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| :The section is not neutral. First of all, cycling is one of the sports were doping is know to be most widespread, Armstrong is not the only one accused, and it is rather ridiculous to blame it on anti-Americanism. Secondly, he is known to be good friends with an Italian doctor who helped cyclists with doping, and he even humiliated an Italian cyclist in his last tour by not letting him escape from the crowd because that guy had publicly spoken out against the doctor. This was unique as a team leader would always send one of his mates to stop escape attempts of cyclists of other teams who pose no threat. ] 10:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC) | :The section is not neutral. First of all, cycling is one of the sports were doping is know to be most widespread, Armstrong is not the only one accused, and it is rather ridiculous to blame it on anti-Americanism. Secondly, he is known to be good friends with an Italian doctor who helped cyclists with doping, and he even humiliated an Italian cyclist in his last tour by not letting him escape from the crowd because that guy had publicly spoken out against the doctor. This was unique as a team leader would always send one of his mates to stop escape attempts of cyclists of other teams who pose no threat. ] 10:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :: I totally agree with you: this section is not neutral. Ragarding the whole article, we could add, around the title, a tag like "this article, written by LA's fan club, and sponsored by Nike and Sport Illustrated, is not neutral". Every people with common sense knows that this story of "he fought cancer and won seven Tour de France without any drug use helping" is nothing but a fairy tale. Everybody can trust it, but, personnaly, I don't believe in Santa since I'm 5 years old... By the way, Armstrong had never bring any action against those -including the French newspaper L'Equipe- who wrote he used doping treatment. To be more precise, it would be necessary to add at the "Reason for success" section, that he never won a major race (Milan-San Remo, Paris-Roubaix, Paris-Tours, Liège-Bastogne-Liège...) the same years he won the Tour de France. Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, for instances, did it. That is the hallmark of great champions: being able to existing without a team around and not winning nothing but the same stages race.] 11:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 13:16, 20 June 2006
- /Archive 1: creation of article - August 2005
- /Archive 2: August 2005 - November 2005
Stuff
Didn't see it mentioned, so I will: in the course of 6 TdF wins, Lance won 20 solo stages. (I heard that someplace or other...) Trekphiler 22:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
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refereing to the last comment - we do not eat s**t
Request for Comment
During a dispute over the content of the 'Allegations of drug use' section, an anonymous editor created a Lance Armstrong/proposal article in an attempt to settle the argument. The dispute has died down, but the 'proposal' article remains, and I'm not sure what to do about it. I have not tagged these two articles for merging yet because I want to hear other viewpoints first.
For purposes of this discussion, 'original entry' refers to Lance Armstrong and 'proposal' refers to Lance Armstrong/proposal.
Options:
- Delete the proposal without modifying the original entry at all.
- Rename the proposal as the main article and delete the original entry.
- Merge the two by making the 'allegations' section of the original entry into a new article named 'Allegations of drug use against Lance Armstrong', linking that article to the original entry, then moving the 'allegations' section of the proposal into the original entry as its new 'allegations' section.
- Merge the two articles in some other fashion.
- Start all over from scratch and delete the proposal completely.
I look forward to hearing your comments. Any and all suggestions are welcome. ddlamb 23:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- The article had 4 edits:
- 12 November 2005 Mike Selinker m (cleaning up Category:Cyclists)
- 7 September 2005 Gero (→Allegations of drug use)
- 26 August 2005 Warofdreams m (Lance Armstrong 2 moved to Lance Armstrong/proposal)
- 26 August 2005 69.231.50.25 (new proposed page)
Given the lack of recent activity, I would assume that any relevant material has been merged and nominate the 'proposal' article for deletion. There seems no justification for a breakaway article.--A Y Arktos 01:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- Actually I think the proposed artical looks better, however, I don't think that working it a seperate artical is going to work in this case...I'm not going to touch the controversy section myself (I can't spend all my time on wikipedia), but if you think that it's better then go for it... --T-rex 06:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
As suggested, I have merged the two 'Allegations of drug use' sections' and did not create a separate 'allegations of 2005' entry. Thanks everyone! - ddlamb 05:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
A study on Armstrong
Seeing how the entire "Reasons for success" section is unsourced, this might be a useful article: A study on Armstrong: Texas professor discusses cyclist's success Poulsen 16:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Allegations of drug use
"Armstrong is a somewhat controversial athlete in parts of Europe." Who was the Author? Armstrong Public Relation Inc.?? Maybe there is no evidence for drug use, but surely he is the most controversial athlete in the world! American Fan-Nonsense! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:87.193.2.200 May 12 2006
- Come on people, lets be honest here. Of course he doped himself. That explanation that he used ointment cream to treat a rash is just bull... this guy probably does everything he can do to enhance his performance in ways that are hard to detect. His cancer then, if he really has cancer and it is not just a marketing stunt, is probably the result of him injecting himself with everything he can think of.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Afmenguesd June 1 2006
- Nah, some Europeans are just pissed that they got owned by an American in their own event - especially one with cancer. Seven years in a row. Sweet.
- You're a real jerk, asserting that Armstrong's cancer was the result of a marketing stunt. I hope you get cancer.
- The section is not neutral. First of all, cycling is one of the sports were doping is know to be most widespread, Armstrong is not the only one accused, and it is rather ridiculous to blame it on anti-Americanism. Secondly, he is known to be good friends with an Italian doctor who helped cyclists with doping, and he even humiliated an Italian cyclist in his last tour by not letting him escape from the crowd because that guy had publicly spoken out against the doctor. This was unique as a team leader would always send one of his mates to stop escape attempts of cyclists of other teams who pose no threat. Añoranza 10:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I totally agree with you: this section is not neutral. Ragarding the whole article, we could add, around the title, a tag like "this article, written by LA's fan club, and sponsored by Nike and Sport Illustrated, is not neutral". Every people with common sense knows that this story of "he fought cancer and won seven Tour de France without any drug use helping" is nothing but a fairy tale. Everybody can trust it, but, personnaly, I don't believe in Santa since I'm 5 years old... By the way, Armstrong had never bring any action against those -including the French newspaper L'Equipe- who wrote he used doping treatment. To be more precise, it would be necessary to add at the "Reason for success" section, that he never won a major race (Milan-San Remo, Paris-Roubaix, Paris-Tours, Liège-Bastogne-Liège...) the same years he won the Tour de France. Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, for instances, did it. That is the hallmark of great champions: being able to existing without a team around and not winning nothing but the same stages race.Do Espirito 11:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)