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Dan Savage bibliography

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• Featured list candidates/Dan Savage bibliography/archive1

Nominator(s): Cirt and The Rambling Man. — Cirt (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I was inspired to create this page after seeing George Orwell bibliography which was brought to FL quality by koavf. Prior to this nomination, the most recent quality improvement step for this page was a Peer Review with helpful participation from Joe Decker and koavf. Before that, it had survived an attempt at deletion with unanimous "Keep" participation aside from the nominator, and a prior peer review.

My thanks to The Rambling Man who helped mentor me through the quality improvement process for Dan Savage bibliography. — Cirt (talk) 12:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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• Note: I've listed The Rambling Man as co-nominator with me, as he helped mentor me through this particular quality improvement process for Dan Savage bibliography. Thanks again, — Cirt (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• Note: Cirt's involvement with this article does not violate his topic ban (assuming that hasn't been lifted wholesale... I don't really keep up to date with Arbcom's dealings) as he has received a dispensation. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, Crisco 1492, ArbCom passed that motion linked above, which specifically allows me to perform a quality improvement project to attempt to bring this page to WP:FL quality. Thanks Crisco 1492 for that link, — Cirt (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• No worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments by DragonZero

• Tentative support Refs are completely fine now. I don't have any remaining issues, but I agree with Bencherlite's judgement. When he supports the list, consider my support there too. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 01:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Bencherlite

Lead

• Not a great fan of the opening line: "The bibliography of Dan Savage includes six books and an edited compilation book, chapter contributions to eleven books, op-ed pieces in The New York Times, and an advice column on sexual issues in The Stranger written by the American author Dan Savage (b. 1964)." Which basically boils down to "The bibliography of Dan Savage includes stuff written by Dan Savage", which is circular and doesn't tell us what The Stranger is. Don't worry about having to have something there in bold. How about this as the first paragraph: "The American author Dan Savage (born 1964) has written six books, op-ed pieces in the New York Times, and an advice column on sexual issues in The Stranger (an alternative newspaper from Seattle, Washington). He began contributing a column, Savage Love, to The Stranger ..."
  • Comment - Agree with Bencherlite here. My own bibliographies (Kwee Tek Hoay, Chairil Anwar, and Amir Hamzah) use the style he suggests. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes, thank you, Crisco 1492, I've already modified this with the helpful suggestion, as recommended by Bencherlite, above. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
• Third paragraph of the lead: "Savage's 2005 book The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family recounting his personal experience deciding to marry his partner Terry Miller and analyzing same-sex marriage, reached The New York Times Best Seller list." needs a comma before "recounting".

Background:

• overlinking (Catholic, bachelor's degree, theater)
• Perhaps mention where The Stranger is based here
• The Kid: What Happened after " does not use the same capitals as our article about it (I think you need a capital "A" in "After" to avoid the redirect"

Works

• The Kid - as before, check capitals
• Overlinking galore throughout the rest of the lists(s). The NYT and The NYT Company are each linked over 15 times; repeated links for Dutton; Seattle; MTV; YouTube; Savage Love; etc etc etc etc. Useful links are just drowned in a sea of blue. If the lists were sortable, then there would be a reason for repeating the links, but I can't see why every article he's written for the NYT, for example, needs repeated bluelinks. Nor do I think we need "Savage, Dan" at the front of every one. Other featured bibliographies manage without this.
• Low value links e.g. three different links in the six words "Master of Communications in Digital Media", none of which are very useful.
• Watch for unnecessary repetition - in the "books edited" section, for instance, we read a lot of stuff for the third time (lead; background; books edited). That's one too many, I think - either in the background, or the books edited section, but not both.
• Television - what's referencing these appearances? Is there anything to be said about them?
• Plays - you sometimes link the original work, sometimes not.
• "was credited as: Keenan Hollahan" - why the colon?

Further reading

• Why so many other sources here? If they belong in his article, then fine, but this is a bibliography not a proxy-biography.

This is not a full review but I think there's still a lot to be done. Bencherlite 00:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Understood, thank you, Bencherlite, I will get on addressing above soon, and respond back here when done. — Cirt (talk) 01:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)