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Edit request

The sources Nos 4 and 5 (as of this moment), at the first paragraph of the article, and which are primary sources, do not say at all, against what our text claims, that "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus". I prefer another user to edit this and also remove those sources. I will do that myself if neither my request is done nor I am convinced by a possible discussion here. --E4024 (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Even if the sources don't use those explicit words, it is quite clear form reading the sources that the UN (and thus the international community) considers the "TRNC" to be territory of the Republic of Cyprus under occupation. Athenean (talk) 23:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Instead of
"Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus", I propose that
"Though recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception.". Reason: There are hundreds of International organizations in which Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are members as two completely different countries. Alexyflemming (talk) 07:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Those organizations do not operate at a political level and as such it is inaccurate to say that. Additionally, I've noticed that you have been adding details on various articles about the TRNC declaring an EEZ. This is also inaccurate since EEZ is declared according to UN laws. Please change the edits you have made adding a 'de facto' border.KalJohnson (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

As you clearly state, there are thousands of international organizations that do not operate "at a political level". Hence, these thosands of international organizations forming a very major bulk of "International Community" clearly nullifies the writing: "Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus".
Even, from political context, international community is not restricted to UN. There are OIC with 57 member countries. OIC recognize "Northern Cyprus" as "Turkish Cypriot State". NC hosted many OIC meetings. Also, President, foreign minister and other ministers of NC participated to many OIC meetings. Even the UN itself cannot qualify the "president" of Cyprus as president. Whenever a Northern Cypriot president/minister/official is present in a UN meeting, UN qualifies differently. For example, UN qualifies "presidents" of C and NC as "community leaders". You also say, "EEZ is declared according to UN laws". UN laws are not crystal clear to reveal and clearly separate the EEZs of countries. For example,

Romania-Ukraine on Snake Island: UN International Court of Justice decided in 2009 that Snake island has no EEZ other than its 12-nautical mile.
(Both Romania and Ukraine declared their EEZs according to UN laws, each differently interpreting the laws.) Eritre-Yemen on Hanish Islands: UN International Court of Justice decided in 1998 that Hanish islands cannot affect the determination of EEZs of Yemen and Eritre.
(Both Eritre and Yemen declared their EEZs according to UN laws, each differently interpreting the laws.)
Whenever there is a dispute on EEZ and the countries in trouble choose to go the UN's ICJ then only that time UN actively participate to the procedure. Other than that, UN cannot specify the EEZs of each country in the world. Also, Turkey declared its EEZ with Northern Cyprus taking into account the UN laws. Could you specify clearly which changes you refer, I did not understansd?Alexyflemming (talk) 13:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

NOW: Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus
PROPOSED: Though recognised only by Turkey and considered by the United Nations to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception.
Supporters of the proposal:
Alexyflemming
E4024: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=533907664&oldid=533224398
KalJohnson: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592158491&oldid=592157321

This is pure synthesis. There are no reliable sources which support this statement. Please consult WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:SYNTHESIS. Δρ.Κ.  23:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus. After saying this, a positive thing about the country must also exist in the ENTRANCE paragraph. Its successes, etc.Alexyflemming (talk) 09:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

De facto or self declared

I replaced de- facto with self declared because as I wrote in the edit summary it proclaimed itself a state and was rejected by the UN. This makes it a self-declared state by definition. (Turkey which does recognize it is the invading force and not a 3rd party country) 95.141.20.196 (talk) 10:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Formal name change

Al-monitor says the name change we've supposedly missed for months was to “Cyprus Turkish Republic". Meanwhile, the Presidency website still uses Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. I suggest we keep TRNC unless substantial change is shown. CMD (talk) 10:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The source did not state anything of a kind relating to a formal name change for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. It claimed that its passports would be labeled as the Cyprus Turkish Republic, not the state itself. A name change is not required. TBrandley (T • C • B) 16:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Lead 4th paragraph

The current lead has a bit of duplication, which could be worked out in order to provide space for some other information, perhaps about demographics or culture. In particular, the fourth paragraph doesn't say much new. That the attempts to solve the Cyprus dispute have failed seems obvious due to the fact that Northern Cyprus remains a self-declared state. This sentence could be merged with the preceding paragraph on the history if it is needed. The next sentence, on one particular round of peace talks, doesn't seem that important, as there's no real reason why one particular round of talks deserves mention above any of the others (except perhaps the annan plan, but even that I would leave to the main text). The last bit on the military seems a bit too detailed, especially as we already mention the area is considered occupied territory in the first paragraph, and that Northern Cyprus receives military support in the third paragraph. Is there any objection to moving this detail out of the lead and into the main body of the article? (Where it should be anyway, irrespective of whether or not it's in the lead.) CMD (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Defacto selfdeclared 2

I agree with E4024. "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is definitely wrong. Here are the reasons.

1. Northern Cyprus and Cyprus are TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS of "European Billiard Federation" and "World Billiard Championship":
http://www.billiardapps.com/members.asp?db=epc&client=&header=yes&filter=yes&footer=yes&showtabs=yes&tab=people
http://epbf.com/about-epbf/members/
Northern Cyprus and Cyprus was matched in 2010 European Billiard Championship as two different countries and under different flags: http://www.kibrispostasi.com/print.php?news=36706
Are "European Billiard Federation" and "World Billiard Championship" not part of International Community?
2. Northern Cyprus' passport is recognized by many countries (Australia, United States of America (USA), United Kingdom (UK), France, Pakistan, Turkey, Germany, Azerbaijan, Syria, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzistan, etc.). NC passport is a valid legal entrance document.
3. Yeni Bogazici municipality of Northern Cyprus became a member of International Cittaslow organization in 2013. See the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" name and flag in official Cittaslow page (There is no member of Republic of Cyprus and hence "Rep. of Cyprus" flag is not waved in official Cittaslow page!):
http://www.cittaslow.org/network/country/58
4. Northern Cyprus and Rep. of Cyprus' are represented as TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES in "European Biologist Union": http://www.europeanbiologists.eu/index.php/members/full
http://www.europeanbiologists.eu/index.php/members/full/73-full-members/13-north-cyprus
5. Organization of Islamic Cooperation (with 57 member countries) considers the Northern Cyprus as "Turkish Cypriot State" and LEGAL "CONSTITUENT" State in its resolutions. Hence the word "OCCUPIED territory" is definitely wrong.
Is a world-wide organization with 57 countries as member not a part of International Community?
Twelfth Summit of the OIC (7 February 2013, Cairo, Egypt): "A solution to the Cyprus Problem would be based on the inherent constitutive power of the two peoples, their political equality and co-ownership of the island, OIC express its solidarity with the Turkish Cypriots and its appreciation for their constructive efforts to attain a mutually acceptable settlement and call on member states to strengthen effective solidarity with the Turkish Cypriot State."
In June 2004, Northern Cyprus became an observer member of Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) under the name "Turkish Cypriot State". According to OIC, the settlement to the Cyprus Dispute is based on the INHERENT CONSTITUTIVE POWER of the Greek Cypriot and TURKISH CYPRIOT peoples, their POLITICAL EQUALITY and CO-OWNERSHIP OF THE CYPRUS ISLAND.
6. United Nations negotiations are to bring the entities of Turkish Cypriots (Northern Cyprus) and Greek Cypriots (Rep. of Cyprus) under "UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC". Even in 2004, UN Referendum Plan named it as "UNITED Cyprus Republic". That is to say, Northern Cyprus was considered to be LEGAL part of "FUTURE" UNITED Cyprus Republic, not part of "PRESENT" "Rep. of CYPRUS". Can one thing COMPLETELY LEGAL in future be completely ILLEGAL at present!
7. Northern Cyprus became a member of Economic Cooperation Organization in 2012. Can an entity became a member of a serious international organizations if illegal! Is Economic Cooperation Organization not a part of International Community?
8. TRNC (Turkish Rep. of Northern Cyprus) Bike Lovers Association became a member of "European Cylist Federation" in 2013:
http://www.ecf.com/member-organisation/kktc-bisiklet-seveler-dernegi-bike-lovers-association/
Does "European Cylist Federation (ECF)" not a part of International Community?
9. TRNC Education Sciences Organization (KEB-DER) is a member of "European Education Research Union". Is "European Education Research Union" not a part of International Community?
10. Northern Cyprus Higher Education Evalution Accreditation Organization (YÖDAK) became a member of "European Higher Education Quality Evaluation Union (ENQA)" in 2007.
http://www.enqa.eu/index.php/members-area/enqa-affiliates/
Is "European Higher Education Quality Evaluation Union (ENQA)" not a member of International Community?
11. "FootballTennis Association of North Cyprus" is a member of the "Federation International FootballTennis Association (FIFTA)":
http://www.fifta.org/portal/tema.asp?subkatID=85
The 2011 European FootballTennis Championship was hosted by North Cyprus. Can an "ILLEGAL" and "OCCUPIED" country host one of European Championships in its country?
12. Northern Cyprus is a member of International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA):
http://www.fila-official.com/index.php?option=com_annuaire_fila&act=fiche&fed=642&filtre_continent=2&filtre_pays=&Itemid=105&limit=0&limitstart=0&lang=en
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haberYazdir&ArticleID=75343&tip (Wrestling Federation accepts Turkish Cyprus as member)
Is FILA not a member of International Community?
13. Northern Cyprus became a member of the Islamic Solidarity Sports Federation (ISSF).
http://www.oic-oci.org/37cfm/en/documents/res/37-CFM-POL-RES-ENGLISH-FINAL.pdf
14. North Cyprus National Red Crescent became a member of nternational Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) in 2013
http://todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=74D3DCDA53663022F0F176CDDD20F606?newsId=333125
15. Northern Cyprus and Cyprus are separately represented as two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)
http://ih-ra.com/?s=&post_type=listing&et-listing-type=9&et-listing-location=10
16. Northern Cyprus is a member of Global Taekwondo Federation (GTF): http://www.gtftaekwondo.com/GTF/Country_Members.html and
GTF 9th World Championship was held in Northern Cyprus: http://kktctaekwondo.org.tr/gtf-9th-world-championships-2013
The headquarter of "Eurasia Taekwondo Federations Union" is in Kyrenia of Northern Cyprus: http://kktctaekwondo.org.tr/avrasya-taekwondo-federasyonlar-birligi/ and http://kktctaekwondo.org.tr/federasyonumuz/federasyonun-tarihcesi/
17. EasyKart Federation of North Cyprus is a member of the International EasyKart Federation. In 2008, Zeka Ozteknik of Northern Cyprus became International Easykart champion in 125cc.
http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31459:zeka-oezteknk-died-in-a-motorcycle-accident&catid=5:kktc&Itemid=28
http://www.easykart.co.uk/2011/10/19/results-for-2012-here-2/]
18. Northern Cyprus is a member country of International TURKSOY Organization: http://www.turksoy.org.tr/en/members/trnc.html
19. There are 63,000 univ. studs from 108 countries in nine universities in Northern Cyprus: Near East University, Girne American University, Middle East Technical University-TRNC, European University of Lefke, Cyprus International University, Eastern Mediterranean University (EMU), Istanbul Technical University-TRNC, University of Mediterranean Karpasia, University of Kyrenia. Northern Cyprus far supersides Cyprus in education. I am writing this as an extra proof to "NC has an increasing international acception".
20. There are many international organizations (Freedom House etc.) that classify the situation in Cyprus island as "disputed" and treat the statistics and data of the country of Northern Cyprus' completely different from Cyprus.
21. Though on the charter basis currently, the direct flights to Northern Cyprus increased. Stefan Talmon: "Air Traffic with Non-Recognised States: the Case of Northern Cyprus" - Page 30: "Some of the states flies directly to Northern Cyprus and thereby indirectly recognise TRNC as an independent state: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~sann2029/FCO_Paper%20by%20Dr%20Stefan%20Talmon.pdf

NOT true. The Freedom House does not regard North Cyprus as a separate country. The document you have provided only says about the TRNC being disputed, not the whole island. In contrast to what you are trying to say, the page for North Cyprus in the Freedom house says:

" Since then, a buffer zone called the Green Line has divided Cyprus, including the capital city of Nicosia. UN resolutions stipulate that Cyprus is a single country of which the northern third is illegally occupied." Source: http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2012/northern-cyprus KalJohnson (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I gave the Freedom House example for the "disputed" phrase as is referred in FH Report. For the "regarding as separate country", see the above examples. Alexyflemming (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

To clarify the above post, I do not mean that the 'international community' part is correct, rather than point out that the Freedom House example is not. I believe that 'international community' should be changed to 'by the United Nations'. I also think it is time to stop giving examples as it serves no purpose. The point has been already made KalJohnson (talk) 11:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree with you: "by international community" should be changed to "by the United Nations". Somebody gave an article referring the situation as "international community". But, this phrase far exceeds the reality. I can give articles and many official pages as well, emphasizing the increasing acception of Northern Cyprus. Aside from that International Community is not a single personality acting all together as a block, and that the behaviour and attitudes of International Community are non-changeable over time, once more I wanna emphasize that "International Community does not act mutatis mutandis same with the politics". There are many international organizations intentionally separating themselves from politics, especially in sports and education.Alexyflemming (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

So, THERE ARE NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS IN WHICH NORTHERN CYPRUS AND REP. of CYPRUS ARE BEING REPRESENTED AS TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES UNDER DIFFERENT FLAGS. Hence the writing "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is definitely wrong.

NOW: Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus
PROPOSED: Though recognised only by Turkey and considered by the United Nations to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception.
(See above)Alexyflemming (talk) 09:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I would recommend reading the terms of agreement for all these organisations. They may contain a disclaimer stating that nothing is warranted with regard to the political position of the state involved. Sporting quangos and voluntary organisations can take a pragmatic approach without it necessarily affecting the political status quo. Britmax (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

First, International Community does not act mutatis mutandis with "Resolutions of UN" and "Membership to UN". The word "Country" is not restricted to the scope of UN! There are thousands of international organizations that do not care about what the "political position of the state involved" is. I can give hundreds of international organizations that take Cyprus and Northern Cyprus as two completely different countries in all of its operations and regulations. As a conclusion, "International Community" is not restricted to the POLITICS, and in specific, the UN-basis.
Second, even from political context, the sentence "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is completely wrong. OIC (with 57 member countries) states that the settlement to the Cyprus Dispute is based on the INHERENT CONSTITUTIVE POWER of the Greek Cypriot and TURKISH CYPRIOT peoples, their POLITICAL EQUALITY and CO-OWNERSHIP OF THE CYPRUS ISLAND. I linked above this decision. Northern Cyprus is a member of OIC. Northern Cyprus hosted many meetings of OIC till now. UN cannot qualify the president of Cyprus as the "president" whenever there is president of Northern Cyprus in a meeting of UN. UN qualifies both the "presidents" as "community leaders".Alexyflemming (talk) 12:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Self-declared (self-proclaimed) means

"given a name or title by yourself without any official reason for it",
"according to your own testimony or admission"
"based on one's own assertion".

1. Look at the above "Edit Request". There are NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND INSTITUTIONS that accept "Northern Cyprus" and "Cyprus" as TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES under TWO DIFFERENT FLAGS". Hence, SELF-declared and SELF-proclaimed claim is wrong. There are other "SELVES" other than NC that care and regard Northern Cyprus different from Cyprus.
2. Also, the words "SELF-proclaimed" and "SELF-declared" became obsolete and invalid by the United Nations' International Court of Justice (In 22 July 2010): International law contains no prohibition on DECLARAtions of independence. See Political status of Kosovo, for example. That is to say, "A DECLARATION" cannot be viewed and declared ILLEGAL! Whether a country qualifies "illegal" the "declaration of independence" of other country has no legal binding in international law. Meaning that a country does not have a say on the "legality/illegality of declaration" of the other country. See Kosovo. Now, Kosovo is recognized by 106/193 countries and ALL of the countries (193/193) MUST ACT accordingly with the international law that "Decl. of Ind. of Kosovo is LEGAL" whether recognize the country Kosovo or not! Hence, changing "de-facto" to "self-declared" was definitely wrong. Hence, the original "de-facto must be re-put" whereas self-declared and/or self-proclaimed must be removed. Alexyflemming (talk) 13:41, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

The UN clearly declared TRNC's independence as legally invalid. That is how legality is established. No single country other than Turkey maintains an embassy and formally recognizes the TRNC. That is why it has no calling code and is not member of global post. What you have mentioned above is true yes. TRNC is a member of some European organizations but no country recognizes it although it accepts its passports. Turkey does not recognize the Greek Cypriot side as a country but also accepts their passports if they get a visa. As long as the UN resolution which declares it legally invalid exists then it it.In any case what needs to be done I believe is wait for more people's opinions before any further changes.KalJohnson (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

UN Security Council (1983): "The Declaration of Independence of TRNC is illegal".
UN International Court of Justice (2010): International law contains no prohibition on declarationS of independence.
Now, the question: Which one of the organs are higher LEGAL AUTHORITY in UN in terms of law, judicial matters etc.. SC or ICJ?
Answer: UN ICJ. Reasons:
1. UN ICJ is an organizations established for judicial matters, state of legal affairs, law, etc. TO SAY THE LAST WORD. On the other hand, UN SC is not.
2. In 2010, UN SC sent the situation of LEGALITY of Declaration of Independence of Kosovo to the UN ICJ. That is to say, UN ICJ is hierarchically superior to UN SC in law, judicial matters etc. After UN ICJ decided a matter, UN SC and all other judicial organs in the world must act accordingly. UN ICJ supersides UN SC in international law.
3. In 2010, UN ICJ decided not "INTERNATIONAL LAW contains no prohibition on Declaration of independence of Kosovo", but decided
"International law contains no prohibition on DeclarationS of independence".
That is to say, UN SC cannot determine what is legal or illegal in international law. UN ICJ does.
4. UN SC's 1983 decision was clearly overridden by UN ICJ's 2010 decision.
5. Whether a country recognizes the other country or not does not determine the LEGALITY of other country in UN basis.
Recognition and legality are totally different. UK, USA do not recognize Northern Cyprus, but does accept the passports of Northern Cyprus. UK and USA do not recognize Abhasia and Ossetia and also do not accept the passports of Abhasia and Ossetia. See the difference.

In the article, it was already written as "de-facto". The anonymous IP (95.141.20.196) made the change (de-facto->self-declared) without waiting for anyone's opinion. Alexyflemming (talk) 10:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The United Nations International Court of Justice also considers North Cyprus as legally invalid because it was declared via an outside force. According to it, it is a prolonged military occupation: "The law of military occupation is set out in the 1907 Hague Regulations (Articles 42-56) the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, 1977 Additional Protocol I, and customary international law. As only Cyprus has adhered to the 1977 Additional Protocol I, the Protocol is not itself applicable directly, although those provisions that reflect customary international law in an international armed conflict apply. In addition, international human rights law is binding on Turkey in the territories it occupies (4). The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a number of cases that Turkey exercises effective control over the north of the island, which engages its legal responsibility under the European Convention on Human Rights. (5)

The underpinning of the law of military occupation is that it is a temporary situation, which lasts until a political agreement is reached. During this period, the occupant does not enjoy sovereign rights over the territories it occupies and local law that was applicable prior to the occupation remains in force. At the same time, the Occupying Power is responsible for administering the local life of the population under its control, maintaining it as it was prior the occupation as closely as possible, and for providing security (Art. 43 of the Hague regulations)." As for the British Government, they DO consider it invalid.

Accoring to ], "The UK does not recognise the self-declared 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' ('TRNC' in the northern part of the island. The 'TRNC' is not internationally recognised, except by Turkey. Throughout this document, the 'TRNC' is either referred to as such, or simply as the northern part of Cyprus." KalJohnson (talk) 16:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

According to United Kingdom Border Agency, The PASSPORT of Northern Cyprus is COMPLETELY LEGAL. You can enter UK with a Northern Cyprus passport. The Official page of UK: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/do-you-need-a-visa/

Once more I repeat, "Recognition" and "Legality" is two completely different things. UK does not recognize Northern Cyprus, but UK recognizes the passport of Northern Cyprus; Hence, The passport of NC is completely LEGAL.
Also, International Community does not act mutatis mutandis with "resolutions of UN and membership to UN". Many international organizations do not care whether a country is a member to UN or not. For example, the biggest sports organization, FIFA of football, accepts non-UN countries as well. In 2011, Gibraltar (a country that even does not claim any sovereignity) became a member of FIFA. Hence, the sentence "Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is completely wrong.
Also, according to UN, there is an ongoing dispute in Cyprus issue. UN cannot qualify the president of Cyprus as "president". Whenever there is president of Northern Cyprus in a meeting in UN, UN qualifies both presidents as "community leaders"!

Cyprus matched and played with Northern Cyprus in 2010 European Billiard Championship.
Also, Cyprus itself declared its EEZ that does not even cover the EEZ of Northern Cyprus. Here is the EEZ of Cyprus:

Alexyflemming (talk) 12:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

What FIFA or the European Tennis association believe is rather irrelevant; while it might be true that recognition and legality are separate concepts, the very reason it is not recognized is because it is considered 'Illegal'. The UN resolution came up from the international community, not from some random people. The term occupied is true since it is considered by the UN as well as the International Court of Justice a prolonged military occupation. Furthermore, Cyprus does claim the north seas as it's own EEZ. Because according to the international community Cyprus is the de jure government, of the island, its EEZ covers the north as well. De facto though, it has no control over it. What needs to be done, is to wait and obtain consensus.KalJohnson (talk) 13:32, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

In the sentence "Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus", especially the "International Community" part is over and over biased. One may establish a sentence to reflect the situation in UN. The EEZ that I put in this page declared by the Rep. of Cyprus itself! Also, as you specify, "The UN resolution came up from the international community, not from some random people.". That international community does not hold their situation as a constant and non-changable fact. As I say before, I can list hundreds of international organizations in which Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are regarded as two completely different countries. In some of these organizations, even Cyprus and Northern Cyprus matched and played as completely two different countries. I will expand the above list to make you sure that there are indeed that much organizations. The phrase "International Community" in the above context is definitely wrong. I gave not only international sports organizations, but also international education, international tourism, etc. organizations that regarded Cyprus and Northern Cyprus as completely different countries. Also, aside from the blurring picture in UN, OIC and other political context, International community does not act mutatis mutandis same with the UN and its politics. Many international organizations completely separate their view and attitude from politics. The thousands of these international organizations do clearly form part of "international community"Alexyflemming (talk) 13:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Assuming international community in that context, it perhaps makes sense to change it to 'considered by the United Nations'. But it is still considered by the UN as occupied territory as well as a self declared state and it should remain as such in the article. So what I propose is replace international community with 'by the United Nations' It is not up to me to decide though. More people need to express opinion KalJohnson (talk) 14:05, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks; though still incorporates some degree of bias, your offer is clearly less biased if compared with "international community". In UN, it is strictly prohibited that any UN official cannot use the word "president" for the president of Cyprus whenever a Northern Cypriot president is also present there. That is to say, acc. to UN, there is an ongoing dispute over Cyprus island, and UN is in position of neutral mediator.Alexyflemming (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes that's why it's called "de Facto" and not "de Jure". We've been through all this, do we have to do it every year or so? Britmax (talk) 16:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Then apart from De Facto it is also legally invalid and hence self declared KalJohnson (talk) 17:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Just do a Google Books search on self-declared and then another on self-proclaimed. Δρ.Κ.  00:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I've moved your posts to a new section. Please don't post in conversations half a year to a year old, this doesn't stimulate conversation. CMD (talk) 11:21, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

"International Council of Arbitration for Sport" (ICAS) is an organization not subordinate to UN. Once again, international community does not act mutatis mutandis same with the UN and its politics. There are many international organizations that completely separate their view and attitude from politics on purpose. Recognition is a political act as stated by UN ICJ.Alexyflemming (talk) 09:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

1. http://www.mfa.gov.tr/data/DISPOLITIKA/KIBRIS/234.pdf
2. The Annual Coordination Meeting of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the OIC Member States UN Headquarters, New York, 28 September 2012 Final Communique

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