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Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of artists who have recorded "Jingle Bells"‎

Hi, you have just closed this minutes ago as keep, no concensus. As there were several policies/guidelines quoted for the reason for delete/merge and no reason or cause volunteered for why it should be kept I am surprised at your interpretation of the discussion. Surely the weight of argument was firmly against retention? What should be the next step, do I have to list again for deletion? Feel free to answer here or on my talkpage, as you wish. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James Campbell (journalist)

I wondered if you could possibly explain your reasoning behind closing this AfD as Keep (no consensus)? From a layman's perspective, I thought that the reasoning behind the delete arguments was made solidly and reflected community consensus, whereas the 2 weak keeps and the creator's perspectives were far less convincing. I very much appreciate you taking the time to read this. Colonel Tom 22:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

re: deletion/Gummi (software)

Hey.

Regarding your decision to delete Gummi_(software) based on the discussion here, I was wondering:

It seems the reason to delete was based on the (admittedly relevant) argument that proof of notability via 3rd party sources was lacking. However, several other articles on (La)tex editors, for example Kile don't provide 3rd party sources either, and from a quick Google search it seems that Kile and Gummi are at least comparable in their popularity.

It's too bad I missed the chance to participate in the deletion discussion, but it seems to me establishing notability for Gummi shouldn't be too difficult, as long as the same criteria for notability are applied as to the other editors.

What I'm trying to say: doing a search for Kile or Lyx (a very popular editor that I think definitely deserves an article), it is difficult to find non-blog sources to establish notability. But if blogs are included as reason to establish notability, I don't see how Gummi can be considered non-notable.

-- Minvogt (talk) 13:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer on my user page. I'm not exactly an expert editor, but I am more or less familiar with the requirements outlined by Misplaced Pages:Notability. The argument I wanted to make above was not phrased very clearly, so I'll try to paraphrase: I understand that, in general, blogs are not considered reliable 3rd party sources. However, in the context of software articles, there seems to be a de facto understanding that blogs and other less-than-completely-reliable sources, such as gauging the Internet /can/ indeed be used to establish notability. I proceeded to give an example: one of the most popular (Latex based) document processors for Linux, Lyx. I argue that it is unlikely that anyone would seriously question the notability of Lyx and propose deletion of the article (simply because its influence and spread is so self-evident on the Internet), but trying to find reliable, non-blog sources will be, even in this case, rather difficult. In other words: I can try to establish notabilty for Gummi, but if the 'no blogs' requirement is to be taken strictly, I will fail to do so -- but then a significant number of articles about open-source software would fail that test as well, simply because their notability is mainly manifested on the Internet, and can not really be gauged by looking at more traditional sources. Please note that I am not suggesting to redefine Misplaced Pages's notability definition, but just trying to put into words what seems to be the de facto notability standard for many (open source) software articles.

-- Minvogt (talk) 17:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Closure of Runtry

I modified your closure of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Runtry like this. If you wish to respond, please do so here. HairyWombat 16:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks very much for doing that. I've done the same thing a couple of other times recently, but have caught them myself. Thanks again for picking it up this time. TigerShark (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

AfD closes

Not sure if you're using a script to close AfD's, but you forgot to remove the {{REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD}} template when you closed a few recent AfD's (1 2), which keeps them in Category:AfD debates inappropriately. —SW—  04:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for letting me know. I'm not using a script BTW. Thanks again. TigerShark (talk) 11:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Richard V. Kahn

Hi, I read through the recent discussion about the reasons to delete this page but I wanted to point out reasons that Dr. Kahn does satisfy the requirements for being an important academic, which goes beyond editing Green Theory & Praxis. 1) He is the primary author (co-listed with Douglas Kellner) of a 2004 essay that is the most cited article in the world on how developments in New Media (including Misplaced Pages) potentially represent a democratic awakening and oppositional potential that will lead to the rise of social movements and political revolution. 2) He founded an important field within education called Ecopedagogy and is listed alongside notable personages such as bell hooks in the definitive reader for the field of Critical Pedagogy of education. To this end, he is considered a global leader and is regularly invited to speak and lecture internationally as the founder of this field. 3) He is a founder of the field of Critical Animal Studies and a founder of the Institute for Critical Animal Studies, which is a burgeoning global field of studies and of high reputation. It also has a wikipedia page. 4) He is also cited within Misplaced Pages in the David Icke page as a leading scholar of Icke's highly popular conspiracy philosophy. 5) His previous blog, Vegan Blog: The (Eco)Logical Weblog is listed by CSPAN has one of their Top 100 blogs of note on their website. My understanding is that he would satisfy the requirements of an academic for being listed in Misplaced Pages for point 1 alone. Considering his unique achievements and widely regarded publications in numerous areas, it seems to me that the recent discussion by editors to delete his page did not fairly understand or consider these points. I would ask that the deletion be reconsidered for these reasons. Thanks. (Sorry for any etiquette errors here; I'm not a power user.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.153.45.187 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 31 December 2011‎ (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your note. If you feel strongly that the subject of the article can meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria (see Misplaced Pages:Notability) then I would be happy to userfy the page for you, so that you can work on it (see Misplaced Pages:Userfication), before re-submitting it. Let me know if that is something that you'd like to do. Alternatively, you could consider raising the issue at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. Cheers TigerShark (talk) 13:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Soar into the Sun

HERE BY --Sunuraju (talk) 02:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear TigerShark,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and

Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's

Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we

teach students about becoming Misplaced Pages administrators. Not a lot is known about your community,

and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what

you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community

[[Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_82#Learn_to_be_a_Wikipedia_Administrator_-

_New_class_at_MSU|HERE]], where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my

students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training,

motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one

of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of

communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)

• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will

never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.

• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an

interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.

• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics

review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have

been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak

with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I

will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your

name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be

more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

A few more small van Persie edits

Hey mate. First off thank you for editing the van Persie page. Its great to see that Arsenal name off, I could not handle that anymore. Anyway I just have a few requests (if you dont mind, sorry). At the bottom there is a sporting positions table for Arsenal captain. It still says van Persie 2011–present when really it should be 2011–2012. And on the right box it should say that he was succeeded by Thomas Vermaelen. That is all. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 12:05, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Atlantis of the Sands

I appreciate your input on this article. I have amended it by adding a reference but if you have any further concerns, I would be happy to discuss them with you, thanks. Shaibalahmar (talk) 06:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch, and I had a look at the source you provided. I think that the "punishment by god" statement in the article could be interpreted as suggesting one of two things:

1. That the city might actually have been destroyed by god, or
2. That religious texts say that it was destroyed by god and/or that some current day believers believe that

At the moment, I think it reads as the first interpretation, and I think it should probably be written to suggest the second interpretation instead. I think that the article Iram of the Pillars covers the latter interpretation quite well, and perhaps we need something like that in the article.

In other words, I don't think that the article should actually suggest that it was destroyed by god (and I think that we would struggle to find a reliable source to back that up), but that it should instead make it clear that religious texts and, perhaps, current believers, suggest that it was destroyed by god.

It would be good to hear your thoughts on the above. TigerShark (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your constructive comments. I did consider point 1 but felt that the word "legendary" dealt with it. I guess "legendary" could be moved into the first sentence, e.g. "legendary lost city". The challenge with an article like this is to tread a fine line between theories, legends, beliefs and the actual search for Ubar. Similar articles have quickly descended into whackiness. As this is the introductory paragraph, I don't think there's any need to expand on the religious aspect here, but I'll have another look at the body of the article. Shaibalahmar (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Peterborough ditch murders

The article Peterborough ditch murders has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tragic but WP:NOTNEWS.

While all constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. ...William 16:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Peterborough ditch murders for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peterborough ditch murders is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Peterborough ditch murders until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ...William 16:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, I reported Official.theboldandthebeautiful and you deny the reportation. Therefore, I would like a more profound/depth explanation on why this user is not blocked.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 11:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. You reported the account at WP:AIV which is only for obvious incidents of vandalism or spamming. The edits from the account do not seem to fall into those categories. I believe that you have also requested a block on the basis of username. You may also want to consider whether the account's actions may be against the Misplaced Pages:Edit warring restrictions. TigerShark (talk) 11:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Facts.people / Official.theboldandthebeautiful

Thank you for your help with this user and their sockpuppets. However, shouldn't we also block the first account, given that it's likely they're going to return and just continue their edits once more? livelikemusic 14:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

@TigerShark: Okay. Thank you! I just know that they will not stop until their point is across. It's disappointing, especially given their warnings and their clean inability to stop with the potential of vandalism and fancruft action. livelikemusic 14:20, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

You have just blocked Runcs under bus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for one week. This account is a sock of the Runtshit vandal, and as such should be indefinitely blocked. Could you do this, so that the vandal cannot return to this account next week. RolandR (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for letting me know. TigerShark (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. RolandR (talk) 14:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

68.97.40.112

I noticed you blocked 68.97.40.112 (talk) indefinitely. Since it's an IP, can you reduce it to 1 year, in case it's assigned to someone else at a later time? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Chinese POV-pushing on List of tallest buildings in the world

Hello. I noticed that you PC-protected the article, and so did the POV-pusher from Nanjing, China, since he tried to remove the protection template (diff). FYI the Nanjing IP is not a new good faith editor but an editor with a long history of Mainland Chinese POV-pushing on multiple articles, which is why I reverted him on List of tallest buildings in the world, just like I reverted him on Republic of China Armed Forces just minutes earlier. A POV-pusher who never engages in discussions or consensus building but is only interested in getting his preferred version of things into whatever article he is currently attacking. Which is why semi-protection would be a better choice than pending changes. And there's a precedent for semi-protection on an article he attacked in May of this year, AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo, where semi-protecting the article for a month made him leave it alone.

And there's no doubt whatsoever about the editor on that article in May being the same editor as on List of tallest buildings in the world. He has used four different IPs (117.90.158.246 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 121.232.240.17 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 180.118.123.79 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 117.90.240.73 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)) while editing "List of tallest buildings...", while the IP used in May on AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo was (117.90.241.213 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)). Which fits right in with two of the IPs he has used now, and the quacking is made even louder if you compare this edit made by one of the current IPs only minutes before attacking the current article, and this edit, an edit that was repeatedly made by the IP in May, with both IPs among other things systematically changing every mention of "Republic of China" in the article to "Republic of China (Taiwan)", the term used in Mainland China. So I suggest that you change the protection from PC for a month to semi for a month, and revert his latest systematic changes of "Hong Kong" to "China", and equally systematic change of the flag of Hong Kong to the flag of PRC, on "List of tallest buildings...", because those edits are against the standard used on hundreds of articles here on en-WP. Thomas.W 18:53, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• TigerShark, I think you accidentally hit "indefinite" on this one. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:39, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Joefromrandb's block

So I'm not sure this block is deserved. Hear me out a sec. I genuinely hate the guy, I think he's a dick of the highest order and he knows that's how I feel. That said, I think the editors at WP:BLPN and the editor reverting him mistakenly believes his comments about inhuman and disgusting are about the subject's transgender status while Joefromrandb is actually reflecting on the subject's charges for child porn. He says he can't outright say such because the charges were dropped because of a mistake on the prosecutor's part that resulted in the subject not being convicted. So it's be a BLP violation to say "subject is a pedophile" because there was no conviction. That has nothing to do with the subject's status as a trans and so the revert of Joe's edit citing BLP is actually compliant with BLP. Joe pretty much confirms my assumptions in this edit where he calls the subject a predator. The editor reverting him is failing to AGF and mistakenly citing the BLP exemption to 3RR. You blocked the wrong guy.--v/r - TP 01:10, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a brief comment might be helpful. The penultimate sentence of the Misplaced Pages BLP is this: "Fox News reported that according to Sax, Reich's 30 followers were also acting as recruiters for this cult and that Speigel 'said she was certain that he was living as a woman in order to get close to little girls'" (emphasis added).

The deleted statement by Joe was this: "While WP:BLP prevents me from spelling it out in detail, suffice it to say that this so-called 'gender change' was done for one of the most disgusting reasons humanly imaginable." Maybe it would have been better if Joe had included the word "allegedly" or something like that, but Misplaced Pages has to pass some kind of judgment on the credibility of this matter in order to decide what pronouns to use in the article, what title to use on the article, et cetera. So, I'm not sure the word "allegedly" was necessary here. Certainly Joe took great care not to spell out the allegation, and so I hope you'll re-think the block.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

• TParis, I'm not going to overturn this block, but if you wish to bring this up at AN for a review (if TigerShark does not wish to reconsider), you have my support. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)