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Kukini 22:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Zos vs SynergeticMaggot

Hi... your signature is a bit confusing. Is there any way I could persuade you to change it to something similar to your username? ---J.S (t|c) 19:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Not really. Sorry, but the signature does link to my user page. I prefer to use it as a knickname. May I ask why you feel I need to change it? Zos 20:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Because when I look in the history I see "SynergeticMaggot" and when I see comments on the talk page I see "Zos". Connecting those two currently requires a investigation and isn't immediately obvious. But, then again, there is no rule that sais you can have your signature as "Zos." If you really like Zos more then SynMag then there is a way to change your login name. It preserves your edit history, talk page, etc.

Well, I'm sorry your not willing to discuss this. ---J.S (t|c) 20:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. When I created my account, I was unaware that by putting in a knickname (I figured it was for anyone wishing to call me by that knickname), it was used for signing comments. I can change it if its needed. Although I'm unaware of any rule that says I'm not allowed to use a different name for signatures. I think if someone is that interested in me, they can see my user info page where I specify that Zos is a knickname for SynergeticMaggot. I just feel that Zos is much shorter for signing and will change it if its a conflict of a policy or guidelines of Misplaced Pages. Zos 21:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

No policy that I'm aware of. However, I've seen people be "voted" against when doing a Request for Adminship because of this very thing. There is kinda a general dislike of it... but no policy. ---J.S (t|c) 21:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Well once I decide I'm ready for such a task as adminship or mediation cabal or anything of the like, I'll change it. Zos 23:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I vote for Zos -999 (Talk) 02:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thelema

We can talk over on my page. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 06:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Citation requests

Your use of cite request tags on Aleister Crowley has been abusive and disruptive. Please don't do that anymore. Tom Harrison 13:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't see it has abusive and disruptive. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the tags were POV statements that were just added, or their sources failed. I've tried to correct the matter, discuss it, and ask for help. None of this works with Catherine. Zos 17:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Tom Harrision that you have been abusive and disruptive. Correct conduct on WP is a matter of community concensus and your personal assertions that you are correct are immaterial if the community judgment is that you are abusive and disruptive. Please tone it down. -999 18:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It wasnt a personal assertion. The section was removed, and you had previously agreed with it, so I'm not sure where you stand in this discussion now...And my tone is not laud, so how can I "tone it down"? Zos 18:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Catherine

Thanks. Doesn't worry me; my words and actions speak for themselves. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I'd like to point you Here. The majority of the conversation was about me, but it involves you. Just letting you know in case you want to respond for the record (it helps to show evidence also, like I did), since I dont recall you harassing her as she says. 93 Zos 17:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not too worried either, but I left a short response. Some people simply don't have the temperment to be a WP editor, and I think she's one such, unfortunately. She does not know how to compromise and interperets corrections and legit edits as "attacks". Kinda sad, actually, because I think she could have been a good editor. –Frater5 (talk/con) 18:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Pennsylvania

Glad to see you made it to Pennsylvania safely, or at least you will have by the time you read this message!

KV 18:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

English Qabalah

Please see New Aeon English Qabala. -999 21:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Did you see this? -999 (Talk) 02:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn

Please help watch! User:Frater FiatLux is at is again! -999 19:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If you have the bandwidth, you might want to add all the subarticles to your watchlist as well. It's where the action is going to be... -999 (Talk) 16:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Inc.®
• Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (Rosicrucian Order of A+O)®
• The Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn
• The Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
• Sodalitas Rosae Crucis et Solis Alati
• Ordo Stella Matutina

For the love of LVX! Zos 17:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:-) -999 (Talk) 17:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yhea you better had, It just means I'll have to correct all your misrepresentations and prooves that your all working in cahoots. Frater FiatLux 03:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Actaully, we were hoping to fix "your" mistakes. Deleting cited material is not in keeping with policies and guidlines. Zos 03:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

That's utter rubbish, your the ones edit warring articles and reverting pages back to non-verifiable sources, and biased inaccurate P.O.V. articles. I provided sourced information for all of my changes, you guys on the other hand, did not. And furthermore, none of you discussed your changes in the talk page like I DID before you perform your egregious editing

Frater FiatLux 04:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Frater FiatLux. You seem to have a misapprehension.The talk page is not for providing source - footnotes are for providing sources. The talk page is for discussing - you know, a back and forth conversation (not a lecture). You have yet to use a talk page properly and have a conversation with the other editors. Try it sometime! -999 (Talk) 14:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Reverting

Just a note, I think it looks a lot better to admins if each of us do only two reverts. I'd have got that next one but you beat me to it. -999 (Talk) 14:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Just as well to use my three, so if Fiat went for four, I would have reported him directly (instead of him reporting me...). Zos 19:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Please note that 3 reverts is not an entitlement. People can and have been blocked for multiple cases of 3 reverts. Safer to stick with two and have patience. (Though I must admit that I don't always myself :-) -999 (Talk) 16:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion + survey

Please respond to the survey at the bottom of Talk:The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Inc. -999 (Talk) 16:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia sources

Zos, if they are online GFDL sources like 💕 of Thelema and Thelemapedia, then they have to be listed if even a sentence was taken from those sources. The whole article may have originated from the GFDL source. It's part of the GFDL license that you must provide a link to a GFDL source. Frequently, if the source itself has references, they will be indented another level under the GFDL reference... -999 (Talk) 14:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It was my understanding that wiki's (even wikipedia) were not aloud as a source, furthermore they are just sitting there in the references sections, and arent even cited. But eh. Zos 14:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

You have to understand that WP policy on citations has changed. Many old articles will have only references, not citations, because they were not so stringently required in the past. And no GFDL reference can be taken out, without deleting the article and starting over. I know some of the Thelema articles were taken whole from FET or Thelemapedia. That is, as far as I know, not disallowed. In fact, it is the whole point of the GFDL that this can be done. -999 (Talk) 17:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

User conduct RfC on Zanoni666

I think if Z666 keeps pushing his changes in H.O.G.D., Inc., that we should open a user conduct RfC. In order to do that, I need a second person to try to resolve the issue with him, preferably on his talk page, like I am doing... -999 (Talk) 15:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright. Seeing as how I was apart of the reverting I'd have no problem. But I know nothing of the RfC process. Zos 16:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can get the RfC started. That's the hard part b/c I have to document all his reverts and our attempts to engage him in discussion without any reasonable response. Then you simply have to sign on to it and add links to where you tried to resolve the issues on his talk page with him. Anyone else who has failed to resolve the issue can sign on as well.

Let's give it a little time, it's a lot of work. But let's lay the groundwork to show multiple attempts to engage him in fruitful discussion. -999 (Talk) 16:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I can fill in a few blank spots if you want. It wont take that much time, I was actually working on it now. heh. Zos 17:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Revert

We need a revert on H.O.G.D., Inc.. Looks like Zanoni didn't see you'd removed the link... and he's on his last revert. -999 (Talk) 17:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Imacomp

He's already gone over, and I'm already on it. -999 (Talk) 18:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Aleister Crowley

Give 'em the third degree! No, seriously leave him alone but discuss on the talk page the terr'ble G.D. edit wars (you must overact the terr'ble part, like Jim Carey as the one-legged sailor in Unfortunate Events ;-) -999 (Talk) 02:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Somebody else'll chime up over at Crowley I'm sure...

At this point its very difficult to keep up with these edit wars. And I'm surprised that the A+O page isnt a part of this anymore. Zos 02:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It got locked a while back. I made a clueful suggestion but no one has responded. I think an admin got annoyed by a flakey request on an admin page, that's how it got locked. -999 (Talk) 02:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

reverts

Go to WP:DR. I think the Mediation Cabal would be the best first step. Also, if you put some effort into trying to resolve things on FFL's talk page, that can be used as evidence in a user conduct RfC... -999 (Talk) 19:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

FFL just got blocked for 48h with a next time you'll be blocked for a week warning. Ehheh reported him. -999 (Talk) 20:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Even better news, Opuaut got an indefinite ban for being a sockpuppet and FFL's block was extended to 72h. The admin who did it recommends we ask for a community ban of FFL on ANI -999 (Talk) 21:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

All claims of sock puppets were proved to be false. Frater FiatLux 17:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

But claims of meatpuppets was proved to be true, and per WP:SOCK, meatpuppets are to be treated the same as sockpuppets. -999 (Talk) 17:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:BIO

Hm. The 5000 limit seems to have been removed. It used to be there. But it does still say Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work . User:Zoe| 02:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes and its also a guideline, and I do not have to submit to it. So thanks for commenting, but the page will in fact be reinstated unless an actual policy is stated to me. I've already requested that the admin who deleted it comment on the wp:ani page, but alas, he is on wiki-break. I'll continue to add to it in the sandbox until I feel it has enough context. Zos 02:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)