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::As for the "patterns of behaviour" that spin doctors might use here, I am impressed with the list you've begun in our other discussion (you've linked to it below). What you're noting is the same thing I am seeing, verbatim. It worries me that Wikipedians tend to so easily fall into the trap of endless discussions, interesting and lively though they are, instead of drilling hard for solutions. I may be way off base here, but it does seem simple to me: name the problem, list symptoms of problem, design a guideline to stop it. Just like the 3RR - it's a very simple recipe - if you see /this/ behaviour displayed in /this/ way, go to /this/ noticeboard and Misplaced Pages will stop it ASAP. I wonder if you would be happy to make a list of the behaviours you've witnessed? I realize you've already noted roughly 5, and they're brilliant observations. I'm interested to see if you might have anything to add, because guidelines could potentially be drafted with those in mind. (One downside is that once we've outlined what is unacceptable, the spin doctors will just change tactics. But we've got to start somewhere, right?) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 21:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC) ::As for the "patterns of behaviour" that spin doctors might use here, I am impressed with the list you've begun in our other discussion (you've linked to it below). What you're noting is the same thing I am seeing, verbatim. It worries me that Wikipedians tend to so easily fall into the trap of endless discussions, interesting and lively though they are, instead of drilling hard for solutions. I may be way off base here, but it does seem simple to me: name the problem, list symptoms of problem, design a guideline to stop it. Just like the 3RR - it's a very simple recipe - if you see /this/ behaviour displayed in /this/ way, go to /this/ noticeboard and Misplaced Pages will stop it ASAP. I wonder if you would be happy to make a list of the behaviours you've witnessed? I realize you've already noted roughly 5, and they're brilliant observations. I'm interested to see if you might have anything to add, because guidelines could potentially be drafted with those in mind. (One downside is that once we've outlined what is unacceptable, the spin doctors will just change tactics. But we've got to start somewhere, right?) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 21:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

::: HI. Yes we have to keep moving forward. People (3/4?) are mostly like the Hobbits, the ones who stayed in the Shire. They dont even know they dont know. I think something bigs going to go down this decade. A lot of people are waking up to whats going on and the Elite are running out of cover. They will try something, again. Like they did in Syria. I never thought Id be grateful for the influence of the Brics block esp Russia, but I am due to their effect on a corrupted Western elite who want War. Fortunately the US military is over rated and Russian weaponary esp missiles, all categories, are superior. (not well known). AS for wikipedians, very uncreative platform here constrains them and its open to abuse. But we have to try. Lol ] ] 03:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)



Blade, as a newbie not sure whether this is the best place to raise it, but obviously better than the Ghouta talk page. I can't really make out whether that Ghouta CW page is being subverted for a political agenda or whether those people have valid points under the Wiki operating rules. Who actually has final authority on these sorts of things? I look at the Latakia page and it has been whitewashed of the Aug04.2013 attack were 20 insurgent groups combined to kill hundreds and kidnap hundreds more. So I'm getting an impression that anti-Assad people are sanitizing these pages. ] (]) 01:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC) Blade, as a newbie not sure whether this is the best place to raise it, but obviously better than the Ghouta talk page. I can't really make out whether that Ghouta CW page is being subverted for a political agenda or whether those people have valid points under the Wiki operating rules. Who actually has final authority on these sorts of things? I look at the Latakia page and it has been whitewashed of the Aug04.2013 attack were 20 insurgent groups combined to kill hundreds and kidnap hundreds more. So I'm getting an impression that anti-Assad people are sanitizing these pages. ] (]) 01:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Humus

I recently looked at AA site and all my talk with you seems deleted. I can't even pull up by 'BabaisLove' stuff. You seem to have modified, edited and censored much of the talk suggestions I sent you, so that even what I suggested isn't complete! I also see you are adding various refs to support your angle, but I can't see how you jump to some of your conclusions from those refs (I know and have read every document you have quoted here - and much more). Finally, I had thought we agreed the whole point of an AA article was to say (for Baba's sake) something positive and uplifting about His place for the numerous outsiders who read this instead of dwelling on our human error? What will they think of Baba if they read all this? Is the Abode only the sum of our mistakes - nothing more? I had prepared a fully referenced article for you to look at but I see no point, as I don't see any openness or willness to work together here. Good luck and goodbye. RayCK 22:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

@ re openness and willingness, its takes two to do this, but you have been absent from AA talk since the 24th March. BTW I moved this post of yours to the bottom. New posts are always last on the page, like reading. I have not modified any talk page on Avatars Abode. Please dont make accusations without checking first if they are true. Check the history on the talk page please. Misplaced Pages takes some learning, but assume good faith first is the rule. I dont know what you mean by 'I can't even pull up by 'BabaisLove' stuff.' what do you mean? What stuff? I think you are confused with the long posts on your own talk page. Anyway the place for this talk is on the AA talk page. I will reply there BTW sign off with signature icon HumusTheCowboy (talk) 02:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Parkinson's science learning project in Wikiversity

Hi. I'd like to bring your attention to a new learning project in Wikiversity. As you have been involved with the discussion on the wikipedia Parkinson's disease page I felt you might be interested in looking at the project and perhaps even contributing material to it. Please see my Talk page, http://en.wikiversity.org/User_talk:Droflet#The_Science_Behind_Parkinson.27s_learning_project , the subpage, http://en.wikiversity.org/User_talk:Droflet/ProjectDescription or the project itself , http://en.wikiversity.org/Portal:The_Science_Behind_Parkinson%27s . It would be great if you could bring the project to the attention of others who might be interested in helping us develop it. Thanks.

Jtelford (talk) 15:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC) (My Wikiversity Username is Droflet)

Thank You Blade-of-the South 00:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Armstrong

Have a read of a couple of my articles, like this http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/06/lance-armstrongs-business-links-a-flowchart-by-dimspace/ which is the most in depth evidence of LA's corruption you will find. Or this http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/07/the-legend-of-the-500/ which was widely accepted as totally dispelling the "tested 500 times" argument and became even more accepted following the UCI's admission that they tested armstrong 215 times. I am far from an Armstrong apologist, totally the opposite. Ive been one of the voices fighting against him for the last 7-8 years. Hell, ive even been personally abused by his team. That said, im impartial on wiki, and for the armstrong article to be accurate some pretty serious changes have to be made to create a balanced article that gives a total impression of the person. That may take a few months, and may involved taking a step or two backwards to start with before we get to the end. Dimspace (talk) 23:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Good to know. I dislike cheats, but the scale of his offending when coupled with the hero thing is ground breaking. Lets nail him impartially Blade-of-the-South (talk) 23:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Its amusing to get called an apologist on wikipedia when in other areas im viewed as one of the biggest fighters against him. Have a good read of the business links pdf, it will give you an idea of how he controlled US cycling, filtered money out of livestrong for himself et. When all said and done on wikipedia I want accuracy, and i have the advantage of knowing an incredible amount about armstrongs career, good and bad. In the end an article that starts of critically, does not have nearly as much impact as an article that says he did this, he did this, oh and by the way, it was all a lie. But above all it needs to be accurate, readable and well presented, or people simply wont read it. If you have twitter, you will find me there. Dimspace (talk) 00:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Sign of the times (sighs) Tell you what, when you're ready, insert data and I will back you up Blade-of-the-South (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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edit request

can you please remove "mafia state" from the putin article, meybe it will be a beginning to a serious discussion 83.180.195.202 (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I will. Im wondering if you think I put it there? I didnt and am working slowly on riding the US POV, but getting resistance. Blade-of-the-South (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

A Home-made Barnstar for you

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After following your latest efforts in the Syria conflict related articles, I wish to award you this Home-Made Barnstar for editing in difficult areas, for "thinking outside the box" and for doing it well IMHO. Hoverfish Talk 11:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL did you find this page, heres where the big battles are. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Ghouta_chemical_attacksBlade-of-the-South (talk) 23:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Good edits

Despite our disagreements, I liked some of the edits you made on Ghouta chemical attacks to remove badly cited anti-Syria statements. I think you'll find that a much more efficient use of your time than adding badly cited pro-Syria statements. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 02:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC) Rolf H Nelson (talk) 02:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

That almost sounds like a compliment :) Blade-of-the-South (talk) 07:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Rebel fatalities in Ghouta

See talk page, discussion had already been opened. Blade-of-the-South talk 00:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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October 2013

Having said that despite its flaws WP attracts people due to its potential and also esp the way its used to push bias. Its bias drew me in and others I know. Its potential is vast, but its abuse potential is exploited. And with search engine preferences this one sided view is seen by all. Seeing this unbalanced view many join to give the other side an airing. Make WP more respected. Academic. This leads to issues with some editors who resist the changes. I dont care who edits but do you know intel agencies edit WP?. I woundnt be an admin, it must be difficult. I do believe you are neutral. Blade-of-the-South talk 01:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

You're correct - it is hard to be an admin, but I shouldn't complain as it was (mostly) my choice. And I appreciate the neutrality comment. Please try harder to be more aware of the issues associated with this topic area. Blocks generally escalate in length, and if you want to edit this topic area, you have to stay out of trouble. You know, you can always ask someone who's qualified to make the judgment whether something you want to do is acceptable. Take care.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Thks for the reply, I will ask Hoverfish about WP pointers. And also be more careful. Hopefully you wont read my name on your page again. Dont feel the need to reply. Blade-of-the-South talk 02:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Intel editing WP

Found this, hilarious. Blade-of-the-South talk 01:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

This is relevant too

American mass media shown to slant heavily in favor of government views on NSA and surveillance Study Huffpo TYT petrarchan47tc 02:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Great links, IMO the American people are on the whole good and decent, but the so called leaders are fully controlled by an Elite bent on domination and control, they have about 60% control of all corporations. This whistleblower says the same. . Blade-of-the-South talk 03:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
On our deathbeds, I imagine all humans have basically the same deep truths. From my travels, I see little to no real difference between us regardless of borders and skin color, etc. Human beings are beautiful, lovely, loving beings. We all want to be happy, free of pain and free of chains, and to experience the exchange of love. At the level of the ruling elite, however, there is a high degree of psychopathy: Forbes: the "incidence of psychopathy among CEOs is about 4 percent, four times what it is in the population at large ." Psychopathy and compassion (or, common sense) are mutually exclusive - which explains much of the problems we face globally, in my opinion. Government and corporations have essentially merged - and because we are talking about multinationals, this reality disintegrates the notion of "borders" such that, for example, if BP's interests are in danger, and therefore over half of the UK's pensioners are as well, the UK PM can simply have a little chat with the POTUS and BP will be let off the hook. I watched this very scenario happen in real time, and can show you all the articles that prove this. But for now, I want to argue that to think the US and the UK are truly separate entities may be mistaken. I think we are seeing this play out now with regard to revelations that the spying game knows no boundaries, has no dignity and spares no one. It is not about keeping us safe from "terrorism" (whose definition includes animal rights activists and journalists, and seems to morph daily to include the innocent) but seemingly, it is about power. Power, to these types, is sexier than sex.
As for the "patterns of behaviour" that spin doctors might use here, I am impressed with the list you've begun in our other discussion (you've linked to it below). What you're noting is the same thing I am seeing, verbatim. It worries me that Wikipedians tend to so easily fall into the trap of endless discussions, interesting and lively though they are, instead of drilling hard for solutions. I may be way off base here, but it does seem simple to me: name the problem, list symptoms of problem, design a guideline to stop it. Just like the 3RR - it's a very simple recipe - if you see /this/ behaviour displayed in /this/ way, go to /this/ noticeboard and Misplaced Pages will stop it ASAP. I wonder if you would be happy to make a list of the behaviours you've witnessed? I realize you've already noted roughly 5, and they're brilliant observations. I'm interested to see if you might have anything to add, because guidelines could potentially be drafted with those in mind. (One downside is that once we've outlined what is unacceptable, the spin doctors will just change tactics. But we've got to start somewhere, right?) petrarchan47tc 21:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
HI. Yes we have to keep moving forward. People (3/4?) are mostly like the Hobbits, the ones who stayed in the Shire. They dont even know they dont know. I think something bigs going to go down this decade. A lot of people are waking up to whats going on and the Elite are running out of cover. They will try something, again. Like they did in Syria. I never thought Id be grateful for the influence of the Brics block esp Russia, but I am due to their effect on a corrupted Western elite who want War. Fortunately the US military is over rated and Russian weaponary esp missiles, all categories, are superior. (not well known). AS for wikipedians, very uncreative platform here constrains them and its open to abuse. But we have to try. Lol Blade-of-the-South talk 03:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


Blade, as a newbie not sure whether this is the best place to raise it, but obviously better than the Ghouta talk page. I can't really make out whether that Ghouta CW page is being subverted for a political agenda or whether those people have valid points under the Wiki operating rules. Who actually has final authority on these sorts of things? I look at the Latakia page and it has been whitewashed of the Aug04.2013 attack were 20 insurgent groups combined to kill hundreds and kidnap hundreds more. So I'm getting an impression that anti-Assad people are sanitizing these pages. BabelBoy (talk) 01:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thats my take too, intel agencies is my guess. Theres a discussion on it here. Maybe policy will develop from this. I know that some editors seem to be on pages full time and are pro US POV. Its a symptom of these times that POV is what they want. But you know BB these are people who are not waking up. Theres a whole movement aware and awake these days, you included. ;) Blade-of-the-South talk 03:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)