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Pseudoscience sanctions notice

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--Bbb23 (talk) 00:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

• You have reverted three times today at the Rupert Sheldrake article. You are already aware that the article is subject to discretionary sanctions. Such behavior is disruptive. Consider this a warning that if you continue to engage in such conduct, now or in the future, you may be sanctioned without notice.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't know what rule you're referring to. I am also unaware of my breaking any. Please elucidate. Thanks. Barleybannocks (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Bbb23 is referring to a rule in Misplaced Pages about edit warring. WP:3RR is considered the bright line (but, in some articles, there is WP:1RR imposed as well). I have taken issue with Bbb23's notices of users (including myself) today for edit warring. It is, I think, poor form to accuse a user of edit warring without referring to the diffs and explain why they are reverts if it is not obvious. In your case, Barleybannocks, I would not consider all your edits today to be reverts, personally, but I cannot tell what Bbb23 was thinking because the notices do not include enough information to divine this. I have asked Bbb23 to stop acting as an administrator here because I do not think this sort of threatening behavior is helpful. Hope this explains some things. jps (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I see, but by my count I have only reverted twice: once today and once yesterday (both within 24hrs though). Thanks for letting me know the rule. I will endeavour to not revert at all, but would still like Bbb23 to clarify since I want to be absolutely sure what counts as a revert.Barleybannocks (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I think all three of us who were notified today (yourself, User:Vzaak, and myself) deserve some clarification. jps (talk) 23:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I seemed to have hit a nerve with my criticism of the administrator, as now I am requested no longer to post on User:Bbb23's user talkpage. You can see my analysis in this diff. In short, I pretty much agree with your argument. jps (talk) 23:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Pro-Sheldrake sources

Can you please post them separately, either on my talk page or here. I'm struggling a little might just be a bit tired (not emotional). Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Have been a bit sidetracked with other things. Will put together a list with links on the talk page of the sheldrake article in the next day or so.Barleybannocks (talk) 23:26, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Admin noticeboard

This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. jps (talk) 00:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

3RR

I'm sympathetic to your view that 3RR is poorly named. Early in my editing career I was informed that I was in violation of or close to violating 3RR. I was stunned because I hadn't reverted (in the ordinary dictionary sense) once. Then I read the rule, and realized it was far broader than I had assumed. As Bbb23 notes, the rule has a long history, and if anything is done, it would be to change the name to confirm to the usage, not the other way around. — Sphilbrick ( talk) 18:51, 20 November 2013‎ (UTC)

(( Added the name of the person who left you this message, which was forgotten when they left it, and SineBot was asleep at the wheel. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 07:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC) ))

Barley & Bannock

Your name intersects some of my Misplaced Pages edits. Through some sort of other editing, I got interested in bannocks and made some contributions to the Bannock article. I also got interested, I don't remember how, in Bere (grain) and started an article on it. All that led to my getting some bere meal from some barley experts in the U.S. My wife ended up making a bannock out of it, which we ate. We liked what she made, but we don't know if it was a proper beremeal bannock, since we'd never seen or tasted any sort of bannock before. Misplaced Pages makes strange bedfellows. Lou Sander (talk) 02:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Lou, I'm shocked! Telling barleybannocks that you and your spouse often enjoy devouring both barley and also bannocks! No threats here, this is wikipedia!!  :-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 06:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration Request Notification

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Persistent Bullying of Rupert Sheldrake Editors and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Askahrc (talk • contribs) 19:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm notifying everyone to whom this Arb's request applies. Please consider responding.David in DC (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Seconding the request to consider responding. Need not be long-winded, a couple pertinent sentences, may well trump verbosity. That said, nobody is WP:REQUIRED; totally is up to you. HTH. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 06:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for arbitration rejected

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For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Warning

You are a single purpose account and your editing of Rupert Sheldrake (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is consistently tendentious. The article falls under the purview of previous arbitration, I will ask you nicely once to make no edits to the article without first achieving consensus. If you won't abide by that I will have to go with the ban that several people have already suggested to me.

You are not, it seems, able to perceive that obdurate insistence on your preferred wording is not "compromise", because you don't understand that your POV is not a compromise or neutral POV. This is normal for new editors whose single focus is one contentious article, but long experience indicates that it rarely ends well.

So, this should help you to avoid revert warring with the world and his dog, as has been going on thus far. Propose specific changes on the talk page and wait for road agreement (i.e. not just the two people whose views you like) or leave it to someone else. Guy (Help!) 20:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Unbalance

You've talked about a BLP where 20% of the copy is about the person and 80% is about their critics, including quotes, citations, name calling, etc. It is puzzling, but not surprising, to me that this is allowed to continue. I've seen it before in other articles about controversial people. I used to work on Ann Coulter, a lightning-rod U.S. political commentator. She's like Sheldrake, in that she's a sharp and thoughtful person who inspires controversy everywhere she goes. People would mention the smallest incident or quote from her, then spend paragraph after paragraph detailing every piece of criticism that anybody ever wrote about it.

My theory (or hypothesis, or notion, or crazy lunatic woo) about this behavior is that people with an us-vs.-them mentality will see some of this stuff coming from one of their betters, feel their own ideas threatened by it, and react by combing the literature for vituperation, also from their betters. Reason, balance, neutrality, BLP, etc. mean nothing to these righteously indignant editors. It's kind of like feeding behavior in a pack of dogs--they just can't stop piling on. Whatever causes it, it's a Wiki-phenomenon that I suspect is fairly widespread. Lou Sander (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I understand your points Lou, and sympathise. No doubt there are a hundred and one things that could be said about what is going on, but I'd rather not speculate about it, or editor's motives/MO here. No doubt there are PhDs somewhere investigating exactly that - good luck to them - they have their work cut out.Barleybannocks (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

74something is adamant about being nice. I've taken his advice to heart, and am a lot nicer than I was a few days ago (which was pretty nice already). As for me, I'm trying mightily to stay on the sidelines. As for you, keep up the good work. Lou Sander (talk) 02:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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A Beremeal Bannock Star for you

For persistence, clear thinking, and clear exposition in the land of discombobulated ergot eaters. Lou Sander (talk) 21:45, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Barleybannocks

Your refusal to edit within the parameters that Sheldrake's works are generally considered pseudoscience being WP:TE that is not acceptable under the Arbitration Committee's decision is now under discussion at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Barleybannocks. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:57, 16 December 2013 (UTC)