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• Archive 1: March 17, 2005 - April 22, 2007
• Archive 2: April 26, 2007 - August 10, 2008
• Archive 3: August 12, 2008 - December 26, 2009
• Archive 4: December 28, 2009 - March 21, 2011
• Archive 5: March 25, 2011 - August 13, 2012

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Dawn Marie Psaltis

I see that you are an Admin. That makes me even more perplexed, because you should know BLP policy better than me. I must be missing something big. (If you know what, please educate me, I can learn something new. I am being sincere.) Right now I don't understand by any reach, that adding a Youtube ref as an RS that constitutes an attack on the integrity of any BLP subject, can be consistent w/ policy. So I reverted it. (Which according to my understanding is the prescribed thing to do, to protect both the BLP subject, and WP.) User:ChessPlayerLev re-added the Youtube ref. You added a supporting ref, but when I looked at it, it seems to be a blog report made by a voluntary contributor/user of the site, and it simply affirmed the existence of the Youtube video, and proceeded to give personal speculation. (The site seems very gossipy as a result, and how could this be a reliable source? And even if it was, how could simply affirming the existence of the video, be a contribution of anything, how could it be an RS giving any support to any content. ). Looking forward to your answers. (I also opened thread at WP:BLPN.) Thank you. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:30, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Nightscream, thanks for your response at the article Talk. I have some followups, would prefer to discuss them here, feeling it'd be more appropriate than article Talk. (Is okay? We could copy any conclusions arrived here, to article Talk, then.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Nightscream, can we discuss the BLP violation here? Or I will continue it at the BLPN. Please let me know. I'm subjected to ad hominem and personal attacks at the Talk:Marie Psaltis, and, I would really rather avoid that, by discussing the issue here with you rather than at the Talk:Marie Psaltis, where I'd likely be subject to more ad hominem and personal attacks. (BTW, you are admin, and so are in a position to quell ad hominem personal attacks used by an editor to bully or intimidate another editor in order to squash discussion which might challenge material said user reintroduced. Again, said user reintroduced the material without discussion after my revert of it, even when article Talk thread had been opened for discussion. It's my understanding that incendiary material such as an accusatory Youtube video is supposed to be removed at once, even without the necessity of edit summary.) You are an involved admin and the article reflects the status that you want, but I disagree with this, and would like to discuss, in a discussion forum where I'm not on receiving end of a stream of personal ad hominem attacks. Does that sound reasonable? Thanks for your consider. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:38, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Nightscream, I had reverted the accusatory Youtube video according to my understanding of BLP policy, where such a ref is supposed to be reverted on sight, even without edit summary. Did I do wrong? You provided argument at the article Talk, that normally a Youtube video is not adequate as reliable ref, but in this case, that the accusatory Youtube video was okay as a ref in the BLP, *because*, the person making the Youtube video, the person making the accusation against the BLP subject, was himself notable. However, I do not see how that argument is valid. (For example, assume BLP subject 'A'. Person 'B', who is notable, makes an accusatory Youtube video, attacking the integrity of person 'A'. Person 'C', also notable, has a different grievance against person 'A', and makes an accusatory Youtube video against person 'A'. Person 'D', also notable, has an entirely different grievance against person 'A', and makes an accusatory Youtube video. Person 'E', likewise. Person 'F', likewise. Person 'G', likewise. And so on. Are you saying, User:Nightscream, that because persons 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', and so on, are each notable, then the accusatory Youtube videos that each makes, may be included as refs in the BLP of person 'A'?) This seems completely wrong to me, and your argument that keeping the accusatory video made by person 'B' against the BLP subject, also therefore equally wrong. Are you saying it is right? If my understanding of BLP policy is wrong in this regard, then I would like to correct my understanding. Please remember at the time of my revert, there was no mention whatever in the BLP article about the BLP subject response to the accusatory Youtube video. My reversion was based on the condition of the article at the time of my revert. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you respond, please? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 14:54, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Nightscream, you replied to my above question, at the article Talk, that in your view, it would be alright to add the accusatory Youtube videos in the BLP article of person 'A', made by notables 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', and so on. It's frankly an astonishing response from you. For example, let me try and refute it, even without referring to WP policy (I'm not a policy wonk anyway), but instead using the following thought experiment ...

Let's say *you* (User:Nightscream) are a notable person and a WP BLP article exists on you. And you rub shoulders with lots 'o famous (notable) people. Let's say you're a tough business guy. And beat out many notable business people in the marketplace, who as a result, given their shortcomings as human beings, and jealously over your success, you have gained a lot of "enemies" (lots of notable people who don't like you so much, even though you are a really nice guy). Okay ... To even their grudges against you (in fact, in attempt to *smear* your reputation and ruin you), each of your enemies makes an accusatory Youtube video, impugning your reputation, that you were a cheater in their business deals with you. As a result, your BLP article on Misplaced Pages, is filled with refs to Youtube videos made by the individual notable persons 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', 'H', 'I', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', 'Q', 'R', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', and 'Y'. (My gosh. You really made some enemies in your career! Now they've all fabricated accusations on Youtube, and every single one of the vids has ended up on your BLP article as a ref.)

If you were that successful businessperson in the thought experiment ... how would you feel about the condition of your BLP? How would you feel about Misplaced Pages for hosting a BLP in that condition? (And, do you still keep your answer to my original question posed above?) Thanks, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Mike Manning

Hi! I actually didn't update Mike's since you said a friend of his shouldn't update it, so I had a friend of mine (who doesn't know him) update it. In that article it does say the movie is getting great reviews though. He did however give me a picture that he owns that he'd like on his page. Thanks! Krenda5 (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)krenda5

No worries! I'm sure you've read a lot of these things all day so I totally understand. I just had two more questions, and I promise I'll be out of your hair. :) How do I change his birth year to 1990? Is there a way to do this? (I don't mean to go against the close friends code. It even says on IMDb that that is his birth year) Also, I would like to do the free-license image for his page, but I can't for the life of me figure out how. :( Krenda5 (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)krenda5

Richard Benjamin Harrison

You said: "This is not grammatically correct, in light of the way the sentence is structured (with the word "While" at the beginning of it, which creates a clause that's incompatible with the conjunction "but").)"

I had to study the sentence for a few minuets before seeing that you're right. I did make an error in grammar. The word "While" is what sunk me, a result of me not reading the text carefully. I made another error. ..."he has indicated that". This is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to either Harrison.

Entree read as follows: "While Harrison's son, Rick, has mentioned that his grandmother stated that they are descendants of Presidents William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison, he has indicated that he does not give much credence to this idea."

I wonder who "he" refers to. I think the pronoun is pointing to the elder Harrison, but it's still a bit ambiguous. I think that the entire paragraph is clunky and wordy, so I smoothed it out a bit.

I change it to:

"While Richard "Old Man" Harrison's Wife believes that the family are descendants of Presidents William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison, The Old Man is skeptical about the relationships."

Note: I added "about the relationships." because it's more technically correct. Do you think that maybe the sentence should end at "skeptical"? It might sound better, even though it's chopping. Yosemite Todd (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2012

The way I read it the first time is that it was the old man who didn't give much credence to the idea.

Are you 100% sure that it was Rick expressing doubt and not old man? With no doubt? If you have even a slightest doubt, then you need to find out for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite Todd (talk • contribs) 00:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

You changed my edit back. And this has me very discouraged. And the reason why is that I know that the prose of my last edit was the better one. I studied grammar and prose. My edit was better because it conveyed the same idea with about 10 words deleted. And the prose was much smother.

You have lock down the page. And this has made me very angry. I believe that this violates the very principles of Misplaced Pages and all wikis. This is why I believe my anger is justified and your behavior is completely inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite Todd (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC) -Yosemite Todd- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite Todd (talk • contribs) 17:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Lohan comment

You also removed my comment on the Michael Lohan talk page. I remember reading (Misplaced Pages:Talk_page_guidelines#Others.27_comments) that this is actually discouraged. Spelling Style (talk) 02:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your tireless and substantial maintainence of the Richard Benjamin Harrison article. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Saga (comics)

It depends what you are after. If you think it is in reasonably good shape, stick it up at WP:GAN; there doesn't seem to be anything glaringly wrong with it. This is usually a pretty good way to get general advice and improvement when an article is already good. The other option, particularly if you are unsure if it is OK, is to get a review at WP:PR. However, this can be hit-and-miss; it may sit there for a long time, and there are only a few editors who regularly review, and they have to do a ridiculous amount of work these days so progress can be slow. And I'm never sure PR is the best thing for GA, it is better for FA. Or, if you want me to have an informal look, I'm happy to do that. Let me know. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Poltergeist edit

You have every right5 to revert it, but don't claim it was a 'personal view'. I was merely stating a fact.60.224.160.192 (talk) 20:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The New 52

Nightscream, what an interesting life you must lead. First of all, reread the edit notes. I never claimed the current picture is "uncopyrighted." Second, since when is that other image mine? I found it in the edit page of the article, you ignorant twit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.122.8 (talk) 01:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

1. Your edit summary stated, "Replaced copyrighted image with uncopyrighted image." So yes, you indeed made that statement.

2. Misplaced Pages requires editors involved in disputes to do so in a manner that is civil. Please do not attack other editors as you did above (and as you did on my talk page), as doing so can result in being blocked from editing. If you come into dispute with another editor, try to stay cool while doing so. Thank you. Nightscream (talk) 01:45, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Nightscream, the edit note reads, "Replaced copyrighted image with uncopyrighted image." I know you probably didn't attend an Ivy League institution like me, or even a top 100 college for that matter, so let me make this easy for you to comprehend. That statement suggests that I replaced an image that was copyrighted with an image that I believed to be without a copyright. Yes, I did used the term "uncopyrighted," leaving out the hyphen, which is most likely why you put in quotations. I do, however, hope you appreciate that "un-copyrighted" is, in fact, a word in our great, English lexicon. However, that's not the point. You wrote, "That image is of a cover of a comic book published by DC Comics, so it is not 'uncopyrighted', as DC Comics indeed owns the copyright to it." Here, you are talking about the image that is currently on the article page, which is the image that I referred to as "copyrighted," not "uncopyrighted." Now, I know you have a 3000 calorie lasagna plate in the oven, so please do ponder the semantics of this linguistic exercise while you stuff your Italian face. After observing your edit page, I can see that you are rather contentious in nature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.122.8 (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Nightscream, tl;dr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.122.8 (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Frank Cho

Hi, this is Frank Cho, the creator of Liberty Meadows and Marvel writer and artist. I tried to correct and clarify couple of the the statements on my biography but you removed them, citing unreliable source. I like to think that I'm a reliable source of my life. If you have any question or concern about me, please contact me directly through my website, www.apesandbabes.com or wwww.libertymeadows.com

Thank you.

Frank Cho Frank Cho 1971 (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there's no way of knowing if you're really Frank Cho, and Misplaced Pages has been hoaxed before by very convincing-sounding impostors. So have Facebook and Twitter, which is one reason Twitter now has the "verification" process.

But even if this the actual, for-real Frank Cho, Misplaced Pages disallows what it calls original research such as claimed personal knowledge. That's why we have to use reliable published sources. Otherwise, as I'm sure you can understand, anyone could say anything about themselves. Would you want an encyclopedia where, say, Dick Cheney can go in and say anything about himself that he wanted to? --Tenebrae (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Counting Cars

I've never edited a semi-protected article before and saw the Counting Cars article you created so I don't know what the procedure is other than go to the user's talk page and inform them. I edit a lot of TV series articles and I watch this show. I added an intro section and updated the production infobox to help further improve the article. I hope that's okay. If not, then by all means you can delete the info. Sue Kastle (talk) 18:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Steranko and Starheroes

You tell 'im, bro'! I can only assume that people like that are just kids too young to be editing here. 'Cause if they're adults, God help us! : )   --Tenebrae (talk) 04:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Rob Liefeld

Sorry, I was just adding to his article about the comic book greats interview. I have only watched part of the interview I don't know exactly what was discussed with Stan Lee.Msruzicka (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The Real World

Sorry, I did not know I couldn't use that website as a source. Just so I know in the future, what websites can I use for sources? sly0981 (talk) 22:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The Real World references

Have you seen the movies 21 Jump Street or 10 Things I Hate About You? Well, both movies have Real World references in them. In 21 Jump Street, there is a RW reference at a party scene, while in 10 Things I Hate About You, a girl is watching a clip of The Real World: Seattle on a TV in her bedroom. In the Parodies, derivatives, and references section on the main Real World article, there is only one statement that is sourced. Hmm, what do you think? DPH1110 (talk) 17:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)DPH1110

Re: Stan Lee

The reference to Stan for "Damage Control" refers to Stan the Janitor, not the real-life Lee. I also corrected the "Why I Hate Gym" reference regarding the mentioning of Irving Forbush.DanielC46 (talk) 20:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

A footnote could be added to the Stan Lee page as a source for his working methods circa 1966: where he describes the process in some detail. Thanks. 66.65.115.118 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Stephen King influenced by William Golding

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/apr/11/stephen-king-william-golding-centenary Sbrianhicks (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

http://thrillerwriters.org/join-itw/thriller-awards/past-nominees-winners/ Sbrianhicks (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Uh, I know how to insert bare URLs but I've forgotten have to do anything else. I haven't done much Misplaced Pages editing or reading in a while. Usually I can get by with just doing it occasionally but sometimes the citation police catch me.

Also is King considered a postmodern author? Under his article's categories he is listed as one but I'm not sure. If you agree he is then, if it's okay with you, I'll add that to the info box as his "movement." I hope what I just typed makes sense considering I just woke up and am half asleep ... Thanks! Sbrianhicks (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

George Pérez - New 52 Superman/Action Comics timeline

Hi, I corrected an error on the George Pérez page that you reverted. Action Comics takes place five years prior to the events depicted in Superman. You're stating that it's "five years ahead", which is inaccurate. The phrase "five years ahead" that George uses in the cited article means his Superman series occurs five years ahead of Action, not the other way around. Are you actually reading the series? The timeline in Action Comics is right when Clark arrives in Metropolis. Superman is after he's been around for a bit, after he's established and known publicly. TunaSushi (talk) 03:57, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

More Real World Discussion

Hello. On the Departed Housemates section on the main Real World article, I removed Bronne Bruzgo (The Real World: Cancun). Even after he was evicted from the ME Cancun hotel for the fire extinguisher incident, he was still allowed to visit the rest of his roommates in their suite, but not allowed to sleep there. So he never did depart. Unlike his housemate Joey Rozmus, who was evicted after his firing from the group job, or Adam Royer (The Real World: Las Vegas (2011), who was completely barred from the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino for his drunken shenanigans, even when Royer returned for that season's 12th episode. As far as Brandon Kane (The Real World: St. Thomas), I feel that it is significant enough because of the serious offense that got him evicted. DPH1110 (talk) 06:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)DPH1110

Notable people vs. Notable residents

I'm a bit agnostic on the topic, but Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline suggests that we use "Notable people" rather than "Notable people". I've never been one to slavishly adhere to a standard if it contradicts common sense as I see it, but I see no reason not to conform in this case and I have the change made automatically as I work my way through New Jersey articles. Any thoughts on the subject? Alansohn (talk) 20:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's me that "insists", rather than the guideline, but I usually figure that if there is no good reason to ignore it, why not accept it? Alansohn (talk) 21:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

John P. O'Neill

Nightscream, thank you for your input and yes, I'm a wiki rookie editor. I will learn from my mistakes. Thanks for sending me the proper procedure. Bostonlad (talk) 14:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)Bostonlad

User:68.3.67.81

Hello Nightscream, This one has become active after several months inactivity and looks to be the same editor editing in similar fashion. From the block log, you appear to be familiar with this and I thought you may want to review. Cheers,
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Spider-Man II response

I have read your response. Even if we add some info on the List of Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man story arcs, the people should still know about Miles' first encounter with Captain America and any other important events for him to come. Rtkat3 (talk) 2:16, September 12 2012 (UTC)

The Real World: St. Thomas Reunion

Yes the St. Thomas reunion did indeed air immediately after the season finale, I just forgot to include that. I have to leave for work now. DPH1110 (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2012 (UTC)DPH1110

I just added another summary involving the topics discussed. Feel free to "trim some fat" and/or make some tweaks. DPH1110 (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)DPH1110

Asking a couple of WPC admins to weigh in

WikiProject Comics Manual of Style is silent on this, but countless examples exist of comics features, such as "Tales of Asgard" in Journey into Mystery or "Iron Man" in Tales of Suspense, being in quote marks, while the title of the comic-book itself is in italics. This follows the format of songs being in quote marks and albums in italics, or short stories being in quote marks and novels or collections being in italics.

There's a conversation going on at Talk:Judge Dredd about whether the Judge Dredd feature in the anthology comic 2000 AD should be in quote marks or italics. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Anthony Godby Johnson

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Anthony_Godby_Johnson&curid=2614980&diff=513264043&oldid=512786171

I don't know how to make a header so don't need to notify me that this was not done right lol.

Anyways. You pointed out that I was wrong when I replaced "2006" with "2012" Because I had no sources.

Now, this is the sentence as It was before I corrected it, and as It is at this moment:

"In July 2006 ABC ran an update to the original 2007 story, which includes an 147-page response from Vicki Johnson's lawyer in response to ABC's questions about Steve Tarabokija."

Now, anyone with a common sense would realize that "IN JULY 2006 ABC RAN AN UPDATE TO THE ORIGINAL 2007" Makes no sense, as you can't run an update from a story that happened in the future. How the hell can ABC run an update from 2007 in July 2006?....

Maybe "2012" was not the correct answer, but I urge you to correct that illogical statement that stands as of right now.

Thank you. User:76.64.22.236 September 19, 2012

Da Vinci Code

sorry, the sources u r talkin about are in Gospel of Jesus' wife article, I haven't copie 'em yet.. --Ulisse0 (talk) 13:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Toure: Definite improvement

Thanks! I couldn't think of a concise summary. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Wayne NJ

Your history of interference on the Wayne page (among other pages) has shown that in the pursuit of what, in your opinion, constitutes Misplaced Pages standards, you have hindered the proliferation of reliable and accurate data. To me this seems to be ultimate goal of the site, although it may not be yours. Perhaps it would better suit you to edit pages about topics on which you maintain some degree of knowledge, although your spotty history has shown that this may be impossible, given your record. Since, despite your confusing devotion to Misplaced Pages, you have little to contribute in terms of valuable content, you should seek to help those who do offer knowledge, and learn to interpret the guidelines in a way which allows you to accomplish this goal. 69.118.24.248 (talk) 00:43, September 23, 2012

Johnpacklambert and poorly-sourced article creation

What article that I created are you attacking me for it not being notavble? That seems like an over-the-top attack. Also, there are many articles in wikipedia that have no in-line citiations at all. I remain unconvinced that an in-line citiation is required for every single fact in a wikipedia article. Lastly, the fact that you have attacked me for edits which involved merely altering categories to reflect what is already in the body of the article just seems over-the-top and excessive. I really am trying to figure out how to get more opinions on this matter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Robert Kirkman

Good call at Robert Kirkman. Guess it's not too hard to take a reasonable guess at who'd made that change! --Tenebrae (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The latter one.

So I got my press pass for the NYCC. Maybe we'll manage to connect and say hi this year! --Tenebrae (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Civility issue with User:217.120.23.150

Surnames in The Real World articles

Hello. I don't know if you follow The Challenge as much as The Real World, but I'm possibly headed toward an edit war with another user, regarding using a contestant's full name in the initial cast table vs. only using their screen name in an initial cast table. On the Fresh Meat II article, the aforementioned main The Challenge article and Battle of the Seasons (2012) article, a user keeps changing Christian "CJ" Koegel to "CJ Koegel," when his real first name of "Christian" can be verified. Now I don't know if this policy is explained under WP:SURNAME. I think that if a player's first name can be verified, then it should be displayed with their last name (and nickname/initials, if one is available) in its first mention. Unlike CJ, we don't know the first (non-initial) name of JD Ordoñez or MJ Garrett. What's your take regarding this situation? Thanks. DPH1110 (talk) 07:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)DPH1110

Yeah, he did the same thing to the Cancun article. The thing is, there was no citation in the cell containing his name, so I let it go, figuring I could put off the matter until later. So I looked just now at his bio in the Cancun article, and saw that one of the sources cited indeed supports his real given name. I restored it to all three articles, and added that cite. Nightscream (talk) 12:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

You are missing the point. Firstly, you and the other user continue to ignore my valid point that we do know JD's first name. It's Jesus. It's all over the Internet. Secondly, Paris is not the same. CT was credited as Chris his Real World season, then changed his on-screen credit after. CJ was always CJ on-air. This is in accordance with Wiki policy. Like J.D. Salinger, CJ Miles, and TJ Lavin. Ew0sdc (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

User:124.169.99.54 and feminisim-related article content: Revert, block, ignore

The IP most recently known as 124.169.99.54 is the latest iteration of an obsessive editor who is convinced that all feminists (and their dupes) are misandrists. His particular obsessions include articles on the Lifetime Channel, Women in Refrigerators, video game discussions, Anita Sarkeesian, and feminism itself. I've removed the discussion you tried to have with him (in which you were remarkably patient) in the Refrigerators article, on the WP:RBI principle; and I've blocked the IP address since it quacked so very loudly. I thought you deserved an explanation, of course. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Look at his editing history as User:203.206.73.28, as User:203.59.21.188, as User:124.148.247.133, as User:188.100.195.242 (same articles, same language, same obsession with "gender feminism" as "misandrist" ), to mention the four easiest to find. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:16, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Sarcastaball.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Sarcastaball.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

South Park talk page policy notice box

—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Matt Bomer photo

I don't want to drag this out on the talk page of an article. I wrote a long rebuttal of every point you made, but it isn't worth it. The oddity of this situation is that we are in complete agreement on who gets to decide which image is used, yet you seem to think otherwise. I can't control what you think, and correcting your misunderstandings looks like more work than it is worth, so I'm moving on, unless you are interested in knowing what you got wrong.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Spider-Man's powers and equipment

On the Spider-Man Powers page, I didn't put in the part that said "wrong." I was just reverting the page to a previous version to get rid of the One More Day nonsense that'd been posted there, and that was part of the original page too.69.120.192.173 (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Raising the Bar (South Park)

Hi. Please to not replace properly-worded material with slang, as you did with this edit to Raising the Bar (South Park). Misplaced Pages must be written in a formal tone, without such informal wording. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 11:39 am, Yesterday (UTC−4)

I don't know... I think it was a well-fitting exception. And what would a democratically-steered wiki be without well-fitting exceptions? --MercWithMouth (talk) 11:16, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Well... I'm pleased to see you've given this a lot of thought. MercWithMouth (talk) 17:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't take a lot of thought to know the difference between slang and non-slang. But just out of curiosity, what's with all the bullets? You a gun nut, or something? ;-)

Do a Google search on 'MercWithMouth'. Then... see here: http://imgur.com/50RUO MercWithMouth (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Phil Farrand's website, Nitcentral

You were/are on Nitcentral!?! (Just read your user page). Where you there for the Star Trek nits? If so, what nits did you come up with? I'm sure I read it! I read and still read those Star Trek books after getting them when they first came out. I like to see the first minute of an episode, figure out which one it is, then quickly scan the text in the appropriate book, and spend the rest of the espisode seeing if I can spot the identified nits. I can't believe you were one of the Nitcentral Guild!!! Those must have been some wild times. I wish I knew of it back then. I would have loved to hunt for Star Trek nits. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 04:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Dawn Marie Psaltis, revisited

Just curious, how do you 'square' the Jimbo quote I'm finding on your User page,

Seriously, anyone who puts retaining terrible content above upholding ethical and legal commitments to integrity, accuracy, and protection of a person's reputation is quite simply a massive idiot. – Misplaced Pages co-founder Jimmy Wales

with the fact that you argued at Talk:Dawn Marie Psaltis, in favor of retaining a scurrilous Youtube video accusing Dawn Marie Psaltis of fraud, plus adding a ref to a tacky wrestling blog that simply confirmed existence of the Youtube video?! While all in clear violation of BLP policy, even after this was pointed out to you (by a relative newbie, me)?! (I just couldn't help asking; please forgive. ) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI, I've responded at my Talk to your decision to attack me rather than provide an answer to the Q I posed. If you don't want to answer the Q, just say so. If you like to continue to personally attack me with accusations of being "obsessive", "child", etc., then that is an entirely different thing. To respond to my Q with personal attacks, apparently that's your idea of good Adminship?! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi. As an uninvolved editor, I'd like to suggest that perhaps taking Avanu's advice and dropping this, might be a good idea for everyone at this point. - jc37 06:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Insecurity (South Park)

Hi Nightscream. Thanks for your improvements to Insecurity (South Park). As I said several times, I was well aware that the plot summary I wrote needed help. I hope you continue to assume good faith, cheers! Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The Real World: Las Vegas

I have begun editing to The Real World: Las Vegas article, adding episode information, just as I did for the Denver article. I have already put in the episode table to save myself time from adding to it, if that's alright with you, and I'm just going to add the episode summaries after each time I watch one. I have already watched the first two episodes. I am sticking to the basic rules of editing, however, if you feel there is something wrong with my edits and they need to be corrected, feel free to do so, and I will not be offended. Arilicious (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello again. What I had meant to say regarding my most recent edit on the RW: Vegas article, was that Alton wanted to teach Irulan to handle situations better, since she and the other girls in the house had began calling Marc a molester, Alton didn't want them to get in trouble for starting rumours about someone that may not be true. Hope you understand. Arilicious (talk) 17:21, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that was what Alton said, he didn't want her or anybody spreading rumors about someone else. If you go to the reference link that I had put there, it explains it all. Arilicious (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Alton didn't want Irulan, nor the other girls, to get in trouble for starting this rumor probably because if the rumor were to have gotten bigger they all could get in trouble and Marc could lose his job? Do you get it now? That's what I got out of watching the show and reading the summary from MTV.com. Arilicious (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Because Irulan was the one that had been laying in bed with Marc, she was the one that began feeling uncomfortable, thinking he was creepy, in a molester type way, the other girls called him that, so yeah, when you think of it that way, Irulan was involved in calling him that. Arilicious (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I've been saying the whole time. And the episodes are available on the show's official website, although I think only people in the US can view them.Arilicious (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

What's Up DudeGuyManBro???!!!

I wanted to ask a few questions about your wiki Misplaced Pages status. Like, what do you get for editing Misplaced Pages? Do you get paid? What's up with the name 'Nightscream'?because it sounds a bit too awesome for Misplaced Pages, and also, what's your motivation with Misplaced Pages? With much love bra, so-me ran-dom guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.209.247 (talk) 22:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Request at WP:RFPP

Hi Nightscream, there is a unprotection request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection on a page which you gave indef semi-protected to in 2010. Would you be able to have a look at the request? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Replied to your comment on WP:RFPP. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

NY Comic Con follow-up

Hey, Night, how's is going? Did you get any new Wikipix at the NY Comic Con, or was it just people you've shot already?

I have a question. An editor with whom I had a contentious relationship — including his going through all my talk-page posts to put together clues to my identity, leading to an admin warning him about that sanctions that would follow "outing" another editor — has left me a talk-page message asking my opinion on an article that I, along with others, have edited. We've asked each other not to contact other another. I honestly don't know if he's trying to make peace or to initiate contact for some other reason that would make me regret re-engaging with him. (He's removed all his talk-page posts regarding me, and I don't want to stir things up by linking to old, deleted content, preferring to let water go under the bridge.)

I don't want to be impolite toward a gesture of good will, if it's genuine, but engaging with someone you shouldn't engage with isn't a good idea, either. I'm not quite sure why he feels he has to ask me this particular question rather than making what seems an innocuous edit. Any advice you might give, I'd appreciate. My goodness; have you ever run across anything like this? With regards, Tenebrae (talk) 23:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Saga (comic book)

You have initiated an individual reassessment for Saga (comic book), but I think you meant for it to be a community one. I had a quick look at it anyway and just have a few points to make. While you are right that reviewers are not infallible gospel and can be questioned, they are also volunteers within this volunteer project. They are in essence doing nominators a favour by reviewing the articles and are under no obligation to accept your questioning or continue a review they are no longer interested in. If it is a persistent problem then they can be brought to the talk page where advice and bans have been handed out before. However, Malleus is a long term reviewer and one of the most productive and capable reviewers in the project so I doubt anything would come of it. While it is a shame you two fell out he was within his rights to abandon the review.

As to the article you can put it up for a community reassessment (an individual one won't work as the person who initiated it is supposed to close it and you obviously can not close your own nomination). However, reassessment is not the best way to deal with poor or incomplete reviews. If there was a specific aspect of the criteria that was being debated then we can help out, but we don't generally conduct full reviews (that is what WP:GAN is for). It is up to you, but if you go through the community process chances are it will be closed with advice to renominate. My suggestion would be to bite the bullet and renominate it now. Another reviewer will eventually take it up and Malleus's comments will be present in the article history template for them peruse. Either way you should probably delete the Talk:Saga (comic book)/GA2 page. AIRcorn (talk) 05:24, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Jean-Claude Van Damme

Thanks for correcting me and pointing out my mistakes--Paniraja (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I will. Thanks again!--Paniraja (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Legendary Pictures

Hi Nightscream! You put a link to Commons:Category:Legendary Pictures on Legendary Pictures (this edit). However, the category seems to be empty. Was there a purpose for this that I am not understanding? Regards, – Zntrip 01:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, makes sense now. Thanks! – Zntrip 02:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Alejandra Pizarnik Suicide

Hi! I saw your message. I added a new source for the suicide of Pizarnik. Please check it and let me know if I did something wrong. Thanks.Maga.de.noche (talk) 22:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Mitt Romney's 2011 FEMA Comments in Hurricane Sandy

Hi Night, with all respect intended, this is from 2011 and about FEMA. When I put something in there about last year, an editor took it out and said, it was last year...even though I thought it had weight to be put in the article like evidently you did. I just think it's too political for an article that is supposed to be about a hurricane. Would think what you had would be great in the FEMA section under something like controversies. I just don't want a beautiful piece of work like the Sandy article to be bogged down with any kind of political stuff. That's why I didn't want global warning in it. I believe in climate change, but that's not the point. One can speculate all they want about IF warming caused anything at any time. That still won’t make it fact. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be unleaning and with your entry, I believe it leans, even if romney said it. Respectfully Submitted. Kennvido (talk) 09:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Zombie

Sorry, I clicked the wrong button, and reverted your image. I meant to add that there was no indication that it had anything to do with the contents of the article. Serendious 13:14, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I meant the lack of an edit summary. And I am sure that the image is germane to the topic; however, it is outside the scope of the article, which mentions none of those people. Serendious 20:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

There are two main problems I have: 1. article creep. This article is about voodoo zombies, not "Romero" zombies, and there shouldn't be any reference to them beyond the single paragraph that already exists. If you feel the need to add the image, it would be better placed in Zombie (fictional), which is about "Romero" zombies. 2. How is an image of a group of people not mentioned in the article meant to aid or educate the reader? It means nothing out of context, and it is completely out of context. Serendious 21:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The other three paragraphs are about voodoo zombies in popular culture, not Romero zombies. I think the image fits well in Zombie (fictional), though its text could probably be better placed in the main body, assuming it survives the Red Pen of Doom. Serendious 21:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Asgardian

Hi Nightscream. This IP user 24.1.246.28 asked me if I thought these two IP's were Asgardcian, . Any thoughts on any of it? Hiding T 16:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Todd Beamer

The citation I used does mention Todd Beamer. You just have to click on 2002 and it says Todd Beamer explicitly. 108.1.98.138 00:00, November 11, 2012

Protection of Bayonne

The article for Bayonne, New Jersey is currently hard protected against editing by any non-administrator until October 7, 2013, due to persistent vandalism. I'm not sure that there ever were enough edits to the article to justify persistent vandalism, as the article had only 2 edits in October, 8 in September and 4 in August, which would hardly seem to justify a block. It would seem that the current block should either be ended or significantly limited in scope so that legitimate edits can be made to the article. Alansohn (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for making the protection change. I mostly updated and tweaked, but take a look at the article with a good Hudson County perspective. Alansohn (talk) 01:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Your behavior at Talk:A Scause for Applause, SPI

Thanks for your follow up at Talk:A Scause for Applause, here. I am concerned, however, about your lack of civility and your sarcasm - you are better than that, and a perusal of your past edits implies that this sort of reply is simply beneath you. Compare your attitude on that page with your RfA: I always try to conduct myself with logic and reason, and without responding to uncivil behavior by others with similar behavior on my part... walk the talk man. As a reminder, article talk pages are for discussion of content, not editors. You seemed annoyed at me attempting to shift the conversation on the article talk page back towards the article which I still view as the appropriate course of action; I think there was a missed opportunity there for face-saving and deescalation between you and the other editor. As an admin, you should commit to going above and beyond with respect to behavior, a concept with which I think you agree. Thank you for considering my feedback, and I look forward to working with you again in the future.

On a tangentially related note, your input is invited at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Hearfourmewesique. VQuakr (talk) 00:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

VQuakr (talk) 06:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Lazenby

Hi Nightscream, I was quoting the previous editor and (although I agree with him) I appreciate the comment regarding notability. It does, however, seem to fail WP:WEIGHT in my opinion. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Our South Park friend

Isn't the username a clear violation of policy (under disruptive or offensive)? BusterD (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You aren't very welcoming to new editors, BusterD. Also, YOUR username offends ME.O. long johnson (talk) 03:19, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

How to Cite a web video

I read up on citing sources, yet I am still confused...

I know that I need to place an inline citation using a ref tag. But the only example is for a book. How exactly would I type one for "Film, TV, or video recording"? Where do I place each piece of information (and the URL) in the string of code? Birdy29 (talk) 07:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WIKIINK listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Misplaced Pages:WIKIINK. Since you had some involvement with the Misplaced Pages:WIKIINK redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Neutral notice

There is a discussion involving WikiProject Comics at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Grand Comics Database that may be of interest to you. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Nicole Atkins: Neptune City vs. Neptune Township

All of New Jersey's paired municipalities pose issues in distinguishing between two municipalities with nearly identical names, especially when sources are usually ambiguous in distinguishing between the two. I couldn't be any gladder that the two Princetons are consolidating, not least because it has been impossible to determine in which one of the two the notables live. I'll grant you that Danny Devito might well be from Neptune Township, New Jersey -- not Neptune City, New Jersey -- despite the fact that the source moved from the city article to the one for the township says that "DeVito was born in Neptune, N.J." But Nicole Atkins has been a bizarre case. There have been other battles about her residence, with you putting forth the position (joined by others) that she wrote an album title "Neptune City", but that she is from Neptune Township. The biggest problem here is that the source you moved from the city article to the township article (see this edit) says rather clearly that "Nicole Atkins, from Neptune City, N.J., is a marvelously talented fantasist..." This source, from The New York Times, seems to be rather clear in refering to a place of residence, not a title of an album. As I have in the past, I searched for sources supporting her residence in Neptune Township in Google / News / Archives and found none. Nor can I figure out why no source has ever mentioned the discrepancy between the album title and her place of residence, which seems to be an obvious way to go for any one covering her and trying to find an angle. As I see it -- solely based on the source provided -- she is from Neptune City. Your edit summaries of "She is from Neptune TOWNSHIP, NJ, not Neptune City." and "Wrong. She's from Neptune Township, not Neptune City. The cited source does not indicate that the album's title is necessarily a reference to where she is from." simply state what you believe to be correct without any evidence to support the claim or explain the discrepancy. I don't have any reason to believe that you are wrong, but the absence of a source to rebut the rather clear statement in the source provided is problematic, at a minimum. As I see it, the entry for Atkins as a notable should stay in the Neptune City article based on the strength of the source, until and unless other strong sources can be identified that establishes her residence in Neptune Township. Do you have any ideas on how to deal with this, or any better sources to settle the issue? Alansohn (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

I'm calling on your powers as an admin with anti-vandalism experience and familiarity with the comics world, and because we've often edited some of the same stuff on Misplaced Pages. There's an editor, Dominusexmachina, who is demonstrating some irksome ownership issues at Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes by insisting on some edits that introduce grammar errors. This mostly involves the use of "composed" vs. "comprised" (I share Giraffedata's frustration with this problem), but it also involves the occasional incorrect comma placement and other minor issues. I have reverted these errors numerous times, and even left a polite (if exasperated) explanation on the user's talk page, but he appears determined to institute language he wants, regardless of its incorrectness, by reverting my fixes either under his username or under a couple of IP addresses (editing under the IPs completely matches the editing of Dominusexmachina and totally passes the quack test ). Most of their edits appear to be perfectly constructive but involve lots of minor wordsmithing rather than genuine contributions, which is why this feels like WP:OWN.

At this point, since the editor has ignored the warning on his talk page, doesn't use edit summaries, and is consistently reverting corrections that I and other editors have made to incorrect grammar and mechanics, it'd be helpful to have an admin weigh in and intervene as necessary.

Sorry to trouble you with what seems like minor stuff, but I'll admit I've gotten irritated with this editor's refusal to cooperate or collaborate. Thanks. Grandpallama (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in, and Happy Holidays to you, as well! Grandpallama (talk) 17:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Although he now appears to be leaving composed/comprised alone, he's still at it, reverting to his preferred version regardless of its correctness (or lack thereof). Grandpallama (talk) 15:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Jamal Igle

Jamal Igle is listed on the DC Comics website as the colorist on a number of their titles, listed on his profile page.http://www.dccomics.com/talent/jamal-igle 24.90.206.78 (talk) 22:56, November 28, 2012‎

Mike Lilly

Hello, my name is Mike Lilly. I tried to update my Misplaced Pages listing and all of it got rejected. I'm the actual comic book artist Mike Lilly. The information that was deleted was substituted with inaccurate information. My email is mikelillyart@gmail.com How can inaccurate information be given but not from the actual artist themselves? All the information I provided is accurate and true. You can look up any of those credits and see my name attached as the actual artist. How can I put up an accurate listing if the best source is the artist themselves? Like for example you said my award was not something that could be verified? I have it hanging on my wall. Do I have to go and contact the actual award people who handed it to me at the ceremony? Would a picture of the award suffice? And again, how can the listing for me on the site (which is inaccurate, lot's of credits left out acceptable but not mine, the actual artist?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.93.125 (talk) 05:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Goes to the Movies in NYC this Saturday Dec 1

You are invited to Misplaced Pages Goes to the Movies in NYC, an editathon, Misplaced Pages meet-up and workshops focused on film and the performing arts that will be held on Saturday, December 1, 2012, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and at meetup.com!--Pharos (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Flash mob

The community decided to exclude examples from the article flash mob to bring it in line with articles such as protest, fire, performance, etc. While there have been many notable flash mobs, protests, fires, and performances, examples are explicitly excluded as the same found in most encyclopedia's. If the event itself is notable enough for inclusion then a separate sub-article can be written about it. The reason the first flash mobs are included are because they are directly linked with the founding of it. Various discussions of this can be found in the archival talk pages of the article. Lastly, its arguable that the big bang "flash mob" wasn't really a flash mob. The fact that it was a part of the show and created for it and by professionals do not meet the definition directly. For example, a protest on a television series and a protest in real life are very different. Just like an episode made to look like a flash mob and an actual flash mob are very different things. Mkdw 20:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Your message

Hi, I just noticed you left me a message back in August, to which I never replied. My apologies. I was on a wikibreak for about a year-and-a-half, and only popped in briefly a few times. Your message concerned Ancestry.com, and discussion about whether it is a reliable source. If that hasn't been sorted yet, please let me know and I'll contribute my thoughts. (I assume it's been settled though.) I certainly do not regard that site as a reliable source. The only exception is that the site excerpts entries (which they've obviously paid for) from the Oxford Dictionary of American Family Surnames, which is, as the title suggests, a highly reliable source. Other than that, nothing on Ancestry is remotely reliable, in my opinion. Again, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Best regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks much for letting me know, and Happy Holidays to you and yours as well! :) MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Diallo Shooting

Sorry about the unsourced edit and grammar error. I was doing multiple things at once and was going to come back to the page but never did. At any rate it's been fixed now. I want you to know that I didn't mean to upset anybody or undermine Misplaced Pages. My intention was to improve the site, even if that's not the effect my actions had. Again, sorry. Have a good one. 141.161.119.250 (talk) 15:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Corey Clark

Nightscream, should the fact that Clark is suing MTV be listed under legal troubles? Seems to me that would be more of a legal remedy for Clark than a trouble. This at the very least is an indication that what Clark has been saying for so many years may actually have some substance to it do you agree? Should I create a new section for legal remedies? Please advise since it seems you have an extensive knowledge of the subject and look to be pretty invested in the tailoring of the article about him as well. 98.240.97.139 (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Pawn Stars episode order

hi nightscream, they may have aired it wrong, but if you go back and rewatch the episodes (history website when they put it up or if you have on demand) you will see chumlee reference in the video game deal, about his real life skills of shooting guns on the show. And they include the clip from the PREIVOUS episode of the hat bet. Therefore it would be after the episode not before.

Sylvia Browne

You twice deleted an addition to the Sylvia Browne page saying: "The words "Obama" and "re-elected" don't even appear anywhere on that page."

The first time I thought it was an error. The second time, I'm wondering if you lying about either looking at the article or undertanding it.

From http://www.goerieblogs.com/news/writersblock/2011/10/my-and-sylvia-browne-2012-predictions/ :

Here are some of her predictions:

1) President Obama will not get re-elected. While not a fan, she favored Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts.

That is the third paragraph of the article. You can use control F to find the word "Obama."

Please take the time to read the article before deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbeenPP (talk • contribs) 20:56, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I added the Erie Times-News source. I'm not adding the ABC News page. It was there before. Your sloppy removal messed up the tags.

Please take some time and look 1) at what's being added before you remove it and 2) look at what you removed. AbbeenPP (talk) 22:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN

While it may be "commonly done" for an article to claim that a person is "known for" or "best known for"; without a source stating that the person is "known for" or "best known for", it is WP:OR and not allowed by policy. An actors appearance in a movie can verify that the actor appeared in the movie. But that is all it can verify. and that is what my phrasing does. An actors appearance in the movies most assuredly cannot verify that the person is "known" for that role. and no, I do not plan on setting on a quest to remove the 60,000 improper articles, but i will fix any articles that make such unsupported claims when I come across them. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

There is a GREAT difference between saying "He appeared in X" and "He is known for his role in X".

Ian McKellen appeared in Lady Grey London, but to state that "Ian McKellenis known for his appearance in Lady Grey London." is not a claim that is verifiable solely by his appearance in that production. In fact such a claim would be a complete fallacy, despite the fact that McKellen is certainly in Lady Grey London . Without a third party reliable source making the claim that a person is "known for" a role, such claims should not be in Misplaced Pages articles and cannot be restored without a source that supports the claim. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

If you still believe that there is no semantic difference between "he appeared in " and "he is known for" and think that the mere appearance in a movie is sufficient verification for the claim that McKellenis known for his appearance in Lady Grey London you may take whatever steps you feel are necessary to convince you otherwise. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I spotted this discussion, and, while I agree with you that the phrasing is common, I'm going to take RPoD's side that it actually is a WP:OR violation, especially in the variation "best known for ...". Simply saying that the person "appeared" in the works in question is infinitely preferable. There's no judgement being made about impact or notability. I'd like to see the "known for" terminology scrubbed out of our leads.—Kww(talk) 21:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Would you say that that reflects the community? Nightscream (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the issue has ever come up. It certainly represents the letter and spirit of WP:OR, so I would never revert an editor that changed "known for" to "appeared in". It's one of those stylistic quirks that got copied from some of our early articles until it took root as a part of the common Misplaced Pages style. The phrasing has never bothered me enough to go for an RFC on the topic, but I'd be willing to bet that the community could be persuaded to see it as a WP:OR violation. Technically, it's a WP:BLP violation, so any editor that makes that change has a pretty good foundation for claiming that he is free to ignore consensus based on the overwhelming power that screaming "WP:BLP!" always lends to what should be a routine editorial decision.—Kww(talk) 21:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

• Though I am not active any more because of that kind of matters. My question is that, when some phrase or passage has to be figure out, and result is "known for" or any thing els, how can be that WP:OR?. There is also a policy use common sense or ignore all rules. We should not apply the policy I do not like it. I understand the piont of Nightscream.-Justice007 (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Appreciation for your excellent copy-editing last night on the True Grit (2010 film) article  –  – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 08:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Iron Man's armor

The term "arc reactor" has not been used in the comics, yet. But has the same functions (generator of repulsor energy) and design of the one from the movie, also, Stark no longer possesses the Extremis virus in his body, he lost it during Secret Invasion. BTW, I've been contributing to Misplaced Pages since a long time, more than 3 years, I guess, but I stayed away for sometime focusing on the Marvel Wikia, of which I've become an admin recently. --Dourron (talk) 22:08, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Free rein

I certainly won't revert your removal of the indefinite article from "a free rein" at Peter David; but sources as respectable as Oxford and Collins regard the use of the article as an acceptable option. Ammodramus (talk) 14:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

BOZ (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

What can I say? Our old buddy BOZ had a great idea! --Tenebrae (talk) 16:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Holiday wishes, hope you are having a great holiday as well.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy Happy Joy Joy

Season's Greetings, Nightscream! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD | Talk 19:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

• Also best wishes for your 2013 and happy editing whenever possible :-) MarnetteD | Talk 19:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

True Grit

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Doctor Octopus

whoah! 24.12.74.21 (talk) 06:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

How else can people know his different plots if some of the television shows he was in doesn't have a character page? Also, "Updating history" and Updating media appearance" were my common Edit Summary comments outside of "Creating new page" and "Do you have proof of the information I just removed." What comment do you want me to replace the former two with? Rtkat3 (talk) 10:52, December 26 2012 (UTC)

How will this help with my last question? Rtkat3 (Rtkat3) 11:46, December 27 2012 (UTC)

So you want me to go with "Adding detail to history" and "Adding detail to media appearance" then! Outside of that, the Wikias already have their common drop-down details which can be chosen to go with the submitted info. Maybe Misplaced Pages will do that someday alongside the Message Walls that replaced the talk pages on Wikia. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:27, December 26 2012 (UTC)

Well then have a Happy New Year too. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:51, December 26 2012 (UTC)

I tried to get him to break down this edit so I could actually follow what he was doing (even explained myself on the article talk page) but I wound up giving up out of frustration. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 19:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Sorry I've been out of touch this last week. Thanks for the nice greeting. BusterD (talk) 23:51, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Ultimate Spider-Man-response

I was only trying to spice up the plot by mentioning who makes up the Avengers in that show as the reference lists who makes it up as well as mentioning on what Norman Osborn and Doctor Octopus were making plans on the capture of Spider-Man. Rtkat3 (Rtkat3) 11:06, December 31 2012 (UTC)

I understand what you just wrote. I'm now asking how you and I can make an improvement on the first season's main plot before Season Two debuts. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:21, December 31 2012 (UTC)

I understand what you just wrote just now. I was also mentioning about getting the first season's main plot modified before Season Two debuts next month. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:30 December 31 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean on your user contributions page with the different edit summary comments. I'll figure out a way to make common versions of the specific brief summaries by the time 2013 starts tomorrow. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:50, December 31 2012 (UTC)

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Comic characters categories

When you created Wikimedia Commons categories such as Category:Blade and his cast, Category:Hulk and his cast, Category:Iron Man and his cast, and so on, what did the phrase "and his cast" mean? — O'Dea (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Photo

I wish that I'd taken that picture, but it came from a photographer I've been in contact with for several years now. He's provided hundreds of photos to Misplaced Pages, and they seem to improve in quality each year. I have a DLSR and highly recommend it. I'm just never in situations where I'd get to photograph celebrities... --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 17:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

That looks like it would be a lot of fun, great job on adding that many photos! I did go to Comic-Con this year, but only for a couple of hours and didn't make it to any of the panels. I believe GageSkidmore has a press pass for the event and he gets some really great photos from the panels. I usually only photograph other events I go to, but haven't really uploaded that much of my own photos recently. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 18:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Mind MGMT

I'm hoping to get this article up to GA or better quality, and any help or suggestions you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Argento Surfer (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Ha, no. Just a happy coincidence. If I'd been following all those, I'd've asked sooner! Argento Surfer (talk) 21:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all the suggestions! Argento Surfer (talk) 14:27, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Dan Brown

Sorry, what's the problem here? Brown's book is listed on Amazon, with a release date of May 2013. Why are you challenging something so basic? Sources of course need to be provided for information that is challenged, but this seems an odd thing to issue an "Original Research" warning for. --Elonka 06:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Fight of the Century

Thank you for your instructions on sourcing and citations, I found them to be most helpful, and will do my best to follow them in the future.

The quotation that you removed from the Fight of the Century page was not taken from an Ali-Frazier I Film, but rather a documentary entitled Thriller in Manila which documented the entirety of the Ali-Frazier saga. The quotation cited was read by the narrator, Liev Schreiber, and takes place in the first 45 seconds of the clip that can be found at the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IbTi9ZUPbE Thank you again for your help. LawrenceJayM 06:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)06:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)06:52, 17 January 2013 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by LawrenceJayM (talk • contribs)

Ira Flatow

I see that you recently worked on Ira Flatow. I was listening to Science Friday, which took me to his article. I decided to source all of the information in it. I removed some early life stuff because it was in none of the sources in the article and I could find nothing on the Internet to verify it. I rewrote a number of the sentences because they were copy and pasted from sources. I think now, at least, all of the information in it is verified by reliable sources.--I am One of Many (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Asgardian_appeal

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#BASC:_Asgardian_appeal. As you were involved in edit wars with Asgardian you may be interested in commenting. SilkTork 00:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Well done. It's a shame anybody has to remember where to find all those examples of A's past behavior in order to link them. Your comments on his talk page were smart and showed either a great memory or a great ability to hunt that junk down. Best wishes. Doczilla _STOMP! 07:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Footnote

After being away for about a week, I've responded to your followup on the footnote location issue on my talk page. I'm not going to revert you on the article right now...but it seems to me that the guideline you yourself cited seems to support my version. Let me know what you think. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:58, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Gene the Dean

Thanks for the head's up. Man, I had a typo in every one of those three cites! Hoping you're well and shutterbugging away! --Tenebrae (talk) 02:26, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Holy fuck. I am so, so sorry to hear that. But data-recovery guys, they're good. Even after stuff gets deleted, a lot of it stays on the hard drive somehow. I hope they retrieve it. And y'know, external hard drives for backup are really cheap these days — I got a 2 terrabtye drive for about $200 like four or five years ago, and you can probably get four times that memory for the same price now. (I'm not wild about storing my stuff on the cloud, though I do for some stuff.) Fingers crossed for you, buddy. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank goodness for family! --Tenebrae (talk) 03:19, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Ultimate Spider-Man-related

Hey Nightscream, have you noticed that the episode list for Ultimate Spider-Man is on view source mode due to an edit war. This prevents me from correcting the link to Rhino. I have enjoyed the Season Two premiere episodes which featured Lizard and Electro (who was revealed in the credits to be voiced by Christopher Daniel Barnes). The episode debuting that show's version of Rhino is going to be tomorrow. If you have seen the two episodes this past Monday, what do you think of them? Rtkat3 (talk) 4:00, January 26 2013 (UTC)

The C in "comics" has been capitalized when it should be lower-cased. I think the episode page should be under it's semi-protected page so that the contributers can add more details to the episodes. Especially when it comes to detailing the upcoming episode featuring Rhino. Rtkat3 (talk) 4:30, January 26 2013 (UTC)

Semi-Protected so that registered users can go on that page while the anonymous can't. Does that help with your question? Rtkat3 (talk) 4:55, January 26 2013 (UTC)

You're right about the edit war that LoveWaffle was involved in with an anonymous user. The administrator DeltaQuad was the one who put the page on View Source mode in the first place. Rtkat3 (talk) 5:33, January 26 2013 (UTC)

I have just seen your recent work there. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:33, January 26 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Star Trek into Darkness

Hi, Night. You or another admin might want to stop by Star Trek into Darkness. Though every mainstream periodical from Time to The New York Times, plus the filmmakers themselves, spells it in non-standard form with a capital I ("Star Trek Into Darkness"), editors on the talk page reached a compromise that opens the article with "Star Trek into Darkness" (styled as "Star Trek Into Darkness)."

Virtually every editor on the talk page was willing to go with that compromise solution in order to reach stability and peace. Exactly one editor disagrees, and against consensus doesn't want to allow the compromise. I wouldn't ask for help during the debate over lowercase/uppercase "into," but now that a consensus compromise has been reached and one editor is trying to wreck it, I thought it'd be good to get an admin's opinion. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't have said it better myself. I know — it's lunacy. Probably if you go to the section titled "Actually..." and go down from there you'll get the gist. Believe me, I'm embarrassed to ask, but given all the sturm und drang I think a lot of people there just want to have some peace and move on. Oy! --Tenebrae (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

As indeed I'd already done; despite the length of the thread, it was mostly only about a half-dozen people involved. I dunno — I've always gotten the impression Misplaced Pages encourages compromise and discourages absolutistism on contentious issues. One editor trying to veto a compromise that even five editors want doesn't seem right to me. Still and all, it's important that a sensible admin outside the discussion be aware, especially given the high-profile subject. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I was looking at the most frequent and involved recent commenters — the discussion had gone on since at least Dec. 11 — so I probably should have been clearer that I was talking about the editors currently involved. As you note, quite rightly, eight or nine people supporting a compromise and one against would seem a consensus.

You admirably examined the page with more detail than I did, and we ultimately reached the same, I believe sensible, conclusion. Ay yi yi — or should I say, "I I I" ~!   --Tenebrae (talk) 19:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Dude! Have you seen what's going on at (what is now, at least) Star Trek Into Darkness? Apparently a couple of websites latched on to the debate and made satirical hay out of it. It is pretty freaking hilarious! And just think — we were there in the beginning!   : )   --Tenebrae (talk) 03:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Just read the Australian article (which was very well and veyr knowledgeably written; seems Andrew Ramadge is quite a respected tech and music journalist), and ... wow, just ... wow! What a great read.

Green or not, you did good then. You did exactly what someone needed to do. And I think you did the right thing again at the Trek article, leaving the compromise version up that, ultimately, gave people a choice on the article page itself. I don't envy all the extra work an admin takes on, having to make Solomonic decisions in often moronic arguments (and smart arguments, too — I just couldn't resist the rhyming parallel!). My hat is off to you, bro'. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

You're admirably humble, and while I'm sure a lot of it is the type of housekeeping you note, that's still a lot of work. I've said consistently through the years that you guys deserve a lot of credit for taking on the extra burden. (I wish I were more selfless in that regard, though I do put in much time helping, I think, to better this altruistic 💕,) --Tenebrae (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Ultimate Spider Man And LoveWaffle

hey m8 can you plz tell that stupid lovewaffle guy to stop removing my info as vandalism and unsourced stuff when they clearly are sourced and not vandalism's if you can plz do it coz it will be a big help. i've been putting info to that page since s01 and never had to deal with a jerk like this guy :( 175.157.1.119 (talk) 04:13, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk: Star Trek Into Darkness

I appreciate that you thought that you were doing the right thing when you refactored my titled thread but, as an admin, you are aware of the inherently problematic issues surrounding refactoring the posts of others. You claimed that you did so to make it less uncivil. However, your altered title did not reflect the frustration inherent in the post that I felt with an overly stupid stalemate as to grammar and spelling use. I have been here in Misplaced Pages a while and know what I am doing. My post was designed to accomplish three very specific tasks. First among them was to embarrass and shame the crap out of a small group of editors engaged in a protracted and utterly WP:LAME edit-war over whether a single word in the title should be capitalized or not. The second purpose of the admittedly provocative title and post was to dislodge the loggerhead of polarized views and bring about a solution. Thirdly was to discover where the sources of polarity where originating. I think there is little doubt as to who those agents of polarity are now. I actually knew who one of them was before I even posted, as I had dealt with their behavior before. Shining a light on their behavior was just a bonus.
I do not appreciate any refactoring of my posts; at least, not without contacting me first, so I can address the matter or at least explain via email my intent. I know you had the best intentions in refactoring my subject title, but I would ask you to make more of an effort to talk to me before you do so, in the future. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

And I would appreciate you not characterize my action as admitting to incivility; it was no such thing. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Btw, I apologize for taking up space on your talk page with the Shiney bit. I don't have that many buttons to push (at least, not that many that are easily accessible), but Shiney managed to push some of them. I should have simply withdrawn or boarded it after the first request to stop. Again, sorry. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I too apologise for the back and forth on your page. MisterShiney ✉ 19:42, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all

You were nice enough to let me know in a straightforward, constructive way ... and hey, you are a buddy!

I'm amazed the IPs appear to originate in different states since the first two numbers and the edit were identical; makes me wonder if it's some computer whiz (this is the King of the Nerds article, after all) who used proxies or packets or whatever they call those things to prevent IP addresses from being easily traced.

I'll try the level-1 image next time there's a similar situation. Thanks, NS! With regards,-- Tenebrae (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The Courtier's Reply

There seem to be problems with The Courtier's Reply, see also Talk:The Courtier's Reply In sorting these problems I think I need help from Wikipedians who are more familiar with the very complex rules and guidelines here than I am. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I note you spent nearly 2 hours sorting out The Courtier's Reply, thanks. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Given that the Courtier's reply is itself a controversial subject, I do not believe I acted wrongly in giving an objection to it. JHobson2 (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Now I understand. If someone else had come up with that objection, it would be OK to post it. Since I came up with it, it is not. JHobson2 (talk) 12:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

As I said, you say it was wrong for me to voice an objection to the Courtier's Reply. Had I quoted someone else, you would apparently have no objection. Or is it because I came up with a legitimate objection the PZ Myer's opinion, and you wanted no contrary opinion voiced? You seem to be very hot and bothered because of my contribution. What actually is wrong with it? JHobson2 (talk)

In other words, because the detailed discourses of Count Roderigo of Seville on the Courtier's Reply do not contain the objection I raised, it is to be thrown out. What I would really like to know is EXACTLY WHAT ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE OBJECTION I RAISED? Be specific. You natter about "original research" and "opinions" -- although the Courtier's Reply is itself an opinion, based on a belief that theology is completely worthless -- but you have said nothing whatsoever on the CONTENT of what I wrote. JHobson2 (talk) 18:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I think we are at an impasse here. I raised an objection to the Courtier's Reply, you shriek "Original Research!" and immediately revert my objection. You flatly refuse to consider the objection on its merits. No, ideological purity must supercede any comment. My statement was not found in the detailed discourses of Count Roderigo of Seville on the Courtier's Reply, so it must be cast into outer darkness, without thought about whether it is a reasonable objection or not. Fine, I bow to your desire that Misplaced Pages be unsullied by inexpert opinion. JHobson2 (talk) 12:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I have just read Terry Eagleton's review of Dawkins' The God Delusion in the London Review of Books at http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n20/terry-eagleton/lunging-flailing-mispunching He raises the same objection that I raised: Dawkins' ignorance of theology is inexcusable, and Dawkins would not accept similar ignorance in any other field. Thus, EAGLETON agrees with my objection to the Courtier's Reply. Is that expert enough for you? JHobson2 (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Jonathan Frid

Hi. I just noticed this was taken off the article on Mr. Frid. Any reason on why? I put a lot of heart into what I do on here. http://www.hamiltonnews.com/news/remembering-jonathan-frid/ Hired Ghoul (talk) 00:33, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Martin Freeman

Hi, thanks for the advice on the edit I had made, I've re-made it, and have used a source, I used the template to make it, and I'm not entirely sure what some of the fields mean, such as the "first name" field; could you please explain them if you have time? Thanks, Meeeeeeee39 (talk) 07:20, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Neutral notice

As a veteran WikiProject Comics editor, you're invited to a discussion at Talk:Marvel ReEvolution#Merger proposal. --Tenebrae (talk) 10:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Short film style guides

I don't know where you got the idea that short films are quoted rather than italicized, but this is not the case. Per Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (films), "film titles, like the titles of books and other works of art, are always italicized." Please do not change these again. MikeWazowski (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Itzkoff, Dave

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Secaucus, New Jersey

I am sorry that I am still amking mistakes. All the info I listed is confirmed in the attaced source.. I dont understand. I guess if you are a novice a wikipidia, then you have nothing of importance to add? Just a little help here? Weinhack (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)]]

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WP:BLPPRIMARY and Gene Colan

I'm not sure how that part of the BLP policy applies to Colan, since he is deceased? 129.33.19.254 (talk) 20:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Mark Bingham

Can someone explain this aversion to crediting the AUTHORS of sources? Or why the access date is indicated but not the publication date, which is far more important

I don't have an aversion at all, just making mistakes that a new contributor / editor / WikiGnome novice should be
RobinInTexas (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Saga (comic)

While I appreciate your concern for vandalism, you have mistaken my edit for vandalism. But Urban Fantasy is a genre, and I believe that it's a genre the Saga comics fit in very well and would be a better way to describe them in the article besides the generic term of just Fantasy. 98.236.11.198 (talk) 04:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Accessdate/publication date

I saw your edit summary on Ray Comfort, and I'm wondering why you think that accessdate is only needed when there's no publication date? Date of access is required in both MLA and APA citation format; why wouldn't you think we should use it here? I do agree that we should add publication date when available, but I think that accessdate should always be used for internet sources. The point is that you're declaring to the reader (here or in an academic paper), "I'm citing what I read on the page as of such and such a date, but due to the ability for stuff on the internet to change, it's possible the page was different either before or after I accessed it." Qwyrxian (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Celeste Anderson

First, I want to thank you for your expertise in the Misplaced Pages style, and your will to contribute so much of your time into improving Misplaced Pages articles. You can probably tell that I'm an inexperienced Misplaced Pages editor, so excuse my naivety. Second, I was wondering about an edit summary note you posted, "spaces go before cite, not after." I'm not quite sure what you meant by that so if you could show me, that would be great. Thanks. Kyudan2 (talk) 19:29, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

An edit I made to this page was reversed due to "not providing sources". And that "personal knowledge" is not an accepted source. My question then becomes, I can't edit my own page with my own knowledge? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.178.219 (talk) 22:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Scott Allie

I agree with you that the image first provided by Scott Allie was not an improvement, even if he preferred it. I requested that he provide a better image, which he has done. I hope you agree. See more at Talk:Scott_Allie#Image_choice.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Bill Biggart

This is my last warning about your deletes without discussion. If you have a problem with material I have added, talk first. If you do not stop, I will report you for edit warring. Crtew (talk) 14:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

If you have a problem with material I have added, talk first. Wrong. If you want to add material in an article that isn't about that article subject, which violates both policy and basic, common sense guidelines about good article writing, then it is you who has to justify doing so to the rest of the editing community, and only after the discussion to that effect has concluded. Given your apparent ignorance of various policies and guidelines, you have zero authority or credibility to be issuing warnings to anyone, any more than you have to be giving orders to other editors, as you did repeatedly on the Biggart talk page. But if you really think that another admin will look upon your behavior kindly, then be my guest and "report" me all you want. Nightscream 16:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Nightscream,

Go ahead and clean it up and I'll be fine with your edits. It's good that we both care about the article and about raising its quality! That's what's most important. More people should know about Biggart and what he accomplished. Good luck, Crtew (talk) 09:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your talk section

Hello there, there must have been a mistake in here, but I don't remember ever talking to you, or ever editing Bill Biggart or its talk page (or else you removed my edits from the log), and yes, if I have warned you, in fact you probably engaged into a edit war and I'm well aware of its policy, when two, three or more editors engage into edit war it is customary to notify the relevant parts and proceed to 3RR noticeboard. And wikipedia is based on consensus, if someone edits something, a resolution must be followed, so if there is ever a problem with anything I do, please tell me or talk to me. I'm going to appreciate your feedback. Eduemoni 16:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Nightscream, are you sure your comment on my talk page was directly forwarded to me, I'm still confused of what wrong I have done. Eduemoni 17:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, lol, you really scared me, I could put that on village stocks tho, anyway, that made me lol. Regards Eduemoni 17:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Scott Allie

I weighed in, but these things keep growing more awkward for me. I organized a Comic-Con panel with Scott. I'd have stayed out of it rather than dropping names (because that could get old), but the photo I'd have picked for a stranger just doesn't look as much like him. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 09:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Contradiction

Just curious, doesn't your user quote contradict your vehement protection of pages for "internet famous" people you happen to like? 24.114.252.242 (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Consensus proposal on Bill Biggart

Nightscream, If you can agree to get rid of any reference of the word ONLY in Bill Biggart or any appearance that he was the single media-related death, then I think I'm willing to come to a consensus. I just can't stand to think of the word ONLY there or the appearance of it while 7 other people are forgotten. That's my only motive here. But if you can see to it to agree to change the language as other people (cool, less passionate minds) are telling us, then I'm willing to let go of this (I'm persistent as hell ;-) as you are)! I'm also willing to let bygones be bygones. In fact, I'll buy you a beer at a Misplaced Pages-sponsored event (This is no way meant as a bribe.), or if you don't imbibe than a tea or coffee. One more favor -- Please don't give me a long-winded answer with colors, bolds or italics :-), hahaha.Crtew (talk) 22:57, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Disregard, Crtew (talk) 09:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Valerie Harper

Didn't want you think I was referring to you in my edit summary at Valerie Harper, where I say, "It's not 'according to ABC,' it's per Harper herself." I know that came from an editor before you. Hope things are well and there's less snow tonight that they're suggesting. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 00:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know that that was already in the article, so I would not have inferred otherwise. In fact, I considered removing that phrasing myself. :-) Nightscream (talk) 00:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

We are just two polite and considerate people . . . ! --Tenebrae (talk) 00:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

List of Comic Book Men episodes

Hi Nightscream. You reverted quite a lot of things with your last edit, so I'll go through them one at a time.

1. "Main plot" may not be the best way to description, but I don't know what else to call it. What I mean is, it's the most significant part of the episode, being set up at the start, revisited several times, and the climax. It's also what gives the episode its title, and is what AMC uses to describe the ep in the first sentence of their little 2-sentence descriptions on their site. I obviously can't speak for you, but if someone asked me which episode "Con Men" was, the first thing I'd say would be "it's the one with the auction". So far, the only episode that didn't have an over-arching "plot" like this was the Asteroids one, but that was very much the exception. It also keeps the layout consistent from ep to ep.
2. The dead spaces within templates (and completely unused fields such as Rtitle) are entirely unnecessary, and only inflate the page size and therefore loading time and bandwidth used. A few bytes may not seem like much, but it does add up, especially when there are multiple templates on a page. Strictly speaking, a lot more dead space can be cut out by trimming all spaces and line breaks (like in the podcasts section) as they make no visible difference to the page, but I agree that this would harm readability in edit mode when there's a lot of info crammed together like in the main episode section. However, compare the entries you reverted to the earlier episodes. I think that as long as the fields are on separate lines it's perfectly readable, and the extra spaces add very little and are therefore unneeded.
3. Why did you also revert the addition of this week's podcast, or the correction of last week's podcast date from 2012 to 2013?

--Monkeynutbar (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Multiverse (DC Comics):

Hi, can you ce my recent edit on Multiverse (DC Comics) again? Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 05:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Thanks for updating the Counting Cars page Python1564 (talk) 00:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in The Da Vinci Code

I appreciate your helpful advice. However, there are two difficulties:

1. It is not always possible to find a published source to confirm an obvious conclusion, such as a similarity between two WP articles.
2. I don't have a JSTOR ID, because I am not a student or professor at one of the right universities, so I can't read or quote the kind of sources WP respects: namely, peer-reviewed journals. (I seem to have nested two colons—is this illegal?)

Donfbreed2 (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Judd Winick

"Regarding your edit to Judd Winick, inline citations are not needed for the plot or credits information of a narrative work, such as books, films or TV shows, because those works are presumed to be their own primary sources for that information"

However, I have the comic in question in hand and Winick has no work in this issue. This is confirmed by cbdb and gcd. He did have a story in issue #3,9 & 10 but not #4. 76.190.235.140 (talk) 00:12, March 22, 2013

Watchmen

Hi, Night. At Watchmen, an editor has gone into the article, which is on hold due to an RfC, and removed archival links, for some reason calling them "duplicate." Since an article is supposed to be stable during an RfC, and since I and another user, indopug, don't want to violate 3RR, might you take a look and advise, or restore the article to its RfC state? With thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 20:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The Grio

Hi Nightscream. I don't really understand why you reformatted my comments in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Grio: I responded to one comment and then made my own point. If I choose to put "keep" in bold print somewhere other than at the beginning of the sentence, that should be my choice, and I got confused since now it looks like I made three edits, not two. But that's water under the bridge, I suppose. I am sure there's a link to "AfD is not for article improvement", though I will grant you that it can be frustrating to not see things added to the article if they're mentioned in the deletion discussion. I like to add such sources, in general, when I participate in that discussion, but sometimes my inborn laziness gets the better of me. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Bryan Talbot

I got to the discussion so late that it seemed already pretty well decided. But I didn't want you to think I hadn't taken a stroll over there.

So look at us: We've become elder statesmen!   : )   --Tenebrae (talk) 14:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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Requesting your opinion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion at this RfC and the various sections that followed it, the latest being "This discussion". Since there are four sections so far, very spread out, I am clarifying that the topics are whether we open with Publication history, and whether citation format should be consistent. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I was trying to keep the notice as neutral as possible, and, yeah, I know the thing got incredibly convoluted for no reason I can think of.

User:Wrath X made edits to Watchmen on March 20 and 21. I copy-edited his edits, removed some ELNOs and the like and reorganized a little, but basically kept his material. I then saw differing citation formats and, more importantly, loads of deadlinks, and I went in and a) found archive links or substituted live links for the dead ones, and b) made the cite formatting consistent. I also added a Publication history, since the article had buried it in a "Release and reception section" midway through the article.

User:Indopug summarily reverted two editors — Wraith X and myself — which included restoring all the dead links, removing the Publication history, and restoring the few instances of poor grammar / syntax that I had copy-edited. Then I think it just became a pissing contest, since a lot of the discussion has just been, in my opinion, odd.

My feeling, in a nutshell: We follow MOS to begin with a PH since it's logical to begin with what something is before going on to how something came to be. Articles with characters having long, complicated publication histories generally have a separate article like List of Spider-Man comics that we do a main-article link to under the PH heading. Characters with simpler histories, like Nick Fury have a self-contained PH giving that information.

Believe it or not, that's it: Having a PH, having live and consistently formatted links, and not having poor grammar/syntax. That's the argument. I'm astonished. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I agreed with Wraith X and basically just copy-edited him.

Judging from the like of Batman, Daredevil (Marvel Comics), Wonder Woman, Hulk (comics), Punisher, Captain America, and others, the actual history of the publications themselves go first, with a "main article" link to a list of publications. Judging from a host of examples without an external list, such as Nick Fury, Green Arrow, Doctor Strange, Namor, Henry Pym, Morbius, the Living Vampire, Dominic Fortune, Falcon (comics), Wolverine and many , many others, we start at the beginning with their first appearances / series before going into how everything came about. One needs to establish what something IS before saying how it got there.

So I've an idea: Why don't we open Watchmen with the PH paragraph that's there, then go into straight into the background beginning with the next extant paragraph, and just remove the header in-between? That way maybe both sides are satisfied: Indopug only has to wait for one single paragraph before getting into his behind-the-scenes, and we preserve consistency across the project. This make more sense that burying the lead and making it harder to the reader to find the history of the actual publications. If Indopug can't compromise for one single paragraph, then that's not operating in good faith. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Bulldog Drummond (1929 film)

Hi, I've had a very good rapport with you from a few months back. I never forgot that. I can only say, you are wise with how you handle yourself on here. I like that! I had an incident a few days ago about the article on 1929's Bulldog Drummond. I consistently do research on Wiki for myself. Consider it a hobby. I found a misplaced photo in a wrongly dated article, so I placed it where it belonged. Unfortunately, I had a few issues with trying to fit it in the article where it belong. I am asking you, can you help with dealing with it.

I don't want to bother you weekly either with this sort of thing either. I know you are well liked on WIKIPEDIA. I find this to be great. This is why I know about you. I thank you in advance. Hired Ghoul (talk) 00:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

OK! We got an understanding here, me and you on the article. Yes, the picture is from 1929. I think it is okay to use for beneficial reasons on the two characters from the movie. Hired Ghoul (talk) 23:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Carmine Infantino

Thanks for your diligence in getting all of the details related to Mr. Infantino accurate! Your kind comments about my additions are much appreciated. Please see my reply to your specific question over on the Talk page. DoctorSivana (talk) 03:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Why can't I put the cast members of Carrie in the article. All of the cast members I put on the Carrie 2013 page is factual. Just look at IMDB for Carrie 2013 and you'll see I'm not putting unsourced material. Nutball5000 (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Age of Ultron discussion

Hi. I was wondering if you would like to join the discussion about tie-ins at this link since Friginator removed the tie-ins even though most of the past Marvel Comics storylines have them (like the Fear Itself storyline where you helped detail the Iron Man tie-ins). Rtkat3 (talk) 6:57, April 8 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14

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Drew Pinsky

Hi Nightscream, from what I've been told by other users, and from what I've seen, it is usually not appropriate to simply put a list of the subject of a biographical article's filmography and published works. This is especially true of the filmography considering it has no reference associated with it at all and I've seen other articles lose the list of publications section due to it being considered excessive but perhaps mention can be given to the fact that he has conducted scientific research with a reference to a pubmed search showing his papers. That would probably be considered acceptable and not giving undue weight to it. Considering that it is two papers (one of which is from 1991 and that's fairly old in terms of medical literature), unless they were seminal, ground-breaking papers, they probably do not merit the dedication of an entire section. I'm discussing this with more experienced editors than myself but I have a feeling they will agree. I am interested to hear your thoughts about this though and we can try to figure this thing out. Sincerely, TylerDurden8823 (talk) 03:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Working on finding out. As for my experience, I don't know if it's typical or not. I didn't see anything that sounded clear-cut on Misplaced Pages Biographies of Living People one way or the other. The search continues. If I'm wrong, then I guess I've witnessed other people making some mistakes. Part of the problem specifically with Drew Pinsky's page though is that the filmography lacks a reference at all and his role in the films listed is unclear (cameo, supporting role, star role, etc) though that wasn't really my initial point. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 07:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Touré

Hey Nightscream, on the contrary, I posted that edit on the talk page in full two weeks ago. Since there was no opposition to it after a couple weeks, I went ahead with it. I think your changes were WP:NPOV violations, but would be happy to discuss on the talk page. Waiting for more people to chime in to see what the consensus is. Fnordware (talk) 00:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Frgewhqwth and unsourced material

I thought you might like to know that I've opened a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Frgewhqwth and unsourced material—hate to poke my nose in, but I thought the situation merited it. —Ignatzmice_contribs 23:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay! They weren't blocked at the time reported it, see, and I didn't want any more pages to be messed up (like Lauren Drummond was) with broken templates. Should I remove what I posted at the noticeboard, or leave it in case anyone else has a comment? What's the etiquette regarding that? —Ignatzmice_contribs 02:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Hoodwinked!

Hi. I was wondering why you changed the referencing format for the Reception and Analysis sections in Hoodwinked! I've seen several other articles follow the format that I had been using in this article and I am unaware of any policy against it. Personally, I like the format that I had used, since it is less cluttered than others, but if there is a good reason for changing it, than I won't oppose your decision. If we are going to use this format though, you should change the other sections as well, so that the article is consistent. --Jpcase (talk) 17:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I am referring to the removal of the line breaks. Actually, I'm not even sure what you are referring to by a "change in the parameters/values in the citation templates". Could you explain what that is? --Jpcase (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. If it makes it harder for people to load the page, then I suppose it can be changed. Again though, you should probably change the rest of the references in the article as well, to maintain consistency.

What changes did you make to the parameters and values? I haven't noticed any. --Jpcase (talk) 18:46, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I appreciate you having taken the time to discuss this with me. I am sure that you have other articles that you would prefer to focus on, but I really would appreciate an explanation as to what changes you made to the parameters and values whenever you can find the time. Also, why did you only change the formatting in two sections? It seems to me that you really should keep the entire article consistent. --Jpcase (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I hope I didn't come across as too impatient. It's just that other editors have dropped off in the middle of conversations with me before and since I noticed that you have been fairly active on the site, I wasn't sure whether you intended to reply or not.

If you are busy right now, then no problem. I would have done it myself, but don't really have the time right now either. If you are able to get to it later, than that's great. Otherwise, I'll probably get to it myself eventually. It's not really a pressing issue; just something that should to be done at some point. --Jpcase (talk) 00:02, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Request for closure

Hello, would please review the proposal at Talk:Iron Man's armor#Merger proposal, determine a consensus and close the discussion. Thank you.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that you participated. WP:Closing discussions doesn't say but Template:Archive top says should only be used by uninvolved editors or administrators. So if you don't feel comfortable, I understand. There is a noticeboard but it has a backlog going back for months.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Just letting you know I responded to your comments on the talk page. If there are better ways to clean-up the article, I'm all for it. Cheers.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:03, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

8213: Gacy House and Anneliese: The Exorcist Tapes

Can you write out the entire outline for 8213: Gacy House and Anneliese: The Exorcist Tapes on its pages. I'm so sick of seeing its overall synopsis. Nutball5000 (talk) 04:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

By outline, I mean write out the entire movies for 8213: Gacy House and Anneliese: The Exorcist Tapes. And why do you have to see the movie to write it out? There's about a thousand movies written out on here and there's no way you've seen all of them. Nutball5000 (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

By "write out the entire movies" I mean write out the full synopsis, beginning to end, scene after scene, in atleast 7 paragraphs. Because I never saw Anneliese: The Exorcist Tapes or 8213: Gacy House and I want to read what happens from beginning to end. Nutball5000 (talk) 00:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, can you watch both of the movies and then write out the synopsis's? Nutball5000 (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I don't know how to dispense of the banners because they appear every time I leave you a message. Now would you please stop fussing about the banners and write out the synopsis's for 8213: Gacy House and Anneliese: The Exorcist Tapes. Nutball5000 (talk) 04:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't add a synopsis to those articles because you'll just delete them for not "citing any references". I don't know how to cite references; I don't even know what that means. Frankly, I don't know how you guys do it all day. I'm a writer, but I don't know how to add a reference after every sentence. Nutball5000 (talk) 04:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The "funeral" section of the Roger Ebert article

While I could have done without the offensive "are you kidding me?" in your reasons for your edits of my work, there, I nevertheless agree with them. You did a fine job tightening it up. Please remember, though, that everyone -- especially someone who has skin in the game about which s/he's writing, as I do with Ebert since I kinda' knew him -- needs an editor; and professional editors don't ridicule those whom they're editing. Nevertheless, thank you for your good work. Gregg L. DesElms (Username: Deselms) (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Bill Maher

Oh, hello. I was referring to this edit here . I had made this edit . Someone else made this edit . I actually performed the edit with this program . I usually fill in references with that program. =) AmericanDad86 (talk) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Good work on monitoring that article, as well as your work in monitoring The Real World article and related articles. I notice how you've outdone yourself in this regard. Thank you! AmericanDad86 (talk) 03:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Your revision of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold

Hello Nightscream, I was wondering if I could get an explanation of you reversion of my cleanup of the Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold article. Thanks! Technical 13 (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Zombies

Hi Nightscream,

I'm curious why you felt my edit was not constructive and how I can make it better? I feel the zombie page would be improved with more visual aids.

Many thanks.

Nate N8dawg (talk) 20:27, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Block

Hi. You blocked this one back in 2010 for five years - how come it's added rubbish since ? - User talk:206.213.157.4. Acabashi (talk) 23:12, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Biography sections

I've noticed you have a strange habit of altering biographical section structures for no reason. Recently, you did this on Amanda Filipacchi‎ and Sandra Fluke, but I could find a few more examples if I had the time. Your rationale for doing this appears odd. Are you trying to provoke people into edit warring? I ask because if you are not an active editor or contributor on these pages, you really shouldn't be messing with their section structures, and there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason for your edits. In the same way that we don't alter the original choice of citation styles implemented by previous editors, you really shouldn't be altering the biographical section structures. Of course, it's one thing if you are involved in editing these articles, but quite another if you only show up to disrupt them. Viriditas (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The Great Dictator: Tomania vs. Tomainia

Your reason (namely similarity to "Romainia" (!)) for reverting yourself and making Tomainia the spelling of the article is not correct as the spelling of the Eastern European country you're probably referring to is Romania. Another reason to prefer Tomania would be that it evokes mania. Admittedly, sources of equal standing are found using either spelling and since Chaplin is dead there's no one to ask. But the situation is not as desperate as it sounds: in the movie itself during one speech Adenoid Hynkel pronounces the word Tomania in the Tomanian language and he pronounces it To-mah-nee-ah which suggests that in Chaplin's mind the spelling in Tomanian would have been Tomania, not Tomainia which would presumably have had to be pronounced To-mah-ee-nee-ah in the "continental" interpretation of the Latin alphabet. I would say that watching the movie and using the data directly available from it should not be considered "original research" any more than "simple counting". Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 16:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry to put you through a third change of spelling :-) but, just to make absolutely sure,, I've just watched the clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NtBnaarXfg at 00:20:20) and in fact the data from it goes the other way. Hynkel's pronunciation (something like To-meh-nee-ah with the English short e of step, bet, etc., so not To-mah-nee-ah like I wrongly stated above) seems in fact to favor the "Tomainia" spelling. I should have re-checked before I gave you the info. Sorry. In any case it remains to figure out how to include that info in note 7 of the article regarding the two spellings and the rationale that WP uses to favor the one or the other. There should be a way to give a location in a movie just as one gives a page number in a book. I'm not sure time in a YouTube video is a very rigorous reference. There should be something more professional. But at least we have the result that the question can be settled with reference to the movie. That is some progress even though my initial information was backwards. Sorry again. Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 18:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

On top of that (again at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NtBnaarXfg) at 0:14:18 you have an image of the Tomainia Gazette, at 0:14:46 The Tomainia Post and The Tomainian Mail and at 0:15:05 the Review Tomainia all clearly with the Tomainia spelling. And at 0:15:01 a newspaper title Riots in Tomainia. There might be more data through the movie for the correct spelling. Oh well. Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 18:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

A pity you got rid of the list of sources which employ the one or the other spelling. That was interesting data in and of itself and not irrelevant to the topic of the article I think. Saying just that "sources differ" is less informative. Not to mention that you probably had put some work into establishing that list. It's a shame that the data you collected ends up not being used. Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 11:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Pepper Potts

So much for "original" research. DanielC46 (talk) 07:14, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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I just thought I'd let you know I find this rather funny. Apparently students at the University of Edinburgh for the past decade have spent their time vandalising Misplaced Pages. Doing work and reading - what's that? :-) So the reason this IP address has been blocked is not that one person is insanely active vandalising stuff - it's that the IP belongs to a university of 30,000 students.

Today's chuckle.

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Comic cite template

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I don't think anyone showed any support for my version of the template; I think at least a couple of editors were opposed to it (I don't know where the discussion's been archived). I don't know who is intending to do anything about it, if anyone at all. You might want to bring it up at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Comics again. Curly Turkey (gobble) 01:00, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Mandarin (comics)

Hi there - I've noticed all the character work you have been doing. I have been having the hardest time keeping up with the Mandarin article, especially the "Films" section, since the film's European release. Could you help me keep an eye on it? 129.33.19.254 (talk) 15:13, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

When I get some time to really study it, I can pull up some diffs for you. There have been quite a lot of edits to the article in the past month or so, so that will take some time. It is a little bit of everything you said on my talk page, but the worst problem had been the addition of unsourced text regarding his appearance in the most recent Iron Man movie. If you have a lot going on already, then no worries. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! :) I imagine that once the latest film is "old news", edits on that article will calm down. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 13:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Killer Dwarfs

Hi!

I was over at the Killer Dwarfs article and noticed, they do need some external links added for information on the group.

I am afraid, I may or may not of ran into one problem on adding two of them.

I always appreciate your time and effort.Hired Ghoul (talk) 23:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi! It was changed overnight. Things happen for a good reason. Thank you for responding so fast.

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Hi, Nightscream. I will be happy to participate in the RfC you have requested there, and will address your questions in that discussion. I have never participated in a RfC, so I want to ask you some questions about the procedure. Please if you would, reply on my talk page so I will have your reply handy for reference, as my questions are procedural and do not bear on the actual discussion.

1. What is the format for response? Is it similar to AfD?
2. You have it listed as unsorted at this time. Will a clerk list it in appropriate places like AfD? Please note that I left notifications at the talk pages of the school project and the New Jersey project regarding the AfD for Union.

Thanks. I look forward to this as an opportunity to expand my experience with a new (for me) Misplaced Pages procedure. Although we are on opposite sides of the table here, I know you and I are both interested in the same thing: making Misplaced Pages a better and more helpful resource for those who use it. I look forward to your reply. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh, BTW, I am male, but in the Misplaced Pages context, I view all editors as just editors, not male or female. My username comes from the reporting mark of my favorite railroad (GTW). Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Emerson Middle School (New Jersey) and Union Hill Middle School redux

From your recent edit on Union Hill, the situation is much more clear to me. Emerson High School and Union Hill High School merged to form Union City High School, correct?

So Union City now shares the historic background of both Emerson and Union Hill. My perspective, and I don't think it is an unusual one, is that the articles are about the schools, not the building they are in. There are numerous examples all over Misplaced Pages of schools that have changed buildings one or more times. These schools are still covered in an article on the school, not a separate article on each building. I don't have the time or inclination to search out examples of these but my alma mater, Hobart High School (Indiana) is an example.

Emerson and Union Hill are now a part of Union City. Far and away the majority of the editorial content in both middle school articles is about the former high schools.

Middle schools just don't get an article. Historic AfD's show that. (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Education). The guidelines address it. (WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#N "Articles on elementary/primary and middle schools should normally be merged into the school district article or the appropriate locality article if this is not available.")

So, my proposal is this:

1. Rename both articles to the former high school names and reduce the content about the middle school in them to a mention that they currently are middle schools, or
2. Add the content on the historic schools to Union City High School under separate subsections for each school and redirect the historic high school names there and redirect the middle schools to the school district per guidelines.

This seems like the most accurate way to handle this somewhat unusual situation. You would have to agree on the weight of the content in the middle school articles in question being primarily about the historic high schools I think. Either of my proposals seem like a fair compromise. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Let me make an analogy here. If my family started a retail business selling Halloween masks at 13 Main Street and somehow did something that made it notable for Misplaced Pages; then moved it to 23 Main Street, it would still be notable there. Say Harvey's YoYO Company took over the storefront at 13 Main from us. The fact that we used to be there does not make Harvey's YoYo Company notable. Same applies to schools. It is about the school, not the building and it seems you are seeing it the other way around. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Chris Butcher listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Chris Butcher. Since you had some involvement with the Chris Butcher redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). noq (talk) 08:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure there's one around here somewhere...

...but just in case...

		The Comics Star
		Awarded to Nightscream because he's awesome when it comes to comics related articles. Hiding T 22:25, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Not especially, I just happened to see your edits at John Byrne tonight and it made me realise that whenever a comics article pops up on my watchlist it's because you're beavering away on it, and that should be recognised!. I saw you take the Isabella quote out of John Byrne, I'll trust your judgement there, thought the edit summary was good though, very clear as to why you did it. Keep it all up. Hiding T 23:25, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Ultimate Spider-Man (TV series)

Sure. TBH, I kinda know the person who made that Edit on Ultimate Spider-Man (TV series). I Posted Not only on it, but it's Unconfirmed & False. You do a Great Job Keeping an Eye for the Page of the Show.T-Nuggett (talk) 00:24, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

This is sort of a different subject on the same article. I sort of was hoping in the reception section we have critics comparing the quality of it to the tv series preceding it and may other Spider-Man cartoons too. I think it's kind of missing that. Jhenderson 14:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thrilla in Manila

Wow, thanks! LawrenceJayM (talk) 22:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Protection of Angels & Demons‎

Hi Nightscream,

You protected Angels & Demons‎ in 2010 for persistent vandalism. The page is slow now (movie is four years old now), I would request that you unprotect it or at least reduce it to pending-changes (since it falls far below that threshold). Regards, Crazynas 19:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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Gus Fring

Hi, sorry to bother you. It's just that I've seen you commenting on the Gus Fring page during a dispute and was wondering if you could help again. I keep trying to add that Gus is the main antagonist of seasons three and four. I provided sources, and if you do a general google search you find reviews and other sources calling him the antagonist. Yet when I and Television fan have tried to add these, Hearfourmewesique has removed the additions and called me a terrorist. Further, when I went to his talk page to talk to him about this, I noticed that he called another user a "little bitch" on a talk page, and that he is being threatened with a block for another dispute. If you could please way in on my dispute and maybe tell him to stop flying off the handle, I would appreciate it greatly. Thank you for your time 108.76.231.204 (talk) 15:09, 8 July 2013

I hate to keep asking you for help, but he has once again removed the sourced content, has provided no source that validates his position, blames me for not being able to log in, and refers to me as Mr. Google to be insulting. Please help99.155.80.40 (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, so you know how to sign your comments. It's a pity you seem to forget it every time you reply to me.

Seriously, though, the article talk page should speak for itself. I've stated everything multiple times, yet there seems to be a strong case of WP:IDIDNOTHEARTHAT on the IP's end. This is why I was trying to avoid this discussion as I know it would be futile. This either falls under WP:TROLL or WP:COMPETENCE, as the "sourced content" isn't sourced at all and the same arguments seem to be reiterated with every new comment. Thank you for the SPI by the way, as an admin finally reverted the IP's tendentious content addition and protected the page. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Another request, if you please: I need an admin/sysop (which you are) to WP:REVDEL three diffs ( ), as I accidentally forgot to log in before posting the reply. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

It is an accident, let it go. You can even look on here I have accidently not signed. It is nothing personal. Stop making attacks. This not an I did not hear. I keep finding multiple sources referring to him as the antagonist, but even when I provide them, you ignore them. You keep falling on the "Vince Gillian says he is turning Walt into the antagonist". Fine, great, however, when did he says that this is to happen? He hasn't. Further, multiple sources call Gus the antagonist. I have provided, probably around ten of them by now. You automatically say they are unrelatiable when, according to wikis policies they can be used. You blamed me for you not being able to log in, you have called me a terrorist, and make comments about me not signing. Accidents happen. Nightscream, you seem to have experience with him, hence why I have come to you. No matter how many reliable sources I find saying he is the antagonist, they are ignored and I have to hear insult after insult. Please help.99.155.80.40 (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you able to help me please (per the above request)? Please reply. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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  Sylvia Browne

  Hey Nightscream, your summary accompanying this edit was a bit harsh. The IP has made only three edits to Wiki, and in this case, he actually followed other entries in the paragraph. He wasn't referring to a person as "that kidnap victim" but added info preceded by the words "Among her claims were:"'. Moriori (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

  You have misunderstood the meaning of "That kidnap victim", but I won't revert as you have worded it better anyway. In the sentence, the word that is used to say she "stated that...(rest of claim)". The editor was not referring to the victim as "that kidnap victim". --Dmol (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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  Michael Gothard

  I see you have removed some items from Michael Gothard's entry. Some edits I understand and some I do not. I always thought the reference to Jill Bennett was a bit irrelevant, and made it seem as if there was some connection between her suicide and Michael's, so I added the fact that Michael's director in Herostratus also killed himself, as I thought this at least as relevant as JB's. However, I see you have removed both references, which I understand. What I don't understand is why you deleted the fact that Michael killed himself; this is well documented, elsewhere online, in an obituary in The Stage. I have his death certificate, which also states that he hanged himself. I know this is unpleasant, but I don't think anyone questions the fact. I think it's a shame you removed the bit about his memorial tree. The tree was definitely planted in his memory, (I was there) as the Forester at Woodchester will attest, and it might give comfort to people, to know he has been remembered. What criteria would have to be fulfilled for this information to be included? valtrepkosValtrepkos (talk) 18:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

  Publication info in citations using ref name

  I found this edit summary interesting, because while it seems to be a convention that a named reference be fully defined in the first instance and invoked with the shortcut in the following instances, it does not seem to create an error to do otherwise. I cannot find anything in the guidelines, other than some examples, which suggest that the first reference needs to be the defining one. Could you explain to me what the technical reasons are, or point me to some discussion which establishes this as consensus? Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 03:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

  Wolvie

  Hi, Night. Wow, no idea. I see it happened at this edit, and you're right, it doesn't seem to be anything I did. Must be some odd computer thing. No worries — I'll go fix the coding. Hope everything's well. Are you at SDCC? I haven't been for more years than I'd want to say! --Tenebrae (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

  RfC

  This is a neutral request for comments regarding the use of cosplay images at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Comics#cosplay pics.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:55, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

  Zeitgeist: The Movie, TheMarker's quote and Peter Joseph

  Kudos to you for contributing so much time, energy (and patience) to that page and that discussion. I have added my part to the discussion.Dustin184 (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

  IP address 64.201.173.145 blocked from editing

  I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this request, so I apologize if this request seems out of place. I did consider the appeals process, but honestly, I don't think that the block should be lifted altogether. Anyway, at least one of my co-workers has been making a habit of vandalizing Misplaced Pages. Quite understandably, this has led to a series of editing blocks, most recently the 3-year block that you put in place on July 20. Ordinarily, this would not bother me -- my work IP deserves to be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. However, this most recent block is affecting both registered and anonymous users -- and this is what is troubling me. I have almost 19,000 edits and have never been warned, let alone blocked, for my edits. But I am blocked from editing at my workplace as well.

  I like editing at work in my spare time. The vast majority of my edits are spelling corrections, but they are useful contributions all the time. I am not asking for the block to be lifted, but if there's any way it can be softened so that registered users (or even JUST me -- I do have a proven track record) can edit from work, it would be greatly appreciated. If not, I do understand, and I will continue to make edits from home.

  Thanks for your time. Drpickem (talk) 04:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

  Okay, I've changed the block settings so that registered users can edit from it. I apologize for any inconvenience. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you. :-) Nightscream (talk) 04:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

  Well, that was exceedingly fast. Thank you very much. Drpickem (talk) 04:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

  Zeitgeist: The Movie: Should Peter Joseph's statements that he was misquoted be included?

  The fact that you persistently chicken out of responding to that, and pretend instead that your "perception" of the word trumps its actual meaning, just so that you can misuse a guideline in order to get your way, says volumes of about your undisguised dishonesty.

  Your quote above is a uncivil personal attack. I would appreciate a retraction and that these comments be stricken. Capitalismojo (talk) 02:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  "Your quote above is a uncivil personal attack." Wrong. It's a criticism, and a valid one that describes your behavior. You don't get to censor other editors pointing out your behavior just because you jolly well don't like it. I asked you on your talk page, point blank, what definition of "self-serving" you were using, and how the material in question conforms to that phrase, and like Earl King and Arthur Rubin, you stonewalled on the question by simply repeating the original claim, essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, "La-la-la, I can't hear you...!" This behavior is transparently dishonest, and not in the spirit of honest discussion, and you have zero entitlement to any apology (particularly in light of the fact that you raised no objection to Earl King making false accusation of sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry without providing any evidence or argumentation for it), much less a retraction. Nightscream (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  A valid criticsm would be on the order of: "You are not responsive to my point about X." Your "criticism" is personal. You accuse me of cowardice (being chicken), you accuse me of dishonesty. These are not criticisms, they are attacks. They are attacks that do not assume good faith. You are an experienced editor, why go there? Capitalismojo (talk) 03:19, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  "A valid criticsm would be on the order of: "You are not responsive to my point about X." You don't get to dictate how I point out your inexcusable behavior, and I'm not using vague, Orwellian euphemisms to hide the truth about it. If you don't like me pointing out your behavior, the solution is simple: Stop exhibiting it. When someone makes a counterargument, then respond to it, either by falsifying it, or acknowledging that it has falsified your position. If someone asks you questions about your own position, then answer them. Sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending you can't hear them is indeed chickening out of an honest discussion, whether you like it or not.

  "Your "criticism" is personal. You accuse me of cowardice (being chicken), you accuse me of dishonesty. These are not criticisms, they are attacks." They are descriptions of your behavior. You have been asked repeatedly to respond to specific counterarguments with which I have responded to your statements, and you have repeatedly stonewalled, employing the intellectually dishonest tactic of instead simply repeating the initial statement, pretending not to have read the counterargument, and refusing to even acknowledge it. That's dishonest, and it goes directly to WP:STONEWALL and WP:NOTHERE.

  If you're not going to respond to my counterarguments because you know that have indeed falsified your statements, and you don't possess the character to admit it, then stop whining to me, and stop leaving these hypocritical little messages on my talk page. They will not be responded to. Nightscream (talk) 04:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  I thought my responses spoke for themselves. I didn't look up a definition to support my sense of what "self-serving" means. I know what it means. Lets look at the definition though:

  self′-serv′ing

  habitually seeking one's own advantage, esp at the expense of others

  Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

  self′-serv′ing

  adj. 1. preoccupied with one's own interests and often disregarding the truth or the interests, well-being, etc., of others. 2. serving to further one's own selfish interests.

  Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc.

  I believe that these definitions (and yours for that matter) fit quite well with Mr. Joseph's statement. He has a personal interest in his film being perceived as an honest documentary and not one that parts of he personally doesn't take seriously. It hurts him to be seen that he included material for dishonest dramatic effect. His response is to accuse the reporter of taking "extreme liberty with" his words, saying his remarks were distorted, then accusing the interviewer of not having a good grasp of english, and lastly suggesting a bad telephone connection might be to blame. So we have a film-maker rubbishing the honesty, competence, and reputation of a reporter in order to bolster his own reputation. This is incredibly clear-cut to me, it seems painfully obvious. Apparently it is not. Do you disagree that he is serving his own interests or that he is disparaging another to do so? Either way it is not "dishonest" for me to disagree with you about applying policy. It is not "cowardice" to fail to address your arguments to your complete satisfaction. Capitalismojo (talk) 12:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  Capitalismojo: "I thought my responses spoke for themselves. I didn't look up a definition to support my sense of what "self-serving" means. I know what it means." That isn't what you said on the article talk page. There, you insisted that your "perception" of the word's meaning was what mattered, and claimed that "the others" in the discussion agreed with you, when about three others shared your opinion, versus seven at the time who didn't.

  Capitalismojo: "I believe that these definitions (and yours for that matter) fit quite well with Mr. Joseph's statement. He has a personal interest in his film being perceived as an honest documentary and not one that parts of he personally doesn't take seriously. It hurts him to be seen that he included material for dishonest dramatic effect."

  One more time: We're not talking about the content of the film, or how he wants it perceived.

  The issue in question is that the two citations claim that he had distanced himself or moved away from some of the film's ideas, and his statement that he said no such thing. That has nothing to do with whether the documentary is an honest one. Pointing out that you've been misquoted has nothing to do with acting "at the expense of others" or "disregarding the truth or the interests, well-being" or "selfishness". If you wanted to argue that the arguments made in film itself were not made with a regard for the truth in mind, then I'd agree with you. The problem is, you don't seem to be able to comprehend (or refuse to acknowledge) that the discussion isn't about that. The issue of his statement that he was misquoted is entirely separate from the issue of the film's content or its promulgation, but you, Earl, Tom and Arthur either don't get this, or don't care, and are pushing for the exclusion of his statement about his position based on your view of the film, rather than on the wisdom of a completely separate matter. That shows a complete inability to reason with any modicum of objectivity.

  If I'm wrong, then answer me this: Should we remove all links to the website of the creationist Discovery Institute from the Misplaced Pages article on that organization, even for pieces of information that do not go to their mission, like the date of their founding or the name of their president, because doing so has the effect of promoting their ideas and their agenda? That is essentially what you're arguing with Joseph and Zeitgeist, isn't it? Should we remove all links to the websites of organizations whose ideas are pseudoscientific from their Misplaced Pages articles for the same reason? I asked this on the article talk page, but (big shocker!), none of you responded to it. Can you respond to it now, please?

  I am not sure about the Discovery Institute website. If you have concerns about SPS there you should indeed do something about it. I think few people responded to this line of discussion because WP:OTHERSTUFF. People would rather stay on the immediate article and issue in front of them rather than discuss broader policy. Capitalismojo (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  Capitalismojo: "His response is to accuse the reporter of taking "extreme liberty with" his words, saying his remarks were distorted, then accusing the interviewer of not having a good grasp of english, and lastly suggesting a bad telephone connection might be to blame." Which is irrelevant to the discussion, since the last version of material that was in the article did not include these remarks, and merely related that Joseph stated that he had not distanced himself from the film's ideas, as had been stated in The Marker and New York Times stories.

  Capitalismojo: "So we have a film-maker rubbishing the honesty, competence, and reputation of a reporter in order to bolster his own reputation." Stating that you did not say what others claim you did has nothing to do with "bolstering" your reputation.

  Capitalismojo: "Do you disagree that he is serving his own interests.." Serving your own interests is not what the phrase "self-serving" means, as you yourself just acknowledged the actual meaning of that phrase, which is not to merely "serve one's own interests". Again, if I take someone to court and successfully sue them for libel or slander, I am serving my own interests. But no one would claim that such an act is "self-serving". Do you disagree?

  Capitalismojo: "...or that he is disparaging another to do so?" His remarks about the interviewer don't matter, because the salient content of the material in question is his statement that he has not moved away from the positions given in the film, as was reported, which is the only content that was related in the article.

  Capitalismojo: "Either way it is not "dishonest" for me to disagree with you about applying policy." And I never said it was. You know perfectly well what I pointed out was dishonest about your conduct, and had nothing to do with "disagreement". It is refusing to acknowledge or respond to your opponents' counterarguments, and stonewalling repeating your initial arguments ad nauseum that is dishonest, and you know it. Keep in mind that stonewalling during discussions is not only dishonest as a matter of truth, but it's also mentioned at WP:STONEWALL, as is dishonesty in general at WP:NOTHERE, neither of which mention mere "disagreement". This remark by you is just a Straw Man Argument, which is indeed dishonest on your part.

  Capitalismojo: "It is not "cowardice" to fail to address your arguments to your complete satisfaction." And I never said it was. In fact, you did not address my arguments at all, at least until now. Instead, you stuck your fingers in your ears and kept pretending not to have read my statements. This is not some esoteric standard or vanity: It goes directly to how discussions are either constructive or not. If you make a statement, and someone else makes a counterstatement, how are you fulfilling the role of discussion in working out the conflict if you don't respond to it. Repeating the same thing over and over, without acknowledging what others are saying, is a pointless endeavor that does nothing to resolve the conflict, or even effect discussion. At least now you're actually talking to me, instead of just sticking your fingers in your ears. Had you, Earl, Tom and Arthur done son on the article talk page, and consistently, a far greater spirit of straightforwardness would've been exhibited. But not only did you not do so, but you continue to employ propaganda-like spin in your remarks, as you have by pretending with this remark that your problem was a habit of not addressing my arguments to a perceived level of completion. This is a lie, plain and simple, and it is for this reason that I correctly point it out. It's amazing to me that you distort others' words and arguments without batting an eye while simultaneously impugning Joseph for his own dishonesty. How do you justify this behavior to yourself? Do you compartmentalize it? Nightscream (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  But no one would claim that such an act is "self-serving". Do you disagree?

  Well according to the Random House definition above "serving you own interests" is "self-serving". As regards your example, of course I agree. But if I were, instead of going to court successfully, merely to state publicly that the person who had written about me was wrong and incompetent that might well be seen as a self-serving statement. Capitalismojo (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  His remarks about the interviewer don't matter, because the salient content of the material in question is his statement that he has not moved away from the positions given in the film, as was reported, which is the only content that was related in the article.

  I think they do matter because It clarifies that the statement is, in fact, unduly self-serving. Capitalismojo (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  Well, what you consider dishonest stonewalling is a tremendous lack of interest in that particular article and my belief that the issue was obvious and shouldn't be contentious, coupled with summer vacation with my family. What you consider propaganda-like spin is my true belief about the source. I have tremendous sympathy for someone being misquoted in the media. I believe it happens all the time. It seems reasonable to me that Mr. Joseph should have his point of view included. It is my opinion that we shouldn't be using SPS to include it. That's it. If I could find even a weekly shopper with his quote I'd support its inclusion. I don't like SPS, in my opinion this is not the proper way to use such a source. Others may disagree. I really don't care, the only reason I commented on the article was because you asked me to. I have honestly responded. I feel extremely badly used as a result. If one were to assume good faith about the lack of immediate response in an article, perhaps there would be more collegiality. Capitalismojo (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  I made two relatively brief comments on the SPS matter at the talk page. Stonewall invloves repeatedly ignoring consensus. The discussion was pretty new when you asked me to comment. While people were commenting on the 23rd I think its safe to say that consensus had not been established. You were already complaining about WP:STONEWALL even before I commented. I hardly think my very brief opinion rises to the level of WP:STONEWALL, in fact I'd say you were not assuming good faith. As relates to WP:NOTHERE, what is the world are you talking about? What conceivable evidence would you present related to my editing that would trigger that? Really, I'd like to know. You are an admin and veteran editor. Clearly you must have insight that would help me improve if there were such improper activities or aberrant editing practices. Capitalismojo (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  First of all, please do not insert your messages in the middle of mine. I prefer for my messages to remain contiguous and unmutilated, as it makes it easier to discern each person's messages at a glance, which is necessary when composing responses to them. If you want to reference a specific quote by me, I ask that you use another method.

  Capitalismojo: "Well according to the Random House definition above "serving you own interests" is "self-serving". No it doesn't. The definition in question specifies a preoccupation with one's own interests that manifests itself at the expense of the truth, interests or well-being of others. Successfully suing someone for libel/slander by presenting evidence and adhering to rules of decency and honesty, is a valid way to approach "serving your own interests". Deciding to commit perjury or introduce falsified evidence because you think the infraction committed against you justifies it, is self-serving. The latter refers to the manner in which one uses their own interests to justify ethically questionable behavior. The former does not. The definition you provided above makes this distinction clear, yet you continue to persistent in deceit by selectively editing the definition the definition you yourself provided? Just who do you think you're fooling by doing that? Did you think I wouldn't notice that? Or that I wouldn't call you on it?

  Capitalismojo: "I think they do matter because It clarifies that the statement is, in fact, unduly self-serving." The statements he made on the website regarding the reporter and Joseph's speculations over the cause for the misquote are arguably self-serving. The mere statement that he has not changed his position expressed in the film, as has been reported, is not. Because we are only interested in including the latter, and not the former, your argument is false. Again, do you think the date of the Discovery Institute's founding or the name of its president is "self-serving", simply because they employ self-serving arguments in favor of their creationist agenda elsewhere on the same website?

  Capitalismojo: "Well, what you consider dishonest stonewalling is a tremendous lack of interest in that particular article and my belief that the issue was obvious and shouldn't be contentious, coupled with summer vacation with my family." Non sequitur. A lack of interest in the article and family obligations would explain not participating in the discussion. It does not explain what you say when you choose to participate in it. Again, if those you disagree with provide counterarguments or ask you questions that challenge your position, responding to them in a direct and straightforward manner are necessary parts of open, honest discussion. You can choose to honor such principles, or you can choose to mindlessly repeat the same fallacies over and over ad nauseum and pretend to have not read what they have said to you. Disinterest and outside obligations should not affect whether you choose to participate honestly or dishonestly.

  Capitalismojo: "What you consider propaganda-like spin is my true belief about the source." No. The propaganda comment referred to your habit of distorting my words, and employing Straw Man arguments and other intellectually dishonest discussion tactics. It had nothing to do with your position on the source, as you well know, and this is just another example of it.

  Capitalismojo: "I feel extremely badly used as a result." Oh please. You're not a victim. You're just another unprincipled Net Narcissist who doesn't flinch at distorting others' words or engaging in whatever form of deceit you think is needed when in conflict with others, and then displays a profound talent for self-justification and false victimhood when someone calls you on it. The manner in which you can persistently go silent when people ask you questions or ask you to comment on their counterarguments (which is the more broad meaning of stonewalling), and justify this behavior with fallacious excuses ("I have a family!"), only to then insist that I answer your questions by saying, "Really, I'd like to know", is truly awe-inspiring.

  Capitalismojo: "You are an admin and veteran editor. Clearly you must have insight that would help me improve if there were such improper activities or aberrant editing practices. If you want insight, then learn what falsifiability is, and it should be used in matters of empirical fact and reason-based discussions. If you want to "improve", then stop using intellectually dishonest discussion tactics like distorting other people's words, committing lies of omission, refusing to acknowledge counterarguments and questions, and other logical fallacies that you employ to justify these behaviors.

  Capitalismojo: "If one were to assume good faith about the lack of immediate response in an article, perhaps there would be more collegiality." I never said anything about the "immediacy" of responses. I focused my reactions on the dishonesty in them. Nightscream (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

  Heaven knows Cap and I have been known to butt heads on a regular basis; but I really think your comments to him or her on this matter have been unnecessarily harsh and incivil. This is not some fly-by-night spammer we're talking about, but a regular contributor; you seem to be straining to go out of your way to find the worst interpretation of each statement, and the nastiest way to describe it. I'm not bothering to stipulate which interpretation of the substantive issue(s) under discussion I agree with, because it's irrelevant to our mutual obligation (especially those of us entrusted with the Mop-and-Bucket) of simple civility. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

  My comments have not been incivil, have not employed "interpretations", and are not relegated in appropriateness to spammers. Cap, like too many other editors on Misplaced Pages, including at least two others on the article talk page, has engaged in deliberate and knowing deceit, and repeatedly. He has deliberately distorted my words, engaged in selective "deafness", and committed lies of omission, and I have every right to point it out. I'm tired of having to deal with dishonest and narcissistic hypocrites like him, who rationalize their refusals to respond in a straightforward manner with all sorts of excuse-making, but then demand that I answer their queries, as well as the ineffectual enablers like you who don't know how to separate the wheat from the chaff, who consistently get it backwards by giving them a free pass, while pretending pointing out their behavior somehow violates CIV or AGF. An editor makes a blatantly false accusation of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry, without providing any evidence whatsoever to illustrate the notion to the exclusion of less nefarious explanations, with nary a word from you (and barely any participation at ANI from any uninvolved admins) but then you start complaining about "incivility" when I point out this behavior. If you think revealing yourself to be one of those "criticism = incivility" types gains you credibility with me, be assured that it doesn't, any more than the behavior of people like Cap. Don't leave any more hypocritical messages on my talk page. They will be deleted, unread. Nightscream (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)'

  Re: Request Hi There. I've been away for the past week, and at this moment I am not home. I will gladly weigh in; I did briefly scan the arguments and from what I can see it's nothing new from the usual suspects. The page appears heavily guarded by an unfortunate few who consider themselves its guardians. Mostly, they prefer if you accuse Zeitgeist of being Anti-Semitic. Try making that your opening foray and you can easily befriend them. If you take umbrage for moral reasons and would rather do battle, I utterly understand. Anyway, I will post to the discussion within the next 48-72hr. Cheers sabine antelope 00:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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  Rick Remender photo and birthdate

  Hi Nightscream, I felt like I probably added that photo incorrectly, so I appreciate you changing it. I'm actually a friend of Rick's and he wanted a more recent photo on his article. Is there anyway for me to update the photo to something more current while still operating within Misplaced Pages's guidelines. I've made very few Misplaced Pages edits, so this is uncharted territory. Thanks! - Utizzle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utizzle (talk • contribs) 20:07, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

  Hi again Nightscream, Rick took a photo himself today (link below) and I listed what I believe is the appropriate license for use on Misplaced Pages. Would this work? Thanks again for your help. Utizzle (talk) 23:45, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

  http://rickremender.com/?attachment_id=902

  That'll work. Any advice on the best way to upload it? I just want to make sure I do it right. Additionally, should I swap it out on the page or just upload it? Utizzle (talk) 00:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

  It's up!

  https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Photo-by_Rick_Remender.JPG

  Please take a look and let me know if I goofed up on anything. I appreciate your help, man. Utizzle (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

  I'm so sorry about that. Everything was going smoothly until I showed up. :( Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

  Thank you. I'm not the most confrontational person to begin with, and as a new admin, I'm still reluctant to stand up and tell people what's what when necessary. In the Rick Remender matter, I should have. I'm glad you did, but am sorry I left it to you. Next time I promise to be a bit tougher when it's plain what is right. Lesson learned and much respect to you for saying what you said. One day, they'll call me "Annie Ironfist", you'll see! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

  I really tried to move things forward, to no avail. Do you think there is enough support to change the image? Which do you personally prefer? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

  Nightscream,

  Hmmm ... do takr into account that, as the note on top of my talk page says, I'm on vacation and it's been difficult to do much editing (although with Wikimania starting tomorrow, that may well be changing).

  I'm not going to do anything regarding this until I've at least walked up to the auditorium at HKPU, checked in and picked up my badge. That should take an hour at least.

  This is a complicated situation. I do agree that Canoe1967 is not acting with consensus behind him, but I think any sanctions would be more legitimate if they had ... consensus behind them. Others may see this situation differently, as so far you've been the only one complaining about this.

  Are you here in Hong Kong by any chance? Please let me know if you are and maybe we can discuss this personally. Given where she lives, Anna may well be here too, so we could include her too. Daniel Case (talk) 07:25, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

  Sigh.

  Well, at least that much we can agree on.

  You do not need consensus to block an editor who is edit-warring.

  No, you certainly don't ... when there's no argument that the edit in question is against policy and/or consensus. I don't think Canoe's are ... but I can see how other reasonable people might, and an out-of-nowhere block will just make the inevitable AN/I thread ten times longer. Especially when Canoe can make a facial argument that you're owning the article. And that your entire argument can be made to seem like a variation on the wrong version.

  Why are you confusing the two? There is nothing "complicated" about that.

  I assume that, whatever words you actually used, you asked for my involvement because you value my cool-headedness and impartiality. That's what you're getting. Daniel Case (talk) 04:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

  I was going to write a longer point-by-point response to the sceond part of your comment, but I see Lexein agreed with you and preserved the revert, and Canoe has apologized for his misunderstanding, something which wouldn't have happened if I'd blocked him. So it looks like the result you wanted has been achieved.

  But just think of it from my end. Someone whose last interaction with me was (sorry, I can't find the diff right now) extremely insulting and hostile suddenly comes to me with a demand that I block someone I don't know, doing so in a way that seems to have either missed or disregarded the vacation notice I placed on my talk page over a week ago, before I went to China, in a tone that sounds practically like an order, and then does it again, in the middle of a complicated dispute that takes at least ten minutes to get the contours of. How am I supposed to feel?

  Gotta go to lunch now. Daniel Case (talk) 05:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

  Or did you just miss the content just above that?--Mark _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 03:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

  There is a reply to one of my comments from Alanscottwalker that I missed and seems to verify what you are saying, if that is what you are saying. Unduly self serving is in reference to the content or information not the reference itself? Such as "I'm the king of the world". "I cured cancer" etc. That is what is meant by unduly self serving?--Mark _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 03:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

  Thanks for the invitation to contribute to this discussion, which arrived while I was on holiday. I don't have anything to contribute beyond what's already been said, so I'll sit this one out. R Cornwell (talk) 09:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

  Ultimate Spider-Man (TV series)

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  Zeitgeist discussion

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  Near as I can tell, the manner in which requests for input were handled is now being called into question. Since you had a hand in that I just wanted to make sure you were aware in case you wanted to comment. Equazcion 09:23, 28 Jul 2013 (UTC)

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  Brian K. Vaughan

  WP:BLPN. – Connormah (talk) 01:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

  West New York references

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  Rick Rescorla

  why do you keep adding removing the punctuation from the sentence "On returning to London and civilian life, he joined the Metropolitan Police Service" ?

  I don't understand what you mean. I have not added or removed amy punctuation to that sentence !

  You indeed added that second period in your last edit/revert. I wasn't sure if this was done deliberately or what, and I'm not trying to make a huge issue out of it, but because you kept reverting it, along with the sectioning matter, even after I pointed it out to you in my edit summaries, I didn't know if you were being deliberately spiteful, or if you were generally unaware of this, and I didn't want to fix it if you were going to revert it again. Can I assume you're not going to revert my removal of the second period? Corbynz (talk 04:27, August 23, 2013‎

  I never consciously added or deleted any periods so I'm really not concerned whether you add or delete any. I'm not a "spiteful" person either and I'm rather taken aback by such an unwarranted provocative comment.

  Btw, six other editors have stated in the consensus discussion that (and I'm summarizing here) that the UK and US military material don't need their own Level 1 sections, but could be put in subsections of a military career section. Is that a fair compromise to you? Let me know.

  Fine by me. Corbynz (talk 03:42, August 22, 2013‎

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  Unsourced additions to notable list in List of people from Jersey City

  Any suggestions on dealing with User:Richard apple, who has been chronically adding entries as notables to articles for places in New Jersey and elsewhere, without required sources. I've reviewed the requirements of WP:LISTPEOPLE several times on his talk page, but the response is edits like this one to the article for List of people from Jersey City, New Jersey‎, where he adds an unsourced entry with an edit summary stating that the material is "referenced on target page". He knows how to add sources, he just seems to be passively-aggressively refusing to do so. Any ideas? Alansohn (talk) 21:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

  Thanks for your two cents on this one. I think that we said the same thing in different words, but it always sounds more logical coming from someone else (and having it come from an admin doesn't hurt). Thanks again also for prodding me to create an article for Sean Connors, as well as for Marlene Caride, which leaves only one outstanding assembly member. Alansohn (talk) 23:55, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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  Kudos

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  Dionysus

  Please provide a more explanatory edit summary than "Coherent wording" in connection with your edits to this article. While I have no doubts your edit was on the level, I must admit there is nothing in the diff which makes it self-explainatory as compared to the previous version. So please take the time to explain the fundamentals of your edit to slower minds like me, so we can get on with more important issues. Thank you. --Saddhiyama (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

  Mr. A

  Hi! You uploaded this file http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Witzend_MrA_ByDitko.jpg Very very good, but it happens that it's not from 1967, as you noted, but from a 1968 comic book, Witzend #4, Mr. A's second adventure, as you can see here http://www.comics.org/issue/371402/ I fixed it in the article but the file still features the mistaken info. Thanks. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thiago CA Leal (talk • contribs) 00:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

  C. J. Henderson

  Hello. In my defense, the article's infobox listed Bridgeville, PA (which is in Allegheny County) as Henderson's birthplace when I made the edit, so by that criterion it seemed logical. The category might still fit him if he lived there for a substantial amount of time. For now I'll leave that hanging. Best wishes. Bjones (talk) 23:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

  Star Trek: Titan

  Hi. Would the official Star Trek website be considered a valid source for information on new books in the Titan series? Transphasic (talk) 23:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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  Kirk Cameron: Emergence > production_production-2013-09-21T04:47:00.000Z">

  I don't think that "production" is a good replacement (on Kirk Cameron) because it's not talking about the production of the movie, but the upcoming airing. Maybe I was thinking of imminence instead of emergence. I've been trying hard to think of something else. "Upcoming" doesn't quite work because it sounds too much like it's talking about now. Any ideas/solutions? --Musdan77 (talk) 04:47, 21 September 2013 (UTC)_production"> _production">

  I think it's much better. I wasn't sure we wanted be that detailed about it, but that's fine with me. There is one word that I would change (if you don't mind). The first "prior" to "previous" -- instead of having two "priors" within a few words. Thanks. --Musdan77 (talk) 21:44, 21 September 2013 (UTC)_production"> _production">

  Portland jobs

  This was neither a group job nor a free to pursue interests. ON THE SHOW, Joi says she left because none of the 3 jobs SET UP BY THE SHOW fit her interests. There is a CLEAR implication that she HAD to take part in one of these three jobs and that she left because even though Portland has other things, she could not FREELY pursue them as part of the cast. There is a CLEAR understanding that the interview opportunities, where the ENTIRE CAST interviewed, were opportunities given by production. This was not like DC where it was totally on the cast to find things and nothing was handed to them in terms of interviews. It's similar to Chicago: Chicago was parks & rec and the cast split into different parks jobs. Portland was eateries. The cast had a choice ONLY between the three after the thre venues' bosses interviewed them. This is not Nightscream presents Misplaced Pages. --Wefjkwsjkls (talk) 23:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

  Let Go, Let Gov

  Hello and thank you for putting the time in reasoning your edits against mine. Not much I could find, but this review calls them Chinese and this one acknowledges that they are racist stereotypes – and Trey Parker has done this voice plenty times in past episodes. Maybe it was a bit of a leap in logic on my end to assume that it was a wink at the part of Snowden's story that involved China (albeit a sensible one), but we can agree that at least "Asian" would be acceptable. By the way, they never actually say they're Jehovah's witnesses, isn't that original research too? Chunk5Darth (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

  Danielle Mackey

  Hey, so the punctuation thing I can fix no problem, and the college info was gotten from a few of Danielle Mackey's videos. She's mentioned several times (including on King of the Nerds) that she went to Utica college, for the dual major, and left because the stress of having a full time job along with college was too much, so she decided to leave school. I did not think something like that needed an explicit citation and even if it did, I would have to go through the hundreds of her videos I've watched and hunt down the timestamp, and just, overall, it wouldn't be a very professional looking citation, even if I were able to make it happen. This isn't hearsay, this is a fact she's stated several times both in her videos and on TV. In addition, the removal of the other content was just in an overall attempt to clean up the article and make it more accurate. For example, the line 2 changes (as seen here - https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Danielle_Mackey&diff=574774357&oldid=574708217) were to improve the accuracy of the article. While she does host the Wow Insider show, she hosts more of them now, so I thought it would be more accurate to say she works full time through her channel, as opposed to before, where it made it seem as if she only hosted the WoW show. Also she's started heavily using her Etsy shop, for a variety of gaming related trinkets and signed memorabilia, and this is a facet of what she does as well, which is why I included it in the section that focused on her career. And her subscriber numbers have increased, obviously, so that's why I included that. And further down, the "Gaming and Modeling" heading was changed to "Gaming" as before, despite its title, there was NO mention of any modeling she does (of which she does little to none, beyond taking professional photos to sell and/or give to fans) and to this day, she does no modeling, so I thought the "and modeling" was unnecessary. I also went into detail about some of the games she enjoys, knowing this from a video she did in which she detailed some of her favorite video games of all time (as of that video's air date) She herself has also stated she's played hundreds of console games over the years. Also, I did forget to do the edit summary for these, which was completely my bad, and the lack of citation is because a lot of the information can't be cited. I've gleaned it from being a fan of hers for over a year and a half and watching hundreds of her videos. There's tons more stuff I didn't include here, I only included things I saw as important or relevant to what someone would have on a wikipedia page, especially someone who isn't quite as famous. So could the changes be reverted? I worked hard fiddling and citing and making it look nice, and I think my rationale for 99 percent of my changes is pretty sound. Lemme know if there's anything else you'd need (or Misplaced Pages would need, I guess) for me to get these changes reverted. You could even message Danielle Mackey directly, and she could confirm most, if not all, of my changes. Anyway, thanks in advance for the assistance!

  Edit: The surrender@20 link looks fine to me, even when i clicked the one in your talk message, it went directly to that part of the site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishoto (talk • contribs) 03:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  Well fine, I guess I'll only put the stuff that can be cited back in. But I removed a citation because it linked to an empty page. Just as a note, I like how an empty citation can pass by, but my edits can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishoto (talk • contribs) 03:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  Well, citation number 2, the CNYhomepage one, is dead. Also, I was in the middle of cleaning up a lot of my past stuff, when u reverted my revert :P I'd reverted it, because I planned to clean it up and fiz the errors you mentioned. I'd removed the citations that could be construed as self promotional, and I placed them in the secondary source area. Check my most recent edit (after I reverted it to my changes, but before this most recent revert to before I changed anything) and u should be able to see my process. Kishoto (talk) 03:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  Found out one of the cited sources had the info I'd included about college so I put it back in and cited it. Also, if the information I want to add was revealed in a Youtube video, how would I cite that? Since directly referencing Youtube channels is seen as promotional. Kishoto (talk) 03:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  Well, I'm tired now, so I'm prob not gonna bother doing too much, but there IS a video where she talks about her top 5 favorite video games, and that's where I'd gotten the info about what console video games she plays (or used to play) So I would've cited that, to add in the info about her liking Halo and Pokemon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishoto (talk • contribs) 04:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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  IMDb RfC

  First off, I just realized you were an administrator, and I find that really funny for some reason, but lucky you :). Second you might want to comment at Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 5, since I actually nominated the IMDb template that is used on BLPs for deletion, since it seems like just asking for WP:BLP violations to me. I could use some support, since all the fanboys are "strong keeping" it, you know since, because they put strong in front of it that makes their opionion madder so much more.</sarcasm> STATic message me! 22:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

  Hey, you should have gave me a heads up you were talking about references, I thought more experienced editors also did not like using IMDb, as I had only seen IPs add it to a few film articles I watchlist. I would have rather avoided all the bad faith accusations in the TfD discussion, when I was just trying to uphold WP:BLP. I guess I am more used to users with common sense, oh well though. I think the TfD message needs be adjusted too, rather than imply it is a discussion about deletion, it should say there is a discussion about the template going on, I think that is one of the reason it was bombarded with "strong keeps". I honestly see no point in keeping the discussion going, because when it comes down to it, it'll just be a straw poll, and the BLP issues will be ignored. I am thinking about taking it to WP:EL, or something, but after all the uncivilness from some of the commentators at the TfD, I do not know. So as an administrator you can close it as a withdraw, but the early voters showed a support of deleting the unused Template:IMDb bio, so I think that would be uncontroversal to do so.STATic message me! 02:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

  Your advice on Notable people in city articles

  Hi there, I know you do a lot of editing on cities and would like to ask your advice. The wiki article for Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, has two lists of notable people. One list is on the main article page, while another list is on a "list of people from Hamilton, Ontario" page. I've seen this used before with larger cities, and I'm concerned about how arbitrary the names are placed onto each list. A while back I wrote a note on the Hamilton talk-page asking why a rock star was on the 'main page', while a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner was on the 'list page'. Someone responded that "it's really about how well- or widely-known the individual is." I looked in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline for some guidance but no luck. Would it be appropriate to seek consensus to move ALL the names off the main page and onto the list page? Any advice you have would be appreciated. Thanks. Richard Apple (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

  Thanks so much for your help. I'm going to put a note on the Hamilton talk page about moving all the names to the list page. Cheers! Richard Apple (talk) 21:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

  On RedLetterMedia and the quote/cite thing

  I had to check with WT:Citing sources, but you are right; it used to be required that a cite needed to immediately follow the sentence even if that mean you had cites every sentence, but the language has been changed about 2 years ago purposely to remove that requirement, as long as the next cite in prose is connected and from the same source, so that there is no possible confusion about where the quote may have come from. So my apologizes on that. :) --MASEM (t) 22:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

  Neutral notice

  This is a neutral notice to all registered editors who have edited Jack Kirby in 2013 that there is a discussion on its talk page regarding the article's infobox image: Talk:Jack Kirby#Photo update.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

  From the help desk

  FYI, you are mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Help desk#Speedy Deletion Flag. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Your talk page post here is formatted to reply to Gråbergs Gråa Sång. So where you write "Your accusation that I "ruthlessly vandalized your Misplaced Pages page" is false" you appear to be stating that Gråbergs Gråa Sång made the accusation, which is not correct or fair to Gråbergs Gråa Sång. -- Jreferee (talk)

  Photography

  I don't usually comment on non-pertinent topics or make personal discussions, but I have to say, your photography work is amazing! I am truly impressed and grateful to come across such a unique, real-world contributor! DarthBotto _talk•cont 17:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

  Not to Sarah Palin you, (I'm Alaskan, by the way), I was thinking this while looking over your photographs of all those iconic individuals. I truly admire your dedication for capturing such shots. DarthBotto _talk•cont 21:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

  Ah, yes. What I meant was that I don't really like answering in her typical fashion with, "All of them". But truth be told, I do collectively like your work that I've seen. I hope my vagueness doesn't offend you, because I think it's fantastic that you have so many good pieces that I can't simply choose one! DarthBotto _talk•cont 23:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

  File:ThrillaInManilaPoster.jpg listed for deletion

  A file that you uploaded or altered, File:ThrillaInManilaPoster.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 22:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

  Angels and Demons

  Thankz 4 da corrections mate.. Moving it to the film section seems okay 2 me. Please don't use harsh words in your advice..Rameshnta909 (talk) 09:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)Rameshnta909

  Carrie (2013 film) dispute

  @Nightscream: You don't seem to like the RT template being used in Carrie (2013 film). I have checked multiple times to make sure I don't make a fool of myself. I really don't understand what you mean by saying that the template deletes the consensus. If you look at both versions, mine and yours, it is exactly the same, except for the wording. This is my version with the template added, and this is your version without the template. Both versions still have the consensus.

  My version, with the template:

  The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported a 49% approval rating with an average rating of 5.5/10 based on 90 reviews. The website's consensus reads, "It boasts a talented cast, but Kimberly Peirce's "reimagining" of Brian De Palma's horror classic finds little new in the Stephen King novel -- and feels woefully unnecessary."

  Your version, without the template:

  On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds a 49% approval rating with an average rating of 5.5/10 based on 100 reviews, with the consensus being "It boasts a talented cast, but Kimberly Pierce's 'reimagining' of Brian De Palma's horror classic finds little new in the Stephen King novel, and feels woefully unnecessary."

  Thanks, Koopatrev (talk) 08:07, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

  Marvel Comics Prison deletion discussion

  I am inviting you to take part in a deletion discussion revolving around some of the Marvel Comics prisons taking place here, here, and here so that you can list your say in this. Rtkat3 (talk) 1:43, October 24 2013 (UTC)

  File:HistoryChannelThanksgiving.png listed for deletion

  A file that you uploaded or altered, File:HistoryChannelThanksgiving.png, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Taylor Trescott - + _{my edits} 23:30, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

  The Real World: San Francisco (2014)

  I just removed spoilers from the talk page on The Real World: San Francisco (2014) that was posted last month. Vevmo gives no indication about any replacement cast members. Without reading the spoiler threads, it is unknown as to how long filming lasted. DPH1110 (talk) 03:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)DPH1110

  Botto House

  Thank you for your message. I understand there was a problem in quoting a non totally reliable source. Let me try again, by citing a very reliable source, that is the article published by Dennis J. Starr in The Italian American Experience: An Encyclopedia / eds. Salvatore J. LaGumina, and others (New York: Garland Pub., 2000), p.70. which is one of the most authoritative publications on the Italian Americans. When I have done it, please let me know if everything is OK now. Thanks again.--Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

  Thanks for all recommendations. The article is much better now. There is an interesting article online, which contains further information, including the fact the house was in fact built on 1908, at ]. Is this considered a reliable source? It gives more details about the house and the events of the strike. It also says that the strike ended in July, not in June as claimed in the Encyclopedia, which it is correct (see the Misplaced Pages article on the Paterson Silk Strike)--Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 22:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

  I understand. But I have now found a much better source, that is, a biography of "Maria Botto" in a book published by Syracuse University Press--a very reliable scholarly source. I made new additions following - I believe - all your instructions.--Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

  Yes. I think you may check it online at Google Books. It is a very nice biography of "Maria Botto".--Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 00:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

  Garnett Bailey

  Hey fool, the NHL link does not mention either Krasne or Bailey. It's irrelevant. The fact that you're digging in to retain it, irrelevant as it is, suggests to me that you like to bicker just to bicker. The link you refer to as reporting by "CBS News" is just a local story by a CBS TV affiliate in LA.

  It's very unseemly to devote that large a proportion of a short article to nearly meaningless gesture by a self-aggrandizing fan 10 years after Bailey's death. I note that it took more than a year for anybody even to add this trivial info to Bailey's article. Bailey's career matters to hockey fans. Krasne doesn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.145.77 (talk) 05:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

  Let me make one thing perfectly clear to you.

  The next time you violate Misplaced Pages's policy on civility, including its prohibition on personally attacking other editors, as you did when you addressed me as "fool", or its policy on Assumption of Good Faith, as you did when you falsely accused me, without evidence, of sockpuppetry, I will contact other administrators and have you blocked from editing. You wanna disagree with another editor? Fine. Conflicts happen all the time on Misplaced Pages, and the way to work them out is to try to resolve them in a civil manner. Begin a discussion on the article talk page. Argue your point of view. Invite other editors to weigh in. But do not attack other editors. Ever.

  For now, I'll put aside your obnoxious comments, and begin a discussion on the article talk page. I'll invite other editors to weigh in. But if I see you violating policy again, your editing privileges will be taken away from you.

  Also, please make sure you sign your talk page posts, which makes it easier for everyone to know who they're addressing. You can do this by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of them, which also automatically time stamps them. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

  Ha ha, you make snide comments to others but heaven forefend that anybody respond in kind. You're a classic Wiki admin troll. You clowns dig in on a topic and refuse to permit obviously needed changes just to make yourselves feel important. Hilarious reviewing your previous edits of the Bailey page. Somebody adds the RELEVANT info that Bailey scored a game-winning goal in the '72 Stanley Cup Finals, and you immediately delete it. Why? Because the editor didn't supply a citation for this EASILY VERIFIED FACT. You who had just reprimanded a different user for deleting the obviously inaccurate original version of the fluffing of Krasne, insisting that the thing to do is fix errors rather than delete something factual. Like a said, a self-serving troll is what you are.

  As to the topic, get a clue. Krasne is a nobody. His gesture is all but meaningless and certainly inconsequential in the extreme. If the subject of honoring Bailey after the SC win matters, then the fact that the Kings organization honored his relatives ought to be the focus...not some self-aggrandizing fan. There's a story about that at NHL.com. Unlike the pointless link that you insist on retaining, which does not even mention Bailey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.138.10 (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

  Scarlett Johansson

  Could you provide your opinion at this discussion at the talk page for Scarlett Johansson? Thanks, Dismas| 05:10, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

  Nick Cardy

  Ah, man, sorry, Night. I swear, I never got an "Edit Conflict" screen; when that happens, I normally copy-paste my changes to Word, leave the editing mode and then come back in. So odd — more computer weirdness.

  It's nice that Nick lived such a long and fruitful life. I should probably buy the book biography. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

  List of suicides page

  hey i noticed you made this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_suicides&diff=580509916&oldid=580427001 but i wanna ask something, if thats the case then is Bartlomiej Palosz's suicide allowed on the page too since he doesn't have a article either? Same goes for Olivia Penpraze (both of them are listed in the 'P' section), I just figured if Matt's suicide isn't allowed on there why are their's allowed? just wondering ya know. --Second Skin (talk) 23:45, November 6, 2013

  i'll sign my posts for now on, I recently joined under the name Synthetically Revived but changed my name to fit my favorite Dying Fetus song. I read a lot about the rules, but a few things still puzzle me. Hope I'm not a disruption. Thanks again. Second Skin (talk) 06:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

  Ditko

  Hi, Night. Just a neutral notice to a fellow Comics Project member that you might want to keep an eye on the Steve Ditko article. With regards, Tenebrae (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

  List of Pawn Stars episodes

  I removed it cause it shouldn't be in that section, and it doesn't really make sense. Koala15 (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

  Ehh it seems more like fancruft WP:OR than anything, and cannot be in the references section if you think it should be somewhere on the page then move it outta that section. Koala15 (talk) 05:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

  First of all the episode list is self explanatory i mean many sites show you where the seasons begin and end, noting some Bloomberg Businessweek article doesn't really add anything. Koala15 (talk) 05:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

  I think ive came up with a compromise we can both agree on. Tell me what you think. Koala15 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

  Carrie (2013 film)

  First off, I am the one who did that revision you warned me about due to having no citations for a character's supposed death/mere injurings. HOWEVER, I noticed that similar, albeit wordier edits were placed on the synopsis. So either that person was able to cite stuff that I didn't, or you're picking and choosing based on word count, and I have no idea which it is. MRattas (talk) 05:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

  I cannot really pinpoint anything anymore. The synopsis has been edited heavily since my message was posted. It does say that Tommy was killed by the bucket to the head (at the time of this message), and it shortens the whole Chris/Billy deal to merely having Carrie kill them with no detail. MRattas (talk) 23:06, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

  Re: Ginger Cow

  I've left a message for you on the Ginger Cow talk page. By the way, I just love the condescending tone you used. I also love how you went out of your way to complain about my errors rather than fixing them. What a friendly contributer you are. --Sage94 (talk) 08:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

  Left you another message. Yeah, I really didn't care as much as you, but the fact remains that you are condescending, whether you want to admit it or not.--Sage94 (talk) 05:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

  Anyways, you may be giving me criticism, but it's coming off as insulting.--Sage94 (talk) 07:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

  Joe Kubert

  A year after his death, editing has died down. "Pending changes" or full unprotection? --George Ho (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

  About comics

  Hello Nightscream, Remember me? We met at one of the NYC WP conferences. I wanted to ask you about comic book stores in Manhattan. Could you drop me an email if you have the time?? if not, maybe you can say so on my talk page. Thanks so much Invertzoo (talk) 15:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  Jimmy Palmiotti

  Hi, had a very eager family member wanting to update my page, sorry for that. Take out whatever doesnt work , fit or Is not within guidelines. JIMMY PALMIOTTI (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  List of changes in Star Wars re-releases

  I removed an incorrect punctuation and forgot to add the period back. Oh man, my command of the English language is so bad, I must never ever contribute to an encyclopedia! By the way, "...removed via to digital compositing." isn't correct, and that was YOUR edit. Maybe you shouldn't edit on an encyclopedia. 65.129.120.184 (talk) 23:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  Everyone makes typos occassionally, but you one-off IP editors do so with a disproportionate frequency. There isn't a single editor that hasn't made mistakes, but whenever I comes across some edit in which an editor writes a sentence without punctuation, proper spelling or grammar, etc., it's almost always an anonymous IP editor, often one that makes a one-off edit. You wanna compare the level of care you exhibit when editing articles to mine? Go ahead. I've written two Good Articles. () How many have you written? I've gotten two professional writing assignments solely on the basis of my Misplaced Pages work. Have you? Nightscream (talk) 01:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

  Arkham: Image opinion

  I was wondering if you could give your opinion on an image I am questioning adding. Could you let me know which image you feel represents the Batman: Arkham page better: the one currently on the page, or this one at the top of the article? The one on the page now is more neutral, thus applying generally, but the one in the article, I feel, is a better representation of the main games, as it incorporates the design used by each. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

  

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  Pedro Knight

  The underscores in the background field are required to set the color of the infobox header. Thanks for asking! Bonnie (talk) 04:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

  AJ Lee meets Lita

  AJ lee met Lita in stead of deleting it you could have helped me here is the source. WWE has video of AJ lee meeting Lita she then signs a copy of Lita it just feels right and gave her the sharpie she used How was this not included in her Bio its amazing to see AJ meet Lita and now she's in WWE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alX4vwZNhH8 96.254.36.127 (talk) 15:13, November 20, 2013

  Disruptive imposition of citation formats in violation of WP:CITEVAR

  Take a look at WP:CITEVAR, which states rather clearly that "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference" and that " If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it." I'm not sure what you think you have accomplished or what you're trying to prove, but this is far from the first time you've made similar useless changes to impose your arbitrary preferences, without ever discussing the issue or demonstrating that there is some greater purpose in imposing your preferred standard. Your persistent disruptive actions are exactly what WP:CITEVAR is designed to prevent. The changes you made to the article for Secaucus, New Jersey added absolutely zero to the article and the one dead link you "fixed" and replaced with this link is a copyright violation / Linkspam of a real-estate agency that has improperly copied the legitimate content from the original website. Your changes have been reverted, your one LINKSPAM / COPYVIO source has been corrected and you are free to make the case that there is some reason why this article is better with your changes. Alansohn (talk) 21:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

  Do not accuse me of disruptive editing, or any other infraction, unless you are prepared to illustrate that intent to the exclusion of other, less nefarious motives. If you want to know my rationale for my edits, read my edit summaries, or ask me. You do not assume, in arbitrary, knee-jerk fashion, a negative motive, unless you're ready to face yet another ANI discussion about your flinging WP:AGF, WP:CIV and WP:NPA out the window.

  Apologize for your unjustified accusation, and ask me to explain the edits in greater detail, and I'll do so.

  As for the inappropriate copyvio link, point it out, and I'll remove it.

  Revert the article again, and I will have it protected until you are willing to discus the manner in a civil manner. Nightscream (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

  I call a spade, a spade. You are a spade. You aren't getting an apology, and you aren't entitled to one. WP:CITEVAR is intended to address the concerns of editors like you disrupting an article to impose their preferred format and wording. You have nothing to stand on. There is a consistent citation format used in this article, and you have changed the 99.9% to match the .1% you feel is inconsistent. The ones that are inconsistent with the prevailing standard are the ones that need to be changed, not vice versa. You changed nothing in the article but one link, and the one link you added was a blatant LINKSPAM that improperly copied content that belongs to New Jersey Monthly magazine. All you had to do to see what was changed was to look at the edit history. I look forward to your cooperation in respecting consensus on citation formatting and to avoid any further such abusive editing and arbitrary formatting changes in reverts. Alansohn (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

  Citation for article Asia Carrera

  Thank you for your notice here. A reference shall be found to support that claim. 14.200.68.118 (talk) 03:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  Gus Fring

  Hi Nightscream, I was wondering if you could assist me with a quarrel I've been having with an editor on the Gus Fring page. I'm not sure this constitutes vandalism according to Misplaced Pages's guidelines, therefore I am asking for your expert opinion and possibly intervention. Thank you. Chunk5Darth (talk) 05:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  Great job (Re: Photos)

  Hi Nightscream, I just wanted to say "thanks" for all of the photographs which you have contributed to Misplaced Pages over the years. As I've worked on various comics creators articles, I've noticed that you provided most of the photos on them. Thanks for sharing your time and talent and have a great Thanksgiving! Mtminchi08 (talk) 05:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

  Hinduism

  Hi Night scream. I've reverted your removal of references at Hinduism diff. Your removal makes perfect sense, yet the reason for this 'overkill' is that there are frequent disputes at this page. All except one reference were given for quotations, to make it very clear that they were sourced, and what source exactly. I hope this makes sense too. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

  Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon" at Queens Library! Friday December 6

  Please join Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon on December 6, 2013! Everyone gather at Queens Library to further Misplaced Pages's local outreach for borough articles on the history and the communities. Drop-ins welcome 10am-7pm!--Pharos (talk) ~~~~~

  Jeremy Glick

  That was an accidental revert on my part, thanks for re-adding the information. John Reaves 02:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

  Jessica Nigri: Regarding your apology and revert

  Do it ASAP because it's an article that's "7035 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org" and you inflicted a lot of damage to it and to my hard work. --Niemti (talk) 02:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

  https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Nightscream_VS_Jessica_Nigri_.28and_Facebook_and_what_not.29 --Niemti (talk) 03:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

  December 2013

  

  You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 for using your admin flag to perpetuate an edit war in violation of WP:3RR after the page was FPP'ed because of the dispute, and you were specifically notified to cease editing the article until the dispute was resolved., as you did at Jessica Nigri. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason= There was no perpetuation of an edit war on my part. My edits were to uphold various policies and guidelines, including WP:USERG, WP:SELFPUB, WP:NOTADVERT, and WP:PSTS, by removing personal Facebook fan pages, YouTube videos, personal blogs and other clearly non-reliable sources being used as citations in the article, in addition to the various other improvements I made to the article, such as copyediting, formatting, added missing citation publication info, etc. It was the serial policy violator Niemti who engaged in edit-warring by doing blind, knee-jerk mass-reverts of these edits, and now Salvidrim! who has perpetuated it. All of these policy violations (and others) are detailed in this discussion on Niemti's talk page and in this ANI discussion in which Niemti tried unsuccessfully to take action against me by falsely accusing me of "indiscriminate" editing. Now if Salvidrim! or anyone else wants to have a discussion that the YouTube videos of anonymous nobodies and fan blogs are reliable sources (note that I retained the videos by Kassem G, IGN and others who appeared to be notable--something that required me to painstaking go through all the citations to check their reliabiity, mind you), then they should begin a discussion and argue why they feel this way. But no one has done so, because no one is challenging the notion that such sources are unreliable, and that the material in question should have been fact-tagged. The only discussion currently ongoing on the article's talk page is whether to include the cosplay/modeling appearances at all, and not about the source reliability issue. So there is no "edit warring" on my part, only on Niemti, and now Salvidrim!, neither of whom have bothered to offer any discussion on the matter of the reliability of anonymous YouTube videos and other user-generated material. (Niemti has argued that Nigri's own Facebook page, which is self-published, should be allowed, but that's a violation of WP:SELFPUB, which is another matter. You can't lock down a page or prevent reverts unless the matter is being discussed, so unless Salvidrim! or another editor have some line of argument or reasoning with which to challenge the reliability issue, as well all the other edits I made that Niemti blindly reverted without explaining what was wrong with them, then my removal of that material, and the other various edits I made to the article (which Salvidrim! apparently did not examine) should be judged to be valid. Since there was no discussion of this, there was no "edit warring", as Niemti was already warned by several other admins on his talk page and at ANI that he was the one who was in the wrong. There was no intent to edit war on my part, and blocking me, when Niemti himself suffered no such sanctions, is backwards}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 17:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Note that I'm not specifically saying you're wrong and someone else is right concerning the content dispute itself; but edit warring is never an appropriate solution, period. I'm willing to consider unblocking if you'll agree to not edit Jessica Nigri until the protection expires and/or is lifted due to the resolution of the dispute. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 17:37, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
  1. The Fantastic Four, V1N48, March 1966, "Marvel Bullpen Bulletins!" page (no page number)