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Authentic Matthew

Saw your post on the Jesus talk page. I am not a scholar, but I follow most of the same Bible pages as yourself (I'm sure we've spoken/tangled once or twice on Talk pages) so even if/though you think I'm an idiot, if you ever need anyone to come in and take a look as a "referee" with a similar Wiki background to work from, I'd be happy to. I reviewed the thread you linked and aware of all the players - and somewhat surprised to see both the return of User:Ret.Prof and that he is the one spearheading this. Have a happy New Year! Yours - Ckruschke (talk) 18:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke

Thanks for your offer. However, right now I am trying to get away from Authentic Matthew and focus on the Oral Gospel tradition. You would be a welcome addition. You are no idiot! You are a respected Misplaced Pages editor! - Ret.Prof (talk) 19:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Ckruschke many thanks, yours is a User name I view with confidence. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I think... ;-). Ckruschke (talk) 02:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)Ckruschke

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LFaraone 04:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Joseph O'Donnell

I see that the Joseph O'Donnell page was changed to Joseph O'Donnell Sr., his father (16 Sept 2013 edit). Also, the original Joseph O'Donnell data was added to Enrique José O'Donnell, Conde de La Bisbal. I'm sure that you didn't intend to mix two people up, but the Joseph (or José) who fought at Battle of Zujar and Battle of Castalla (1812) was the brother of the Count of La Bisbal, commonly referred to in English-language sources as Henry. Please see Charles Oman's History of the Peninsular War: Volume IV and look in the index. There is Charles, Joseph and Henry (or Enrique José if you prefer). Henry fought at the Battle of La Bisbal and the Battle of Vich. Actually most of Henry's fighting is told in Oman's Volume III. In Oman's Volume V on page 567 is this note, "he entirely lacked the fiery determination of his brother Henry, the hero of La Bispal." Oman Vol. V page 567 Unless you can convince me that Oman is wrong, I plan to create a new page for Joseph O'Donnell different from his father's page. I know the feeling, because I've gotten Gabriel Venance Rey, Louis Emmanuel Rey and Jean-Pierre-Antoine Rey crossed up at one time or other. The last two were brothers who were generals in Spain at the same time and the sources unhelpfully just say "Rey". Djmaschek (talk) 05:27, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

• Check out this page: Familia de Héroes. It shows brothers Enrique José (1769-1834), José (1768-1836) and Carlos (1772-1830). Djmaschek (talk) 07:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Djmaschek, well spotted. Looking at the Spanish sources I think you are correct. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Google Ngrams help needed

Hi IIO. I've seen you're very au fait with Google Ngrams and Google Books and I'm trying to pull together Ngram stats for the discussion at Talk:Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope#Requested_move. As you can see from this link using the colon renders the results useless. Any ideas? Thanks. Zarcadia (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Zarcadia, sorry have tried a couple of things but got nowhere. No idea. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for having a look. Zarcadia (talk) 07:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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Listen to My Heart

Hello IIO. I closed the discussion at Talk:Listen to My Heart#Requested move. Can you check that article (which is now a DAB) to see if it looks right? I have not yet begun to check for incoming links that need to be updated. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, done. Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 12:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Chasing Shadows

Can you please take a look at Chasing Shadows and see what you think? I have a feeling you might be able to help clean that up. In particular, some of those entries are probably duplicates. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Done, caught a few In ictu oculi (talk) 12:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Edition needed for Ai Chau Article

Tana Li doesnt mention anything about champa and in "Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu" also doesnt mention anything about Ai Chau was populated by any Cham People. Ai Chau was one of Cửu Chân District during Chinese Dominiton. The truth is Dương Tiến Lục lead an attack by the local or native people of Ai Chau and Hoan Chau and planned to betray Lê Hoàn, they were Viet , not other race(archaeology evidences presented)In Dai Viet Sử ký toàn thư and Khâm Định Việt Sử Thông giám Cương Mục wrote : " Dương Tiến Lộc lấy hai Châu Hoan, Ái làm phản. Vua thân đi đánh, Tiến Lộc bị giết.Bấy giờ vua sai viên Quảng Giáp là Tiến Lộc đi thu thuế hai châu Hoan và Ái, Tiến Lộc đem người hai châu ấy XIN THEO VỀ VỚI CHIÊM THÀNH. CHIÊM THÀNH KHÔNG NHẬN. Vua nghe tin, đem các quân đến đánh Châu Hoan, Châu Ái, đuổi bắt được Tiến Lộc và giết người 2 châu ấy không biết bao nhiêu mà kể." Read the history book carefully before making any changes. I will have to remove the wrong line and fake edition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiraki (talk • contribs) 09:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Coincidental only with Cham battles' yes. added full source In ictu oculi (talk) 04:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nicol Sponberg

The article Nicol Sponberg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable musician. See WP:MUSICBIO Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Well it hasn't been, there is no tag, and there shouldn't be. Reply to User on User's Talk page here. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

User withdrew prod. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Regarding non-English article titles

Well here's the thing, in 2011, I got into trouble for doing a mass-move of changing article titles using its native capitalization (discussion of that can be found here, which I'm still ashamed of). I'm not saying your wrong, but rather where I'm coming from. I mean no offense on the talk page. Erick (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:John Brent (comedian)

The article John Brent (comedian) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial coverage. References are trivial at best. Fails WP:BIO and article fails to meet WP:42. reddogsix (talk) 16:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Referred to article talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

George Perkins (singer)

Hi: according to this site: http://blog.ponderosastomp.com/2013/05/rip-george-perkins-1942-2013-soul-giant-behind-cryin-in-the-streets-remembered-by-jeff-hannusch/

Mr. Perkins is no longer living. Is this a good enough source to cite to justify adding a death date and category, etc.? I have not been able to find much else beyond a local La. obituary (linked in the above article). Please let me know what you think. Thanks--FeanorStar7 01:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

User:FeanorStar7 yes, the obituary is by Jeff Hannusch, books on Amazon and a reliable music writer. I have added it, thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Come On Come On (song)

Hello IIO. Recently I closed your RM at Talk:Come On Come On (Little Birdy song). My assumption is that, now that the article is disambiguated with the name of the group, the original page at Come On Come On (song) (now a redirect to the Little Birdy song) should be pointed to Come On Come On (disambiguation). I'll leave that to the discretion of others, since it doesn't need an admin and the move close doesn't necessarily determine what to do about it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:24, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

corrupted text

Hi, You added some corrupted text to Friedrich Nicolaus Bruhns, in a fn. Could you fix please? Thnx, — kwami (talk) 01:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

4 corrupted characters in a 6,000k article creation. It happens. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:05, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Wiping out half

Hello, I'm Lova Falk. I noticed that you recently removed lots and lots of content from Posttraumatic stress disorder without explaining why. I guess this was a mistake, and I restored the removed content. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Lova Falk talk 08:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - Yes, I didn't mean to wipe the PSTD article, was making a minor hatnote edit, connectivity problem did the rest. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:51, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Article title

Hi, you moved Child of the Universe to Child of the Universe (Delta Goodrem album) as opposed to Child of the Universe (album). Why is this, considering there are no albums that share this title? Thanks Melonkelon (talk) 04:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Because of the Barclay James Harvest compilation album, although I note that there is also a reggae album by Screwdriver (musician). In ictu oculi (talk) 05:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Blackwater Park

Hello. Another editor has started a discussion at Talk:Blackwater Park (album)#Requested move regarding your move of Blackwater Park to Blackwater Park (album). Please join in the discussion. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Embrace (2014 album) and Embrace (1987 album)

Is this sort of disamugation necessary? It's very complicated and unnecessary, in my opinion. What's wrong with the simpler one we had before? It worked well for David Bowie's two eponymous albums, why couldn't it work here? I don't think i'll ever meet someone who would be bothered to type in "Embrace (Embrace (English band) album)" into the search engine, honestly. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 19:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, well no one will ever type in any ( ) dab, and Google copes with that. I have come across it before and that is the model of how it is done, there are other examples Bleach (Bleach (American band) album) vs Bleach (Bleach (Japanese band) album). The reason Bowie works is that is two albums by the same artist, this isn't. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:38, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I've put in a RM at Talk:Bleach (album), let's find out whether that ( ( ) ) style really is the norm or not. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Julián Velásquez

Hi. I saw that you moved Julian Velásquez to Julián Velásquez and I was wondering on what basis you made that change. Could you let me know? Canadian Paul 23:01, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

That's just how Julián is spelled in Spanish. check Google Books In ictu oculi (talk) 00:39, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Alrighty, seems reasonable. Thanks for the response. Canadian Paul 00:49, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

RM: The Martyr

Hi, possibly we had a misunderstanding at this RM. I differentiated between a web search, which favoured rap album related results, and the book search, which returned several unrelated books until you added additional specific terms. Hopefully it's now clearer what I was trying to say. I support the move regardless, cheers. benmoore 21:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Latin American music

Hey there! I did some changes to Latin American music last month to include the definition provided by sources. What do you think? Erick (talk) 01:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Blanking articles

I didn't blank those pages, I redirected both to their parent album article, Playing the Angel. WP:NSONGS states, "Songs that do not rise to notability for an independent article should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song." SnapSnap 19:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Replied on User talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:22, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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Otomo Yoshihide

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Wieno (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Move of Sovereign (album)‎‎

I'm not sure I understand your logic here: "created out of a redirect, but 5 other albums in articles on dab". I only one notable album at Sovereign (disambiguation) and that's the one that has an article. I see one EP. It was correctly moved this past July from Sovereign (album) to Sovereign (EP). The only think that I think is needed is a hatnote on the new album that either points back to the dab or to the EP. If a move is to happen again, I would also suggest a discussion on the album's talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you not talk before you damage Misplaced Pages? Move it back and talk now please. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

02:46 - 02:47 is less than 1 minute. It generally isn't a good idea to insert/create a new article out of a redirect to existing content, particularly when there's a WP:CRYSTALBALL element. But no problem, I happily moved it back, despite the other 5 Sovereign albums in articles, and Google Books. You may wish to be more sparing with personal attack and insult language like "damage". In ictu oculi (talk) 03:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Formal mediation on Gospel of Matthew - draft request

On my Talk page you'll find a draft of a request for formal mediation on Gospel of Matthew and its sister, Hebrew Gospel hypothesis. The idea is that Ret.Prof will file the request for mediation, and it will take as its cause or whatever the phrase is a reversion I did of one of his edits regarding authentic Matthew. RetProf, Ignocrates and I have worked at this (an Davidbena has seen it because he thinks like RetProf), and we'd now like you to see and comment before RetProf drops it in the mailbox.

The idea is that we're doing this nice - everyone agrees, and the aim is to test, through mediation, whether authentic Matthew needs to be more fully explored in the GoM article. The draft will explain. PiCo (talk) 05:03, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Mediation

For the record, I believe it would be in everybody's best interests if someone were to review the guidelines for formal and informal mediation, particularly regarding what content in mediation can and cannot be considered at proposals for topic bans or arbitration. I believe that there is rather obvious, in fact almost overwhelming, evidence that Ret. Prof. is more or less a devoted SPA POV pusher regarding the "Jewishness" of early Christianity, and I very much believe that would likely be taken into account at such proceedings. I also believe that it would be in everybody's best interests if any clear misconduct which might take place in mediation should be available for consideration in arbitration or noticeboard discussion, should, as I think likely, problematic conduct continue. John Carter (talk) 18:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

User:John Carter, thank you for having momentarily put a head up from retirement. From the little I understood of the Ebionites issue (which I again apologize for not watching, a lapse of responsibility) I don't have confidence that the process is going to result in articles having more of a scholarly/SBL/JPS WP:RS approach. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:56, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

No apologies necessary. I also believe that the mediation may well be ultimately fruitless, and on that basis suggest that if some variety of official mediation were to take place, it wouldbe in everybody's best interests that any questionable conduct during mediation be available for review by administrators orarbitrators. John Carter (talk) 02:14, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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User:BDD, that's okay, I have no opinion, do as you think best. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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So, are you participating in mediation or what? We have been waiting for you to join. Ignocrates (talk) 04:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't really understand what the mediation process is or how it works or what it can expect to achieve. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Here is a link to the Mediation Policy which explains the mediation process. Let me know if you have any other questions. Sunray (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to make any unwarranted assumptions, but you have to "Agree" to mediation on the mediation page if you intend to participate. Ignocrates (talk) 01:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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idoling

thanks for that much of your own time~ its not my thing at all, but ive taken it upon myself to send a message that these articles need attention & editors here've been abusing the lack of critical review & language barrier! i'm embroiled with a related subject at dyk if you already didnt noticed~ kampai Japanglish (talk) 16:27, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Okinawan folk music

Is there an article on Ryukyu minyo? I see that there is an article on Minyo. My source says that Misako Oshiro owns the top Okinawan minyo joint Shimaumui, a basement bar. Taiko drums and sanshin are used. Candleabracadabra (talk) 05:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, User:Candleabracadabra only Ryukyuan music. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Block evasion

Don't know, but I prefer to use a different approach. Now semi-protected. Deb (talk) 08:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes - I often wish I wasn't! See Talk:BeerXML. Deb (talk) 08:36, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Fencer

Hi. Thanks for the info. Looking back at the edit history, there appears to have been a copy-and-paste move (with no source on the acent). I'll request a speedy delete of the redirect and move to the correct title. Thanks for spotting it and sourcing the article too! Lugnuts 19:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Jenő

Didn't you request a technical move recently involving this name? For the corresponding Russian name there is a page called Yevgeni listing people who have that as a given name. Jenő just redirects to Jenő (village). Is that the best use of this article name? Should there be something like a DAB page? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ed. I did indeed, somehow the original name stub I made got erased. Never mind I have remade a better one, thanks for the notification, cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I could be the deleter of the previous DAB. Oops! Thanks for your work. EdJohnston (talk) 17:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Manchester capitalism#Requested move

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Re: Iaaasi

I think this investigation is meaningless as this sockpuppet returns again and again. :( His favourite topics, among others, John Hunyadi, Magyarization, 1848-1849 massacres in Transylvania, Romania in the Middle Ages and he usually checks Hungarian editors' activity. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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House of Gundulic/Gondola

Apparently user DIREKTOR does not like we list the secondary sources, we should rather operated by Google research. Fine, but why removing our edits from the Talk page? --Silvio1973 (talk) 12:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

4th century heresies

For many of those groups, I think it worth noting that even Bart Ehrman in his Lost Christianities said with only a very few exceptions, and I think the only one he names is 1 Clement (no idea why the Shepherd of Hermas wasn't also included), they were all forgeries written well after their purported time. The better recent sources for material on this topic would be the Schneemelcher/Henneke New Testament Apocrypha, which is kind of exhaustive on matters like this, and Ehrman's Lost Christianities, when supplying overview material. There is a comparatively recent book, Bad Religion by Ross Douthat, which provides some reasonable criticism, at least coming close to saying that some of the work of Ehrman, Pagels, and a few others, may be at least as motivated by their own changed views as those of, say, Jesuit scholars is. And, FWIW, having known a few Jesuit scholars, I wonder exactly how it is that they hadn't been excommunicated for their beliefs which radically divert from Catholic doctrine, so I guess I could say, in some instances, at least some of them might be more "independent" than Ehrman, Pagels, and the like.

One of the big areas of difficulty I see about the topic of Christianity as I see it is that it is so freaking huge, covered to such an incredible degree in staggering numbers of reliable sources, that it is hard, if not impossible, to really make many of the articles about major Christian topics of decent quality. The best way I can think of to address that is, basically, what I am kind of getting ready to do now, find as many good, reputable PD sources as I can for inclusion in commons or wikisource, as many well-regarded recent reference books as I can in various libraries, and list their content. Maybe, once all that is done, if it ever is, we might be able to get more of our content up to a reasonable level. John Carter (talk) 20:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Vietnamese letter Đ

I've just discovered that a significant number of Vietnamese names have been entered using Ð (Unicode letter eth) instead of the identical-looking Đ (Unicode D with stroke). Examples in article titles are Ðỗ Mậu, Ngô Ðình Nhu, Hà Ðông, Ðông Pháp Thời Báo, Ðoàn Thị Ðiểm; there are many other uses within other articles. I'll put in move requests for the main ones. Just something to be aware of. Colonies Chris (talk) 11:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's a good catch. These moves look like a good idea. Has this happened in the bodies of articles too? bobrayner (talk) 11:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there are cases within articles too. I'm in the process of searching for them now. Searching for any of the names listed above will show some results. (I've just renamed two of them - for the others I've requested admin assistance.) Colonies Chris (talk) 11:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks User:Colonies Chris, good catch, good work. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Emperor Jimmu

Hey Iio, Ajax replied to you a little while ago. MOS-JA supports the move. 182.249.240.3 (talk) 11:07, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: Necrothesp's nose

"Nose" was the most polite orifice I could think of. I could have said "mouth", but his opposition coming out of his mouth is literally the case and so the metaphor would have lost all meaning. His reasons last time were just as much pulled out of nowhere, in my opinion. He just said "this subject has long been known" without citing any evidence. Another user independently gave NGrams that showed reprints of old books from the early 20th century favour the "mm" spelling, but as I have clearly demonstrated on the current RM modern reliable sources both from the relevant governmental bodies and from universities prefer the "nm" spelling. Necrothesp also insulted me on the last RM, insinuating that I actually don't know what I'm talking about, and he clearly remembers it because he referred directly to said previous RM. How about you ask him to apologize for the arrogance of the self-proclaimed "expert" and once he does that I'll apologize for my nose comment. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Mmm. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey Iio, I apologized to Necrothesp for the nose comment, despite him doubling down on his earlier comment. Anyway, I noticed you stated you would support the move if both spellings were demonstrated that both were established. At the time you posted that, maybe we hadn't done so, but certainly have now. The Japanese government and universities' English publications favour the "Jinmu" spelling 3:1. Recent books written by specialists in the area also favour "Jinmu". Books using the "Jimmu" spelling, on the other hand, seem to be primarily getting their information (or at least spelling style) from Misplaced Pages. 182.249.54.65 (talk) 09:28, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I see that. But I think it can stay at the old spelling with no great damage - or tighten JPMOS, which is another discussion, for all WPJapan editors. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I plan on doing just that once the RM closes (it would obviously be totally inappropriate right now). WPJAPAN editors would almost universally interpret the current wording to say "use Jinmu", but MOS guidelines probably shouldn't need to be "interpreted". I assume you agree with me that we also shouldn't be saying "use Google"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.249.240.8 (talk) 10:31, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Well yes I generally think benchmark to modern academic sources (eg use Google Books) and build into MOS guidelines with broad input for any MOS issue. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:36, 23 February 2014 (UTC)