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== Standard format for alternate names for northwestern Pacific tropical cyclones ==

I think that a standard should be set for the display of alternate names and designations for Pacific typhoons. In the past, the standard was to include the international designation, ] designation, and if possible, the ] designation in a text-string in closed parenthesis in the lead sentence.

<div style="font-size: 95%; border-left: 2px dotted gray; padding-left: 5px;">
;Example (text-string version)
'''Typhoon (Name)''' (international designation: '''''xxxx''''', ] designation: '''''XXW''''', ] name: '''''Name''''')
{{Clear}}
</div>

However, more recently, it has been pointed out that JTWC and international designations are not truly common names and only can be found in meteorological databases and season summaries, and rarely in the news, if not at all. Despite its implementation in years past, there has still been back and forth edits in regards to whether or not to include these alternate designations, most recently on ]. The JMA/PAGASA names-only version is as follows&nbsp;-

<div style="font-size: 95%; border-left: 2px dotted gray; padding-left: 5px;">
;Example (JMA/PAGASA only)
'''Typhoon (Name)''' (known in the ] as '''Typhoon (Name)''')
{{Clear}}
</div>

As mentioned previously, I think that a standard format should be set from now on as to what the guideline for display of alternate names and designations for northwestern Pacific tropical cyclones. This may also apply to some storm articles in the southwestern Pacific, which in some cases has articles with RSMC Nadi and JTWC designations in the text-string format (e.g. ]), and perhaps other basins. ''']<sup>(]·])</sup>''' 14:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/WikiProject used Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/WikiProject used

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Request for Comment at Talk:Hurricane Sandy

There is a request for comment (RfC) about whether to include "Superstorm Sandy" in the lead section here.

Discussion on Alternate Names for Hurricane Sandy at Talk:Hurricane Sandy

There is currently a discussion going on at Talk:Hurricane Sandy about the placement of alternate names for Hurricane Sandy in the article's lead. Since the article concerns this project, I figured I would post this here to inform everyone. All views on the issue are welcome, and I would encourage those interested to participate in the discussion. Inks.LWC (talk) 00:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

This discussion was recently closed by me, but has since reopened. Please feel free to participate if you are interested. I, JethroBT 17:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Hurricane Season

i have been wondering about possibly including the coding for Template:TC Decades in with the paramater 5 seasons= on Template:Infobox hurricane season. In brief the coding for Template:TC Decades allows us to deploy the template, by just simply typing in the following coding {{TC Decades|Year=2010|basin=South Pacific|type=cyclone|shem=yes}} or {{TC Decades|Year=2010|basin=Atlantic|type=hurricane}}. Obviously while it gives links to the ten seasons of that decade, i am pretty certain we could work the coding out so that only the five seasons (current +2 either side) could be deployed in infobox hurricane.Jason Rees (talk) 13:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh wow. That would've saved so much time when I've gone on season article sprees. And since many non-NHC basins still have more season articles that could be created, there would be benefit in seeing if this works. My only concern is the first and last year of a decade, which only has the one prior/after. Of course, we could have a discussion as to whether we need the two seasons forward and back in the infobox (I'd bring favor of getting rid of the 2nd year, as it adds a bit too much all at once). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I could see us going down to one season either side as i dont see the need to go 2 years back/forth.Jason Rees (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I think this should be implemented then. First, I'd say make it optional, so that way we don't have to replace every single infobox. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Damage

Does "total damage" include economic losses? Insurance losses? I don't think this issue has been 100% clear over the years, I've been told form different people different things. I think we all agree that property and crop damage should be part of total damage. Also, does "officials estimated it would cost million to repair the damage from the storm" count as total damage? I say no, for instance, the government could be leaving certain damage unrepairable, so it may IMO not be best to consider that the "total damage". Thoughts? YE 23:14, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

No. For Effects of Hurricane Mitch in Honduras, I had a breakdown of economic and total damage. The infobox was only what the actual damage was. Sometimes, if we don't have a breakdown, then we just include whatever the best damage total was. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding extratropical date to infobox

So, there's been a general trend to indicate the dissipation date as one thing, and put in <small>(</small>. I figure, can we just add something like 

extratropical =

And that would add that coding in? This way, it's less coding to worry about. We'd keep the dissipation date as when the circulation officially dissipated, especially since some storms have significant ET histories, but this way we indicate when it was no longer tropical, which we are doing anyway. Don't think this will be controversial, mostly wondering if anyone knows how to add it in. Thanks! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

This will be a very big help to boxes for storms like Sandy, as you said. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about that type of coding, so I can't add it in. United States Man (talk) 21:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I added an Extratropical= parameter to infobox hurricane. Just add the parameter and a date to the infobox, and it should work nicely. Cheers, LittleMountain5 22:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I love it!! Thanks. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Standard format for alternate names for northwestern Pacific tropical cyclones

I think that a standard should be set for the display of alternate names and designations for Pacific typhoons. In the past, the standard was to include the international designation, JTWC designation, and if possible, the PAGASA designation in a text-string in closed parenthesis in the lead sentence.

Example (text-string version)

Typhoon (Name) (international designation: xxxx, JTWC designation: XXW, PAGASA name: Name)

However, more recently, it has been pointed out that JTWC and international designations are not truly common names and only can be found in meteorological databases and season summaries, and rarely in the news, if not at all. Despite its implementation in years past, there has still been back and forth edits in regards to whether or not to include these alternate designations, most recently on Typhoon Haiyan. The JMA/PAGASA names-only version is as follows -

Example (JMA/PAGASA only)

Typhoon (Name) (known in the Philippines as Typhoon (Name))

As mentioned previously, I think that a standard format should be set from now on as to what the guideline for display of alternate names and designations for northwestern Pacific tropical cyclones. This may also apply to some storm articles in the southwestern Pacific, which in some cases has articles with RSMC Nadi and JTWC designations in the text-string format (e.g. Cyclone Jasmine), and perhaps other basins. TheAustinMan 14:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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