival, and they started thinking it was correct. And then it was put on Misplaced Pages, and then more and more people think it is correct. The closest analogy that I could think of is the American holiday of Thanksgiving where the traditional food is turkey. Just as it will never be and should never be called the turkey festival (which will connote that the turkey is being celebrated), a festival that celebrates the Moon and the Mid-Autumn harvest should not be called after a cake.

The entry affects all the users who want to find out about the Mid-Autumn Moon Festival. More and more people (students, stores, corporations, media) are using Mooncake Festival - still doesn't make the term correct.

Thank you and I hope you understand the dilemma :-)

Bahaytsinoy (talk) 10:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)Meah Ang See, Director, Bahay Tsinoy, museum of Chinese in Philippine life

Hello, Bahaytsinoy. These are the edits you are referring to, made on September 5th of this year to the Mid-Autumn Festival article. I don't have that article on my WP:Watchlist, so, after reverting you, I'm not sure why I kept visiting that article to revert others. It seems that rather than having it on my WP:Watchlist for a brief time, I kept coming across it on WP:STiki. Anyway, I reverted you because, as the aforementioned edit shows, you removed a WP:Reliable source without providing a valid reason for having done so and added text that is not WP:TONE-compliant. The text "to join in the fun!", in your own words, is not encyclopedic because it's opinionated to assert that the matter in question is fun, which violates WP:Neutrality, and the same (with regard to being non-encyclopedic) applies to adding an exclamation mark; if those things were a part of a quote (put in quotation marks) and coming from a WP:Reliable source placed against it, then they would be an appropriate addition. The edit in question doesn't show you having removed "Mooncake Festival." I don't care if you remove "Mooncake Festival," as long as you do it without invalidly removing a WP:Reliable source/adding text that is not WP:TONE-compliant/leaving the remaining text with a grammatical error due to the removal. Flyer22 (talk) 11:39, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Changes to Wael Hallaq

Dear Flyer22,

Apologies if I have been the cause for any confusion with regard to recent changes to the Wael Hallaq article. I am not an expert Misplaced Pages editor, having only authored and edited this one article. I will now detail and explain my changes here, so that we might resolve the issue.

1) the identification "non-Muslim Arab" in the opening sentence, though true, has the effect of stereotyping Wael Hallaq and his academic contributions. Although the fact that he is a non-Muslim and an Arab may be of interest to some readers, stating the fact at the outset gives it undue precedence; this wrong emphasis is a disservice to the living subject of the article and to the reader, and, as I have said, comes off as a an attempt to stereotype. Imagine, for example, if the article on Reza Aslan opened with "Reza Aslan is a non-Christian Persian," or the article on Muhammad Ali opened with "Muhammad Ali is a non-Christian African."

2) For the above reason, I chose to remove "non-Muslim Arab" (which, along with its citation, had been added by another editor), and to insert the term "non-Muslim" into the third sentence of the second paragraph. In this way, the fact may be known to those who, for whatever reason, deem it important, but not in such an essentializing and stereotyping manner. As for "Arab," so much should be evident through the combination of his name and birthplace; it need not be stated at the outset as a defining characteristic--the effect, again, is stereotyping.

3) As for my choice of the word "prominent" to replace "non-Muslim Arab," this is not POV requiring citation. The facts related in the article are eloquent testimony to Wael Hallaq's prominence in Islamic Studies: three decades in the academic field, two highly-sought-after and influential professorships, nine authored volumes, and some sixty other publications are evidence enough of prominence in an academic field. Prominence is not proven by citing a text which links the subject to the word "prominent;" rather, it is evidenced by the subject's many and influential accomplishments and publications. Scholars and students in the field of Islamic Legal Studies--my own area of study, authorship, and teaching--know the name Wael Hallaq very well.

I hope I have explained myself adequately. Please let me know if you have any other causes or concerns.

Best, RaHHaal (talk) 01:28, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, RaHHaal. We, as Misplaced Pages editors, are not supposed to judge what is "prominent" for ourselves. Doing so ourselves is considered significantly more subjective than if a WP:Reliable source asserts it. Take Michael Jordan, for example. Many people, very like the vast majority of people, consider him the greatest/most prominent basketball player of all time. But we are not supposed to assert that ourselves (meaning based on our own opinion), or state "Michael Jordan is a prominent basketball player." without supporting it with a WP:Reliable source. In his Misplaced Pages article, we get across the fact that he is considered the greatest/most prominent basketball player of all time by relaying: His biography on the National Basketball Association (NBA) website states, "By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time." We do this because, per WP:Verifiability, Misplaced Pages requires a citation for such wording, including your wording of "prominent." Such wording is also often considered non-WP:Neutral if not done right ("right" meaning the inclusion of a WP:Reliable source, making sure that the assertion is not WP:Undue weight, and possibly that it has WP:In-text attribution).

I see that you reverted me, as though I am simply supposed to accept your explanations and that's that, the matter is resolved. I will not revert again because I am not that interested in this matter, and I know that relatively inexperienced Misplaced Pages editors such as yourself are prone to WP:Edit war. But, despite your Misplaced Pages editing being very infrequent, you should familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Perhaps one of these days, you are going to come across a Misplaced Pages editor who is not so willing to let you get your way...and you won't know how to deal with it, and will likely get blocked for whatever reason (likely WP:Edit warring), because you are not familiar with the way things are supposed to work here. Flyer22 (talk) 02:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Anarchistdy

I have reported Anarchistdy to the edit warring noticeboard, if you'd like to comment. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 09:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I knew before you left a message for me on his talk page and here about this. Have commented. Flyer22 (talk) 09:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Happy Birthday!

Have a very happy birthday on your special day!
Best wishes, Halo Jerk1 (talk) (16:47, 4 October 2013 (UTC))

I think you need the good wishes here too, not just at home. Hope you don't mind. I added you to this list. I know you don't like it when your birthday comes around, but try to cheer up. Maybe this message makes up for this and the lack of help you're getting from that article's watchers? Halo Jerk1 (talk) 16:47, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

The message helped a bit, and of course the otherwise nice birthday. When yours arrives in a few days, don't expect a Misplaced Pages message from me about it. *Grumbles, as always, that our birthdays are only four days apart...while our other siblings get breathing space on the birthday front* Also, thanks to DrNegative for helping out. Flyer22 (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Anytime, and happy belated. DrNegative (talk) 22:06, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Flyer22 (talk) 22:14, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Rice University Residential Colleges Page

Good day!

I can understand why my recent edit might not seem constructive, but it is actually true and correct information. The naming of the new wing was a matter brought before the Lovett College Central Committee, referenced in the article, and the proposal to name it "Stinky Leebron" was passed by a majority vote of the eligible elected officers.

If you're interested I can go into more details, but suffice it to say: I would greatly appreciate working with you to include this piece of information in the article. I think there might be a better place to put it, but what do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.245.37 (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

No need to work out any of that with me. I suppose that I will have to WP:Assume good faith with you on this matter, unless you can provide a source from that school confirming what you've relayed to me. Flyer22 (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your help in providing evidence regarding Anarchistdy. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 00:42, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, and you're welcome. Flyer22 (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for Undoing Syrian Emergency Task Force Vandalism

Thank you for recently undoing the vandalism to Syrian Emergency Task Force. The same vandalism recently reoccurred and I have undone it. It appears the organization is in the process of folding and re-branding itself (its website has just gone offline and its phone is disconnected) and, I suspect, an attempt is being made to scrub its history as part of a fresh start. I don't know it's necessary to request page protection yet, however, I'll keep watching it and very much appreciate your attentiveness and assistance. BlueSalix (talk) 07:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Flyer22 (talk) 07:53, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

15:47, 6 October 2013‎ Flyer22 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (7,478 bytes) (-26)‎ . . (Reverted 1 edit by 165.249.0.62 identified as test/vandalism using STiki) (undo)

thanks for cleaning that up.

I left my browser open and another friend walked over to make a revision without my knowledge

btw chirs is a dumbass.....

keep up the good work.....

Josh 165.249.0.62 (talk) 15:54, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

You Deleted West Hills High School Information

I'm actually a student at this high school, and as a member of ASB, I know that my mascot's names are Wolfie and Wolfette. Wolfie is the male wolf while Wolfette is the female wolf. I request that I reedit the page to have the correct information. Snowshredder140 (talk) 04:38, 7 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Snowshredder140, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. I signed your username for you above. Flyer22 (talk) 23:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Mammary intercourse

Just to clarify, I'm well aware that women can (and often do) achieve orgasm through cunnilingus; but the partner performing the cunnilingus doesn't normally orgasm themselves as a direct result of performing the cunnilingus! -- Taohinton (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, when I made this comment (and the followup after it), I considered that's what you meant by your edit summary statement and that you'd likely clarify on my talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 16:42, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Brad Pitt

Sorry that I haven't responded to you I don't use that e-mail anymore but I'm so confused as to what the problem is with the Brad Pitt article, I barely edit anymore. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:54, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Any current problem with that article is not with the sources that a certain user doesn't like; see the discussions there about it. All was resolved on that front, and the aforementioned certain user was or is still pressing what he perceives as an issue. Flyer22 (talk) 22:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the article has been improved, the discussion has ground to a halt and the whole thing has blown over. Ritchie333 06:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Jeffrey Epstein

How is the information regarding someone being a registered sex offender not considered proper information? Epsecially if the person is paying off victims to not speak about the crime. The man is a registered sex offender and the information should stay as long as he is registered as one. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/sex-offender-jeffrey-epstein-settles-seven-more-la/nL7jm/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.60.53 (talk) 22:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read BLP. Epstein was all over the news with his conviction. It's how I even noticed his article. Adding this information to his article isn't a BLP violation. Lastly, this is old ground. If you'd like to discuss it, please do so, but bring it up on the article's talk page. Edit warring over it will only get you blocked. Rklawton (talk) 23:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

IP, someone having been convicted of a crime usually does not go in the first sentence of the lead; besides that, since it is contentious, it should be sourced in the lead, per Misplaced Pages:Lead#Citations and WP:BLP, if it is to be placed there (though still not in the first sentence). That is why I have reverted you here and here. That's also why I reverted Rklawton. Well, the first time I reverted you, IP, it looks like I thought you were committing WP:Vandalism. I don't much care about this lead matter, however, so I won't revert again or debate the matter at the article's talk page. Additionally, that article is not on my WP:Watchlist, and will never be on it.

Rklawton, reminding me of the possibility of being blocked for WP:Edit warring is not necessary, as I am far from a newbie. Personally, I would consider blocking me in the case of these two latest reverts most unjustified. I know that you are quick and/or harsh with the block-trigger, from, for example, what I saw in this case regarding the Veganism article. I am the one who queried Alison (via email) about that block, which I consider inappropriate because it was/still is an indefinite block. But, again, the block-trigger is nowhere close to being needed in this case regarding me. Flyer22 (talk) 23:29, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

The general idea is to discuss things on the talk page rather than just revert. You weren't doing that - and that's problematic. Now that you are using the talk page, I don't see a problem. We can discuss the matter there, work toward consensus, and so on. Rklawton (talk) 01:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

What I did was not problematic in the least. As for discussing the Jeffrey Epstein lead matter any further, I've made my stance clear above -- not interested. Flyer22 (talk) 01:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Three reverts without discussion is problematic. Rklawton (talk) 01:53, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

The first revert was made a month ago (though not far off in that month), and I clearly thought that I was reverting vandalism or a WP:BLP violation of some sort (though, if the latter, I used the wrong revert option or tool). The latter two I reverted because I consider them WP:BLP violations, which is supported by Misplaced Pages:Lead#Citations and WP:BLP and other people's views that are documented on that article's talk page. There, you stated that you disagree with those views (while also accusing one of the editors there of being a WP:Single purpose account that exists at Misplaced Pages to whitewash that aspect of the article). You are free to disagree with those views, obviously. But it is because of these views that are opposite yours that I don't consider my actions in this case problematic. If you would like to continue to debate whether or not my actions were problematic, then report them at a relevant noticeboard. Either way, you will be doing it somewhere other than on my talk page; this is because once I ask you to stop posting on it, at least regarding this matter, you should defer to the Misplaced Pages:User pages guideline and do so. Flyer22 (talk) 02:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Telugu language

ˈtɛlʊɡuː is not right. it means టెలుగూ. "తెలుగు" is the proper usage.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saughmraat (talk • contribs) 11:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Saughmraat. Though I saw and read your post earlier, I'm just now replying because I was sleepy at the time of your post (though not too sleepy to sporadically revert vandalism) and became a little busy on Misplaced Pages this morning. I reverted you here and here because, like I stated in that second revert, it is WP:Verifiability that Misplaced Pages adheres to instead of WP:Original research. Read those policies. You were adding your personal commentary as a reference on top of a WP:Reliable source. Read what Misplaced Pages considers a reliable source as well. If you find a WP:Reliable source to support your text, then it is acceptable to add it back in the way that you did before. In the meantime, I think that it is acceptable for you to add it as a note (as long as it clear that it is a note); see Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Layout#Notes and references. Because you are relatively new to editing Misplaced Pages, despite your Misplaced Pages account being registered since 2008, I will add a Welcome template to your talk page; this will point you to the different types of Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines. Flyer22 (talk) 17:45, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Freezing Vibrations reversion

I don't understand why you undid my edit to List_of_Freezing_episodes, and gave me a warning for vandalism on a previously unused talk page. I added episode 3's English name as soon as it was released when Ep. 2's subbed version streamed. I also added a summary for episode 2. yes i added a note at the end for FonFon Alseif to feel free to replace my temporary summary when he gets around to editing it in a few days. if the note at the end shouldn't be there, then quit being lazy and just quickly revising it, and actually edit the page and selectively delete the part that was unnecessary. When someone adds info to multiple areas, and you undo the whole thing just because one little part wasnt quite "up to snuff" which also deletes a lot of perfectly good information, could also be considered vandalism.

Now im stuck with the 1st thing on my talk page being a post about me being a vandal, and that makes me sad and is insulting.

WA-Zergslayer (talk) 05:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, WA-Zergslayer. When I reverted you, I should have instead reverted you with a WP:Assume good faith edit summary. I didn't revert "a lot of perfectly good information" and, per WP:Vandalism, my revert of your edit is not vandalism in any way. If you consider it such, you are obviously free to do so. The message I left on your talk page doesn't call you a vandal; among other things, it says that your edit "did not appear constructive." You are also free to remove that message. And while your edit wasn't completely unconstructive, your "SOME1 PLZ PUT A BETER SUMMARY WHEN YOU GET THE CHANCE!!" text needed to be reverted. If you feel the need to leave a note like that, then use the hidden note feature; see Help:Hidden text. Flyer22 (talk) 05:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I also apologize for making you feel the way you described. Flyer22 (talk) 05:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Please help...

Hi, Kindly approve these Portal support pages

• Portal:Carnatic Music/box-header
• Portal:Carnatic Music/Introduction Selvasivagurunathan m (talk) 19:03, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Reviewed/Approved, Selvasivagurunathan m. The first one still needs work, of course. Flyer22 (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

What a Great Help! Thank you very much for the support! - Regards Selvasivagurunathan m (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you willing to nominate Whitney Houston for GA?

Hi Flyer22, I saw you are one of the most recent editors to make substantive contributions to the Whitney Houston article. It seems like it could be an easy GA pass. Given it's one of the most popular articles on Misplaced Pages, I'm hoping to persuade you to nominate it. I'd be happy to review it there, but it wouldn't be right for me to nominate it given I haven't edited it at all. What do you think? Maybe we can even get it up to FA and have it featured on the main page. Best, Lemurbaby (talk) 02:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Lemurbaby. By "substantive contributions," are you referring to my edit count with regard to that article? I ask because, other than that edit count, I haven't made what I would call substantive edits to that article. I've made a few additions to it, but I have mostly tweaked the additions of others, reverted vandalism or other unconstructive edits there. That's why the Contributions link isn't as accurate as it initially seems. I'm not sure that the Whitney Houston article is up to WP:GA status, and, given how the GA review process can be hard work, stressing and/or long, I'm not sure that I want to be the main one fixing things up. I've been that person before, but it's usually been when I was ready to do that. The GA process isn't supposed to be for article cleanup, though cleanup does happen during it. I'd rather see what Bookkeeperoftheoccult and Tenebrae have to state about your suggestion first, which is why I've alerted them via WP:Echo by linking their usernames in this section. I will also email Bookkeeperoftheoccult, since he or she hasn't been actively editing Misplaced Pages these days. As for you not being able to nominate the article; no, I don't think that's appropriate or allowed for you to nominate it if you are going to be reviewing it. Otherwise, it would be fine for you to nominate it. The WP:FA process is the only process the requires the person to be a main editor or to have consultation with the main editor(s) of the article before going through with the nomination. The Whitney Houston article certainly wouldn't fair well skipping the GA process and going right to the FA process. Flyer22 (talk) 03:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not nearly active enough anymore to go through a nomination process and I haven't contributed significantly to Whitney Houston either, only minor additions and the occasional vandal revert. Glad to be thought of though, thank you! The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Bookkeeperoftheoccult. I figured that you were too inactive these days to be involved in a GA or FA process. So I was rather looking for your opinion on the state of the Houston article, and whether it should go through a GA process at this time. Flyer22 (talk) 06:47, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

If enough editors were working on it, I'm sure it could go through GAN and pass, I'm just not sure how many people who have actively contributed would want to be involved at this time. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:56, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

regarding editing of an article LIBIDO

hello sir, i edited the article LIBIDO with some new information two three days ago with my account named as ed beerman... sir, the purpose of my editing was primarily to come out of my anxiousness. Under the point PHYSICAL FACTORS AFFECTING LIBIDO, a very important factor was the time gap between two ejaculations..generally if a male is on a short term abstinence from any sexual act( that involves ejaculation), he feels a higher sexual desire..but wikipedia missed this important factor.. sir, my question is that can you please analyse and tell why was it not there in that article...i have really been anxious..thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed beerman (talk • contribs) 10:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Ed beerman. I'm female. And matters were already explained to you here at Jamesx12345's talk page. As for why what you wanted in the Libido article was not already in the article: The vast majority of Misplaced Pages articles are never finished; there is always something more to add to them and/or something more to add about that subject (which may result in one or more creations of a WP:Spinout article). What you added should also be removed if it is based only on a primary source; I already directed you to Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) (WP:MEDRS). That is the guideline you are supposed to follow with regard to sourcing health information at Misplaced Pages. Read it and see, among other things, what is meant by "primary source" and read WP:Primary source as well, if you don't already know what is meant by that term.

Also know that if you edit the way that you did before, with all that confrontation, WP:Edit warring and WP:I didn't hear that behavior, you will be blocked again. You need to take more time and listen to what experienced editors at this site are telling you with regard to editing Misplaced Pages. Otherwise, you will not last long here as an editor (that is, if you plan to continue editing here). Flyer22 (talk) 11:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

yes ma'm, i have come to know about all you said :) but ma'm my question here is different.. All i request you is to please either check,analyse or tell me with your experience that what can be the reasons that the Point i mad was not mentioned in the physical facotors affecting libido.. Or please direct me to some administrator who is expert of these mdical and health pages..the only reason i am disturbing you is that i am really anxious about this and wanna do my further research being a medical student..hope you spare some time to analyse..many thanks ..ed beerman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed beerman (talk • contribs) 15:11, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Something mentioned in cunnilingus discussion

"however, stronger odors (whether a person likes them or not) emanate from the vulva than they do from the male genitals; most often (and this is going by WP:Reliable sources) male genitals have no noticeable odor."

Which sources are you talking about here please? Or is there another wikipedia page because I cannot find any reference in the cunnilingus page itself:

"Women may consider personal hygiene before practicing oral sex important, as poor hygiene can lead to bad odors, accumulation of sweat and micro-residue (such as lint, urine or menstrual blood), which the giving partner may find unpleasant. Some women remove or trim pubic hair, which may enhance their oral sex experience."

... nor on vagina, or vulvovaginal health. I have found these references on this matter https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15355367 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21964208 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22383853 but I would be interested to read the other sources you speak of above. This is not on topic to that discussion so I asked here instead. Thank you in advance. 212.183.128.27 (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

For others reading this section of my talk page, the IP is referring to this discussion (in this case, my 17:37, 14 October 2013 (UTC) post). Hello, IP. Who are you with regard to Misplaced Pages editing? I suspect that you are an editor I've talked with before. And, yes, your question is "on topic to that discussion," so I'm not sure why you decided to post about this on my talk page. Perhaps you felt that you'd be butting in? If so, there is no "butting in" on Misplaced Pages article talk pages. If you have sources that you feel can help that article, you should address them on that article's talk page. As for your question, I obviously was not referring to sources in that article; that's clear with regard to what I was responding to. The wording "going by WP:Reliable sources" in this case means sources that mention or discuss that aspect, sources that anyone can locate on their own. In this case, I don't know the specific names of those sources. So I'd need to relocate them; I was making the statement based on my experience of having read such sources.

Also, remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. I signed your username for you above. Flyer22 (talk) 14:32, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

So you are saying that you have read such sources somewhere on wikipedia, but can't remember where? Do you remember part of the title, or if it was on PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/)? If you do happen to recall any more in time please leave details. I guess I will just check back here every once in a while in case you have remembered. I can look on more wikipedia pages too. It is for something I am writing, but maybe there can be benefit for wikipedia too if I can add information to the relevant articles.212.183.128.27 (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)v — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.22 (talk)

No, I have not read such sources on Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is not the place I go to for sexuality information. I have read such sources at some point (or points) during my years studying sex topics. Again, I don't remember the specific titles. I may look into the matter, however (such as on Google Books and elsewhere); for example, the passage from the Cunnilingus article you cited is supposed to be sourced (reliably sourced). And again, remember to sign your username; a bot signed your second reply above. Flyer22 (talk) 15:03, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Issues template

Hello there I came here after noticing your edits at Football Manager 2014. You might know that earlier was written in an.advertisement manner. I cleaned the article up by reorganizing it and rewriting the promotional text to a neutral point of view. Therefore I think the issues template in the template should be removed as the issues mentioned in the article have been solved. Can you please tell me whether there is a process for getting it removed or if a user can remove it himself if the issues have been solved? Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't remember making this edit/revert to that article, and thought you were referring to a real football matter. I make a lot of reverts a day. Yes, that article looks better and it appears fine to remove the advertisement tag. Flyer22 (talk) 18:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Should I remove it myself or is there a process involved in removing it? Do I need to contact an administrator to review the article and remove the template? KahnJohn27 (talk) 07:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

There is no process involved in removing that tag, other than addressing the reason(s) for the tag having been placed there, fixing the perceived problems, and/or discussing the matter with one or more editors; you've done that. You can remove the tag. Flyer22 (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for helping. Your help was really valuable. KahnJohn27 (talk) 16:36, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Flyer22 (talk) 16:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Kootenai War

Thanks for catching my omission of the word "not." I believe when it's referred to as a "peaceful war," that they may have formally declared war but not actually engaged in combat. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

You're welcome, Uyvsdi. But as can be seen from that article's edit history, this IP caught the mistake and I simply reverted myself after reading that aspect of the source. Also made sure to revert my "did not appear constructive" message to the IP. Flyer22 (talk) 02:02, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me

hello excuse me you said my edits are not constructice?!? i noticed you removed my edit from the page why? Monica — Preceding unsigned comment added by I Will Never Say Never! (talk • contribs) 11:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I Will Never Say Never!. For why this edit, though not WP:Vandalism, was not constructive, see WP:TONE and especially WP:Neutral and WP:Verifiability.

And remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. A bot signed your username for you above. Flyer22 (talk) 11:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

The grammatical errors were also a factor in my reverting you. Flyer22 (talk) 12:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Can you fix it? Monica I Will Never Say Never! (talk) 01:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I've visited Monica's talkpage and will try and help her out. This is her first edit-attempt. Take it easy, see you around. — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 02:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, IP. Flyer22 (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

So, she never logged back in, from what I can tell. No more contributions under that username so far, and no response to my WP:WALLOFTEXT on her talkpage (which might be an *alternative* explanation for why she did not reply to my offer of assistance... sigh... must learn control... errrrggghhh... so hard to resist wall-of-text verbosity..........). Anyhoo, do you know if we can track her down, so I -- or maybe somebody less verbose from WP:TEAHOUSE or WP:RETENTION or whatever who is willing to adopt her temporarily -- can ping her and she if she'd like the ten-minute-tutorial-on-how-to-source-justin-bieber-sentences? Thanks. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Duchamp (clothing)

Hi There. Could I ask why you removed text from my company page http://en.wikipedia.org/Duchamp_(clothing) ? This is a true reflection of the brand. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.148.129 (talk) 13:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, IP. I reverted you here and again here because, like I stated, in the WP:Edit summary for that second revert, your edits to that article do not comply with WP:TONE, WP:Neutral and WP:Verifiability. Flyer22 (talk) 16:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

This is a different category of beginning user... Monica above was here for her Very First Edit Ever... but these Duchamp folks have had a corporate page since 2007 (created by a legitimate wikipedian for legitimate notability reasons). The original wikipedian went on to other things, and the corporate folks have been too busy running their business to read wikipedia's five *bazillion* policy pages.  :-)   I think this example here, on your talkpage, is the first time they've ever figured out how to use a talkpage... or maybe that there even were talkpages... in the last six years, some seemingly-WP:COI anon edits have been made every few months, which were then quickly reverted by some savvy wikipedian... without any talkpage messages whatsoever! Sigh. Anyways, it looks like this long-running series of WP:BITE is also finally getting handled elsewhere... one of the editors who helped them fix the page up by removing WP:PEACOCK back in 2010 has turned up again, and is helping get the page into shape so as to survive the AfD process.

   So, first of all, thanks for reaching out to these folks, you seem to be the exception to the WP:NINJA reverts that came before you. Second of all, when you run across folks that seem to be potentially-constructive-yet-unfortunately-less-than-clueful-about-wikipolitics, might I suggest you send them over to WP:RETENTION or maybe to WP:TEAHOUSE? Or you can just tell them to ping my talkpage, if they want somebody to walk them through the basics quickly. Some folks can grok WP:V and WP:N the first time around, but many of them are *already* wikipedians... and getting over those first big brain-exploding hurdles sometimes requires a helpful boost from somebody who already knows the policies. Anyhoo, as always, keep up the good work, may your wikistress ever be monotonically decreasing, and thanks for improving wikipedia. See you around. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Noting here for the archive this (now archived) report about the Duchamp (clothing) article at WP:Requests for page protection. I've been meaning to link that here. IP, I see that you attempted to help, as seen here, here and at Talk:Duchamp (clothing). You should definitely make sure not to provide diff-links in a Misplaced Pages article in the future; I didn't think that you were using them as actual sources, but rather as diff-links (which you explained on Racconish's talk page). I appreciate you taking this matter on, and the link to WP:NINJA. I'd seen that page before, but I'm not sure I ever saw that ninja image and its caption; the caption "The edit ninja viewing his watchlist. Don't expect him to say anything." is hilarious. Yep, a lot of us Misplaced Pages editors (registered and non-registered), including me, have reverted and not stated a thing (I still do that at times, but, when I do, it is almost always for vandals or others who have made unconstructive edits; sometimes there is no need to explain, and other times we don't always want to debate a revert). Flyer22 (talk) 16:49, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello flyer (you can call me 74 ... don't worry, I own this class-A block, nobody else edits from here :-)     Yeah, I was using the diffs as 'sources' in case Racconish wanted to replace them inline with better ones in wholesale-immediate fashion, but they prefer to organically build the article, which is fine by me -- they're doing a bang-up solid job, the page has four keeps and no deletes over at AfD. 'My' stuff that was in fact mostly just unsourced stuff pulled from prolly-WP:COI-but-not-necessarily-non-factual edit-history of the article was moved over to the talkpage, and digging up sources was pretty easy for about half of it.

   My help has been of limited use, though, because getting in contact with the anons has proved very difficult -- specifically, the ones that seem to have (even if we WP:AGF ... that can only stretch so far) WP:COI difficulties, and probably RTFM difficulties. You were the first person since 2008 to even template-spam them, and it was probably the first time they had ever figured out there was a talkpage. That first contact is crucial, for folks that are busy running their business (duchamp sells a duffel bag for USD$900 ... but their main business is high-fashion dress clothes which probably are priced like two-story houses), as opposed to diligently reading the five bazillion WP:PG stuff. Try and give them a hard shove to WP:TEAHOUSE or WP:RETENTION or some such place, where they can immediately get the 60-second intro on why their edits have always been ninja-reverted so far. Five years of reverts, in fact.

   As for obvious vandalism, silent but deadly is the correct approach... but when is is not gibberish or destructive, just somebody that seems to have no clue about policies, and thinks wikipedia is their personal blog, or their corporate blog, for the sake of WP:RETENTION, methinks best to try and get them to somebody who can walk them through the minefield. If you want, you can always just send them to my talkpage, although I might not be a quick on the draw as the Tea-House, sometimes the direct touch helps. Thanks for improving wikipedia, see you around. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 21:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: "Lust" murder

I understand your concerns, but if you read sources on serial killers you'll see that "lust", despite being the usual nomenclature, is a misleading term. Rape is not motivated by (normal) lust, and if you read the Causes of sexual assault article that I linked to, specifically the Groth typology you'll see that the so-called "lust" murders are the actions of the type of rapist described by Groth as the "Sadistic rapist", whereas the serial killers who are not "lust" murderers are described as "Power rapists". In rewording the article, I was attempting to draw a distinction between the two, and to avoid perpetuating the harmful myth that rape is the inevitable product of normal sexual desire. I admit my wording is a bit clumsy, and including information on the Groth typology in the article itself would probably help. Asarelah (talk) 19:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Asarelah, you mean the Causes of sexual violence article. I'm familiar with scholarly views on the topic of serial killers, and am interested in the topic; that's the reason I have edited the Serial killer article and watched over it for as long as I have (though I have never been motivated to make it into a WP:Good article or to get it in at least significantly better shape than it is currently in, rather only parts of it). My problem with your edit is what I stated on your talk page: "If the source states 'lust,' that's what we should use." That's why I added "lust" back in place of your "sexual perversion" wording. Sources sometimes differ on matters regarding the serial killer topic, as well as rape, similar to how sources differ on other matters as well. When reliable sources give different aspects, we should report those aspects (the ones that deserve mention) with WP:Due weight, per WP:Verifiability. Flyer22 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Lesbian article

Please watch those 3RRs. Take it to dispute resolution. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know, Jim1138. And as you can see, I beat you to pointing out that matter. Thanks for the note here and at that editor's talk page. That editor is not new to Misplaced Pages, of that I am certain (especially having caught so many people as problematic returning Misplaced Pages editors), but I can worry about that later. Seeing the WP:Edit war currently going on at Titanic (1997 film), another article that I watch, I didn't think I'd have to be involved in an edit war at this time because I stayed out of that one. But things obviously don't always go as we expect. Flyer22 (talk) 07:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

"How to lose your virginity"

Hi. I don't suppose you could take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Articles for creation/How to Lose Your Virginity (film)? It's queued up in the list of AFC submissions, and I honestly can't tell if it's notable or not. Since I believe this is your subject area of expertise, I thought you might be able to give a better opinion on it. Ritchie333 16:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Having Googled it (regular Google and Google Books; didn't bother with Google Scholar yet), it doesn't appear to have gotten a lot of coverage in WP:Reliable third-party sources, but perhaps there is enough coverage to justify there being a Misplaced Pages article about it. Despite sometimes saying how familiar I am with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, I'm not familiar with the Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) guideline. We should both read it to get a better feel for what are acceptable book articles. It might be worth querying about this book matter at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Books; that project is sufficiently active. Judging by this interview with the author of the book in question, the book appears to have come out in 2010. It may get coverage in scholarly sources as the years go on. Either way, the possible Misplaced Pages article on it needs a bit of tweaking; I'm speaking grammar-wise. But trading out poor or poorer sources for better sources, or adding better sources, are also options. Flyer22 (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Flyer. I don't suppose you'd like to take the driving seat in the review and put that all down in words for Beboplouie (talk · contribs) who created it, could you? Articles for Creation needs a bit of care and attention from other editors, as we're getting swamped with a backlog of over 1,000 reviews. It's a bit of a thankless task, but one I find rewarding as you're helping out new users. Ritchie333 17:07, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops, it's not a book...obviously; sorry about that. I got confused after Googling the matter. But the same sentiment is behind my reply. Either you didn't notice my mistake or you were being too nice by not mentioning it. Yes, I'll add the review there, replacing "book" with "documentary," etc. Flyer22 (talk) 17:13, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

<chuckle> Um. Uh. Ritchie333, looking at your section-title, then when you say this is Flyer22's area of expertise... are you referring to movies, or, uh ... perhaps I should just shut it? (Ducks for cover.) (Exits stage right.) (Warning: the surgeon general has determined that the preceding comment contains no humorous content whatsoever, and should be reverted on sight, and the person who posted the comment needs to be trout'd.) As you were, carry on, nothing to see here. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: The project was turned into an article by a different editor. I made a two tweaks to the article today, and pointed the author of the article to this discussion on my talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Titanic (again)

Hi Flyer22 - just to say thank you for your tactful prompt, and I guess the result is that between the two of us we've improved what was there. (The sentence "Rose endures arduous routes to free Jack." really did not cheer my editor's heart!) Alfietucker (talk) 21:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Alfietucker. I know that my "endures arduous routes" text, which you removed, was not well-loved. I wouldn't mind Tenebrae teaching me what was wrong with it. I rather liked the alternative that we came up with together, as seen here, here and here. But, as you know by now, Ring Cinema removed it. Going through the Titanic plot summary back-and-forths and/or edit wars that we are currently going through gives me a case of déjà vu. All this fuss over the plot section is largely silly, especially when you think about significantly more important matters to tend to on Misplaced Pages (or in the world in general). But at least Ring Cinema and I are not at each other's throats this time (like we were years ago). I realize that I'm largely different than I was back then, so that factors into this and helps. And we have Doniago's helpful eye for prose as well. Flyer22 (talk) 22:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I honestly didn't know that sentence was written by you, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. But glad you've taken it in good spirit. Part of me is sorry Ring Cinema has removed the "obstacles" clause, but I can see why he's done so and his mentioning the rising water neatly implies/addresses the issue. Alfietucker (talk) 22:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Wait, I'm being helpful? :p DonIago (talk) 22:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Yep, Alfietucker, written by me when trying to convey, in as few words as possible, the difficulties that Rose went through before finally freeing Jack; see here and here. It's also acknowledged in this section on that article's talk page. I often have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, sometimes even when I'm not sure why I'm wrong. Other times, I'm so certain that I'm right that debate is a waste of time in my eyes. As for Ring Cinema's text that replaced ours, it's a bit awkward to me. But Ring Cinema or someone else will take care of that.

And, yes, Doniago, you're being helpful. You know that. There have been minor disagreements with a few of your cuts or some of your rewording, but that doesn't take away from the fact that you've been helpful, such as here. So thanks. Flyer22 (talk) 22:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I find this notion that I'm being helpful deeply disturbing. :p I have to say though,I think I agree with Ring about "arduous routes". It's a dramatic part of the film sure, but not really essential to the plot. That said as long as we're being judicious about the word count I'm not inclined to make another pass at it barring any flare-ups. DonIago (talk) 12:39, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

My thing about "arduous routes" or (what Alfietucker came up with after my aforementioned/above linked prompt) "braving several obstacles" is that, like I stated in that prompt, the plot section was unnecessarily omitting the difficulties that Jack and Rose went through when the ship was sinking (other than having been chased by Cal, and what they faced when the ship rose into the air and afterward). There is no need to present their ordeal as simple or mostly simple just for the sake of brevity. The plot section loses nothing by such additions, as long as the plot section's length is not out of control, but it does gain something (context) by such additions. Not to mention that, like I stated on the talk page, editors will add things to the plot section that they feel are missing...but will often do so in too many words. Best to address it in few words before they get to it. And with what appears to be Ring Cinema's permission (below), I readded Alfietucker's "braving several obstacles" text, while also addressing the "mother has boarded a lifeboat" aspect and Ring Cinema's wording, as seen in this edit. Flyer22 (talk) 13:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Like I said, I'm not currently inclined to take another pass at it myself as long as it's staying under 700 words. If it isn't (and I notice) I might try to shorten it again, but I'll keep your thoughts in mind if and when that happens. DonIago (talk) 13:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Though, as you know, I find the strict enforcement of WP:FILMPLOT unnecessary (especially for a film as long as Cameron's Titanic, while also understanding that you and Tenebrae feel that its length is not a complex factor in concisely relaying the plot), I appreciate you taking my feelings into consideration with regard to plot details. Flyer22 (talk) 13:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

If you find my try too far gone, please change it. I was taking a stab at it, thinking there might be another way to organize it. No problem, Flyer, you are the expert on Titanic in my mind. (But "arduous routes"? xD) --Ring Cinema (talk) 23:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Ring Cinema. Thanks. (And, hey, don't laugh at me, LOL. Or perhaps you're simply laughing with me.) Flyer22 (talk) 23:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

L.H.O.O.Q.

It says that you changed my edit of LHOOQ because it didn't add anything productive. My edit to the page was a reversion of an inaccurate and possibly vandalizing edit. The edit before mine had to do with what the letters "LHOOQ" sound like when read out in French. All sources say it is supposed to read "Elle a chaud au cul", which translates to "She has a hot ass". That is the factual, literal translation of how it was intended to be interpreted, as backed by all of the sources of the page. The edit changed it to "elle est jolie" which sounds nothing like "èl ache o o qu" and does not agree with any of the sources given on the page. I understand a bot may have detected bad words or something, but I was reverting that edit to the previous, accurate information. 65.29.239.115 (talk) 02:06, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, IP. This is the revert; your edit looked like vandalism to me, and I didn't think to check any of the sources. I see that type of vandalism often on Misplaced Pages. It would have helped if you'd provided a WP:Edit summary. I apologize for my mistake with regard to your edit. As the diff-link shows, you added "Her ass is hot" instead of "She has a hot ass," though. The latter is more accurate, since "Her ass is hot" could easily be interpreted as "She is hot" (which is what I reverted to). What part of the sources supports "She is really horny"? Flyer22 (talk) 02:43, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

We good?

Just wanted to make sure you saw this and knew nothing you wrote bothered me. --NeilN 15:45, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Neil, I'd already seen that reply. And, yes, we good. I did think that I may be distracting a bit from your report when I typed that up, though (that it could have the opposite effect of what you intended); if I contributed to the decline of a block on that editor, I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing (but I lean more toward it being a bad thing). Flyer22 (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

oh howz darez you revert sumbudddy!!11!!

Just wanted to drop in and say thanks... I was making some edits to quantitative easing, and checked the history to see what had happened recently. What to my wondering eyes should appear, but Flyer22 and the stiki-wiki reindeer!  :-) Appreciate it. Also, note that the anon you reverted was definitely intending to delete the entire history-subsection of the article -- their edit-comment was "section blank". It seems unlikely that was a beginning-editor mistake, since it is the only edit from that IP, knew to use an edit-comment, and surgically excised just that one exact section, according to the contribs button. Do you have checkuser, to see if there are other IPs or usernames the same entity may be editing from? Thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 01:29, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you mean this revert. You're welcome. Thanks for the entertaining heading and comment you have left on my talk page. No, I'm not a WP:CheckUser; either way, the WP:CheckUser tools are not supposed to be used without sufficient reason. Flyer22 (talk) 01:36, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, the IP's WP:Edit summary "section blanking" was not added by the IP; it is one of the special tags that alert editors to vandalism or other unconstructive edits. Flyer22 (talk) 01:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Heh heh. Well, I've never seen it before today, but I just saw my second one in many years, and immediately came over here to report that there *was* something weird going on, because the exact same edit-comment had appeared from a completely different IP which did not even traceroute to the same *country* as last time... what kind of horrid conspiracy is this?  :-) Agents of SPECTRE, this is Number One; we shall go forth and blank whole sections of wikipedia, leaving the same banally inscrutable, yet unmistakably evil calling-card, until the phrase Section Blanking is feared throughout the world! Whew; thanks for clearing that up. Prolly the wording should be revised to say something like "section blanking -- this comment added by SectionWatcherBot" or the equivalent, else editors like moi who've never heard of such a thing will start to get a wee bit paranoid. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 05:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Byrraju Ramalinga Raju

As referred to by you, It is not my personal opinion that the term disgraced to be used in the initial reference to Byrraju Ramalinga Raju. Numerous articles and newspapers including Press Trust of India, Associated Press referred to Byrraju Ramalinga Raju as disgraced. Please do not see this as name calling but rather a truth of matter. As Dwpaul said, a simple search would reveal several thousand sources. Neil2000 (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

It is your personal opinion when it is unreferenced material added by you in the way that you added it. Furthermore, despite however dictionaries, encyclopedias or different cultures define disgraced, for any author who uses that term to describe him, it is their personal opinion because not everyone would describe him that way. The way you added it violates WP:IMPARTIAL, and I don't consider the WP:BURDEN to have been on me to add sources to support that text. It would be best if you regulated your objection on this matter to the discussion about it at the WP:BLP noticeboard, the article talk page or your talk page instead of mine. I'm not too focused on this matter, and there is not a lot more that I will be stating about it. Flyer22 (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm shocked to learn that a self-admitted accounting fraudster who ripped off millions of investors and employees alike would be called anything other than a disgraced. More so by your assertion that not everyone agrees to that characterization. No wonder that considering anyone with an ideological axe to grind and a smattering of writing ability can spin falsehoods on Misplaced Pages without challenge from the site's editors, clearly it should not be referenced as a valid source for factual information.Neil2000 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I care not how shocked you are or what you think about me or Misplaced Pages. I told you, "It would be best if you regulated your objection on this matter to the discussion about it at the WP:BLP noticeboard, the article talk page or your talk page instead of mine. I'm not too focused on this matter, and there is not a lot more that I will be stating about it." That does not mean that it is then best for you to comment on my talk page about this topic again. Keep your objections elsewhere; I don't want to read them, and I was very close to reverting this latest comment of yours. Flyer22 (talk) 18:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and "not everyone would describe him that way" does not automatically translate to "not everyone agrees to that characterization." Flyer22 (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

See WP:PEACOCK. While Misplaced Pages does not maintain a banned word list, it clearly has a policy of avoiding words that would by their implication either tend to promote or condemn "the subject of an article, while neither imparting nor plainly summarizing verifiable information." While the policy expressed at the link above talks about promotion, the same philosophy applies in the use of words that denigrate a subject but do not impart specific information about them or their actions. The word disgraced has more to do with how an individual is viewed by society and very little do with facts or history. As I mentioned at WP:BLPN (but you conveniently left out of your quote of my comments), the article stands very well without the use of "colorful" words such as disgraced. Any reasonable person can infer that the subject of the article misbehaved in a reprehensible fashion; if they consider them therefore disgraced, then that is their judgment; we do not need to force it on them. Also, as I suggested, the interpretation of that word may be different in different societies -- hence another reason to avoid it. Dwpaul (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Also see WP:LABEL, actually found in the same guideline article as WP:PEACOCK and possibly even more relevant to the way in which you propose to use disgraced to "color" the reader's judgment of the subject without imparting useful information Dwpaul (talk) 00:36, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

congratulations you are the winner of three randomized questions

Hello flyer, may I present to you this triad of queries.

1. I would like to argue about false-positives with you, and whether 98% is sufficient. Do you have time for that discussion? Prolly guaranteed to be a bit rambling, unfortunately or fortunately.  :-)
2. Assertion, it is simply flat-out misuse of colloquial english, to speak of a "tabloid" or equivalently of "tabloid journal" which always is a negative connotation, and claim this is the same as the neutral "tabloid-papersize" or even "tabloid-sized journal". There is such as thing (always negative) as the phenomenon of tabloid journalism, fka yellow journalism... and it is the most typical usage-pattern nowadays, so unless one specifically says "size" then it is assumed to be the negative connotation. Note that saying "tabloid-format" or even "tabloid-layout" is insufficient, because even though those might unambiguously mean papersize to somebody familiar with the journalism business, or with papersize-standards-jargon I suppose, it is easily misinterpreted to mean tabloid-aka-bad-slash-sensationalist-journalism. By contrast, saying that publication $foo is printed on tabloid-papersize sheets, which are usually bi-folded and rolled before securing with a rubber-band, is not subject to any possible misinterpretations, and thus completely neutral (and anything else is prolly *not* completely neutral and therefore at least partially POV).

Danke 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

p.s. ((later update)) There is in fact a long tradition, which stretches back before recorded edit-history even, of this sort of non-destructive-humorous-vandalism collection. It was sorta-ended by sorta-consensus circa 2007, due to worries that the practice sorta-encouraged vandalism. May I present, the most inspired policy shortcut of all time:       WP:-)       One highlight, from a discussion about whether one particular not-very-appetizing-looking image-file of an orange-colored fruit may, or may not, have been posted in violation of WP:COI by competitors..... "I am not about to accuse you of being the person who posted the offending picture or of being involved in the apple industry, but my antenna is up." Alrighty-then. Carry on. — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 02:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Interesting comments, and a lot to reply to. I don't have any significant thoughts on those matters at this point, and maybe I won't in the future. I also, a few minutes ago, just noticed your latest reply in the #Duchamp (clothing) section; I originally missed that due to the post by DendroNaja immediately before this section; DendroNaja posted twice in that section, seen here and here, and that caused me to miss your post because I didn't see you in the "Difference between revisions" aspect that happens when clicking on a diff-link. Flyer22 (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

No problemo. I'll stick on some collapse-top collapse-bottom tags, so the ndhvb stuff does not take up too much screen real-estate. Thanks for reading, and see you around. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 00:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: The Angelina Jolie section that I reference in this section was deleted per WP:BLP concerns. Flyer22 (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

your disagreements about the third gender topics

Hi, you have summarily undone the changes that I have made in good faith, in the third gender article. This is against the "rights to undo" that you have been asigned. I am willing to discuss the changes that I have made and provide citations and delete where there is a controversy/ lack of citation.(Masculinity (talk) 08:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC))

You know by now why I have reverted you; it is clear from the complaints from others on your talk page about your edits to gender and/or sexuality articles why I have reverted you. It is clear from the mess you created at the Human male sexuality article, which is commented on from this point down, why I have reverted you. Your edits to gender and/or sexuality topics are almost always unsourced and/or WP:Original research, heavily biased or misleading. Yes, even when sourced, they are usually WP:Synthesis. You should be topic-banned from editing such articles, which I may propose in the future. No, it is not "against the 'rights to undo'" to have reverted you. Flyer22 (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Mariah Carey D.O.B.

http://www.google.co.uk/#q=when+was+mariah+carey+born it says 1970. D to the ina, R to the ae☻ 15:16, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Miss. Dina Rae, I don't know how you think that Google search is more WP:Reliable than the sources you removed and I reverted you on. Either way, WP:Consensus is for keeping the version I reverted to; see this talk page discussion for what I mean. I am not interested in debating this matter. Take it to the article talk page if you want to debate it. Flyer22 (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Edits to A30 road.

Hi - why did you revert my edit to 'A30 road', calling it unconstructive, which was the addition of the name of the exit at the junction with the A395 called 'Kennards House'? This is the proper name of the exit and is named as such on the signposts. I live locally and use this exit regularly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.63.160 (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

You mean this edit. I see that I'm not the first one to revert you on that, nor the first one you've come to about this matter. If I was wrong to revert you, my mistake; feel free to add it back in that case. Flyer22 (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Opinions in Medical Articles

Hmm...based on lengthy discussions on the talk page for circumcision, I was told that we "do not use any Commentary articles as sources for biomedical information" in response to my suggestion that we use one. So which is the case? --(Moshe) מֹשֶׁה‎ 02:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Because what you removed wasn't a "Commentary" article. Moshe please if you're going to be making biomedical edits you have to understand and read the sourcing. I will explain this further at Talk page. Zad68 12:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Great Bridge

Response to reverting The battle of great bridge By thel33teditor's team.

Hey mister why did u revert my post on the battle of great bridge i found it to just long drawn and so i just decided to make it shorter... cause the truth is everyone died... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thel33teditor (talk • contribs) 22:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a Mr., and this edit by you is clearly destructive (whether you meant well or not).

And remember to sign your username at the end of the comments you make on Misplaced Pages talk pages. All you have to do to sign your username is simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. A bot signed your username for you above. Flyer22 (talk) 22:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)