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====Statement by Kafkasmurat==== ====Statement by Kafkasmurat====
Hey, i lost hope on Misplaced Pages with a 24 hour block: because of saying something at talk page. After that i tried to make minor adjustments while reading. Everything i did have trusted references. The user who complained about me, ], has hundreds of All of this users' edits are anti- Turkish editions. That's meaningful. I should remind that blocking or humiliating users don't prevent anything. Only break down the hope. Thanks for objective reviews.--] (]) 22:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


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    Ronz

    Both users officially notified of discretionary sanctions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Ronz

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Dmcq (talk) 20:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Ronz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate change#Standard discretionary sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Revision as of 17:34, 5 February 2014 Warnings and threats to others who have answered them, a repeat to focus on content and an attempt to divert the discussion from the topic of secondary sources.
    2. Revision as of 18:35, 31 January 2014 Gives a list of policies without being specific and says they have explained their position in the past. Will not give any specifics and threatens AE.
    3. Revision as of 18:10, 3 February 2014 Attempt to divert the discussion so no agreement is evident to something that they are already discussing elsewhere on the talk page.
    4. Revision as of 22:57, 12 February 2014 Yet again asking for sources when sources were provided in the first response with a diff pointing to the discussion.
    5. Revision as of 19:00, 14 February 2014 Unreasonable warning and accusation.
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    1. Warned on Revision as of 17:25, 12 February 2014 by Dmcq (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Latest revision as of 19:21, 14 February 2014 by NewsAndEventsGuy about summarizes the situation. Minor variations of objections keep being brought up and they require the whole business to be gone through without referring to the same thing before even with accurate pointers. And yet they will not give any accurate indication of their own objections just lists of whole policies without sections and not saying where they have explained themselves. They keep warning others to concentrate on the topic and warn about bringing them to here, yet they keep trying to divert discussions.

    @Sandstein: I guess I'm missing something. I thought the discretionary sanctions on those pages were supposed to be to stop disruptive conduct on them. What is the appropriate forum please to bring a complaint about someone who continually brings up the same sort of thing again and again in different discussion, quotes long lists of policies without explanation, threatens people, diverts discussion to things that are other discussion, doesn't acknowledge that they have read an acknowledged stuff very recently and asks for it again? Basically disruptive behaviour as NewsAndEventsGuy says? Or is there no such place and this is normal behaviour one must accept? I'm not expecting much to be done besides a formal warning from an administrator so they know they have been properly warned and something more can be done in the future if they continue on with it. Dmcq (talk) 23:26, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
    @Callanecc: The 6th AfD on the topic ended just last month and Ronz contributed to that Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming (6th nomination). I don't think it would be reasonable to renominate so soon. You can see his main contribution and reply to my enquiry about it at ]. Dmcq (talk) 11:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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    Statement by Ronz

    I'm having trouble identifying how the descriptions of the diffs actually describe what was going on, much less how addressing them is beneficial to Misplaced Pages.

    I disagree with Dmcq's interpretations of key areas of dispute with the article, and have found that trying to discuss them only brings out battleground responses (User_talk:Dmcq#CONLEVEL, User_talk:Dmcq#IDIDNTHEARTHAT). It seems that these disagreements are what are being brought here, just without the proper context. --Ronz (talk) 18:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Ronz

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    As submitted, this complaint seems to have no merit, and borders on the frivolous. The submitter doesn't explain how exactly these talk page messages are supposed to violate any conduct policy or guideline, and it is not apparent from looking at them how they might do so. Also, there's no diff of a warning meeting the requirements of WP:AC/DS#Warnings.  Sandstein  21:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

    Responding to Dmcq's second explanation, I have to agree with Sandstein. You still have not posted diffs or an explanation or justification for how what Ronz is doing is abusive, or violating our policies, or insulting people. He's perhaps obliquely threatening that the arbitration enforcement penalties are out there on the articles and can be used on troublemakers, but not to me evidently to abuse someone.
    In what way do you feel he has been abusive here? What, precisely, did he do wrong? Please explain. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    Looking at the history, including the discussions linked in this comment by NewsAndEventsGuy, suggests that conversations on this talk page go round in circles. My suggestion would be that if Ronz doesn't believe that the list is notable then an AFD or an RFC is order, once that's done everyone can drop the stick and move on. As to what we should do at AE, given that neither Ronz or Dmcq have been officially notified of discretionary sanctions that seems to be an appropriate thing to do. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    If there are no other comments in the next 24 hours or so I'll close with a discretionary sanctions notice to Ronz and Dmcq. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

    Yossiea

    Yossiea blocked for 24 hours (now expired) for breaching 1RR and notified of discretionary sanctions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:24, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Yossiea

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    IRISZOOM (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Yossiea (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBPIA
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 06:37, 17 February 2014 This is her first revert after removing the Gaza Strip as one of the territories being under occupation. Yossiea got reverted by Sepsis II and she responded with this revert. While this revert is little after the 24 hour period, it may still be seen as a revert but either way, the two reverts after is enough.
    2. 02:33, 18 February 2014 First revert in a 24 hour period.
    3. 06:56, 18 February 2014 Second revert in a 24 hour period.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I am astonished by Yossiea's actions. This is not what I would expect from a user who has edited so long, even less by someone who has rollback and reviewer rights.

    She removed the Gaza Strip from the list of territories being occupied. This was sourced with this by UN. While it is acceptable to make changes, it is not acceptable to trying to enforce your own view, and keep in mind she is not offering any sources and has been informed that many still see it as occupied, as she has done by constantly removing the Gaza Strip from the list and demanding that we discuss it. She wrote this in her first edit summary about this: "Removing Gaza Strip, regardless of what the UN says, there is no Israeli military occupation of the Strip, it could be stated that Hamas is occupying Gaza, but I guess we can't go there". In her second edit, she wrote this "No matter what, there is no military occupation of Gaza". Then she reverted another time. I reverted her saying "You need sources for that. Presenting your own opinion is not enough". She responded by saying "Please see Talk Page and discuss first. Evidence? Are you saying Israel didn't withdraw from Gaza????". This was already discussed in the talk page, including by me who had wrote there and offered a soloution. She wrote this in the talk page after her last revert: "It's not disputed, the Israeli military withdrew from Gaza". Is it this she mean with discuss? On 02:34, 18 February 2014, she went to Sepsis II's talk page and warned him for "disruptive editing".

    I am not 100% sure if this is covered by ARBIA. She was warned on 02:53, 18 February 2014 by Sepsis II on the article's talk page that "The section is also under 1RR which you have broken and may be blocked for, please revert per BRD rather than edit war". She wrote to him there two hours later so she must have seen it in that small section and Sepsis had put up an ARBIA header. She should not have reverted again on 06:56, 18 February 2014 and had the time to self-revert.

    Yossiea did also canvass by writing "At List of military occupations Gaza Strip is being inserted under the "current" section of military occupations even though Israel withdrew. You might want to take a look and add your comments" in Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Israel. --IRISZOOM (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

    How do you mean it is a violaton by Sepsis II? One revert was 03:14, 16 February 2014‎ and the other one 14:04, 17 February 2014‎.

    I do not think Sepsis II meant Yossiea was "clueless" but that he was for getting a warning by her for "disruptive editing". I was also clueless when I saw that. --IRISZOOM (talk) 08:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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    Yes.

    Discussion concerning Yossiea

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    Statement by Yossiea

    Statement by (username)

    Statement by Sepsis

    I'll try to use words like astounded and flabbergasted when I think of the baseless attacks by editors like Yossiea and Magog. Sepsis II (talk) 13:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

    Result concerning Yossiea

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    Collapsing previous comment, see below for version 2. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

    Ivan Štambuk

    Ivan Štambuk (talk · contribs) blocked for a week by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Ivan Štambuk

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Shokatz (talk) 21:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Ivan Štambuk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBMAC
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 16:35, 17 February 2014 He blatantly labels me a "nationalist" without any provocation for the first time.
    2. 01:22, 18 February 2014 Again labeling me a "Croatian nationalsit" after I warned him not to WP:CANVASS other users.
    3. 20:19, 17 February 2014 Yet again indirectly accusing me (and everyone else in that discussion) as "nationalists".
    4. 10:14, 19 February 2014 Even starts a new thread on WP:ANI again stating: I am getting overrun on this article by several Croatian nationalists.
    5. 19:20, 19 February 2014 And yet again, blatant ad hominem on WP:ANI. He states: But you are Croatian nationalists.
    6. 19:24, 19 February 2014 He claims to be a victim of coordinated attacks by nationalists who try to outnumber dissenters and yet again goes for a blatant ad hominem: You're a POV pusher that needs to be forbidden from editing this article.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The user in question was an instigator of a couple of content disputes, most notably on Ivan Gundulić. Now I wouldn't usually mind it nor the long tirades on the talk page but this user has shown such a blatant incivility and made so many ad hominem personal attacks towards me (and other users) that I no longer can ignore this. He crossed the line as far as I am concerned. He was warned for this before . I would also point out that he did a blatant attempt of WP:CANVASS here to a user recently topic-banned from Balkan related articles per WP:ARBMAC. Do note that I have also started a SPI as I believe he openly admitted to be a known sock-puppeteer PaxEquilibrium.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified here

    Discussion concerning Ivan Štambuk

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    Statement by Ivan Štambuk

    If you are insulted by being called a nationalist (it's not an insult) you should have said so. Though I personally find it very hard to believe. I didn't canvass anybody - the message I left at User:Slovenski Volk's talkpage was related to an entirely different topic. Sockpuppet investigation is a joke, I'm not PaxEquilibrium or PravdaRuss. These reports that you keep making against me are nothing but harassment. You're the one that should have ARBMAC enforced for POV-pushing in Balkans-related topics. My edits were all done with NPOV in mind, while you were the one who removed NPOV notice from ], and removed Serbian writer/language from the article. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

    • Whatever you may think, calling someone a "nationalist" is WP:PA and a violation of WP:CIVIL and since it is on Balkan-related articles, also under WP:ARBMAC. You have been warned by others not to do so as well . Now I find it hard to believe that your reply to User:Slovenski Volk was related "to a completely different topic" when you explicitly asked for help starting with: I keep running into conflicts with Croatian nationalists... while looking at your contrib page and seeing your main focus at that time was the article where you were discussing with me and other users. As for your accusations, you can see that my only edit during that whole incident was this. If you refer to my edit prior to asking for the lockdown of the page, I reverted both you and other users who were about to start an edit war with you...the page was restored to the version prior the conflict and locked by an admin. Shokatz (talk) 12:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by No such user

    So, we have another power trip by Sandstein, who took it upon himself to be God, Judge and Executor in AE matters. Blocking an experienced user for 7 days because he labeled another user 'nationalist' (which is a mere personal attack) using WP:ARBMAC as excuse is yet another misuse of powers. I think it is high time for the ARBCOM to thank Sandstein for his long-term abuse under the guise AE, preferrably by revoking his administrator privileges for good.

    Let me state that I don't have a beef in this dispute, and that I had my run-ins with Štambuk, who can be a pain in the ass and is quick to label others as nationalists and assume bad faith. Maybe he even deserved a short-term block. But that would be a block for personal attacks, not because he has done anything nearly approaching ARBMAC criteria. Except, of course, in interpretation, where "broadly construed" = "whatever springs Sandstein's mind at the moment". No such user (talk) 14:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Sean.hoyland

    No such user, I think you are mistaken. WP:ARBMAC is under discretionary sanctions so an uninvolved admin can block and close an AE report. "Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working on a page within the area of conflict (or for whom discretionary sanctions have otherwise been authorized) if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." Sean.hoyland - talk 14:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Result concerning Ivan Štambuk

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    • While calling others "nationalists" is not an insult, it is a derogatory statement about the person of another editor, in violation of WP:NPA's instruction to "comment on content, not on the contributor." Editors must at all times focus their discussion on the content of articles, not on the persons of others. Per WP:WIAPA, personal attacks do include "national ... epithets ... directed against another contributor" or "using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views". The request has merit. Because Ivan Štambuk's reply fails to reflect an understanding of this, I am blocking him for a week to prevent the recurrence of this conduct.  Sandstein  12:46, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

    Arbitration enforcement appeal by Ivan Štambuk

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    Appealing user
    Ivan Štambuk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
    Sanction being appealed
    Administrator imposing the sanction
    Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
    Notification of that administrator
    Sandstein was notified here by EdJohnston.

    Statement by Ivan Štambuk

    I have 45 modern English dictionaries installed for Abby Lingvo and not a single one has derogatory or offensive label next to the definition of the word nationalist. nationalist is not a national epithet either (that would be Croatian or Serbian). Croatian nationalist means "They have Croatian-centric view and I do not agree with it". I asked User:Shokatz where exactly does he see personal attacks but he ignored it. I'm troubled by the blocking admin not being a native speaker of English but German, and the negative connotations that the word nationalist (that also shares the root with Nazi) existing in German but not in English. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Sandstein

    The block was a response to personal attacks as described in my response to the enforcement request, above. WP:NPA, a core conduct policy, requires editors to not make comments about another editor's person, rather than about the content at issue. This prohibits editors from calling each other nationalists, or any other kind of -ists. This applies especially if editors do so, as Ivan Štambuk did here, in a dismissive and confrontative manner: it is clear from the wording and tone of Ivan Štambuk's comments, as cited in the enforcement request, that they used the appellation "nationalist" in a derogatory sense and certainly not as a compliment; and this was also how the term was understood by the editor at whom it was directed. Because this appeal indicates that Ivan Štambuk does not understand this, the block continues to serve the purpose of preventing similar interactions by Ivan Štambuk. The appeal should therefore be declined.  Sandstein  18:39, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Shokatz

    Since I was involved in this and the user specifically refers to me I will reply. You have repeatedly labelled me a "Croatian nationalist", while I have warned you (as have others) several times that such behavior is unproductive and personally insulting and derogatory, yet you have continued to do so even on WP:ANI. I consider it a blatant ad hominem personal attack, especially in the context and the manner in which you used it. Not only have you used "Croatian nationalist" you have also labelled me "POV-pusher" and similar other derogatory terms which clearly implies that you have meant it in a manner implying I am some extreme nationalist, impartial and unable of NPOV. If you really have 45 English dictionaries you should definitely know that the term nationalism is in modern-day context associated and synonymous with Chauvinism -> . If you really think that you haven't done anything wrong then you really need to re-read some of the Wiki policies such as WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Shokatz (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

    I'm familiar with Wiki policies on incivility and I always try to be civil in discussions. Your whole case on my alleged incivility builds upon the misguided interpretation of the term nationalism which is not derogatory in English language. None of the links provided define it as such. Yes it can be argued to be semantically close to chauvinism, but chauvinism is a pejorative term, nationalism isn't. There are many related terms which overlap semantically, one having pejorative connotations, other one being neutral. I've asked you where exactly do you see personal attack and you failed to respond. Ignoring Serbian POV on the article on Gundulić is POV-pushing regardless whether you perceive it as such or not. One week block is way to excessive for calling somebody a nationalist. Balkans-related talk page discussions abound in liberal usage of that word by multitude of involved editors, and no one ever felt hurt about it. What is even more appalling is the enforcing admin's inability to see the larger picture - i.e. you ignoring your fellow Croatians' provoking insults at me, while at the same time pushing for a POV in articles, and using completely unrelated policy to get me blocked. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
    Let me just state this and then I am done with this -> I am not going to discuss semantics with you, in fact I am not going to discuss anything with you since this is your appeal on the block and you should deal with that. Your issue now is with the admin who dealt with this case. I don't think it will help you in any way if you constantly try picking fights with me (even on your appeal...really?!?) and especially you implying that the admin in question is somehow involved in some grand conspiracy against you or even worse "pointing out" his or hers alleged "inability", quite the opposite. Shokatz (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
    I haven't implying anything, let alone any kind of "conspiracy" - you're imagining things. Just like you imagined that I am a sockpuppet of PaxEquilibrium/PrvadRuss which will prove false. Paranoia is BTW a common characteristic of nationalists who see fifth columns and domestic traitors in every corner.
    The only "fights" I have with you are on talkpage discussions on which you persistently push pro-Croatian POV, disregarding and belittling important Serbian sources. Of course I'm going to pick those fights with you - if I don't do it nobody will. It's a topic of minor importance - not like Ustashi or Croatian language which have high exposure - so normal editors don't care and nationalists can numerically overwhelm and push their POV into those little articles.
    Yes it's either inability or disregard. In any case blocking someone for a week for calling someone a nationalist, and doing it by invoking a policy (ARBMAC) that doesn't even deal with personal conduct is a joke. If blocking admin doesn't understand that then he shouldn't be an admin. ARBMAC also seems fundamentally broken - created by a decree to give godlike powers to admins in arbitrary topics, and arbitrarily expanded in "maintenance motions" (as one ArbCom member described it). It should be repelled because it's being abused by nationalist gangs who eagerly collect "evidence" to block rare NPOV editors such as me or User:Slovenski Volk who rather take time editing articles than waste it making enforcements, sockpuppet investigations and debates where interlocutors such as yourself simply dismiss sources because they are not Croatian (or whatever). I can't even blame Sandstein, he's probably acting in best faith and "keeping order", but this block is such a travesty. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 19:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by (involved editor 2)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Ivan Štambuk

    The use of the term nationalist as in the supplied diffs is indeed problematic, and continues even here in this appeal: "Paranoia is BTW a common characteristic of nationalists who see fifth columns and domestic traitors in every corner". This, clearly, is personalizing the dispute. Ivan was warned here that "Any comment that attributes bad motives to an editor or otherwise insults an editor is going to draw a block". I don't know how you could receive that warning and then expect to be able to say "The problem with nationalists such as yourself is that they believe that their own particular interpretation of history is the 'truth', and the rest is pseudoscience, nationalist quackery etc." However, I disagree with Sandstein's claim that any labeling of a group with an -ist term would be problematic. It was here, but it wouldn't necessarily be. Also, I agree that Sandstein's quote from WIAPA, "national ... epithets ... directed against another contributor", is not quite relevant: a later line from WIAPA is more to the point here: "Criticisms of, or references to, personal behavior in an inappropriate context, like on a policy or article talk page, or in an edit summary, rather than on a user page or conflict resolution page. Remember: Comment on content, not on the contributor." I don't have any problem with the term in general, but Ivan was grouping people together ("They have Croatian-centric view and I do not agree with it"), ascribing negative qualities/etc to them, and using that broad generalization in a discussion about content. Don't do that. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Result of the appeal by Ivan Štambuk

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    Kafkasmurat

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    Request concerning Kafkasmurat

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    EtienneDolet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Kafkasmurat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:AA2
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Kafkasmurat is a denier of the Armenian Genocide and displays a disruptive editing pattern that is overtly nationalist. Although the user is entitled to his opinions about 1915, he has nevertheless spilled his WP:POV all over Misplaced Pages articles.

    The user has a long history of disruption dating back to 2007. In his first three edits as a Wikipedian, the user blanked the entire Armenian Genocide article with an edit-summary that calls it an "unnecessary article" and has edit-warred over it bypassing the WP:3RR limit (DIFFS: ). Surprisingly, the user was only given a 3RR warning.

    After taking a break, the user has returned in December of 2013. He continued his disruption even after he receives a formal warning:

    Removes sourced information on the Armenian Genocide

    • 17 February 2014 Edit summary: "Controversial subjects with bad intentions"
    • 17 February 2014 Removes external link of Armenian Genocide on the Genocide article page with an edit-summary "Irrelevant Link..."

    Harassment and racist remarks:

    Copying and pasting information about genocide denial in numerous articles to make a WP:POINT:

    Misuse of sources to make a WP:POINT

    • 21 February 2013 Complete misuse of source. Adds that Soghomon Tehlirian was 'a terrorist in public opinion' even though the source makes no such conclusion. In the talk page of the corresponding article, Kafkasmurat repeatedly says, "When did terrorists become assasins?" and "How can you make a hero from a psychopath?" (DIFF: ). Clearly, this recent edit was guided by his personal convictions. The source itself is highly questionable since it appears to be an essay of an undergraduate student given to his professor as a class assignment. To top it all off, there is no edit-summary to the edit. P.S. The FORUM-like edits on the talkpage were removed by Drmies with an edit-summary by him stating "language not really appropriate for talk pages of articles". If this language is innapropiate for talk pages, I can safely assume it is inappropriate for articles as well.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 23 December 2013 by Drmies (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The disruption the user has caused the past month is considerable. Although he has already been blocked for his conduct, he continues to disrupt Misplaced Pages extensively. Most of his edits are driven by his own personal opinions and often times fall contrary to the general consensus Misplaced Pages has instilled. I propose that Kafkasmurat be banned from all topics related to Armenia and Turkey.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning Kafkasmurat

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    Statement by Kafkasmurat

    Hey, i lost hope on Misplaced Pages with a 24 hour block: because of saying something at talk page. After that i tried to make minor adjustments while reading. Everything i did have trusted references. The user who complained about me, Étienne Dolet, has hundreds of black propaganda edits. All of this users' edits are anti- Turkish editions. That's meaningful. I should remind that blocking or humiliating users don't prevent anything. Only break down the hope. Thanks for objective reviews.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Kafkasmurat

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    "Sanction or remedy to be enforced" just links to the arbcom case, I'm assuming Misplaced Pages:AA2#Standard_discretionary_sanctions is meant. I'm not seeing much of anything recent in these diffs; i.e., since the warning in December. Maybe the "You always contribute anti-Turkish additions" line, but I'm not sure there's anything we can act on here in this forum. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 22:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)