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| :It would not be enough to simply remove all those entries. For example should e merged to both ] and ]. I suggest that you recreate the category pages, and list them at ], so that other editors can assess what to do with them. --] <small>] • (])</small> 03:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | :It would not be enough to simply remove all those entries. For example should e merged to both ] and ]. I suggest that you recreate the category pages, and list them at ], so that other editors can assess what to do with them. --] <small>] • (])</small> 03:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :: Two things: 1. You realize these categories were all made within a month's time right? And therefore it's ridiculous to act like I've undone years worth of categorization? 2. I don't believe I volunteer on this project to be told to do more work, especially on my weekend (unlike several people here I have two very time consuming jobs and a nephew to help raise, on top of the edits I do here). You're more than capable of helping out yourself BHG, especially when you're the admin that caused the community to place those sanctions in the first place. It's a team effort here, don't push all the work on me. (TPH, thank you for bringing that to my attention I'll take a look at it on Monday.) <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 06:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | :: Two things: 1. You realize these categories were all made within a month's time right? And therefore it's ridiculous to act like I've undone years worth of categorization? 2. I don't believe I volunteer on this project to be told to do more work, especially on my weekend (unlike several people here I have two very time consuming jobs and a nephew to help raise, on top of the edits I do here). You're more than capable of helping out yourself BHG, especially when you're the admin that caused the community to place those sanctions in the first place. It's a team effort here, don't push all the work on me. (TPH, thank you for bringing that to my attention I'll take a look at it on Monday.) <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 06:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::The deletion of these categories has resulted in redlinked categories on pages (which is wrong per ]) and, for example, incorrectly removed all/most Americans from ] (some of whom had been in that category for months). The categories should be re-created and then (where appropriate) CFD/CSDed properly. Note: I'm posting here because this is where the discussion is, not to "tell" Coffee to do the tidyup, although it would be nice if Coffee at least acknowleged that the category pages should be undeleted (that way editors, like myself, might be less reluctant to undo an admin's actions). ] (]) 19:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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User talk:194.75.171.33
I can see where the user undid edits by an administrator, but not administrative actions (which would be AFD and other discussion closures, and handling requests for unblock or edits to protected articles). Does this refer to edits that have now been deleted from the contributions page? Peter James (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
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Recovering a deleted page's content
I see that the resolution of the debate on List of Web Performance Resources was delete, but I would like to obtain the most recent content of the article so I can move it elsewhere. I understand that this content is not appropriate for Misplaced Pages, so I would like to add it to a more appropriate place. Is there any way you can get that to me? Jnklein314 (talk) 22:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Jnklein314: I've sent you an email with the page's contents at the time of deletion. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 22:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! I got it. Cheers, Jnklein314 (talk) 22:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Potential sockpuppet of Levineps
Recently, User:Oriole85 (contribs) has been sporadically popping up on my watchlist for category-related changes. A lot of new users do that, so it wasn't a particularly noteworthy thing for me. But then he kept showing up with a higher frequency, oftentimes making (what I thought to be) completely unnecessary over-categorizations to articles. I've been on Misplaced Pages long enough to know that User:Levineps (contribs) is one of the most notorious over-categorizers we've ever seen (and has the community sanctions, block records, and bans to show for it). So, I did about two minutes' worth of research and discovered that Oriole85's account was created / his edits began on November 5, 2013. When was the last edit by Levineps? November 4, 2013. That is not a coincidence IMO. I don't have (a) the time right now, nor (b) the motivation to formally open an SPI, but I'm hoping that one of the many people I'm notifying about this does. If you're wondering why you're being pinged about this, it's because I saw where you were one of the people who has left messages on Levineps' talk page at some point regarding his inappropriate editing. So now, in addition to all of the aforementioned issues with Levineps, it looks like a probably sockpuppet to throw into the mix. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
- Jrcla2: I appreciate the heads up and have blocked both accounts. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 15:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Re:
I actually undid the change because I thought it was legitimate... until I saw that he was a sock of someone who had been banned/blocked for aggressive overcategorization. ViperSnake151 Talk 17:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thomas A. O'Donnell categories
Hello. You made 2 category changes here. I can't figure out the rationale. Seems the other categories were more specific. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC) Oh. Actually I see you are reverting a sock. If you don't mind, I'll put in the more specific categories myself. 18:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
WTF.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, like your non-existent edit summary, perhaps you should be as considerate of others as you demand for your own actions. The "Edit Summery" is for *everyone*, not just the Hoi Polloi such as myself. =//= Johnny Squeaky 22:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not going to put in an edit summary for the over 1,000 edits that were done by this user, and I'm not required to do so. Perhaps you should read our WP:ROLLBACK policy again my friend. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 23:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Parent categories and sub categories
I've noticed that you have been removing many articles from categories and adding parent categories. As an example, I just reverted Todd Mitchell where you removed "Sportspeople from Toledo, Ohio" and added "People from Toledo, Ohio." Per WP:SUBCAT, articles should rarely be in both and there really isn't a reason this article (and many like it) should be in the less specific parent category when the entire sub-category is already in it. I just wanted to give you a heads up that I plan to revert the basketball articles where this was done. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 01:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- OK, now I get what you were doing. There were still several instances where valid sub categories were removed, but I am sure that reverting so many edits you weren't able to spend a lot of time scrutinizing them all. Sorry for the trouble. Rikster2 (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- I understand your intentions were good... but I'm getting tired of seeing editors misuse their rollback rights. Simply put, you are not allowed to use rollback to revert policy permitted administrative rollbacks. I'm considering removing the next person's rights who does this. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 13:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
You have reverted a great number of perfectly valid categorizations without any reason that I can comprehend. I've reverted a handful, but I fear it will take quite some time to get them all. Please help me understand what on Earth you thought you were doing. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- User:Orangemike: You're the 5th person to not take the time to see that the user that made those edits was banned, and that the community has already said they don't want this over-categorization. If you notice... those categories you added back are now deleted. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 15:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Coffee, you're not the first admin who has started a mindless march through Misplaced Pages to undo edits by a banned user, without taking even a moment to realize that a significant and overwhelming percentage of the edits you have reverted make Misplaced Pages worse. In classic We had to destroy the village to save it fashion, the failure to take a fraction of a second to distinguish between useful edits and non-useful edits in this editor's case would have shown that the community you are defending is only harmed by your actions. Count me as the sixth person to notice that your actions are making Misplaced Pages worse with each of these indiscriminate reverts. Alansohn (talk) 16:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- Did you notice that you had added redlinked categories to those articles? I think you're talking out of your ass. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you're still clueless, take a look at these community sanctions. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- I think that you are the clueless ass, but thanks for your opinion. Its great to see an admin back up his destructive actions with a carelessly aimed personal attack. I had reviewed all of the edits you made to articles on my watchlist before undoing your damage. The one redlinked category you have pointed out was redlinked because you vindictively deleted a category used in several other articles. From my perspective, it seems that you haven't looked at a single one of the edits you have systematically reverted and I am not the only person to question the damage you are wreaking. This brainless destructive process only makes Misplaced Pages worse. Alansohn (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- It was redlinked because I decided to delete it prior to finishing my reversions; all of the categories he created are going to be deleted per the community's consensus. But please, carry on thinking you know better than the slew of editors that put these sanctions in place. I don't have time for your childish behaviour/anti-admin axe grinding. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 17:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- Alansohn: And since you clearly still have not put forth the effort to click on the ban, here was the discussion from 2009: . (Where, might I add, you can see you're making the same arguments that the banned user did.) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 17:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- I really don't have the time to deal with your childish personal attacks, but please take a look at WP:BE, which states that while "Anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a block... This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a blocked editor... but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert." You are under absolutely no obligation to revert any (let alone all) of this user's edits, I have seen no evidence to justify your disruptive deletions of useful categories or reverts of productive edits, nor have you offered any explanation for why these are even ambiguous cases. I think that number seven chimed in below in the growing list of editors who disagree with your actions. Stop what you're doing, evaluate the community frustration with your actions and start evaluating how you can undo the damage you have already caused. Alansohn (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, you're obviously not going to listen so let me make this clear. Either read the ban, and the discussion that caused it (including the community allowing his edits to be reverted "without question"), or get the hell off my talk page. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 17:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- I really don't have the time to deal with your childish personal attacks, but please take a look at WP:BE, which states that while "Anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a block... This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a blocked editor... but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert." You are under absolutely no obligation to revert any (let alone all) of this user's edits, I have seen no evidence to justify your disruptive deletions of useful categories or reverts of productive edits, nor have you offered any explanation for why these are even ambiguous cases. I think that number seven chimed in below in the growing list of editors who disagree with your actions. Stop what you're doing, evaluate the community frustration with your actions and start evaluating how you can undo the damage you have already caused. Alansohn (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- I think that you are the clueless ass, but thanks for your opinion. Its great to see an admin back up his destructive actions with a carelessly aimed personal attack. I had reviewed all of the edits you made to articles on my watchlist before undoing your damage. The one redlinked category you have pointed out was redlinked because you vindictively deleted a category used in several other articles. From my perspective, it seems that you haven't looked at a single one of the edits you have systematically reverted and I am not the only person to question the damage you are wreaking. This brainless destructive process only makes Misplaced Pages worse. Alansohn (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you're still clueless, take a look at these community sanctions. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
If it matters, Coffee, I'm one person who agrees with your actions. The community has already reached a consensus on this banned editor's actions, and us having to treat all their edits in good faith to decide whether to keep them or not is basically rewarding them for their sockpuppetry. Delete all their edits; if they're worthwhile, a good-faith editor will eventually make them. Mbinebri 01:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
My undoings
Hello, Coffee! I think I'm doing this properly, but some edits you undid by a sock I restored because they were helpful and correct for the articles in question (see my contribs). I only undid the edits to the 3 Negro league articles (that's where I lurk) -- don't give a spit about the others. ;) FYI. Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.215.35 (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your understanding. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 17:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Categories and WikiProject Wisconsin
Hi-I had been putting the WikiProject Wisconsin templates on categories and templates concerning Wisconsin and Milwaukee so we know what we have. It gets frustrating at times because there are many categories and sometimes I wonder if we need some of them. Just a comment about categories. Thanks-RFD (talk) 18:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Deletion Review of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Carmarthenshire Coast Path
I note that you deleted the above article after an AfD, which I wasn't aware of.
Were you aware that this path is one of 8 which make up the Wales Coast Path and that a similar AfD was refused? An AfD by the same nominator (for both Gower and Swansea Bay Coast Path and South Wales Coast and Severn Estuary Coastal Path) was refused and the articles were NOT deleted. If you were aware of this other AfD, then you must have taken the discussions and outcome into account. Those who had contributed to these two should certainly have been informed of this AfD (Carmarthenshire Coast Path). Not one of those were informed, neither was I, as main creator of this article. In addition to this, Sionk did not "notify interested projects and editors" as is the norm. Indeed Wikietiquette has been ignored in this AfD by the nominator as per WP:AFDEQ:
- If a number of similar articles are to be nominated, it is best to make this a group nomination so that they can be considered collectively. This avoids excessive repetition which would otherwise tend to overload involved editors. - Not done. SionK should also have informed this AfD discussion of the outcome of the other AfD relating to the two other paths, where he failed to delete the articles.
- If you are proposing deletion of an article, you can send a friendly notice to those who contributed significantly to it and therefore might disagree with you. - Not done. It is also my view that those who contributed to the other AfD discussion should have been made aware of this.
There are only two WikiProjects which are relevant to this, and the nominator of this AfD didn't inform WikiProject Cardiff (which is right between these two Paths!) of it's existence.
Only two were in favor of deleting; three wanted to keep - with excellent reasons for doing so. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 21:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- Llywelyn2000: I'll do a thorough review of this next Monday, if you don't mind waiting. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 21:54, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- User:BOT-Twm Crys was notified of the AfD. I don't know who or what this is, but there were subsequently a number of editors of the article, including you. It is not obigatory to notify all editors of a nominated article. Presumably the article was on your 'watch list' is you were a significant contributor.
- The other AfD was closed as 'no consensus', despite most of the 'keep' votes not based on reliable evidence or Misplaced Pages policy. I informed the participants of that discussion that I'd nominated the 'Carmarthenshire Coast Path' article separately. Sionk (talk) 22:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
- Coffee: There are a number of incorrect statements in SionK's defence, but I'm not certain whether I should raise them here on your Talk page or elswhere. Seems odd starting a discussion on someone's Talk page! Please advise. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 02:19, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Help requested
Hello Coffee, I was wondering if you could help out with a very disruptive editor? I have noticed that you have had dealings with Johnny squeaky before and he seems to be up to his usual disruptive behavior yet again. Last night he started an edit war over your rollback on Leona Helmsley accusing others of being sock puppets and now he is reverting pertinent information on the Kleargear article with his usual comment of all I.P. Editors being a single editor using multiple I.P.s Others have tried to discuss but he just instigates and eggs people on. Any help would be appreciated 166.147.80.218 (talk) 01:48, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Cleanup
When you mass deleted Oriole85 (talk · contribs)'s contribs, you left behind a ton of redlink categories like Category:American male country singers. Could you please double check your work and see if there's anything in need of cleaning up? Ten Pound Hammer • 02:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- Coffee, there is a lot more to deleting a category than simple pressing the delete button on the category page. I encountered this with Category:African-American male rappers (deleted by you), which contains over 300 pages.
- It would not be enough to simply remove all those entries. For example should e merged to both Category:American country singers and Category:American male singers. I suggest that you recreate the category pages, and list them at WT:CFD, so that other editors can assess what to do with them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- Two things: 1. You realize these categories were all made within a month's time right? And therefore it's ridiculous to act like I've undone years worth of categorization? 2. I don't believe I volunteer on this project to be told to do more work, especially on my weekend (unlike several people here I have two very time consuming jobs and a nephew to help raise, on top of the edits I do here). You're more than capable of helping out yourself BHG, especially when you're the admin that caused the community to place those sanctions in the first place. It's a team effort here, don't push all the work on me. (TPH, thank you for bringing that to my attention I'll take a look at it on Monday.) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 06:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC)