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::Basically, my point is I found a source that shows what's the situation. It pretty much is against my arguments. But I thought I shouldn't just keep it hidden and keep arguing over the whole thing theoretically. ] (]) 22:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC) | ::Basically, my point is I found a source that shows what's the situation. It pretty much is against my arguments. But I thought I shouldn't just keep it hidden and keep arguing over the whole thing theoretically. ] (]) 22:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC) | ||
::However, , probably because an employee picked the wrong month... which pretty much discredits them completely, but, ok... I really wonder some times if people are getting paid for doing this stuff... ] (]) 23:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC) | ::However, , probably because an employee picked the wrong month... which pretty much discredits them completely, but, ok... I really wonder some times if people are getting paid for doing this stuff... ] (]) 23:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC) | ||
{{od}} Sorry that you've been dragged into this, but I've started a discussion on ] to try and get Heracletus to calm down in which I mentioned you. ] (]) 03:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Accession of Croatia to the European Union
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Shokatz (talk) 14:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
IIMSAM
Dear LTak. Please refer to the recent news report about IIMSAM- http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/19/mystery-organization-with-un-ties-issues-diplomatic-ids-except-arent/ IIMSAM should not have a raison d'etre as the countries signed to form a body called CISRI. More so the IP addreess 216.213.210.14 and 91.73.183.233 are making unsubstantiated changes on the page. I tried to correct them but to no avail as my knowledge to edit wikipedia is extremely limited. While the first one is in Texas, US, the other one is in Dubai, UAE. One can only speculate on their motive which most certainly does not look sanguine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackflash2013 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- I am following up and sincerely trying to get facts there. Hopefully some reliable sources are presented. For me, there could be 2 reasons for IIMSAM to have enough notability to have a page on its own:
- If they are currently performing at the UN-ECOSOC as NGO (and this is not done by CISRI)
- If they are established by treaty (as their website claims) and if that treaty is in force...
- If there are notable sources describing their activities
If I don't get that (1 of those 3) in the next week or so, I might consider proposing the page for deletion. But in the eyes of of "due process" I am inviting anyone involved to see if we can get the sources and see if the org is notable. Thanks for the info! L.tak (talk) 11:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
IIMSAM and CISRI
The claim that IIMSAM is governed by its 2008 Charter-Treaty is wrong. According to the Charter 102 of the United Nations- Every treaty and every international agreement entered into by any Member of the United Nations after the present Charter comes into force shall as soon as possible be registered with the Secretariat and published by it. Why is the claimed 2008 Charter-Treaty of IIMSAM not in the United Nations Treaty base ? (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/13/protecting-phony-treaties/)Similar article was written by the same fox journalist in 2010 this is the same type of yellow journalism that has stated that president Obama is muslim and not born in U.S. So anything written by this journalist must be taking with a grain of salt, same journalist has history of attacking UN and other organization that do not fit the political environment of fox news.
Also the Constituting Treaty of CISRI i.e. Registration Number I-37542, dated-07/06/2001 submitted by Collaborative Intergovernmental Scientific Research Institute (CISRI) with the Treaty Section of the United Nations is the very foundation of the organization. The very fact has been invkoed time and again in Diplomatic LPs issued by IIMSAM ( http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/19/mystery-organization-with-un-ties-issues-diplomatic-ids-except-arent/ ) Similar article was written by the same fox journalist in 2010 this is the same type of yellow journalism that has stated that president Obama is muslim and not born in U.S. So anything written by this journalist must be taking with a grain of salt, same journalist has history of attacking UN and other organization that do not fit the political environment of fox news.
Please access- http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/dsd/dsd_pdfs/ECOSOC_IGOs.pdf ,Page 21
The IIMSAM website which is owned and managed by Mr. Remigio Martin Maradona himself refers to him till 2nd August 2010 as Director General; and on 16th October 2010, he is referred to as the Secretary General. Please access- http://iimsam.org/director2.php
the iimsam website is registered in accordance with the procedures of the web.host accordingly.
the iimsam organisation although part of the cisri-isp treaty became an autonomous diplomatic entity of its own in 2009 the republic of kenya became its first member state to sign the iimsam autonomous treaty recognising iimsam which led to the establishment of the iimsam spirulina distribution centre in kisumu, kenya which has saved thousands of lives from the scourges of malnutrition since 2009. with its own tready-charter- identity-secretariat and its own member states that have recognised iimsam through signing the iimsam treaty or providing the secretary general of iimsam ambassador remigio maradona with official diplomatic adhesion letters. (We will provide these upon request along with signed treaties to wikipedia.)
On 21st December 2010, Mr. Farhan Haq the spokesperson of the United Nations Secretary General Mr. Ban ki Moon provided clarification that negate the claim of Mr. Remigio Martin Maradona to represent IIMSAM as its Secretary General. Please access- http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2010/db101221.doc.htm
A response was sent to the UN to Mr. Haq and about the above claim and was rectify to the satisfaction of IIMSAM.
How did Mr Remigio Martin Maradona suddenly become the Secretary General of IIMSAM in two months time from August-October in 2010 is anybody's guess ?
The iimsam organisation although part of the cisri-isp treaty became an autonomous diplomatic entity of its own in 2009 the republic of kenya became its first member state to sign the iimsam autonomous treaty recognising iimsam which led to the establishment of the iimsam spirulina distribution centre in kisumu, kenya which has saved thousands of lives from the scourges of malnutrition since 2009. with its own tready-charter- identity-secretariat and its own member states that have recognised iimsam through signing the iimsam treaty or providing the secretary general of iimsam ambassador remigio maradona with official diplomatic adhesion letters. (We will provide these upon request along with signed treaties to wikipedia.)
IGOs like IIMSAM, is an organization composed primarily of sovereign states (referred to as member states) and IGOs are established by Treaty that acts as a charter creating the group. Treaties are formed when lawful representatives (governments) of several states, minimum three, go through a ratification process, providing the IGO with an international legal personality of its own.
An Amicable De facto Detante has been prevailing between IIMSAM and the CISRI-ISP since 2009 there has never been any legal battles by neither side.
A state of Ipso-Facto remains for both sides. Both sides have move on with their own mandates with no conflict respecting each other turf.
The UN does not and cannot interfere in the sovereignty of an autonomous diplomatic entity in this case an igo for it is not an official organ of UN.
International law allows sovereign governments to scrap any prior treaty. The US signed an anti-ballistic missile treaty with the USSR during the Cold War. But subsequently the US scrapped the treaty, with impunity. The Maastricht Treaty, setting up the European Union, mandated a fiscal deficit ceiling of 3% of GDP for member states. But several members, including Germany and France, have been running deficits far higher than this, with impunity. When political and economic conditions change, treaties hardly matter. If one looks through history, treaties have been junked if they become politically inconvenient. Countries are free to join in or move out of a Treaty under International law. Intergovernmental Organizations (IGO) are an important aspect of Public International Law.
Treaties in general are not required to be registered by UN it is done entirely on a volunteer basis.
According the the UN archives and considering the fact that charges of larceny and fraud were alleged against Mr. Maradona in 2003 for USD 350,000.00 of a non-existent project of USD 1.4 million when he was with WAFUNIF- an NGO in New York, and that he is not a citizen of any country that is a member state of IIMSAM, and not to metion his other questionable practices; the basis on which he was annointed or claims the title of the Secretary General of IIMSAM is a matter which is not only very interesting but also worth exploring.
The so call alleged charges of larceny and fraud was nothing more that a letter that was sent to UN from a man who was trying to extort the organisation the letter by the way was address to thepresident of wafunif at the time who made all decissions bilaterally mr. maradona was not involved in decission making process i know i was there as a member of board the un never pursue any further for they new it was non sense. SG Maradona has never been brought with any charges of fraud or larceny if there was any truth to it the UN would of intervene or the WAFUNIF organizatin its self. I was there. with maradona in wafunif in 2003 i was part of its board of director and still am it is total rubbish.
Mr. Maradona has an impacable reputation among his peers for i know him more than 22 years. You may contact our WAFUNIF and speak to the present president of wafunif. you will see no one there will back up the non sense statement.
The IIMSAM page should be merged with CISRI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polio-of-upper-extremity (talk • contribs) 09:08, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Dear Polio-of-upper-extremity, please make your points on the talk page; as that is the main locus for this disucssion, and only do so when it is substantiated with sources. I advise you not to make this a personal thing against Mr Maradona, and only repeat your claims on the talk page, if backed up by proper external sources... L.tak (talk) 11:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Furthermore, it's a bit worrying to me to see you and other user names on the same subject having similar points to discuss. If you are using multiple accounts, or if you are working in coordination with other users, it's best to let that know, because it obscures the discussion and is very much frowned upon... L.tak (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
TO WHO IT MAY CONCERN: WIKIPEDIA
please be advised that former member of the iimsam organisation have been self-proclaimed vigilante cyber-stalking the organisation for months with hundreds of emails miss informing the public at large about the iimsam organisation. this individual has also written most of the non sense about iimsam in wikipedia in trying to discredit the iimsam organisation by creating stories and conflicts between cisri-isp and iimsam where none exist as well as distributing mal fide materials on wikipedia as some of the context above and attacking the secretary-general of the organization and other sr members on a personal basis. This individual goes by few aliases and proxy emails in some cases even impersonating official authorities. He was dismissed from the organization for unethical behavior unbecoming of his post. He has been declared by IIMSAM Persona non grata. some of the context above was written by this individual. Please be guided accordingly. we will be happy to provide wikipedia with this individual dismissal letter.
the iimsam organisation although part of the cisri-isp treaty became an autonomous diplomatic entity of its own in 2009 the republic of kenya became its first member state to sign the iimsam autonomous treaty recognising iimsam which led to the establishment of the iimsam spirulina distribution centre in kisumu, kenya which has saved thousands of lives from the scourges of malnutrition since 2009. with its own tready-charter- identity-secretariat and its own member states that have recognised iimsam through signing the iimsam treaty or providing the secretary general of iimsam ambassador remigio maradona with official diplomatic adhesion letters. (We will provide these upon request to wikipedia.)
International law allows sovereign governments to scrap any prior treaty. The US signed an anti-ballistic missile treaty with the USSR during the Cold War. But subsequently the US scrapped the treaty, with impunity. The Maastricht Treaty, setting up the European Union, mandated a fiscal deficit ceiling of 3% of GDP for member states. But several members, including Germany and France, have been running deficits far higher than this, with impunity. When political and economic conditions change, treaties hardly matter. If one looks through history, treaties have been junked if they become politically inconvenient. Countries are free to join in or move out of a Treaty under International law. Intergovernmental Organizations (IGO) are an important aspect of Public International Law.
Treaties in general are not required to be registered by UN it is done entirely on a volunteer basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.73.182.152 (talk) 13:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Talk:Civil union in colima State
Hi! I'm HEttore93. Read this: http://mexico.cnn.com/nacional/2013/07/04/congreso-de-colima-aprueba-uniones-civiles-entre-personas-del-mismo-sexo HEttore93 (talk) 9:45, 100 July 2013 (UTC)
Same-sex marriages in Mexico
I already brought the discussion to the template, it is in Template_talk:Same-sex_unions#Mexico. Cheers, --Xocoyotzin (talk) 23:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
not blank...
Thanks for your finagling on the Farhaidi pic. You rock. MezzoMezzo (talk) 09:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
A misplaced post
I think this may be misplaced. I'll let you handle it. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:12, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Re: ISO 3166-1 alpha-2
Seriously, check the source: "we are now using ”XK‘ as temporary country code for Kosovo", "The European Commission and many other organisations are using ‘XK‘ as a temporary country code for Kosovo", "GeoNames will switch to the official ISO code as soon as it has been released. In the meantime we will use ‘XK‘." The only original research going on is your trying to insist it's somehow not temporary. Please stop. Anomie⚔ 00:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
- I will make a proposal on the talk page regarding this… I am sure we can work out something acceptable for all of us sourced on something not-geonames…. L.tak (talk) 08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
How do you edit this?
What does your comment mean here, with respect to how to edit the map? Where do you place the geocode? Is this done on commons somewhere? (Sorry, I'm useless with files/images.) Good Ol’factory 21:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) - If you download the file from commons (commons:File:Arms_Trade_Treaty_status.svg) and open it up in any old text editor, near the top you'll see things like:
.ag, .cr, .gy, .ic, .tt, .ng
{
fill: #005500;
}
- The first line is country codes which are generally taken from ISO 3166-1. The "fill" line specifies the colour. So the example above is a list of all the states that have ratified the agreement, followed by a statement colouring them all green. There is a second set of statements for signatory states later on in the file. So, if you were to replace
.ag, .cr, .gy, .ic, .tt, .ng
with.ag, .cr, .gy, .ic, .tt, .ng, .us
, the United States would be coloured green as well. (Just make sure to delete them from the list of signatory states.) This formatting is handy because it keeps all the states in the same category the same colour, it is smart enough to automatically colour all the islands and non-contigeous parts of a country, and you don't have to mess around with paint. I've added a bit of documentation to the file so it should be clear where you need to add a state. TDL (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thanks, that's very cool. Good Ol’factory 21:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Conflict of nullity laws
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- Agreed; I support your idea (and didn't start the article). It's not the only one in this area. L.tak (talk) 23:39, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
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European Fiscal Compact
Can you explain your vandalism here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=European_Fiscal_Compact&diff=next&oldid=587411165
You removed a source leading to the law project, a commented out source which would clear out the voting and replaced them with a source leading to the pdf of the law, which states nothing about the vote, and indicated the vote was carried unanimously for the law, which was not supported by your reference to the law pdf. You commented on this edit of yours as "spec on consent". Heracletus (talk) 21:14, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
And, you used the same source both for the region and the community, whereas not only they vote separately, but they vote on two different law projects, which have the same content, but are different projects which lead up to different laws. Heracletus (talk) 21:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
- I must have used the wrong link… Will sort it out tomorrow. I am quite disappointed at calling my edit vandalism; thought you'd know better. L.tak (talk) 23:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
- At first site, your link seems right; must have mixed up some parliaments (or a commission vote…). L.tak (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
- It was indeed the commission vote that I mistook for the vote of the body, this one, where it is stated that "L'ensemble du projet de décret est adopté à l'unanimité des membres." for both law projects. L.tak (talk) 02:18, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- At first site, your link seems right; must have mixed up some parliaments (or a commission vote…). L.tak (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
- I call your edit vandalism, because you speculated on the vote. Also, the sources showing what happened with the vote were there, but, you just replaced them with one of the two laws. Anyway, not such a huge deal, as you provided the Brussels info. But, please, don't speculate on vote results; it's better to leave the cells empty until we find out what happened, rather than fill them up with speculations that may be wrong, because future editors will notice the blanks and may be able to fill them up, but no one will ever remember your edit was just a speculation. :P You almost got away with it. Heracletus (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- no, i made an honest mistake and explained thatt. i have struggled with getting the cite templates right in the same Time. I never speculated on a vote, and never will. I also thus didn't get away vwith it. It is a big deal to Be accused of vandalism, i am a long standing editor and we have worked togetger a lot. --L.tak (talk) 09:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- I just noticed your reply. Well, let's call it unintended and move on. My arguments were made in the initial post. It never was a really big deal for me. Heracletus (talk) 00:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- no, i made an honest mistake and explained thatt. i have struggled with getting the cite templates right in the same Time. I never speculated on a vote, and never will. I also thus didn't get away vwith it. It is a big deal to Be accused of vandalism, i am a long standing editor and we have worked togetger a lot. --L.tak (talk) 09:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- I call your edit vandalism, because you speculated on the vote. Also, the sources showing what happened with the vote were there, but, you just replaced them with one of the two laws. Anyway, not such a huge deal, as you provided the Brussels info. But, please, don't speculate on vote results; it's better to leave the cells empty until we find out what happened, rather than fill them up with speculations that may be wrong, because future editors will notice the blanks and may be able to fill them up, but no one will ever remember your edit was just a speculation. :P You almost got away with it. Heracletus (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Linkrot
I'm generally too lazy to fill in the cite template... Same goes for edit summaries... Heracletus (talk) 00:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- You do understand that nobody pays me to do this... :P And that what you request is just something extra. Heracletus (talk) 03:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but I don't think it's so severe as to actually be able to do anything about it. :P And the cite template is not so easy to use, not to mention that reflinks fails on pdf's and other stuff... :P Heracletus (talk) 17:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Fiscal Compact
I did think of posting it as an IP, but, whatever: http://www.minbuza.nl/en/key-topics/treaties/search-the-treaty-database/2012/21/012705.html .Heracletus (talk) 20:43, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- verdragenbank copies statements from depositary I'd say; what's your point? (4. How up to date is the Treaty Database?
The content of the Treaty Database comes from Pacta, the internal treaty information system of the Treaties Division. Pacta is updated every day, and the new information is available in the Treaty Database after 8:00 the following morning. The most recent treaty information is always promptly integrated into the database. For this information the Treaties Division is dependent on written and/or electronic notifications supplied by the depositaries. This means that there will always be a delay between the adoption of a change, the communication of the new information by the depositary, and the moment when this information is accessible on the Treaty Database. From time to time, certain information does not reach the Treaties Division; nor is it accessible online. This can lead to more serious delays and, in the most extreme case, the absence of a piece of new information regarding a treaty.) L.tak (talk) 20:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- Well, the first point is that it supports TDL's opinion, even though I don't like it. At least, it's clear what the depositary thinks. The second point is that the provisional application column is empty, even for Title V. The third point is that nobody else looked for such a/this source.
- An unrelated point is that your reply follows a retarded format and had to look the history log to understand that you copied this 4. probably from the FAQ section and posted it to prove that it indeed follows the depositary.
- The final point is that although the depositary service is almost too stupid, I don't think there will be a source questioning them any time soon, so, let's use this one, even though it supports mostly the opposite of what I wrote for.
- Basically, my point is I found a source that shows what's the situation. It pretty much is against my arguments. But I thought I shouldn't just keep it hidden and keep arguing over the whole thing theoretically. Heracletus (talk) 22:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- However, on the other contentious issue of when Bulgaria signed up to the Unified Patent Court treaty, not only they follow the February 19, 2013 date which is not true, but they also completely fail by messing up and stating March 19, 2013 for Lithuania, probably because an employee picked the wrong month... which pretty much discredits them completely, but, ok... I really wonder some times if people are getting paid for doing this stuff... Heracletus (talk) 23:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry that you've been dragged into this, but I've started a discussion on WP:ANI to try and get Heracletus to calm down in which I mentioned you. TDL (talk) 03:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)