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==RfC: Should publicly-available, but obscure, information be included if it compromises the subject's family's privacy?== ==RfC: Should publicly-available, but obscure, information be included if it compromises the subject's family's privacy?==
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When this page was created, one sentence in it read "Bairamian met Sylvia Vertanessian, the daughter of survivors of the 1922 ], Haroutioun and Arsenouhie Vertanessian." It was later changed to "Bairamian met his future wife, Sylvia, the daughter of survivors of the 1922 ]." The reason given for this change was that making Sylvia's maiden name so easy to find could compromise the family's privacy and security. However, the information exists in a public, though obscure (and not in English), source. Should this be included or excluded? ] (]) 14:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC) When this page was created, one sentence in it read "Bairamian met Sylvia Vertanessian, the daughter of survivors of the 1922 ], Haroutioun and Arsenouhie Vertanessian." It was later changed to "Bairamian met his future wife, Sylvia, the daughter of survivors of the 1922 ]." The reason given for this change was that making Sylvia's maiden name so easy to find could compromise the family's privacy and security. However, the information exists in a public, though obscure (and not in English), source. Should this be included or excluded? ] (]) 14:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
::I am not sure that I understand the privacy and security issue here. If Sylvia is still alive she will likely be 100 years old or so, and not have been using the maiden name for 70 years. Anyone wanting to find the family would be more likely to look them up in the Hollywood, California phone book than to research their genealogy. How would knowing the wife's maiden was help anyone find them and disturb them today? Are members of the Vertanessian family being persecuted in some way and need to remain obscure? —] (]) 12:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC) ::I am not sure that I understand the privacy and security issue here. If Sylvia is still alive she will likely be 100 years old or so, and not have been using the maiden name for 70 years. Anyone wanting to find the family would be more likely to look them up in the Hollywood, California phone book than to research their genealogy. How would knowing the wife's maiden was help anyone find them and disturb them today? Are members of the Vertanessian family being persecuted in some way and need to remain obscure? —] (]) 12:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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RfC: Should publicly-available, but obscure, information be included if it compromises the subject's family's privacy?

When this page was created, one sentence in it read "Bairamian met Sylvia Vertanessian, the daughter of survivors of the 1922 Burning of Smyrna, Haroutioun and Arsenouhie Vertanessian." It was later changed to "Bairamian met his future wife, Sylvia, the daughter of survivors of the 1922 Burning of Smyrna." The reason given for this change was that making Sylvia's maiden name so easy to find could compromise the family's privacy and security. However, the information exists in a public, though obscure (and not in English), source. Should this be included or excluded? Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure that I understand the privacy and security issue here. If Sylvia is still alive she will likely be 100 years old or so, and not have been using the maiden name for 70 years. Anyone wanting to find the family would be more likely to look them up in the Hollywood, California phone book than to research their genealogy. How would knowing the wife's maiden was help anyone find them and disturb them today? Are members of the Vertanessian family being persecuted in some way and need to remain obscure? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose inclusion. I usually prefer to err on the side of privacy on these matters. WP:BLP is fairly explicit that we are to avoid including information that could lead to further victimization. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I think I'm with Anne on this one. Is there any indication that this information could lead to any harm? The subject isn't alive, his spouse probably isn't—are we sure there are even Vertanessians around anymore? There may not be, especially if Sylvia didn't have brothers. Maiden names tend not to be the sort of information we redact for privacy. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
  • That said, it's hardly vital information about the actual article subject. If there were some reasonable expectation of harm from our including it, we shouldn't. --BDD (talk) 16:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
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