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January 2012

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March 2012

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Tec de Monterrey, ITESM

Hey, you recently added a small paragraph on a homemade bomb incident in Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education. I wanted to know if you have any reliable sources to proof this. Remember that Misplaced Pages is not about truth (WP:TRUTH), but rather about reliable sources. Thank you! ComputerJA (talk) 20:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll be moving the info to the other article in the State of Mexico. I'm not sure if there is one for it. I'll verify. Thanks! ComputerJA (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012

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Ok. I reverted your edit because it broke the tags, but it seems fine now. Destynova (talk) 22:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Otobreda 76 mm‎

• Dude, I know you meant well but Ireland is already listed under the Europe section (Otobreda 76 mm#Europe) of the article page so please don't add it into the Asia section, which you did without first checking. No puns intended but... cheers~! --Dave 07:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• Ahhh crap. I'm sorry. I have this mental disorder, Aspergers, and part of it is I go so fast I don't think. Sorry. And Cheers? ProudIrishAspie (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• I know... and that's why you have to slow down sometimes. Or alternatively, you may come to our support group for help at User talk:ThatPeskyCommoner, alright~? Cheers again~! --Dave 16:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thz for the assist. Eyyyyy! ProudIrishAspie (talk) 20:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• Dude, please try to keep our conversation in one place, and that's my only gripe about you. You have potential, kid. --Dave 11:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Niihau Incident, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Misplaced Pages:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. If you want to make an extraordinary claim you will need to cite good sources. The extraordinary claim is that US aircraft carrier aircraft helped defend during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Binksternet (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, please stop adding your opinion to articles (about how the CSA was legitimate right in the first sentence? You don't think that's a nuanced argument that needs more than one word to explain?) or insulting people in edit summaries. --Golbez (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Right, well, you have fun spouting that on my talk page, but if I see you vandalize or insult again there may be consequences. --Golbez (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

1 RR notice

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No Gun Ri

You have twice added a category for which there is no proof in the article nor was any charges brought. Please stop doing this without discussion. Further addition without legal proof and discussion will be treated as vandalism. Student7 (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with the page No Gun Ri on Misplaced Pages. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.12:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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2011 Chinook shootdown in Afghanistan ‎

I removed the category you added. Please ensure that any categories you add are verifiable in future. --John (talk) 05:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Category:School bus bombings

Category:School bus bombings, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

2011 Slave Lake wildfire

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles. The Category:Murder in 2011 does not apply to the above article. Hwy43 (talk) 02:17, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012

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Proposed deletion of June 2012 Kaduna church bombings

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Nomination of June 2012 Kaduna church bombings for deletion

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Franciscan University murders

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Katyn Massacre

Hello. You keep adding the category Category:Mass murder in 1940 to Katyn Massacre. Please don't do that - the article has its own dedicated category, Category:Katyn massacre, which is already included into the Mass murder in 1940 one. Regards, illythr (talk) 20:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Troubles restrictions

The article 1993 Bishopsgate bombing, along with other articles relating to The Troubles, is currently subject to active arbitration remedies, as laid out during a previous Arbitration Enforcement case that closed in October 2007, and was amended by community consensus in October 2008. The current restrictions are: All editors on Troubles-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as outside opinions. All articles related to The Troubles, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland falls under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per day). When in doubt, assume it is related. Clear vandalism, or edits by anonymous IP editors, may be reverted without penalty Editors who violate this 1RR restriction may be blocked without warning by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense. If you are a new editor, or an editor unfamiliar with the situation, please follow the guidelines laid out in the above link. If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it on this talk page first. Thank you.

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Category

I am not sure if Category:Improvised explosive device bombings applies to 2008 Mumbai attacks am i missing something ? thanks --DBigXray 06:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ivan the terrible and bipolarity

I've removed the category because the article sources don't support it. Ivan was certainly unstable, possibly psychotic at times, but the cause or causes are moot. His possible bipolarity's just one among many medical possibilities. Btw, I doubt very much that "Deadliest Warrior" could be considered a reliable source. Best, Haploidavey (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

Hello, I'm Webclient101. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Shooting, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Webclient101 (talk) 18:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Spree shootings in Northern Ireland

I've removed virtually all the articles you added to that category. The definition of spree killing, according to the FBI definition on the page in question is: "two or more murders committed by an offender or offenders, without a cooling-off period." Almost all the articles you added were attacks on a single location by paramilitary groups. Valenciano (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Reference markup

Hello,

I saw your edit on a recent article, in which you switched the URL of the reference with the title of the reference. This was subsequently reverted by 1 editor. However, you did it again, violating WP:1RR, and I reverted it.

I don't see the point in complaining about a 1RR violation or going to an administrator about it, so don't worry about that. I highly doubt there was any malicious or POV attempt at doing such... I assume good faith. But in the future, just keep this in mind.

Thanks.

--Activism1234 04:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Chances are it's just a misunderstanding, but I wanted to clear it up. Thanks. --Activism1234 04:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Category: Spree shootings in Israel

Hi there. I have removed most of the articles from this category as most of the listed attacks were terrorist acts, which are politically motivated attacks and do not fit the definition of spree killings. Some of the attacks listed weren't even shootings. I very much doubt there are reliable sources that describe any of these attacks as spree killings so please do not add any more such articles to the category. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 12:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

American resistance listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect American resistance. Since you had some involvement with the American resistance redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so).  Ryan Vesey 19:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Charles Burlingame

Hi. Please do not add unsourced material or speculation to articles, as you did with these edits to Charles Burlingame. Material added to articles must be accompanied by citations of reliable sources. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 12:50, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

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September 2012

Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to Waco, Texas. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:08, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961. This contravenes Misplaced Pages's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Can you please provide a source for the fact that the hijackers had been tortured while in jail? Also, you should provide edit summaries both for your edits and for your reversions. Jetstreamer  16:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Defaultsort

Can you please explain this edit. You appear to have made quite a few others like it and I cannot work out why. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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World Trade Center bombing

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Hate?

Ever actually met a British person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.226.138 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

This editor's American, not Irish, then? There's a surprise. Pinkbeast (talk) 09:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to report his/her userpage. "I hate British people for everything they've done to my American and Irish ancestors" is hardly appropriate (not to mention also a bit WTF, especially in the American case – what, came over and settled then granted our ungrateful children independence so they'd be free to kill as many Indians as they liked?). You'll never get a girlfriend with views like those, sunshine. — Jon C. 09:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

by 'granted' you mean 'forced to give after a series of military defeats' right? Jon C the little Englander! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.127.68 (talk) 22:26, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, it's fortunate that category pages seem to understand not to display random user pages. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh you get many "aspies" like this; they become obsessive over one thing, but then you don't need to have any form of Autism to make you believe your ancestry gives you special rights. Maybe I don't understand because although I have a mild form of Autism myself, I've never had obsessions. What I do know is that you have no right to hate a group of people because some of them wronged your ancestors in the past. That's also horribly un-Christian! Unless someone has done you a personal wrong, they owe you nothing. Pathetic ethnic nationalism...--Kawaii-Soft (talk) 12:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Bath School disaster

I have reverted your removal of the 'School bombings' Category. The overwhelming majority of the deaths and all the damage to property (farm buildings/school building/multiple cars/buildings in downtown Bath) occurred from the use of dynamite & pyrotol. The only time a gun was used was when Kehoe supposedly used one as a detonator device for his car-bomb, the only death from a weapon other than explosives was when Kehoe beat his wife Nellie to death with some sort of blunt object.
If you disagree with my restoring this Cat., let's discuss it further on the article's talk page. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 18:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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WP:BRD and categorisation

When someone reverts your addition of a category don't just wait a few months and readd it, use the article talk page to discuss why you think the article belongs in that category. In this case I can't see how killings carried out over a 3 day period fit the description of spree killing. Looking at your talk page and contribution history, this doesn't seem to be the only time that you have miscategorised an article, so please be careful in future. Valenciano (talk) 02:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. You're doing this on more than one article and judging by your user page, it's for POV reasons. Please stop. Bastun 10:17, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	I agree with a lot of your userboxes. I found you when you edited an article I created (Maria Ortiz Escobedo. If we knew each other in the real world, we might be good friends. Let Us Update Misplaced Pages: Dusty Articles 17:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

RE: USS Laffey (DD-724)

Hi ProudIrishAspie. Regarding your recent edits to the USS Laffey article I assume that by the "Dogfights" you mentioned in one edit summary you mean the History Channel show? If so it is always a good idea to provide an inline citation to the show indicating Season and episode numbers and such. Helps reduce the chance the edits might be rolled back by others. Thanks! Sector001 (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold

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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is not a UMass Dartmouth Alumni

By definition, an alumni is a graduate of an institution. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was NOT a graduate but rather a current undergraduate student and underclassman. Therefore, his inclusion in the list of Notable Alumni was inappropriate, as by definition he is not actually an alumni. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.88.249.107 (talk) 20:46, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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ANI notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 18:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• I have no idea why this is at ANI, but ProudIrishAspie, he's right about the fact that we try to keep WP:POLEMIC stuff off of our user pages. If a "Yankee" sees that and takes offense, then it becomes a whole "issue", and detracts from our job of creating an encyclopedia. It's admittedly a grey area, but statements of "hating" a specific group, even if intended in jest, or half serious, or whatever, aren't really a good idea. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Viriditas is going overboard on something silly, but please take Floquenbeam's advice...while it's by no means "hate", it's not helpful or productive, and our POLEMIC guideline covers it well enough. You shouldn't put inflammatory stuff on your user page. Shadowjams (talk) 20:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I disagree. It is most assuredly hate, and those were the words the user used. Please stop apologizing for bad behavior. There is no excuse. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

• ProudIrishAspie, I've protected your user page from being edited, since you've just re-added something similar. I'll be happy to remove the protection when I'm confident you won't re-add something that several people, and our guidelines on user pages, have told you doesn't belong on a user page. This is a private website, there is no freedom of speech here. We generally keep our nose out of other people's business, but you do have to follow WP:POLEMIC. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It's an "Aspie" thing - we sometimes get attatched to certain ideals...and passionate about things no matter how misguided they are. I am an "Aspie" yet against all forms of Xenophobia and hating people because they happen to be from a certain country...the fact this user refuses to communicate means they are really dug-down into this ideology. Funny enough, his stances seem to be completely mixed up - support the CSA yet Obama as well? Hate all Brits because of a few bad eggs and a troubled past, yet the same time declares himself "liberal?" Should I hate myself because I'm British with Irish ancestry? Is it okay in his mind for me to hate Catholics because of the Vatican? Is it okay for Native Americans to hate him because he's a white American? Okay for Jews to hate Germans? Hate hate hate, it gets you no where - because it's easy to hate than to understand. Take heed of this, my fellowm Aspie and Human being...--85.210.102.96 (talk) 21:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

ACW Flag icons

I noticed you've been adding some ACW flag icons for Missouri personalities and such. Unfortunately, there is a problem in that the current Missouri State Flag is far different than that of the ACW period. Actually, the flag wasn't even specified at the time, but the best indication was that it was the state seal on blue merino (this was what Sterling Price issued as the order for the MSG.) While official state flags are in vogue now, they weren't back prior to the ACW or even early 1900's era...ironic considering the post-war Lost Cause recasting as this being an issue of "states rights." Apparently, there was far less interest in state flags by period southern rights partisans than what one witnesses today.

I've asked before (for years) for someone to create a flag icon based on that specified by Price for the MSG, so that it could be used for all of the MSG engagements (Athens, Cole Camp, Carthage, Boonville, Lexington, 1st Springfield, Fredericktown, etc.) I've seen contemporary Federal reference to this as the early war "bear flag" (either in regards to Boonville or Carthage IIRC.) I've also wondered what was flying over the state buildings from ~1850-1913. Most likely it was the state seal on a blue background...which is much different looking than the modern state flag despite containing the same basic seal. Of course for the Unionist Home Guard, EMM, etc. the same flag would also apply as for the MSG.

For an encyclopedia it would be appropriate to use period flags for the icons, rather than the historically incorrect ones now in use.

Red Harvest (talk) 06:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry. Jeez. I didn't know I was off my meds for that long. ProudIrishAspie (talk) 06:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC) ProudIrishAspie (talk) 06:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

 Question: So what exactly would you like to be done to the page? — Mr. Stradivarius 09:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I've deactivated the request for now. Please reactivate it if you have a specific request that you want to be carried out. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 11:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Infobox flags

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Infobox flags

Good morning. I see that you have been notified by another user about the WP:INFOBOXFLAG manual of style policy. Please consider this a second notice. If you do not wish to revert all of the changes you have made, I'm sure that volunteers will be willing to help you. However, please do not continue to add flags to the infoboxes. Thank you for your time and attention to this notice. Spacini (talk) 15:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

This is your third warning about Infobox flags, as you keep on adding them. The guideline above is quite clear that they don't belong in articles about combatants. They will be removed and you may run the risk of being blocked if you continue. Span (talk) 23:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

This is your last warning. You are making disruptive edits by adding many thousands of flags to infoboxes, expressly against the guidelines. You will be blocked if you continue. Span (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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• An ANI discussion where I remarked that you should be blocked for your next violation of the flag guideline. I could explain what the guidelines are, why they are here, but all of that has been done before. Enough already. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been warned what would happen if you continue adding the flags, and chose to ignore the warnings. So here you go; use the time to read up about what you have been told, and return after the block expires, refreshed. Lectonar (talk) 07:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I really would urge you to engage in discussion about what you are doing.....just continuing in the same vein might help you feel good in the short run because you feel you are doing the right thing, but sometimes it is not enough to feel right when no one else can partake in it. So please stop, and start to discuss, ok? Consider this a new warning: insisting in your behaviour will just earn you a longer block. Lectonar (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Flags and infoboxes

Hi Proud,

I've been reviewing the changes you've been making to infoboxes and have a few observations:

1. I appreciate your enthusiasm and attention to detail.
2. I've found at least one article where I completely agree with your changes. (Operation Chahar)
3. I see that in several other articles you were following the lead of previous editors.

That said, I've been reverting most of your edits (as well as the edits of previous editors who had added inappropriate flags to infoboxes). There's plenty of work to do here and we'd love it if you stuck around, but if you're going to put in the time you might well make edits that last. I'm happy to have a conversation about what that entails, either here or on my talk page. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 19:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Now that I"ve had a chance to look at a few more of your edits, I think the rule of thumb should be to add national flags only when more than one nation is represented in the infobox. Battles are fine, individuals (generally) not. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 20:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Flags do not belong on combatant biogs. End of. Span (talk) 20:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, that's more concise and a better summary of WP:INFOBOXFLAG. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 21:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

On second thought.... Dormskirk was kind enough to direct me to WP:MILMOS#FLAGS, which appears to trump WP:INFOBOXFLAG. I've updated the latter with a pointer to the former and reverted my edits. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that change was such a good idea. Previously, the consensus has been that flags don't belong in biography infoboxes, clouding military figures. There's a current essay being drafted which states that this is more of a "do what you think is best" type thing, but unilaterally editing the manual of style seems to be a rash move. Also, Proud, the article James Moore (Continental Army officer) is one I've worked long and hard on, and its currently going through FAC. I wold prefer you not to place icons back in the Infobox, as all other articles n that "series" don't use them. I will revert any future attempts to put icons back in the infobox. Cdtew (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:INFOBOXFLAG disallows flags in military biographies and WP:MILMOS allows but does not require them. It now looks like this state of affairs accurately (if not very clearly) reflects the lack of consensus on the topic rather than an inconsistency in documentation. As I don't have a preference one way or another I'll be exiting this minefield now.... Lesser Cartographies (talk) 13:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Blocked....again

Come on, please try to make an effort and communicate with us directly, not just indirectly. Lectonar (talk) 07:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Request to remove article category from your user page

Hi ProudIrishAspie! I'm working on removing user pages from article categories per WP:USERNOCAT. I noticed that your user page contains the article category Category:American people of Irish descent. Could you please remove the category? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Terrorism, mass murder, etc.

Hi, I noticed you keep adding "mass murder" and similar categories to various armed encounters. While I appreciate your enthusiasm, a battle involving lawful combatants (also in an insurgency context) which results in casualties is not defined as "mass murder". Similarly, a car crash with several dead is not categorised as such, either.

Consequently, please do not add such categories to incidents of armed attacks on security forces, not least because armed forces in combat context are a legitimate target, and the attack is then not called a murder. If in doubt, refer to international law (e.g., the Geneva Conventions).

Another issue is the meaning of "mass". The FBI threshold of four persons is by no way universal, or binding on Misplaced Pages. But even then, you added the "mass murder" category to 2013 Quaid-e-Azam Residency attack, an incident in which only one person lost their life. Please STOP! kashmiri 18:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I removed "murder" from the infobox of Operation Opera. Come on. We have spoken before and I know your special background, and your attempts the get the article created. Whats up? You cant stick murder in all armed conflicts, airstrikes, whatever. Opera is particularly ironic because it arguably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Its wildly POV and can look like vandalism. If you want to talk drop me a line. Cheers Irondome (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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"Mass murder" categories

Hi ProudIrishAspie! I recently reverted several of your edits in which you added several battles in Somalia to various "mass murder" categories (such as adding Bulo Marer hostage rescue attempt to Category:Mass murder in 2013). It is inappropriate to add such articles to these categories as "murder" and "killing" are not the same thing. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. – Zntrip 05:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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A request for eyes

I noticed you've been very active working on formatting for a large number of American Civil War-era soldier biographies. Thanks for your efforts. While I'm a contributor on some of these works (some years ago), I haven't kept up with current normal article formats. There's a new editor User:Lieutcoluseng who seems to be working in the best interest of the pedia, but is not very experienced and so far hasn't been responsive to feedback. Would you mind looking over the contributions of this editor to make sure the works are in line with normal formatting for articles of that type? Thanks in any event. If I can be helpful in any way please feel free to call on me. BusterD (talk) 17:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

An olive branch/a request

ProudIrishAspie, I have noticed recently that you have been prolifically editing many military biography articles by adding flags to the "allegiance" and "branch" fields in their respective infoboxes. I would note first of all that this activity seems to be generally in contravention of WP:INFOBOXFLAG, which states that "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many." Further, that guideline notes that "Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text." It is my belief, and the most logical reading of the MOS, that flags don't add additional information than is given by the text. A link to the Kingdom of Great Britain article gives the same, if not more, information as a flag. On top of that, adding the flags make that field more prominent than the others. What's to say that a person's birth/death place isn't more important than their allegiance or branch of service?

Most importantly, though, is that many of the flags you're adding are inaccurate, or pure fantasy. In almost all of your American Revolutionary War edits, for instance, you've added the Gadsden flag icon as the icon representing the Continental Army. This is pure fantasy, as that flag never was used as an official flag of that Army. In another edit, you added the Moultrie flag as the flag of the revolutionary-era state of South Carolina; despite the flag's popularity, it was never an official flag. INFOBOXFLAG states that "Use a historical flag and associated country name when they have at least a semi-officially applicable rationale to use them...It may in some narrow military history circumstances be appropriate to use flags, as they were used at the time being written about". There are many other statements about the use of flags and their pitfalls.

WP:MILMOS#FLAGS, an article on the subject that is persuasive to the style of many military articles, states that "When flag icons are used, they should be historically accurate ones. In particular: When dealing with items related to a particular time period, avoid using anachronistic flags from other time periods. Be especially careful to avoid using the flags of modern countries for ancient ones; in many cases, the proper successor of a country no longer in existence is a matter of considerable controversy. Avoid using national flags in inappropriate contexts, such as for groups or individuals not aligned with any country."

Here, then, is my request. Please, for the love of all that's holy, stop adding flags to Revolutionary War infoboxes. I don't really care what you do with other wars, but due to the particularly confusing and complex nature of flags - official and unofficial - used during the period, your addition of those flags actually reduces the educational value of the infobox. In the present set of edits you've done, you've actually edited three FAC articles in a way that causes them to violate what I think is the clear intent of the MOS. So, on that note, I'll end my plea. If you should choose to ignore it and continue on your course, I will ask a third party to step in and craft a solution. Cdtew (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

ProudIrish, you're still editing these things in a way that I believe violates WP:INFOBOXFLAG, plus you're still using inaccurate, ahistorical flags. Please respond here or somehow acknowledge my concerns, or else I will be forced to go to AN/I. Cdtew (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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• Please stop adding any flags pending the discussion on ANI. It is not easy to determine which ones are legitimate and which ones aren't, and I take any of your (entirely unexplained) flag edits to be disruptive from this point on. You were blocked for flag abuse before, and it will happen again if you don't participate in the discussion and continue to make flag edits. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013

Drmies

Who is this prick to undo all my contributions and then block me? Is he out to get me or what? ProudIrishAspie (talk) 22:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

@ProudIrishAspie: @Drmies: is an administrator, and the block was given out at his discretion based on the fact that we've been trying to get your attention and talk to you about your flag edits, without you responding. I would fully support your request for an unblock, but my support would be conditioned with you talking with us about your flag-based edits over at the Administrator's Noticeboard entry for this, and not making flag-based edits until this issue is resolved. I want to be clear that no one is trying to pick on you (I don't think), but we just want to make sure your edits comply with the manual of style. This doesn't have to be something confrontational - we're all colleagues here, so please refrain from calling others "pricks". Cdtew (talk) 01:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

• What Cdtew says. I also hope you will request an unblock, but the flag matter needs to be discussed, and as far as I'm concerned a topic ban related to the placement of flag icons is in order.

  You're not very communicative; if you had contributed to the discussion you might not have gotten blocked, but you persisted in making the very edits that led to the ANI discussion in the first place, as if nothing had happened. You've been blocked for that type of behavior before, and there's a half dozen attempts to discuss things with you on this very talk page (to which you've made only two edits) so it shouldn't come as a surprise. As for the "prick", I've been called worse. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)