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| ::: For the record, since he wants to actually file a complaint against me as his ]: I pointed out all the issues I had with his cherry picking of source quotes, others agreed. He'd rather fight the fact that I pointed out his issues ("false charges!") rather than actually defend what he did on the talk page. This is getting silly.--''']''' <small>(])</small> 20:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC) | ::: For the record, since he wants to actually file a complaint against me as his ]: I pointed out all the issues I had with his cherry picking of source quotes, others agreed. He'd rather fight the fact that I pointed out his issues ("false charges!") rather than actually defend what he did on the talk page. This is getting silly.--''']''' <small>(])</small> 20:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| ::::], if you have no clue on how to collaborate on sourcing with others at ] it might be simpler to ban you from that topic than cater to your requests for further appeal venues. The other editors are posing reasonable questions to you that you should be able to answer. If you are banned, then you can make your case in the Arbitration enforcement appeal system. ] (]) 20:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC) | ::::], if you have no clue on how to collaborate on sourcing with others at ] it might be simpler to ban you from that topic than cater to your requests for further appeal venues. The other editors are posing reasonable questions to you that you should be able to answer. If you are banned, then you can make your case in the Arbitration enforcement appeal system. ] (]) 20:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| ::: It is imposible to find consensus with politicaly non-neutral and hate-motivated group of editors. You wrote yourself now: «So your statement "famine in Ukraine was in context of all Soviet-Union famine" is trivially true», but it was you, who blocked me for edits warring, because my edits, supplied by 4 RSes were deleted by this group of editors by fake reasons. If you are going deeper yourself into discussion on Holodomor article, I want to pay your attention to some words of Assembly Parlamentary of Counsil of Europe Resolution # 1723: . Don't you underatsnd that this resolution calls famine as '''Great Famine (Holodomor) in the former USSR'''? «Holodomor» — is the name for great famine in Ukraine. But this famine happened not only in Ukraine — this great famine happened «in grain-growing areas of the» USSR, as this Resolution said. And Resolution 1723 correctly, clearly and straight tells about it. Anyhow, I want to make some legal steps against editors, who, being not able to defend their edits fair-wiki-way (discussing on oponent's RSes, providing their own Rses proving their position, etc.) are making personal attacks on me and even declaring that I «falsified... sources». Can you help me, please? ] (]) 20:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Editor Cihsai
Hi Ed. Can you please take a look at editor Cihsai. Through the course of this year, he has edited no other article besides the Hemshin peoples and has made no other contribution to it beside removing/reverting a crucial part of the lead, which states that the Hemshin people are believed to have an Armenian origin and which is well sourced. He has carried out the same edit time and time again and has obliquely referred to a "discussion on the talk page", which he has never bothered to make a contribution. I, along with other editors, have reverted such disruptive edits but he persists in making the reverts. I think some sort of action is necessary here and I'd appreciate any help in dealing with this matter. Thanks.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Notified. EdJohnston (talk) 02:49, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ed. I have seen your message to me. Fact is that the user who complained about me is inserting a statement into the the lead paragraph without discussing it. The lead paragaraph as well as the paragraphs "History" and "Demographics" which are related to the issue are the result of intense discussions and editing compromises from several years ago. Therefore ı beleive the warning should be adressed to the user who is inserting changes without discussion and not to me. ... By the way, it is true that my activity on wikipedia is limited to Hemshin issue; my home region. I wonder whether that is in any way a violation of Misplaced Pages rules.Cihsai (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- You have not participated at Talk:Hemshin since 2008. Yet here you are on 6 November 2013 in this diff where you remove a claim about Armenian origin at the same time as you remove the reference which was intended to support it. If you don't believe that Simonian's book on the Hemshin is a good reference for the claim of Armenian origin, you could try asking for an opinion at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. In the past year you have reverted the lead 12 times. This looks to be a case of long-term edit warring. If anyone agreed with you, you would not be the only one removing this material. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- I have inserted a entry in the talk page of the article which may be worthwhile for you to see.. thanksCihsai (talk) 23:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- He hasn't quite let up. He just continues to revert.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Now topic banned. EdJohnston (talk) 04:42, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- He hasn't quite let up. He just continues to revert.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you Ed. I don't mean to raise the alarm bell so quickly again, but just yesterday another user, who has been inactive since 2009, came back to revert the page back to Cihsai's version. The explanations he gave are suspiciously similar to Cihasi's as well. Coincidence? Off-wiki coordination? I can't say for sure, but I thought I'd let you know. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Notified User:Omer182, who has deleted the same material from the lead as Cihsai. Simonian's book has been offered as a reference for the Armenian origin of the Hemshin. If Omer182 doubts the credibility of Simonian's book, he should go through the appropriate discussions to get it removed from the article. Trying to remove it by warring is unlikely to work. EdJohnston (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you Ed. I don't mean to raise the alarm bell so quickly again, but just yesterday another user, who has been inactive since 2009, came back to revert the page back to Cihsai's version. The explanations he gave are suspiciously similar to Cihasi's as well. Coincidence? Off-wiki coordination? I can't say for sure, but I thought I'd let you know. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- I have noticed that you have banned me on grounds that ″I have once again reverted the lead of Hemshin peoples to remove mention of possible Armenian descent, without ever achieving consensus for your views″.:I doubt whether you are fully aware of the following:
- The insertion of “possible Armenian descent” into lead paragraph is done without any prior discussion
- The lead paragraph was a long standing stable paragraph prior to this insertion.
- I have made several reverts because some editors have inserted the same sentence several times.
- By each of my reverts I have requested the inserters to engage in discussion.
- Your “Ban” on me adds up to to your interference into the editing of the article on the side of users who refuse to discuss.
- Kindly lift the ban and allow me to bring the article back to the stable version.In case you are interested in the details of the article, you are most welcome to participate in the discussion as to whether the insertion is meaningful.
- By the way, Hemshin is not in Azarbaijan and has no relation thereto. I was never involved in any article related to Azarbaijan and or numerous Armenian related articles.I understand that the Arbitration decisions cover articles related to the arbitration and that this will be interpreted rather broadly. I still find it rather far fetched when Hemshin People as article and myself as editor are considered to be covered thereunderCihsai (talk) 20:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- See the header of the WP:Arbitration enforcement page for the instructions for appealing your ban there. You should use the Template:Arbitration enforcement appeal. EdJohnston (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Reply from Novangelis re: Recurrent laryngeal nerve
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Mondoweiss
Based on the history, I'd rather you take any action you think is appropriate after this.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:38, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Nothing is my preference. If either party doesn't like where this is going, I expect we will see a new AN3 or AE report. There is talk of BLP violations. But in the real world, the people on both sides are accusing each other of horrible things anyway. If the article gets out of control I suppose we could full protect for a month and let them debate the fine points at WP:BLP/N. EdJohnston (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
User:Orrerysky disruption over Plasma cosmology
Fires are all over the place now, with threats flying. Take a look at some of the diffs provided here:
A topic ban or total ban is needed quickly. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
EdJohnston, please provide advise on how to make an escalation within your system. I would like to talk to your customer service department if possible or with someone in corporate. Bull is showing bias, has been uncooperative and misrepresenting events. Also, I don't mind taking a time out. This is not a threat, but merely a statement of good customer service. I would rather not have to create accounts and tunnel masked I.P.'s and make this a bigger issue. Let's get this issue resolved in a civil fashion. I want your escalation process sent. I want to talk to the service department for corporate. I deal with customer issues like this every day, I will call wikimedia's corporate office if necessary and raise all kinds of heck if I do not get a different admin to help administer this issue. 07:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orrerysky (talk • contribs)
- See User talk:Orrerysky for the follow-up on this. Per the ANI thread, GWH has imposed a 1RR restriction on this editor for the Plasma cosmology article. EdJohnston (talk) 18:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi
Hi Ed. I noticed you protected my user page during my block; thanks for that. However, can you extend the protection indefinitely, so that it does not get vandalised? Thanks. Epicgenius 18:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Done. EdJohnston (talk) 18:22, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Epicgenius 18:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Talk:Austrian economics/General sanctions
Hi Ed, I went through and notified a few people who had edited Austrian topics of the applicable sanctions on the topic area a couple days ago. I noted, as Template:Austrian economics enforcement states, that the notification did not mean they had been engaged in misconduct. One user has been removing his name from the log of notifications at Talk:Austrian economics/General sanctions because he says he has done nothing wrong. See this thread on my talk page. Since you're the only other admin to edit that log recently, could you comment? Mark Arsten (talk) 03:36, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, it looks like the other editor and I have reached a compromise on the issue, feel free to ignore. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Too late, too late, I already commented at User talk:Mark Arsten#BS warnings. This does come up occasionally and it is often puzzling what to do. EdJohnston (talk) 03:57, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
FYI
Hello, EdJohnston! Sorry to stick my nose in here, but I clicked through some links and somehow ended up here where you said the user had 3 blocks since Oct 1. Well, one of those blocks was for socking/block evasion, so he has more than that. This user got off lucky with 48 hours. Sorry to stir the pot. FYI. --64.85.214.223 (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
HouseOfArtaxiad
Hi. Is this post not a violation of the topic ban by HouseOfArtaxiad (talk · contribs)? Also, I believe this is not the only edit he's made to AA topics since 15 October. Grandmaster 20:12, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- There are no more edits by HOA at Talk:Shusha since 25 November. You should be counting from 15 November because that's when the topic ban was imposed. EdJohnston (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, that was a mistake. I meant 15 November. And indeed, he made no edits in Misplaced Pages since 25 November. Grandmaster 20:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Some help needed
Dear Ed, I guess you remember you blocked me yesterday for war edits on Holodomor article. I'm not going to complain on that, but I would ask you to be my first tutor on en-wiki, as I'm making my first steps here. There is a group of non-neutral editors, who blocking some changes to the article which they do not like. I opened a new topic on talk page — at ample time, but my agruments (proved by quoted RS) were simply ignored, as well as my additions to the article - — even they were proved by RS given. So, my question is: what should be my further actions, in such situation in the article Holodomor, when a group of editors ignoring arguments and doesn't have a will to find consensus? Thanks in advance. HOBOPOCC (talk) 08:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Your edits so far indicate you are a WP:Single purpose account. You seem to be editing various articles to strengthen the Russian side of certain questions. Here at Pavlo Skoropadsky you decide that the Russian spelling of his name must have priority over the Ukrainian. While single-purpose accounts are not forbidden, you must accept it will take you some time to acquire credibility. If you wait to get consensus at Talk:Holodomor before making your changes again, you should not have any problems. If you provide only sources in the Russian language you must accept that English-speaking admins won't figure out what you are doing. In some cases these topics will must surely have been covered in English as well, and taking the time to find English sources would help you persuade others. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Many thanks for your answer! May be I explained me wrong, but you focused on my intentions in wikipedia, doesn't matter you were right or wrong, but what I asked you, as a newcomer here, what would be NEXT PLATFORM(what page) to discuss conflict at, as I know already for sure, that on talk page of the Holodomor article we will never find consensus with my opponents, as they simply non-neutral and do not want even to pretend to be neutral. As about translation of texts into English - surely I realize this requirement. At the moment of discussion on Holodomor talk page all my correspondents were Russian-speakers. But, definitely, if discussion would go to another level or any new editors wold join the discussion all translations would be done. So, whom should I apply for resolution on my conflict with non-neutral editors on Holodomor article? What would you suggest? HOBOPOCC (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Content disputes are solved by the editors involved. WP:DR shows ways of getting more people if you think the group is not representative, but I don't think that's your problem. Since you recently added a work by Kulchytsky to the article maybe you can take a look at "A new view of a famine that killed millions". New York Times. 16 March 2009. This quotes Kulchytsky at length and seems to agree that the famine was a political action targeted at Ukrainians which had millions of casualties. Kulchytsky does believe the casualties were more like 3.5 million instead of the higher figures proposed by others. If you want to argue the credibility of a source you can post at WP:RS/N. EdJohnston (talk) 20:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Again many thanks for your answer. So, do you think that WP:DRN would be right place to open a topic at, in case if we do not find consensus on talk page of Holodomor article? And one more question: you wrote above «...I don't think that's your problem» — so, what do you think my problem is? I have feeling that you missunderstand my intentions in the article Holodomor.HOBOPOCC (talk) 11:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Feel free to open a thread at WP:DRN or a WP:Request for comment. It helps if you can make a clear statement of what the dispute is about. Before filing at DRN you could leave a note at Talk:Holodomor giving your proposed statement of the dispute. DRN is voluntary so you are depending on others choosing to participate there. My own observation is that the sourcing should be improved. It looks to me that the talk page discussion made some progress on 30 November. EdJohnston (talk) 15:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Again many thanks for your answer. So, do you think that WP:DRN would be right place to open a topic at, in case if we do not find consensus on talk page of Holodomor article? And one more question: you wrote above «...I don't think that's your problem» — so, what do you think my problem is? I have feeling that you missunderstand my intentions in the article Holodomor.HOBOPOCC (talk) 11:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Content disputes are solved by the editors involved. WP:DR shows ways of getting more people if you think the group is not representative, but I don't think that's your problem. Since you recently added a work by Kulchytsky to the article maybe you can take a look at "A new view of a famine that killed millions". New York Times. 16 March 2009. This quotes Kulchytsky at length and seems to agree that the famine was a political action targeted at Ukrainians which had millions of casualties. Kulchytsky does believe the casualties were more like 3.5 million instead of the higher figures proposed by others. If you want to argue the credibility of a source you can post at WP:RS/N. EdJohnston (talk) 20:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Many thanks for your answer! May be I explained me wrong, but you focused on my intentions in wikipedia, doesn't matter you were right or wrong, but what I asked you, as a newcomer here, what would be NEXT PLATFORM(what page) to discuss conflict at, as I know already for sure, that on talk page of the Holodomor article we will never find consensus with my opponents, as they simply non-neutral and do not want even to pretend to be neutral. As about translation of texts into English - surely I realize this requirement. At the moment of discussion on Holodomor talk page all my correspondents were Russian-speakers. But, definitely, if discussion would go to another level or any new editors wold join the discussion all translations would be done. So, whom should I apply for resolution on my conflict with non-neutral editors on Holodomor article? What would you suggest? HOBOPOCC (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Dear Ed, sorry for bothering you! You know, one of my oponents blaimed me that I «falsified two sources». I think this is seriuos charge and if it's false by nature (and it's false) editor who acting such way should take responsibility for false charge. Can you, please, give me an advise what WP-page should I enter to file a complain against my oponent as regards these false charges? HOBOPOCC (talk) 19:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- It sounds to me that you should be able to negotiate a compromise with User:Lvivske. Lvivske and others are saying that there were political decisions taken by Stalin to ensure special famine suffering in the Ukraine. You should be able to study the sources with enough care to see which historians agree with that and which ones disagree. Nobody denies that there was famine outside the Ukraine. So your statement "famine in Ukraine was in context of all Soviet-Union famine" is trivially true, but not very useful for deciding if there was a Holodomor (a worse-than-usual famine that was politically manipulated). EdJohnston (talk) 19:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- For the record, since he wants to actually file a complaint against me as his opponent: I pointed out all the issues I had with his cherry picking of source quotes, others agreed. He'd rather fight the fact that I pointed out his issues ("false charges!") rather than actually defend what he did on the talk page. This is getting silly.--Львівське (говорити) 20:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- User:HOBOPOCC, if you have no clue on how to collaborate on sourcing with others at Talk:Holodomor it might be simpler to ban you from that topic than cater to your requests for further appeal venues. The other editors are posing reasonable questions to you that you should be able to answer. If you are banned, then you can make your case in the Arbitration enforcement appeal system. EdJohnston (talk) 20:12, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- It is imposible to find consensus with politicaly non-neutral and hate-motivated group of editors. You wrote yourself now: «So your statement "famine in Ukraine was in context of all Soviet-Union famine" is trivially true», but it was you, who blocked me for edits warring, because my edits, supplied by 4 RSes were deleted by this group of editors by fake reasons. If you are going deeper yourself into discussion on Holodomor article, I want to pay your attention to some words of Assembly Parlamentary of Counsil of Europe Resolution # 1723: Commemorating the victims of the Great Famine (Holodomor) in the former USSR... It furthermore encourages the authorities of all these countries to agree on joint activities aimed at commemorating the victims of the Great Famine, regardless of their nationality. Don't you underatsnd that this resolution calls famine as Great Famine (Holodomor) in the former USSR? «Holodomor» — is the name for great famine in Ukraine. But this famine happened not only in Ukraine — this great famine happened «in grain-growing areas of the» USSR, as this Resolution said. And Resolution 1723 correctly, clearly and straight tells about it. Anyhow, I want to make some legal steps against editors, who, being not able to defend their edits fair-wiki-way (discussing on oponent's RSes, providing their own Rses proving their position, etc.) are making personal attacks on me and even declaring that I «falsified... sources». Can you help me, please? HOBOPOCC (talk) 20:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- For the record, since he wants to actually file a complaint against me as his opponent: I pointed out all the issues I had with his cherry picking of source quotes, others agreed. He'd rather fight the fact that I pointed out his issues ("false charges!") rather than actually defend what he did on the talk page. This is getting silly.--Львівське (говорити) 20:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- It sounds to me that you should be able to negotiate a compromise with User:Lvivske. Lvivske and others are saying that there were political decisions taken by Stalin to ensure special famine suffering in the Ukraine. You should be able to study the sources with enough care to see which historians agree with that and which ones disagree. Nobody denies that there was famine outside the Ukraine. So your statement "famine in Ukraine was in context of all Soviet-Union famine" is trivially true, but not very useful for deciding if there was a Holodomor (a worse-than-usual famine that was politically manipulated). EdJohnston (talk) 19:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
User:BlurredLines at it again immediately following the end of his block
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Sigh! User:BlurredLines has still not learned his lesson following his 48 hour block. Directly following the editor's block—in which he claimed to you that if you'd rescind it, he'd discuss and pursue the matter with me and the others constructively—he made out this bogus report on me at Administrative Noticeboards and sent me this and this at my user talkpage. As you'll be able to note from his report at the ANI Noticeboards, BlurredLines is more than willing to lie, distort and misrepresent the issues to get his way. However, as noted by the respondents at the ANI noticeboards, no one's buying this editor's obvious ploys and the editor is sniping at them for it (as shown here ). Beyond that, BlurredLines took it upon himself to not only once again revert the edit that three editors have taken exception to , but he has prevented further discussion on the matter by making this response on the talkpage yesterday and then IMMEDIATELY following it by closing the discussion to prevent myself and others from talking out the matter (as shown here . Also, I've been of the impression this editor is on wikibreak multiple times now because announcements like this (, , ). However, the editor will come back shortly thereafter and again start making a ruckus. As you are familiar with this editor's troublesome behaviors, could you be of an assistance. Thank you! AmericanDad86 (talk) 14:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
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Yozer1
I will be generous and assume a great deal of "good faith" following Yozer1's removal of information stating, "No mention of a massacre in source", when the sources were after the following sentence. Clearly this source, states there was a massacre and to find it one simply has to click on the link. I have already mentioned this on Yozer1's talk page, suggesting he avoid deleting such information. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello Ed, this user was actually topic banned. None of the admins closed the AE request and post the topic ban on his talk page when all 3 admins (You, Georgewilliamherbert and Sandstein) agreed that he should be. And it it was automatically archived today. --Երևանցի 20:00, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Kansas Bear, I thanked you for informing me and did not revert it. Take a break.
- Hi Yerevanci, I was not topic banned until now. Will be back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yozer1 (talk • contribs)
- The topic ban from AA2 is now logged. I suggest that Yozer1 might want to remove his 'nightmare' comment unless he wants it as part of the record. EdJohnston (talk) 20:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- I believe EdJohnston acted in haste. Yozer1 (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- There was a full discussion at WP:AE#Yozer1, a thread where you participated. Three admins agreed on the result. EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- I believe EdJohnston acted in haste. Yozer1 (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- The topic ban from AA2 is now logged. I suggest that Yozer1 might want to remove his 'nightmare' comment unless he wants it as part of the record. EdJohnston (talk) 20:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Flag of Macau
I do not agree with your action that since those are the official names for those flags.--TINHO (talk) 05:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Feel free to open a WP:Requested move discussion at Talk:Flag of Macau. I can assist if you don't know how to do this. See also WP:OFFICIAL for our practices regarding official names. Official names "..should always be considered as possibilities, but should be used only if they are actually the name most commonly used." EdJohnston (talk) 05:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
ANI Notification: Les Etoiles de Ma Vie
There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidentsregarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.. Veriss (talk) 06:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Topic Ban
Ed, I am doing my best to stay 100% faithful to my topic ban, so please indicate if I erred at all here User talk:Plot Spoiler#Please explain yourself and if I need to self-rv or anything else. Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I also finding it troubling and unconstructive that dlv999 appears to be stalking my contributions. Three out of his/her four total edits over the past five days are related to my topic ban. It doesn't appear s/he is committed to constructively building Misplaced Pages and is instead interested in treating Misplaced Pages as a battleground. Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- You should avoid the USS Liberty incident. That incident took place during one of the Arab-Israeli wars. There is an ARBPIA notice on the talk page of Richard A. Falk and in my opinion you should avoid it as well. There is nothing wrong with other editors reviewing your contributions to see if they conform to your ban. EdJohnston (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification, I've self-rvd those two edits. Thanks Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- You should avoid the USS Liberty incident. That incident took place during one of the Arab-Israeli wars. There is an ARBPIA notice on the talk page of Richard A. Falk and in my opinion you should avoid it as well. There is nothing wrong with other editors reviewing your contributions to see if they conform to your ban. EdJohnston (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
My talk page
Thanks for your note. I'm not trawling back for the (abundant) additional evidence but will keep my eye out. Your note resulted in a fairly typical swarming of Austrian Economics contributors and the usual inability to understand policy + misrepresentation. Thus, I've started documenting already. - Sitush (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Documentation is good. This reminds me of a comment yesterday by one of the arbitrators on a different subject at RFAR:
If there are clear examples, supported by good evidence, identifying specific editors and/or administrators then this can and should be handled at AE. If there are none of these things, it is currently too nebulous for a case.
- In other words, if you actually have organized evidence present it to admins, and try handling it at the admin level. If you *don't* have organized evidence then (in his opinion) it's not worth opening an Arbcom case. 'Nebulous' I think is an apt description for both the case he was referring to and the Austrian economics thing. EdJohnston (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd actually already documented stuff at my original ANI complaint. As is common with Aust. Ec. stuff, someone opened a new thread and it was overtaken by events. That tendency itself is rising to the level of disruptiveness but several of those involved seem to do it as a matter of course. Since the provision of decent diffs is generally lacking in the topic area, it looks like I'll have to step up to the mark. There is the added bonus that I'm in neither one camp nor the other :) - Sitush (talk) 06:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks
For correcting Ancient Pueblo peoples! Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Regarding Your Notification on Hemshin peoples
Hello Ed, Thank you for the notice on my talk. I do understand your concern. Nevertheless, I feel the need to appeal to you to make sure that you have a complete understanding of the development history of this article as briefly outlined below. I also kindly as for your clarification and guidance regarding my below raised questions- as your intervention raised my curiosity and interest:
- The article has experienced lengthy and detailed discussions earlier through which it reached the maturity level to ensure stability for a number of years. During these discussions, the article was considered section by section and gradually improved using all the referenced material available- occasionally resorting to mediation procedures initiated by me to avoid wholesale reverts. It is interesting to note that most of the editors who used to implement such wholesale reverts or refused discussion now appear in the list of supervised editors in mentioned arbitration. The discussions to a great extent included exchanges related to the very recent insertion repeatedly made into the lead with no discussion or effort for consensus.
A brief look at Talk:Hemshin and the body of the article will make it evident to you that the recent insertion undermines recorded discussions that involved several admins and calls for mediation. Now, I would be grateful if you could clarify the below and guide me through your recently imposed notice:
- I am having difficulty in understanding why it is the case that an undiscussed modification to the lead of an article which has achieved its current form through a lengthy consensus building is ok in your perspective, whereas my call for discussion before engaging in such major edits is not? Interesting to note also that your warning to me comes right after my very first intervention whereas repeated insertion of the same clause to the lead of a stable article does not deserve any notification.
- I happen to be interested in the Hemshin region and its history, and therefore contribute mostly on this article. Is this in contradiction with any Misplaced Pages policies? I am not a professional wiki editor, but feel the need to contribute here as I do have relevant material. My edit came recently simply because I observed an undermining of earlier discussions after a period of stability. Having said this, could you please comment on your remarks here about my intervention in relation to Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith.
It is nice to have an admin interested in the article, as it experienced intense edits wars earlier before it enjoyed stability for 4 years as a result of the detailed discussions on the talk page – until recent- undiscussed edits along the lines of those who are now supervised under mentioned arbitration. I kindly ask for you clarification and guidance along the above issues.Omer182 (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- It is funny to see people reverting in 2013 based on what they claim was decided by consensus in 2008. I am not sure that a consensus was reached in 2008. My attention was drawn to this article by one of the participants since User:Cihsai had been conducting a slow edit war over 12 months to remove a particular mention of possible Armenian origin from the lead, while never using the talk page. You showed up in the apparent effort to continue User:Cihsai's edit war, though I take note that you did participate in the 2008 discussions. There is a current discussion which asks whether Simonian's book is to be relied on for its statement about Armenian origin of the Hemshin. Feel free to participate there. EdJohnston (talk) 17:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)